Shocking ****** attack on Calzaghe in the Sun - he pulls no punches!

[Decebal]

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This thing is going to get much nastier before it gets better.:-(

[FLINT ISLAND]

while I shed no tears for ****** and I wont be up at night crying myself to sleep for his "mistreatment" - he makes some valid points.

Roy Jones is shot - common knowledge.

Roy Jones of today is not worth 50/50 split - good point.

Money is now Joes Master - Too true.

His greed has allowed him to close out his career on a sour note.

He would have been better off just seeing out his career with ******.

[Diablo]

Some interesting points - but only one side of the story.

I dont understand why Joe agreed to the 50/50 split, Jones would never have accepted that when he was "the man".

Although without promoters taking a slice he must be doing very well out of it.

[T.C.W]

****** made money out of Joe, If I was joe I would say Why did Terry Marsh try to Kill you Frank, what he did it for the hell of it, Just tell the world ****** is a promoter I'm the fighter we had a deal it ended, I just went else where and there was more money.

[T.C.W]

Some interesting points - but only one side of the story.

I dont understand why Joe agreed to the 50/50 split, Jones would never have accepted that when he was "the man".

Although without promoters taking a slice he must be doing very well out of it.THey will spit the PPV slice in USA and England. say the fight does 400 000 in the usa and 150 000 in england. They will get amount per PPV sold and it will be huge amounts of money, ****** is just shitty because he see where big time boxing is going and he is getting left out of the loop.

[scurlaruntings]

This means nothing. Just more bitter girlfriend talk from ******. Wether he speaks the truth is immaterial. Every fighter who`s worth something to him that leaves falls out with the man. He beats the same old drum and now actually expects sympathy?

[widdy]

he's the same with hatton,always badmouthing fighters who have left him,he made a lot of dosh of hatton and calzaghe while they were with him,he should be gratefull not the sour faced twat he has become.
you watch when khan leaves him he will say khan was shit,and it was him and his family who did all the hype and he had no say in it

[Decebal]

Yap.

[Jimbo]

"As Joe’s manager, I was entitled to take a percentage of his purses but never took sixpence from him, barring the second Veit fight, which was on another promoter’s show."

:think :boohoo:lol:

[kel]

Can't believe people are saying RJJ is lucky to get a 50/50 split, FFS I like Joe but i have mates in Australia who have never heard of him, yet they have all heard of RJJ. Further to that, as some yank in the general forum alluded 2, some people (general public) don't even remember Roy being ironed out twice in 2004.

******'s a germ and Calzaghe is trying to get the best deal he can before retirement...... is that so wrong??

[icemax]

Why did Terry Marsh try to Kill you Frank.

Terry Marsh didn't try to kill ******...a british court of law came to that conclusion and to suggest otherwise is slanderous to Marsh. Any animosity between Marsh and ****** is down to ****** keeping an adverse medical report from Marsh and has nothing whatsoevr to do with money as far as I am aware.

[scurlaruntings]

Can't believe people are saying RJJ is lucky to get a 50/50 split, FFS I like Joe but i have mates in Australia who have never heard of him, yet they have all heard of RJJ. Further to that, as some yank in the general forum alluded 2, some people (general public) don't even remember Roy being ironed out twice in 2004.

******'s a germ and Calzaghe is trying to get the best deal he can before retirement...... is that so wrong??It takes a snake to recognise another snake. There both from the same cloth. ****** now has been relegated to a small hall show promoter now that Khan has been exposed and the rest of his name fighters have gone. He`s bitter alright.

[D-MAC]

What a fucking bullshit article.

You would think it had been written by Mother Theresa rather than Frank ******:

"Over the years, I helped Joe with personal problems, gave him gifts and genuinely believed we had become friends":lol: :lol: :lol: More fool you, ya fish-eyed cunt ya.

