Barry McGuigan: "Froch is arguably the best SMW in the world..."

[Decebal]

..."and has the chance to prove it in December when he contests the vacant WBC title against Canadian Jean Pascal."

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"It has been a long road out of Joe Calzaghe's shadow for Froch. Now, with Calzaghe planning his farewell bout, the world is literally at his feet."

[rooq]

let the itv hype commence.

i hope he looks impressive.

[Betty Swollocks]

i'm a fan of Froch but that's more laughable stuff from McGuigan.
'world literally at his feet' my arse.
Kessler would be a heavy favourite over him.

[rooq]

i'm a fan of Froch but that's more laughable stuff from McGuigan.
'world literally at his feet' my arse.
Kessler would be a heavy favourite over him.

he's just signed with itv. of course he's going to talk froch up.

good thing is that if he wins the wbc, its he'll finally get the chance to prove himself against the top fighters in the division.

maybe a unification fight with kessler down the road :p

[dwilson]

Jeez Barry will say anything for a fiver. Anyone see him on celeb family fortunes? He looked gutted to miss out on £80 odd winnings.

[kosaros]

Jeez Barry will say anything for a fiver. Anyone see him on celeb family fortunes? He looked gutted to miss out on £80 odd winnings.

Wasn't it for charity?

[Decebal]

Wasn't it for charity?

Sure, Barry's a very charitable fellow...clearly. And if Pascal gets lucky, he will arguably definitely be the best SMW in the world.

[dwilson]

Wasn't it for charity?




Yep. But he would want his cut. :-(

[DamonD]

McGuigan is totally right...it is arguable after all, and I count myself a fan of ol' big mouth Frochy.

This will be the biggest opportunity of his career to date. Time to shine, or crash 'n' burn?

[toffeejack]

He has a point it is arguable but in reality he is far from it.

He hasn't proved himself at world level yet and he has a lot to work on defensively for me.

At this moment in time I believe Kessler would win a wide UD over Froch.

[Benjiabc]

froch deserves abit of hype, hes never had much, i would expect kessler to beat him, but a heavy favourite? no i dont think so

[mstar]

well barry said khan was world class not long ago and win a title soon... i think he was shaking saying that predition but frotch is better then khan both still to win titles

[FLINT ISLAND]

I use to have a tried and tested formula for making boxing predcitions

Whatever Barry McGuigan said - just go with the opposite.

If he said this guy would win - go for the other guy.

If he said Naz was in for a tough night (Said Lawal) - you knew it was gonna be a easy night.

If he said Naz was in for a easy night (Manuel Medina) - you knew it was gonna be tough.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think Kessler would UD Froch, pretty comfortably as well

[Decebal]

Froch: I'm gonna beat Pascal Sparta-Style !



"He knows the sort of fire-power I carry and I expect him to try and outbox me over the distance, as even he knows it would be suicide for him to get macho with the Cobra. Once I land, their game plan goes out the window, closely followed by their courage."

"At last they will see two genuine unbeaten, big-punching fighters. It's gonna be brutal and it's a good thing it will be after the watershed. When that opening bell rings, don't blink because there's gonna be some Cobra-bombs flying."

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[LiamE]

Froch: I'm gonna beat Pascal Sparta-Style !



"He knows the sort of fire-power I carry and I expect him to try and outbox me over the distance, as even he knows it would be suicide for him to get macho with the Cobra. Once I land, their game plan goes out the window, closely followed by their courage."

"At last they will see two genuine unbeaten, big-punching fighters. It's gonna be brutal and it's a good thing it will be after the watershed. When that opening bell rings, don't blink because there's gonna be some Cobra-bombs flying."

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He's going to kick him down a well?

[Benjiabc]

Froch: I'm gonna beat Pascal Sparta-Style !



"He knows the sort of fire-power I carry and I expect him to try and outbox me over the distance, as even he knows it would be suicide for him to get macho with the Cobra. Once I land, their game plan goes out the window, closely followed by their courage."

"At last they will see two genuine unbeaten, big-punching fighters. It's gonna be brutal and it's a good thing it will be after the watershed. When that opening bell rings, don't blink because there's gonna be some Cobra-bombs flying."

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gotta love froch :smoke :good

[Decebal]

He's going to kick him down a well?

Well of despair!:deal

Froch's a funny guy; how can you not love an interview like that!:lol:

"THIS...IS...NOTTINGHAAAAAM!!!!"

[BigEars]

tbh I'm growing to love Carl Froch. You have to take into account that everything he says is tongue in cheek but he gives the impression he's serious so well. As a fighter he's not bad to watch either.

