Ricky Hatton

[toffeejack]

Out of all the British fighters at the moment I think it's Hatton that has the most question marks over him.

Like a lot of people I don't believe he's been the same since the Tszyu fight. Yes he won in 4 against Castillo with that great body shot but the fight was pretty ugly up to that point and we saw more of the brawling and mauling that Hatton's critics go on about up until the KO.

Before that he beat Mausa after starting slow, there was the Collazo fight where he arguably lost and the Urango fight which was just awful to watch.

Not much can be said with the Mayweather fight as he was just outclassed but I thought he looked terrible against Lazcano. Even though he won a clear decision he took a lot of shots in that fight, got wobbled and against a lot of guys at 140 would probably have got stopped. It seemed his punch resistance has gone and his defence worse than usual.

Before Mayweather was signed as his trainer I was convinced that Ricky would lose by UD or possible get stopped late on against Malignaggi but it's gonna be very interesting now to see what difference he makes to Hatton at this late stage in his career.

I hope we see Hatton come back with a vengance in November but I really have my doubts and I believe he's finished. What do you all think?

[margo82]

I think he'll beat Malignaggi.

And then he'll have a big money fight at 147, which he'll lose.

[BIG WORM]

i think hes not as good as he was but'll still beat paulie comfortably

[andy mack]

I think he knows that his punch resistance is weakening drastically, hence why he's actually started to pay attention to some defence rather than slug it out as he always has done.

[9Ball]

I think Hatton will win this by late stoppage or by UD.
That is because I believe that he was underprepared for Lazcano and was very nervous for some strange reason.

I would not be surprised however to see hatton lose badly if not to Malignaggi then certainly in his next outing which looks like it will be vs DLH or Pac!! :verysad

[Benjiabc]

you thought paulie would maybe stop hatton? he doesnt hit hard enough to stop hatton, i think hatton will brawl his way to victory but likes you said, hes not been very impressive since zu, which could have been seen as a flash in the pan

[Claypole]

Let's not forget he has had some tough fights over a long time, and some wear and tear is inevitable, especially when you consider his lifestyle.

I think his fight with Malinaggi should be his last. It's not that I think his punch resistance has declined, as he has always looked susceptible to sneaky left hooks. He just looks a bit sloppy these days, and seems to be easier to nail.

[toffeejack]

you thought paulie would maybe stop hatton? he doesnt hit hard enough to stop hatton, i think hatton will brawl his way to victory but likes you said, hes not been very impressive since zu, which could have been seen as a flash in the pan

Lazcano is a 135 fighter and he had Hatton hurt at one point.

I'm talking a potential stoppage on pure accumulation here as well nothing to do with power. Hatton's punch resistance is gone.

[9Ball]

Hatton is definately easier to hit but I distinctly remember he used to walk onto and right through all manner of punches and never seemed to wilt at all. That was such a soul destroyer for his opponents. Now he no longer has that air of being unstoppable.

[GazOC]

I think his form at 140 has been reasonably consistant since Zoo, not amazing but not really cause for concern IMHO. The only performance that left serious questions was Lazcano, time with tell if that was the start of a decline or merely a blip. I don't see these major stamina problems or weakening punch resistance in his fights over the last 18 months at 140 that fight aside.

[Benjiabc]

Lazcano is a 135 fighter and he had Hatton hurt at one point.

I'm talking a potential stoppage on pure accumulation here as well nothing to do with power. Hatton's punch resistance is gone.


even lazcano being a 135 fighter, i think he hits harder then paulie, but of course i see your point, hattons punch resistance seems shocking in comparison to the zu fight. hatton has always taken too many left hooks, i jsut cant see paulie stopping hatton, i am not ruling out a paulie win. but he wont knock hatton out.

[robpalmer135]

i am also tipping Mallignaggi to stop Hatton. he doesnt have to knock him out mayweather style. if he clips hatton good mallignaggi could get 10,15 un answerd punches in no problem. it will give hatton and his fans excuses though.

[Benjiabc]

i am also tipping Mallignaggi to stop Hatton. he doesnt have to knock him out mayweather style. if he clips hatton good mallignaggi could get 10,15 un answerd punches in no problem. it will give hatton and his fans excuses though.


can i ask rob, hatton aside. what evidence has paulie shown you recently that makes you think he could stop hatton? personally i think he has looked c level at best in many of his recent fights

[GazOC]

i am also tipping Mallignaggi to stop Hatton. he doesnt have to knock him out mayweather style. if he clips hatton good mallignaggi could get 10,15 un answerd punches in no problem. it will give hatton and his fans excuses though.

15 punches while Hatton just stands there??? Please....:roll:

[SouthpawSlayer]

i think hatton is also past it he looked terrible last time out and you have to question his quality of opposition since kosta
he will beat malignaggi but will not look good in doing so

[Kid Lucky]

I tend to agree that Hatton ain't what he was I'd still think he would have enough to edge this on pints, sorry points. No-one's really gone into what Paulie has got beyond fast feet and a great haircut in the ring anecdote for the after dinner speaking circuit in years to come.

