how come Hayemaker got of the ground quicker than punch promotions?

[slip&counter]

hattons punch promotions has more resources, but hayemaker are the ones signing better youngsters and the TV deal. is punch promotions just for rickys fights?

[Decebal]

Maybe because Haye will continue to be a big draw after Hatton retires. The youngsters want to be on a big card, live on HBO, not just payed well. Perhaps they think they'll make more money long-term. Honestly, I don't know.

[rooq]

dunno, is punch promotions just ricky and his dad?

adam booth appears to be more involved than david haye in hayemaker

[TFFP]

Because Ricky and his dad are cunts.

Haye has got the momentum with him at the moment. He's giving it large, getting a lot of press behind his own career and its filtering off onto his promotional outfit. There is a feeling this is the future for British boxing promotion.

Once he gets one or two promising prospects signed up the thing becomes more and more enticing for others and the job gets easier.

[Haye]

See the thing is a shitload of big name fighters have promotional companies, yet they are just names, nothing more. Winky Wright has Winky promotions, Mayweather has his, hatton has his.

They are essentially copying DLH, yet putting fuck all into their 'companies'. Whereas Hayemaker is actually going about its business, largely because of Adam Booth it would seem.

[brown bomber]

Because Ricky and his dad are cunts.

Maybe he's just a bit busy? You biased twat :lol:

[fidds]

See the thing is a shitload of big name fighters have promotional companies, yet they are just names, nothing more. Winky Wright has Winky promotions, Mayweather has his, hatton has his.

They are essentially copying DLH, yet putting fuck all into their 'companies'. Whereas Hayemaker is actually going about its business, largely because of Adam Booth it would seem.


Yeah you are right

They make up these companies to promote there own fights, therefore they get promoters money as well as there purse etc...

Probably saves a shit load of tax going through the company account not that im an accoutant or anything :lol:

[9Ball]

Well I am all for boxers getting money rather than promoters. Providing they do a good job which considering it is thier own name they are promoting they deserve all the wonga they can get. Maybe this kind of promoting signals the end for people like Frank ******!!! We can only hope. ;)

[TFFP]

Maybe he's just a bit busy? You biased twat :lol:
Busy eating kebabs and playin' darts?

Come on man :smoke

[FLINT ISLAND]

Hayes promotions are still a unproven quantity

Fighters should not get carried away signing their life away to David Haye and his ego maniac friend Adam Booth.

Lets see what their deliever - as of yet nothing.

But fair play if they want to have a crack at it - they are entitled to do it as much as anyone else

But as Frank ****** said recently the problem Haye had in finding his own opponnet is the tip of the iceberg

promotion is quite a difficult job with lots of nasty twists and turns

****** is Skeptical of Haye as a promoter and suggests he will find out the hard way it is a tough job

[FLINT ISLAND]

if it was a easy job - every fighter would be a successful promoter

****** has seen them all come and go over the years

the one that stands out in recent times is Oscar De La Hoya - however he is one of the most celebrated and richest fighters in history with alot of clout in the sport in America - most cant compete with him

[fidds]

if it was a easy job - every fighter would be a successful promoter

****** has seen them all come and go over the years

the one that stands out in recent times is Oscar De La Hoya - however he is one of the most celebrated and richest fighters in history with alot of clout in the sport in America - most cant compete with him

Why do you thing golden boy have schaffer and hayemaker have adam booth, they do the business :good

[FLINT ISLAND]

Why do you thing golden boy have schaffer and hayemaker have adam booth, they do the business :good


whats Adam Booths specialise in then?

[ishy]

whats Adam Booths specialise in then?

Hayemaker is also tied to Golden Boy, Schaeffer helps them out a lot. Dave Coldwell is the main man at Hayemaker Boxing.

[KCD]

Can anybody tell me what either promotion company has actually done?

[icemax]

Lets see what their deliever - as of yet nothing.

Apart from the first show producing the scariest one punch KO that I have ever seen

[fidds]

I wonder if there will be a macoroni promotions :lol:

[robpalmer135]

Hattons promotional company will never do anything. Hatton has to many other intrests outside of boxing, to comit to getting his promotion going. Hatton is like all the other boxers who say there gonna be promoters, and they do not get anywhere. the reason for this is simple. Quite simply, Haye and Booth are prepard to put the work in and look to the future beyond Hayes career, there promotional company, when negotiating deals, rather than just thinking about the cash here and now. Hatton and the others have not done the same.