I especially liked the story about Joe not turning up for the kids TV programme, and how good old Uncle Frank had to clear things up. I can just imagine Frank crying at this part of the article, thinking about those poor children that had been let down by the nasty Welsh boxer fella.:D

Frank ****** = Value for money; the article was an entertaining read, even if it was bullshit.

[Decebal]

What a fucking bullshit article.

You would think it had been written by Mother Theresa rather than Frank ******:

"Over the years, I helped Joe with personal problems, gave him gifts and genuinely believed we had become friends":lol: :lol: :lol: More fool you, ya fish-eyed cunt ya.

I especially liked the story about Joe not turning up for the kids TV programme, and how good old Uncle Frank had to clear things up. I can just imagine Frank crying at this part of the article, thinking about those poor children that had been let down by the nasty Welsh boxer fella.:D

Frank ****** = Value for money; the article was an entertaining read, even if it was bullshit.

:lol::good

[warrior85]

its only shocking if you've never read a frank ****** article before.

[rooq]

THey will spit the PPV slice in USA and England. say the fight does 400 000 in the usa and 150 000 in england. They will get amount per PPV sold and it will be huge amounts of money, ****** is just shitty because he see where big time boxing is going and he is getting left out of the loop.

its not ppv in england. its just available on subscription channel setanta sports

[Ilesey]

As far as I am concerned this is just the same old bitter ****** that we have always seen.

Fuck that boggle eyed cunt.

[FLINT ISLAND]

For me Calzaghe is souless these days

Going through the motions

Saying the right PR things for the media

All he wants is to just bag cash

[seconds out]

wouldnt call it shocking, its what i thought he would come out with in the end.

whoever said they are both as bad as eachother is right.

im going to the fight and I want Roy to win, just like him more than calzaghe.

loved the interview : " come on many how could u not be excited about this 45 and 0 FORTY FIVE AND 0 and im 39 and if i pull that off,..come on man " with a big cheeky smile

love it if he can pull it off

[KCD]

Finally the big time promoters are getting their comupence by the guys who are actually doing the fighting.

Most fighters now seem to have alot more control over their careers, and this is a good thing, no more Fwank ****** types keeping certain fighters away from other certain fighters so they can cash in on them for their own profit.

[LiamE]

I just love the way ****** sees it as he is paying the fighters not the fighters are earning the money for him.

[FLINT ISLAND]

I just love the way ****** sees it as he is paying the fighters not the fighters are earning the money for him.

Thing is he has to make the investment at the start and risks losing alot

Calzaghe had to be build up

Calzaghe earned ****** a shed load

But ****** had to invest alot first

Same with Hatton

Same with Hamed

I'm not defending ****** - I'm just being fair minded

He has to make a risk to invest in certain fighters

He "bought" Enzo Macca the chance to fight for the Undisputed Crusierweight title - by paying David Haye a fortune - it didnt pay off

****** is a cunt

But he is a good businessman

[KCD]

I just love the way ****** sees it as he is paying the fighters not the fighters are earning the money for him.


Exactly my friend.

[cjgloves]

I don't really like ******, however he is good at bringing talent throught the ranks.
JC on the other hand the more i see of him, he tells different storys everytime, i think he lies alot too. I think some parts of the ****** article are true and some is BS like alot of the stuff he says.

[cjgloves]

Thing is he has to make the investment at the start and risks losing alot

Calzaghe had to be build up

Calzaghe earned ****** a shed load

But ****** had to invest alot first

Same with Hatton

Same with Hamed

I'm not defending ****** - I'm just being fair minded

He has to make a risk to invest in certain fighters

He "bought" Enzo Macca the chance to fight for the Undisputed Crusierweight title - by paying David Haye a fortune - it didnt pay off

****** is a cunt

But he is a good businessman

The bottom two lines:good

[Dibbs]

It's the same story, anyone who leaves SN gets verbally attacked, Hatton left ages ago, still gets attacked by ******, now Calzaghe.