The best performance I've seen from him was losing to Cotto and just not sure that's enough to beat an even fading Hatton.

[GazOC]

Cotto was extremely weight drained for that fight and still gave Pauli a beating.

[TFFP]

Cotto is far better than Hatton though. He is more technical with his work and not so open, which is why he hasn't particularly struggled with quick fighters like Hatton.

[margo82]

i am also tipping Mallignaggi to stop Hatton. he doesnt have to knock him out mayweather style. if he clips hatton good mallignaggi could get 10,15 un answerd punches in no problem. it will give hatton and his fans excuses though.

:rofl

Hatton has great survival skills, there's no chance Malignaggi will be landing 10 - 15 unanswered punches on him.

[robpalmer135]

you seem to think Hatton will not be weight drained Gaz? Hatton whole training regime is about bringin weight off, this time with mayweather it will not be.

[margo82]

you seem to think Hatton will not be weight drained Gaz? Hatton whole training regime is about bringin weight off, this time with mayweather it will not be.

He spars to bring weight off?

Stop talking shite.

[GazOC]

Not the extent that Cotto was and certainly not to extent that he'll field 15 inanswered shots. Its just not going happen.

[robpalmer135]

can i ask rob, hatton aside. what evidence has paulie shown you recently that makes you think he could stop hatton? personally i think he has looked c level at best in many of his recent fights

his performances prior to cotto were all top, ive seen quite a few of his fights as he used to get shown on channel 5s US fights shows allot. I scored cotto even without the knockdown, and the first fight agaisnt N'Dou was a masterclass against a very under rated fighter.

can i ask anyone what evidence you have of hatton being anything other than a c class fighter since kostya???

[GazOC]

Cotto is far better than Hatton though. He is more technical with his work and not so open, which is why he hasn't particularly struggled with quick fighters like Hatton.

I'm not taking the bait on Hatton-Cotto, try somebody else;) but Hattons pressure is more intense (reckless?) than Cottos who is more methodical and measured. Theres every chance that Cottos style allowed Pauli the space and time to survive where Hattons will not.

[TFFP]

I'm not taking the bait on Hatton-Cotto, try somebody else;) but Hattons pressure is more intense (reckless?) than Cottos who is more methodical and measured. Theres every chance that Cottos style allowed Pauli the space and time to survive where Hattons will not. If I was a fighter that has good handspeed and moderate skill I'd rather have the guy that is reckless and lacking defence, he's a sitting duck for handspeed. It's been proven.

Malignaggi had no advantages over even that shitty version of Cotto.

Malignaggi has shown he can cope with some rough stuff, despite looking like a queer drag queen.

[margo82]

Malignaggi has shown he cope with some rough stuff, despite looking like a queer drag queen.

He ends up fighting the other guys fight, which suggest he can't actually cope with it.

He may have got away with it in the past, but if he fights Hatton's fight, he'll get beaten up.

[TFFP]

He ends up fighting the other guys fight, which suggest he can't actually cope with it.

He may have got away with it in the past, but if he fights Hatton's fight, he'll get beaten up.
He does do that, thats the main reason I'm not that confident in picking him, or picking either way.

What I'm trying to get at is Malignaggi is not just going to get roughed up and rolled over. He is competitive strength wise and inside even if he's not totally comfortable.

If he then puts his own work together on the outside, with his jab which is his best attribute that often goes neglected, along with his handspeed...thats his chance. Big ask given he hasn't really fought to his strengths for 12 rounds recently, but he may just do it. I've a sneaking feeling.

[GazOC]

If I was a fighter that has good handspeed and moderate skill I'd rather have the guy that is reckless and lacking defence, he's a sitting duck for handspeed. It's been proven.

Malignaggi had no advantages over even that shitty version of Cotto.

Malignaggi has shown he can cope with some rough stuff, despite looking like a queer drag queen.
Don't tell me/ us whats been "proven" in an attempt to validate your opinion. You're a fucker for that sort of thing.

I've seen 4 Pauli fights and IMHO he's not this fast slickster that some people claim he is. Even if he has the handspeed , if you don't have the pop to keep a pressure fighter off you or at least keep him honest then you're going to have problems. Now THATS been "proven!".;)

[TFFP]

Don't tell me/ us whats been "proven" in an attempt to validate your opinion. You're a fucker for that sort of thing.

I've seen 4 Pauli fights and IMHO he's not this fast slickster that some people claim he is. Even if he has the handspeed , if you don't have the pop to keep a pressure fighter off you then you're going to have problems. Now [bTHATS[/b] been "proven!".;)
As has Hatton's ability or lack of it against quick fighters. All the quick fighters (not there have been many due to "wise" matchmaking") landed at will. It's common sense actually that with the type of brawling style that Hatton uses without a proper jab or head movement is going to be susceptible to speed, just as lack of power will not keep a pressure fighter off.