Hayemaker has gone places for several reasons. Haye and Booth have something the Hattons don't, business savvy. Within 6 months of being a company, they already have 13 fighters signed up inlcuding 1 british champion, a 10 fight TV Deal, and are in a partnership with the worlds most succesful promotional outfit, Goldenboy. Hattons company have had 1 show in 3 years (the ones featuring him have had hobson and maloney promoting)

Now although i feel Booth and Haye are good businessmen, don't think for one seconed Goldenboy partnerd with Haye for that reason. They signed with Hayemaker sign Haye. Also Setanta signed up with Hayemaker not so they could have the 6 british title shows, but so they could shows David Hayes fights.

Haye and Booth were smart enough to exploit his position as Britain and the Heavyweight divisions "next big thing" to get a TV deal and a partnership with Goldenboy. Haye could of made more money going with Sky and being on PPV, but he went with Setanta as they were prepared invest in Hayemaker and not just David Haye. Haye could also have gone and fought in the states straight away and made more money, but by staying in England he is getting Hayemaker fighters exposure on TV.

Do you think TV are gonna give a shit about Hattons promotional company if Hattons retired and they have no name figthers. By the time Haye has retired he could have 20+ fighters, a couple of which will be top prospects like Grives and McGuire, 3-4 could British/Commonwealth Champions like Ryan Rhodes, maybe a European or even a World Champ, so even without Haye they will want to give them a contract. Promoters make 90% of there income from TV, not ticket sales.

Also Haye is not as involved at the moment as he is still an active fighter. Booth and Dave Coldwell will be doing most of the work until Haye retires in a few years.

Also we should all be getting behind Hayemaker, they say there ethos is to put on competative fights, no mis matches and bring prospects on quickly, something Haye did himself, and they showed in there first card which i enjoyed and was a sellout.

[robpalmer135]

Hayes promotions are still a unproven quantity

Fighters should not get carried away signing their life away to David Haye and his ego maniac friend Adam Booth.

Lets see what their deliever - as of yet nothing.

But fair play if they want to have a crack at it - they are entitled to do it as much as anyone else

But as Frank ****** said recently the problem Haye had in finding his own opponnet is the tip of the iceberg

promotion is quite a difficult job with lots of nasty twists and turns

****** is Skeptical of Haye as a promoter and suggests he will find out the hard way it is a tough job

How can ****** slag people of for finding opponents, he never name oppoents for Khan until 2 weeks before the fight.

[Beeston Brawler]

I would imagine promoting is a lot easier if you get your house in order and line up fighters more than a week in advance - rather than having to phone up Nobby Nobbs to provide some chump to run away for four rounds against guys like Steven Bell or Vinny Mitchell

Punch Promotions revolves solely around the Hatton's - Ricky and Matthew. Basically a way of keeping money in a company rather than paying income tax at 40% and NI at 11%. They will pay themselves the minimum wage probably and keep the ladies on the books to save £££

Basically the same way a developer can (could anyway) build 50 office blocks and not give two shits about the amount of money that is being borrowed

[rooq]

Can anybody tell me what either promotion company has actually done?

hayemaker have signed a dozen or so boxers including a british champion and staged 1 show, with another scheduled for Nov 15th. They have also made a multi-fight deal with setanta.

punch promotions have done...erm...?

[Chinny]

Hattons promotional company will never do anything. Hatton has to many other intrests outside of boxing, to comit to getting his promotion going. Hatton is like all the other boxers who say there gonna be promoters, and they do not get anywhere. the reason for this is simple. Quite simply, Haye and Booth are prepard to put the work in and look to the future beyond Hayes career, there promotional company, when negotiating deals, rather than just thinking about the cash here and now. Hatton and the others have not done the same.

Hayemaker has gone places for several reasons. Haye and Booth have something the Hattons don't, business savvy. Within 6 months of being a company, they already have 13 fighters signed up inlcuding 1 british champion, a 10 fight TV Deal, and are in a partnership with the worlds most succesful promotional outfit, Goldenboy. Hattons company have had 1 show in 3 years (the ones featuring him have had hobson and maloney promoting)

Now although i feel Booth and Haye are good businessmen, don't think for one seconed Goldenboy partnerd with Haye for that reason. They signed with Hayemaker sign Haye. Also Setanta signed up with Hayemaker not so they could have the 6 british title shows, but so they could shows David Hayes fights.

Haye and Booth were smart enough to exploit his position as Britain and the Heavyweight divisions "next big thing" to get a TV deal and a partnership with Goldenboy. Haye could of made more money going with Sky and being on PPV, but he went with Setanta as they were prepared invest in Hayemaker and not just David Haye. Haye could also have gone and fought in the states straight away and made more money, but by staying in England he is getting Hayemaker fighters exposure on TV.