Frank ****** just comes across as extremely bitter, it's not all doom and gloom Frank, you still have Amir Kahn, and somewhere out there is a feather fisted SFW just waiting to be matched up.

Remember to pay attention to the KO% though, it could be vital....:D

[cityofgod]

He and Fwank are cut from the same turd. :hi:

It was a convenient marriage if you ask me... Joe only wanted soft-touches and Wazza happily serving them up.


:lol:

[Chinny]

He couldn't pay the mortgage when he started with Frank. Thats because he was a young lad. And he'd been with Mickey Duff

****** probably seemed like the million dollar man compared to Mickey Duff

[scrap]

Ill tell you about ******, I spent with my Fighters 10 years in World Euro, and British Title Fights working with the Man. Never once did He break His Word. Any Fighter needed Help with Money Frank Helped many times with more than there next Purse, Loosing thousands. Never took His cut from there wages and always gave you a choice. We dont talk now, but my memory is of a fair Man.

[kosaros]

Ill tell you about ******, I spent with my Fighters 10 years in World Euro, and British Title Fights working with the Man. Never once did He break His Word. Any Fighter needed Help with Money Frank Helped many times with more than there next Purse, Loosing thousands. Never took His cut from there wages and always gave you a choice. We dont talk now, but my memory is of a fair Man.

Who are you scrap? Just curious thats all ;)

[girv]

Who are you scrap? Just curious thats all ;)

I was wondering that too.

Reading through Scraps posts he mentioned a while ago that he owns a Lonsdale belt!

[scrap]

dinasour

[girv]

dinasour

:D

When did you win your belt mate?

[Dunky McCafferty]

JC on the other hand the more i see of him, he tells different storys everytime, i think he lies alot too.

Joe talks shit, & lies through his teeth. & thats a fact. Its a known fact that he said in his book that RJJ was shot, as everyone knows Joe has since backtracked.

HOWEVER.

My favourite Joe Calzaghe lie was when he got the dodgy win over Byron Mitchell, remember that fight? Yup, the fight when Mitchell rocked joe to his boots, Joe came back & floored Mitchell, & then Dave Parris stopped the fight cos Joe told him to!!! Mitchell hadnt even tken a clean shot, he fell off balance, joe gestured to the ref & Parris stopped the fight:patsch

After the fight, a certain american interviewr(I forget his name) cornered Joe about him telling the hometown ref to stop the fight & Joe replied "I DONT REMEMBER DOING THAT!"
The interviewer just laughed at him, it was such a blatant lie from the welsh italian, or should that be the italian welshman?

he lies about everything, all the time. Hes a great british fighter, I dont deny that. But hes one bullshitter too.

This cannot be denied.
Oh, & if anyone is wondering what interview I am talking about, its the HBO one. Post fight. find it, watch it, and cringe at Calzaghe pretending he had a sudden loss of memory!

[scrap]

I Havent won any, the Boys Ive trained have won Eight

[robpalmer135]

****** takes advantage of his sun column to to make out his fighters our all amazing and calzaghe, hatton and haye our shit to the average sport fan that doesnt follow much boxing.

****** is a small hall promoter now.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think ****** is embarrassing himself now

[icemax]

I think ****** is embarrassing himself now

And of course we will all sit back and enjoy watching him do it. :hey :yep

[Beeston Brawler]

I think a couple of points are valid, whilst others are debatable

But.......

To blow smoke up a guy's ass for the past God knows how long, then do a complete about-turn and start rubbishing him is rather stupid

I think Calzaghe could have achieved more in his career, but it cannot be said that ****** is blameless - after all, Hatton achieved more post-****** and it could be said that Hamed did as well.

[girv]

I Havent won any, the Boys Ive trained have won Eight

Oh okay I must of picked up one of your posts wrong.

8 is a pretty good haul, any more clues? :good

[Dunky McCafferty]

Oh for fuck's sake, Dunky...