I used to hate him but he's actually a funny guy and he's backed up everything he's said so far.

[Decebal]

tbh I'm growing to love Carl Froch. You have to take into account that everything he says is tongue in cheek but he gives the impression he's serious so well. As a fighter he's not bad to watch either.

I used to hate him but he's actually a funny guy and he's backed up everything he's said so far.

I am starting to feel like that towards him too:patsch :lol: ...he reminds me of Mayorga - I just cannot hate that guy!

[Fat Joe]

Decebal, what's your problem with Froch + Dawson?

[Decebal]

Decebal, what's your problem with Froch + Dawson?

Dawson, I used to be a big fan of! Loved his skills and heart! Thought he could be one of the best too, in future. His fans started to piss me off, though, acting like he was perfect in every way and could beat anyone really easily, but I didn't let that get to me. I was really looking forward to him fighting Diaconu (didn't give Diaconu more than a puncher's chance, 20% at best!)...

...then, this whole thing happened:

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Since then, Dawson's had his fight with Johnson, he didn't look like a world-beater, but still acted like the p4p No.1 and a prima donna.

When he lost the purse bid, he declined by far his highest purse ever (over $1m) and ducked Diaconu for good, going after Tarver, on whose back he's trying to make his name.

For me, Dawson represents ALL that is wrong with professional boxing, perticularly American professional boxing. The guy's a good family man, but otherwise, as a person, I have no respect for him at all. Hope he gets brought down to earth soon, for the sake of boxing.

Froch, well, it started out with his fans taking him really seriously, so I did too. Just like BigEars said, I always thought he was a twat, making all those statements about Calzaghe, Kessler, etc. Most if not all of his DIEHARD fans were really annoying and really defensive of his overthetop statements, so I took those statements even more seriously, because they did too!

Then, there was the IBF eliminator business:

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Froch came out and said everyone was dodging him etc, Bute included, long after he declined to fight Bute in the eliminator, and how he'd KO both Bute and Berrio on the same night. That, I thought was just too much!

However, it struck me just now that he might be a Mayorga-type funny guy too (I couldn't stand that kind of acting up when Miranda did it to Kessler, etc., but I'm coming round to it). On the other hand, I know Froch doesn't just take the piss in every press-release. Some things he says 100% seriously, in a matter-of-fact way, are 100% false, like the Bute thing or the everyone ducking him thing, when Inkin dropped out and he couldn't get any of the big names to slot in at 2 weeks' notice. He knew what he was doing and it was downright criminal of him to make out that they were ducking him.

As long as Froch keeps releasing over-the-top-and-a-bit-funny material, AND fights the best, and gives his all in the ring, good luck to him! I like his aggressive tough-man puncher's style a lot!

But he should certainly stop making serious, false claims - for that, I cannot forgive him.

So, I am starting to come round to Froch, thinking of him more as a Mayorga type comedian, but I cannot bring myself to stop resenting him for repeatedly making serious false accusations in a 100% serious vain - that's just decieving the fans who don't know! That is just wrong!

To be honest, these days I am more annoyed with commentators hyping him up too much, like Barry, here, than with Froch himself.

...there, my confession.:good

[Beeston Brawler]

I think Froch is pretty funny, certainly much more so than Witter ever used to be!

[robpalmer135]

ITV will stop Froch getting the big fights with Taylor and Kessler as they will not stump up the cash. look out for froch vs manfredo jnr or sakio bika next up.

[Max Molyneux]

Froch: I'm gonna beat Pascal Sparta-Style !



"He knows the sort of fire-power I carry and I expect him to try and outbox me over the distance, as even he knows it would be suicide for him to get macho with the Cobra. Once I land, their game plan goes out the window, closely followed by their courage."

"At last they will see two genuine unbeaten, big-punching fighters. It's gonna be brutal and it's a good thing it will be after the watershed. When that opening bell rings, don't blink because there's gonna be some Cobra-bombs flying."

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A live fight admin posts on boxrec and Is a total Froch yesman, he probably wrote that. He didn't excatly beat a shot Reid and Rybacki sparta style.