Do you think TV are gonna give a shit about Hattons promotional company if Hattons retired and they have no name figthers. By the time Haye has retired he could have 20+ fighters, a couple of which will be top prospects like Grives and McGuire, 3-4 could British/Commonwealth Champions like Ryan Rhodes, maybe a European or even a World Champ, so even without Haye they will want to give them a contract. Promoters make 90% of there income from TV, not ticket sales.

Also Haye is not as involved at the moment as he is still an active fighter. Booth and Dave Coldwell will be doing most of the work until Haye retires in a few years.

Also we should all be getting behind Hayemaker, they say there ethos is to put on competative fights, no mis matches and bring prospects on quickly, something Haye did himself, and they showed in there first card which i enjoyed and was a sellout.

Great post. Absolutely spot on

[robpalmer135]

Great post. Absolutely spot on

cheers chinny.

[robster]

Hattons promotional company will never do anything. Hatton has to many other intrests outside of boxing, to comit to getting his promotion going. Hatton is like all the other boxers who say there gonna be promoters, and they do not get anywhere. the reason for this is simple. Quite simply, Haye and Booth are prepard to put the work in and look to the future beyond Hayes career, there promotional company, when negotiating deals, rather than just thinking about the cash here and now. Hatton and the others have not done the same.

Hayemaker has gone places for several reasons. Haye and Booth have something the Hattons don't, business savvy. Within 6 months of being a company, they already have 13 fighters signed up inlcuding 1 british champion, a 10 fight TV Deal, and are in a partnership with the worlds most succesful promotional outfit, Goldenboy. Hattons company have had 1 show in 3 years (the ones featuring him have had hobson and maloney promoting)

Now although i feel Booth and Haye are good businessmen, don't think for one seconed Goldenboy partnerd with Haye for that reason. They signed with Hayemaker sign Haye. Also Setanta signed up with Hayemaker not so they could have the 6 british title shows, but so they could shows David Hayes fights.

Haye and Booth were smart enough to exploit his position as Britain and the Heavyweight divisions "next big thing" to get a TV deal and a partnership with Goldenboy. Haye could of made more money going with Sky and being on PPV, but he went with Setanta as they were prepared invest in Hayemaker and not just David Haye. Haye could also have gone and fought in the states straight away and made more money, but by staying in England he is getting Hayemaker fighters exposure on TV.

Do you think TV are gonna give a shit about Hattons promotional company if Hattons retired and they have no name figthers. By the time Haye has retired he could have 20+ fighters, a couple of which will be top prospects like Grives and McGuire, 3-4 could British/Commonwealth Champions like Ryan Rhodes, maybe a European or even a World Champ, so even without Haye they will want to give them a contract. Promoters make 90% of there income from TV, not ticket sales.

Also Haye is not as involved at the moment as he is still an active fighter. Booth and Dave Coldwell will be doing most of the work until Haye retires in a few years.

Also we should all be getting behind Hayemaker, they say there ethos is to put on competative fights, no mis matches and bring prospects on quickly, something Haye did himself, and they showed in there first card which i enjoyed and was a sellout.


Top post, mate.

One other thing, they've found themselves a top MC, a new face and very professional. You don't really notice a good ring announcer. It's only when they are poor that it stands out.

Another nice piece of attention to detail from Haye, Booth and Coldwell.

[robpalmer135]

Top post, mate.

One other thing, they've found themselves a top MC, a new face and very professional. You don't really notice a good ring announcer. It's only when they are poor that it stands out.

Another nice piece of attention to detail from Haye, Booth and Coldwell.

yeh i remember thinking he sounded quite good. just needs a catch phrase really.

another point to make that hatton and others have not been prepared to put enough cash into to get things of the ground. i can imagine haye and booths bank balance is in a bad state right now, but thats the risk you gotta take to run a succesful business. i spent a year just going from 1 credit card to another until i sold mine.

why do you think dlh keeps fighting................so he bankroll GBP.

[Max Molyneux]

DLH doesn't need to keep fighting to bankroll GB, he has HBO backing and Is one of the richest fighters ever.

[robpalmer135]

DLH doesn't need to keep fighting to bankroll GB, he has HBO backing and Is one of the richest fighters ever.

still doesnt mean he has enough to put on 40 shows a year.

[FLINT ISLAND]

DLH doesn't need to keep fighting to bankroll GB, he has HBO backing and Is one of the richest fighters ever.

He dosnet need too.

But he dont wont to jepoardise his bulk of savings he made through his boxing career - thats his own personal fortune to make him secure for the rest of his life.

So he still fights for extra money to pump into GBP.

Everytime he fights he generates a payday of 8 figures.