If that was a "dodgy" stoppage, would you prefer your man to be obliterated on the floor with his brain spilling out his ears?

Obviously you havent watched the stoppage closely Fluxy.

watch it again, if you can. When Mitchell fell onto the ropes no punch had landed, he was off balance & fell into the ropes. Then the fight was stopped.

'For fucks sake Dunky'?

I should be saying that to you!

Watch the fight again. Then lets talk. Byron was fine when the fight ended, this wasnt no beatdown like you try to make out. & I have access to the brit & american shows.

So if you come back, you better come back prepared! Be warned...;)

[scrap]

Girv I look after one for someone

[LiamE]

My favourite Joe Calzaghe lie was when he got the dodgy win over Byron Mitchell, remember that fight? Yup, the fight when Mitchell rocked joe to his boots, Joe came back & floored Mitchell, & then Dave Parris stopped the fight cos Joe told him to!!! Mitchell hadnt even tken a clean shot, he fell off balance, joe gestured to the ref & Parris stopped the fight:patsch

Mitchell was so far up queer street at that point he was selling his arse for spare change. Get over it.

Back to the subject. Yes ****** risks his own money, thats what a promoter does. The boxers risks their lives and their health. And where do you think that money he risks came from... the fighter's fights, that's where. The same fights the boxers were risking their lives in.

[Bomber_uk]

Mitchell never recovered from the knockdown fully, if you watch his presponse when the ref is counting and asking him to come forward it is clear he was all over and looked like he was on a time delay. He then walked into a barrage of punches and threw one half heartedly in response, not sure why Joe appeared to look at the ref but defo a fair stoppage for me :good

[scurlaruntings]

Mitchell was on queer street but the stoppage was BS. Joe was looking at the ref and intimating for the stoppage. Everything that landed landed on Byrons gloves much like the Manfredo stoppage.

[Max Molyneux]

If I was joe I would say Why did Terry Marsh try to Kill you Frank

No you wouldn't.

Even if a promoter rips you off It's no doubt over the top to try and assault them In any way. Boxing fans do tend to go over the top when pissed off though even though Marsh didn't attempt It.

[Bomber_uk]

Mitchell was on queer street but the stoppage was BS. Joe was looking at the ref and intimating for the stoppage. Everything that landed landed on Byrons gloves much like the Manfredo stoppage.

You are right Scurla, a lot of his shots were hitting gloves and shoulders, but he did catch him with a good 8-9 clean shots that were unanswered bar one straight left and he was wobbling all over and clearly not in a fit state to defend himself. Academic now anyway, the fleeting glimpse at Paris did leave a bad taste in the mouth but I still think despite that it was a fair stoppage...

[Max Molyneux]

Everytime Frank gets a fighter good enough to do great they leave him, It's probably no wonder he keeps alot of them low profile on shit like WBO and WBU belts, although he hasn't done any WBU fights for a while now.

[Dunky McCafferty]

I have - I have the fight on DVD.



He was unsteady on his feet, had been shipping hard punches and THEN stumbled.



You could...



I never listen to commentators that closely. Mitchell also didn't complain about the stoppage - he had taken a shelling. It was amazing it hadn't been stopped when he received 15+ shots unanswered.



Always prepared, Dunky. If anything the stoppage had come too late, but I see no controversy in it.

Jeez, did you forget that in the same round Joe was actually downed heavily himself?
So what if Byron had been shipping heavy punches? At the time of the stoppage, Byron had actually stumbled as he was off balance. The fight was then called off by Dave Parris.
So by your reckoning if a fighter has taken a few big shots AFTER he landed a bomb of his own & then falls off balance its OK for the fight to be stopped?

In fact, can I ask you an honest question here. Are you Dave Parris?

Next you will be telling me that the Manfredo stoppage was fair too;)

as for you "not listening" to commentators:lol:

man, you need to teach me that art, I have wished I could switch off my ears from commentary for years!
What do you do not to hear them Fluxy, yoga or something? I wanna know:D

Fluxstuff, the man who can blank out commentary when hes watching a fight. You should be on the cast of Heroes for that talent alone.