[robpalmer135]

i dont get why some of you think froch is being tounge in cheek. i think i have a decent sense of humour (my defenition of this being i dont find ricky hatton funny) but dont see much comical in carl froch

[Decebal]

i dont get why some of you think froch is being tounge in cheek. i think i have a decent sense of humour (my defenition of this being i dont find ricky hatton funny) but dont see much comical in carl froch

It has to be tongue in cheek, right? I mean, otherwise, all this talking in the third person and calling himself "The Cobra" and pretending he was a film character and saying he'd KO everyone, whilst still being a prospect, would make him a bit...odd, to say the least! The guy seems balanced, chilled out and fairly reasonable in interviews, not crazy at all, so either someone is writing all these statements on his behalf to make him notorious and bring him some publicity, or it's tongue in cheek, right? My problem with these statements is that some, at least, clearly aren't meant to be tongue in cheek - that's when he really rubs me the wrong way - the lies and hypocrisy are too much.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think Froch is VERY dry

Saying that he could knock Jeff Lacy out in a round is being dry, surely

[Decebal]

I think Froch is VERY dry

Saying that he could knock Jeff Lacy out in a round is being dry, surely

I agree...I think he's just acting up in these press releases.

[Beeston Brawler]

I agree with Flint though on Froch

The kind of guy you could imagine walking down the White Rose Centre with a machette just clubbing people

[Decebal]

I agree with Flint though on Froch

The kind of guy you could imagine walking down the White Rose Centre with a machette just clubbing people

Honestly, I don't see anything creepy in the guy. :?

He might be ruthless, but that's good, he's a professional fighter.:good

[toffeejack]

Can anyone tell me why Froch has taken this long to become a major threat in world boxing or at least on the verge?

I can't be arsed to check boxrec but isn't he 31 years old?

[Snorkel]

Can anyone tell me why Froch has taken this long to become a major threat in world boxing or at least on the verge?

I can't be arsed to check boxrec but isn't he 31 years old?


Yeah, he's 31 but didn't turn pro until his mid 20s, on top of which he hasn't had the best of luck with injuries.

I like the guy, always have. I think most of you are right to take whatever he says with a pinch of salt. When he's actually being interviewed, he seems fairly grounded and sensible.

What do people reckon about the Pascal fight? I've not seen much of the guy, but what little I have didn't impress me too much. He certainly doesn't look like the RJJ replacement that some hyped him up as.

[Decebal]

What do people reckon about the Pascal fight?.

Here's what a Canadian fan who has seen Pascal a good few times says:

Pascal has good power, but not at Froch's level. Pascal's jab is quite sharp. Against a dropping hand style like Froch has, he will do lot of damages if Froch doesn't move up his hands. It will be Pascal great handspeed against Froch's power. The big issue is Pascal's left shoulder. If he has totally recovered, there you will see amazing fast short combinations (4-5-6) from him. It will come from every angles. Froch is usually quite static in a ring. He coud become an easy target for Pascal's combinations if he is 100% healthy.

For sure, Pascal won't be intimidated to fight in England. He already felt good sensations overthere by winning the gold medal at the Commonweatlh Games few years ago. He trusts the fairness of the judges in England. In addition, I am sure he will deliver a better performance in England than Montreal. At home, he would have tried to please the local crowd.

My pick: Pascal UD!

Hope Terry O'Connor and Dave Parris are not going to be allowed within 15 feet of the ring, if Pascal is to maintain his good opinion of English refs.

[Snorkel]

Here's what a Canadian fan who has seen Pascal a good few times says:



Interesting, thanks. :good

Just been rewatching some of the youtube stuff of him, and while he does seem to throw fairly quick combos, they don't seen the most precise and his defence and technique seem to go to pieces when he does so; he throws wide and dips his head down. Begging for a Froch uppercut if you ask me.

I'm sure somebody who's seen more will be along to correct me shortly, but that's the impression I got.

[Decebal]

Interesting, thanks. :good

Just been rewatching some of the youtube stuff of him, and while he does seem to throw fairly quick combos, they don't seen the most precise and his defence and technique seem to go to pieces when he does so; he throws wide and dips his head down. Begging for a Froch uppercut if you ask me.

I'm sure somebody who's seen more will be along to correct me shortly, but that's the impression I got.

People who've watched him also say he's not the strongest mentally, so he makes mistakes, some, quite serious. Should work in Froch's favour. I think the answer is: we just don't know. Both Pascal and Froch have been very good amateurs, but neither is perfect and they're both untested. Most people see Froch by KO as the money pick, but stranger things have happened. We'll see.

[Smazz20]

Froch is starting to grow on me now. But he can't afford to lose to Pascal at this stage of his career. This is his biggest test to date, as we all know, and if he was to lose to a fellow prospect in Pascal, well he'll have a long old road back to the top. I'd expect the fight to be level after around 6 rounds before Froch stops him. I doubt Pascal will find it as comfortable fighting Froch in front of several thousand fans, as he did in the Commonwealth games. The occasion will get to Pascal and then The Cobra will strike!!