Against Mayweather he got like $20 - $30 million

thats big money

its worth De La Hoya fighting once a year just for that annual payday to pump into his ever growing successful business.

[FLINT ISLAND]

If I had a personal fortune of anywhere between $150 million - $250 million

But could still earn $30 million a year for just one big job - I would do it

Oscar wont be able to make these fights happen the older he gets

So he got to make as much as he can out of fighting now - before he really is too old to step in the ring anymore

[robpalmer135]

Goldenboy is a massive company. there not jsut dealing with a few million here and there. there shelling out 8 figure sums to put on fights.

[Fat Joe]

Lets see what their deliever - as of yet nothing.


Their first show was entertaining IMO.

[Beeston Brawler]

He got $58m for the Mayweather fight. It was Floyd who got circa $25-30m

Not bad for 12 rounds of sparring, I think you would agree

[FLINT ISLAND]

He got $58m for the Mayweather fight. It was Floyd who got circa $25-30m

Not bad for 12 rounds of sparring, I think you would agree

I find that hard to believe Beeston - though I am not calling you a liar.

I just dont think any boxer in history has been paid that for one single fight.

The highest payday I know of Oscar having was the $35 million he got for getting heavily winded in 9 rounds by Bernard Hopkins.

When he was just 23 years old heas was getting paid $12 million for slashing up Julio Cesar Chavez inside 4 rounds.

Then after the fight he went to the cinema to see "The Rock"

Oscar apparantly still carries around with him his goverment benefit food stamp in his wallet to remind him of his days of growing up when he was poor :yep

[Beeston Brawler]

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Sorry, $52m

[trotter]

One thing that does occur to me is - should Haye not be focussing on his boxing rather than promoting?

[FLINT ISLAND]

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Sorry, $52m


wow - I didnt know anyone had been paid that much :yikes

thats a fuck load of money - for what you say was a public sparring session

Floyd for all his abusive talk and threats to Oscar fought like a Bitch that night

He only came to life in the last 10 seconds of the fight and Oscar matched him punch for punch

[FLINT ISLAND]

One thing that does occur to me is - should Haye not be focussing on his boxing rather than promoting?

Of course.

His new found money - he was paid up to a £1 million by ****** has given him big ideas.

He said even in Boxing Monthly he had to take time out for a while cos he didnt have time to train because he was setting up this new promotional company.

Let Haye get on with it.

If he takes his eye of fighting - then he is making a bad mistake.

Surely it would make more sense to put all your focus and efforts into your boxing career - make as much money as you can - then retire.

Then you could put all your energies into a new business as a EX fighter.

De La Hoya does both - but his performnces in the ring have faded badly - he struggled with that little guy Stevie Forbes - if Forbes had any power he would have stopped Oscar.

Haye is trying to do it all - but his performances in the ring will suffer

[mithffg]

Does anyone know if the fight will be getting shown in the states and if so what channel?I know his last fight was screened by showtime although i think that had more to do with ****** than haye.

[Beeston Brawler]

I know Compubox can not really be trusted, but if I recall correctly Floyd outlanded DLH in that fight, and his percentages were ridiculous.

Also of note on a Compubox analysis of him was his landed for % less landed against % - basically it said that Floyd had a score of 36. Compared to the likes of Whitaker, at 16% - hard to believe. I will try and track the source down and post it.

[GazOC]

As said before Hattons 'company' just seems to be set up to take the promotional cut from Hatton fights while Hayes (well Booths really) are actually trying to promote cards/ fighters.

I'd also guess Haye got a head start by piggybacking Hayemakers smallhall TV deal on his own personal, bigger deal with Setanta.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think you are correct.

Haye did a fairly long term deal himself with Setanta - and probably used the guaranteed £££ to have a bash at promoting his own shows. With most of the heavyweight action taking place in Europe, Haye can entice them to the o2 rather than going to Germany.

Hatton tends to sell each fight on an individual basis, and therefore has less guaranteed money - plus the fact that he tends to fight in the US these days, and signed a deal with GBP. The GBP deal will probably make him a shitload more than promoting I would think.

[cityofgod]

I think everyone is overlooking the facts and rules.

You need to put on 2 small hall shows, before a stadium fight can be organised.

Now, unless Haye has done that (and i never heard about it) then it wasn't actually 'Hayemaker' promoting it, but another with a license.

Hatton has put on a small-hall show last month in Brum and has another planned soon apparrently.

In other words, they truly are promoting their own shows.

[Beeston Brawler]

Hopefully Matthew Hatton will be on that card, rather than clogging an undercard slot in November which could be given to a promising British prospect.