[Dunky McCafferty]

yeah - it's complicated. not sure where in Scotland you're from, but, where I'm from the volume control is fantastic for that!

I don't agree with your presentation that the stoppage was unfair - I think it was mistimed but perfectly reasonable. Byron NEVER complained about it.

The difference with joe in that fight was that he was always throwing, even while hurt. he was unsteady, but fully aware AND he blasted Mitchell over.

You might not like it, but your reason is that you think Joe had the fix in, despite knocking the fuck out of Mitchell.

The Manfredo stoppage was stupid, but so what - it wasn't like Manfredo would have done anything.

hmm. Putting words into my mouth again I see.

When did I ever say that Joe 'fixed the fight' with Mitchell??? I said the stoppage was a disgrace, theres a massive difference you know.

& then you tell me the "The Manfredo stoppage was stupid, but so what?"

Which tells me what I have been saying to you all along, that its alright for certain fighters to be awarded a dodgy win, as long as the majority on this forum support them!

sweep sweep...

[safe_pa]

hmm. Putting words into my mouth again I see.

When did I ever say that Joe 'fixed the fight' with Mitchell??? I said the stoppage was a disgrace, theres a massive difference you know.



Uh two days ago.....



My favourite Joe Calzaghe lie was when he got the dodgy win over Byron Mitchell, remember that fight? Yup, the fight when Mitchell rocked joe to his boots, Joe came back & floored Mitchell, & then Dave Parris stopped the fight cos Joe told him to!!! Mitchell hadnt even tken a clean shot, he fell off balance, joe gestured to the ref & Parris stopped the fight:patsch

[Dunky McCafferty]

Also, safe_pa just owned your argument. Now shhhhhhh

No he didnt.

How does Joe gesturing to the ref to stop the fight mean he fixed the fight?
Fighters often do this. larry holmes for instance. Just cos the ref stopped it at Joes request doesnt mean that Joe fixed the fight.

Seriously, if any of you want to 'own' me, you must do better. kids nowadays...

My argument is that british boxing officialdom is corrupt to the core. Never once did I say Joe fixed the fight himself. Thats preposterous.

Oh, & you still havent apologized for calling me a prick in an earlier post come to think of it.

[Stickandmove]

My favourite Joe Calzaghe lie was when he got the dodgy win over Byron Mitchell, remember that fight? Yup, the fight when Mitchell rocked joe to his boots, Joe came back & floored Mitchell, & then Dave Parris stopped the fight cos Joe told him to!!!!

If the fight had been allowed to continue...............what would have happened?

Calzaghe can fib but he's basically an honest guy I reckon.

Although................when asked about the Mitchell knockdown his response was ''it was a slip'' :lol:

[Dunky McCafferty]

If the fight had been allowed to continue...............what would have happened?

Calzaghe can fib but he's basically an honest guy I reckon.

Although................when asked about the Mitchell knockdown his response was ''it was a slip'' :lol:

Who knows? All I will say was Calzaghe expended helluva lot of energy as he was swinging wildly from the moment he got up from the KD until Parris waved off the fight.

maybe Joe would have won spectacularly anyway, but the fact of the matter is that the fight stoppage was a joke.
People seem to be getting offended at me for stating this, as if I hate Joe Calzaghe cos I said he got a dodgy W.

That simply isnt the case. I respect Calzaghe as a fighter, but the thread asked a question, & I answered it truthfully. Sorry if my honesty offended anyone.

Oh, & nice last line Sticky, kinda confirms Joe likes to tell tales! he cant even admit Hopkins floored hime either now, & thats the truth:scaredas:

[Boro chris]

Never understood why the Mitchell stoppage is considered contraversial, BM's eyes were in orbit. I think the ref timed it well.
Now the Manfredo stoppage...............:patsch