[Decebal]

Froch is starting to grow on me now. But he can't afford to lose to Pascal at this stage of his career. This is his biggest test to date, as we all know, and if he was to lose to a fellow prospect in Pascal, well he'll have a long old road back to the top. I'd expect the fight to be level after around 6 rounds before Froch stops him. I doubt Pascal will find it as comfortable fighting Froch in front of several thousand fans, as he did in the Commonwealth games. The occasion will get to Pascal and then The Cobra will strike!!

Yeah, but it wouldn't really matter. Pascal will just have turned 26, with only 3 and a half years of pro boxing on the clock, and he'd have been in a title fight, abroad, not least! That's quite impressive in itself, if you compare him to Kessler, Bute and Inkin, and certainly, Froch. If Pascal doesn't get destroyed, he learns a lot and comes back in a year or two. Froch, though, if he loses, he's pretty much done at the highest level. The pressure might be on Froch after all.

[margo82]

Somebody should tell Barry what literally means.

[girv]

He's going to kick him down a well?

:D

[Smazz20]

Yeah, but it wouldn't really matter. Pascal will just have turned 26, with only 3 and a half years of pro boxing on the clock, and he'd have been in a title fight, abroad, not least! That's quite impressive in itself, if you compare him to Kessler, Bute and Inkin, and certainly, Froch. If Pascal doesn't get destroyed, he learns a lot and comes back in a year or two. Froch, though, if he loses, he's pretty much done at the highest level. The pressure might be on Froch after all.


Yep, I agree with that Dec. Pascal, unlike Froch, Can afford to lose. There have been rumours about him having a dodgy chin, so Froch will be the first legit threat to him to test that. Either way, if he loses, it's not the end of the world. He's young and at least with 1 defeat behind him, he won't be so concerned with protecting his 0.

[Decebal]

Yep, I agree with that Dec. Pascal, unlike Froch, Can afford to lose. There have been rumours about him having a dodgy chin, so Froch will be the first legit threat to him to test that. Either way, if he loses, it's not the end of the world. He's young and at least with 1 defeat behind him, he won't be so concerned with protecting his 0.

:good

And props to him for facing a big puncher, given the questions over his chin, particularly in the puncher's back yard. Always thought Pascal was a fighter who was a possible dodger, because he didn't face Miranda, but it turns out that his shoulder injury was bona fide, and that he wasn't looking for a way out; he just couldn't fight anyone! If only more fighters would take a chance to prove themselves the way this French Canadian fellow does!

[kurt2006]

1st time baz has ever spoken the truth. The Cobra is going to be an ATG. Watch the KO of Billy Jean (Pascal).

[catasyou]

Yeah and Amir Khan has a granite chin and Audley Harrison is the best HW in the world

[TFFP]

Mikkel Kessler is the best supermiddle in the world, and the best looking.

[LiamE]

You shouldn't give Barry a hard time about it.

He is just overenthusiastic about British boxers ans always has been, always will be. Bless him.

[LiamE]

Mikkel Kessler is the best supermiddle in the world, and the best looking.

That post started okay and ended up a bit gay.

[TFFP]

That post started okay and ended up a bit gay.
I'm comfortable with it.

[John18]

I like Froch, but don't think he's as good as he thinks he is.

Whether he will beat Pascal is another matter though.

[LiamE]

I'm comfortable with it.

Really? Does it not bring a tear to your eye? :lol:

[Decebal]

You shouldn't give Barry a hard time about it.

He is just overenthusiastic about British boxers ans always has been, always will be. Bless him.

He's also overenthusiastic about this fellow Pascal, for some reason; he thinks that beating Pascal would prove Froch was the best in the world! Must also like the French Canadians, Barry. :D

[LiamE]

I like Froch, but don't think he's as good as he thinks he is.

Whether he will beat Pascal is another matter though.

No one in the history of boxing is as good as Froch thinks he is.

He's pretty though, to be fair.

[TFFP]

No one in the history of boxing is as good as Froch thinks he is.

He's pretty though, to be fair.
:huh

[Smazz20]

No one in the history of boxing is as good as Froch thinks he is.

He's pretty though, to be fair.


This thread started off alright, now it's getting a bit gay

[LiamE]

:huh

Dont you think Froch is pretty good then?

[Decebal]

Dont you think Froch is pretty good then?

Froch is arguably the best SMW in the world, just like Pascal.

[cityofgod]

Fight Live is a good site for videos. Fookin hundreds of them.

I think it's def worth a tenner on Froch by KO as I dont think we have seen him fully motivated or fit to date.

Only tatevosyan brought a little conern out in him because he saw him give Howard Eastman a 12 round war.