He is fast, especially in the early rounds but it fades a little I've noticed. His jab is very good and he circles with it nicely. His problem is he does get involved at times, for no apparent reason other than ego. I'm just hoping he realises what he's got to do in this fight and if he puts the correct gameplan into action for the majority of rounds he has a chance.

[GazOC]

The Pauli fights I've seen, his footwork going backwards hasn't been very effective for a guy with his style, Hattons still pretty good at cutting off a ring. I really can't see him keeping his body away from Hatton or being able to stop Hatton basically bullying him out of the fight.

[TFFP]

But he'll hit Hatton a lot too. Whether he actually hurts him is doubtful, but he will hit him with regularity and he should bust Hatton's face up a treat. It should look like Phil Taylor and Barnie have gone 12 legs on Hatton's head.

It will come down to what you like. Wrestling and roughhousing whilst looking in charge and a bully, or the more eye catching actual boxing.

You are spot on regarding Malignaggi going backwards. Not an effective counterpuncher really.

[BIG WORM]

i dont think he'll be hittin hatton much at all, i think he'll have too much pressure to deal with... i see hatton bullying him into submission, n paulie loosing his confidence

paulies not a very good fighter, hatton will march him down, paulie wont know how to deal with hattons spirit.. hattons got a lot of power aswell, he can push boys like paulie about with ease

[GazOC]

But he'll hit Hatton a lot too. Whether he actually hurts him is doubtful, but he will hit him with regularity and he should bust Hatton's face up a treat. It should look like Phil Taylor and Barnie have gone 12 legs on Hatton's head.

It will come down to what you like. Wrestling and roughhousing whilst looking in charge and a bully, or the more eye catching actual boxing.

You are spot on regarding Malignaggi going backwards. Not an effective counterpuncher really.

I'm not saying it can't be done but winning a fight on the back foot will take a lot doing in Vegas. Maybe Paulie can get a win on cuts but I'm not sure he can realistically do it any other way.

[robpalmer135]

didnt you think hatton would beat mayweather gaz?

[GazOC]

didnt you think hatton would beat mayweather gaz?

I thought he was a live underdog , I turned out to be wrong but I think not losing his temper and a different ref. and he would have made the final bell.

Why? Are we comparing Paulie to Mayweather?

[TFFP]

I'm not saying it can't be done but winning a fight on the back foot will take a lot doing in Vegas. Maybe Paulie can get a win on cuts but I'm not sure he can realistically do it any other way.
I don't see Malignaggi on the backfoot in all honesty. I think he can control proceedings from range with his jab, as its clearly superior to that range finder Hatton pops out.

Obviously he won't be doing that too much since Hatton charges in not allowing him time, but I'm sure he'll land jabs. Then he has to meet Hatton as he comes in, utilizing his handspeed and combinations. Then it will be the inevitable gayfest that ensues in Hatton fights, where undoubtedly Hatton will have the edge and will rough him up big time.

I don't envisage Malignaggi running away, its not his game, and he's not a good counterpuncher as we've established. He'll stand his ground.

[robpalmer135]

no, just saying your opinon of hattons ability is far to high, if you thought he even had a shot against mayweather.

THE REF MADE NO DIFFERENCE TO THE OUTCOME!!! I GET SO PISSED OF HEARING PEOPLE SAY THIS, ESPECIALLY HATTON.

[BIG WORM]

He'll stand his ground.

n get beaten up

[TFFP]

n get beaten up
We'll see. There is a period inbetween Hatton being at range and getting his opponent into a headlock on the inside you know. This is where he's vulnerable when Malignaggi stands his ground and fires off combinations.

[GazOC]

If he does that I think he'll get bullied out of it in a pretty poor fight. If he can't move and can't at least make Hatton think twice about whats coming back at him then he'll get mauled and lose a late stoppage or UD.

[BIG WORM]

We'll see. There is a period inbetween Hatton being at range and getting his opponent into a headlock on the inside you know. This is where he's vulnerable when Malignaggi stands his ground and fires off combinations.

yh i can see where your coming from, paulie trys to look the part, but im not convinced hes what he makes out - hes very heavy legged, and sluggish, i see hatton on his toes being to quick and agile then pushing paulie around :good


and not very elusive aswell, he was getting hit with proper predictable right hands from herman in his last fight

[TFFP]

Hatton never thinks twice anyway even if hes getting hurt by the shots, he charges in like a Hippo that just saw a man swimming in his pool. He'd need a few more brain cells for that, the beer and Ring Post killed whatever was left.

[GazOC]

no, just saying your opinon of hattons ability is far to high, if you thought he even had a shot against mayweather.

THE REF MADE NO DIFFERENCE TO THE OUTCOME!!! I GET SO PISSED OF HEARING PEOPLE SAY THIS, ESPECIALLY HATTON.
The ref. didn't alter the winner (did I say that?), it did alter how the fight progressed to Hatton detriment and helped Mayweather get the KO.

Of course Hatton had a shot against Mayweather, PBF was practically retired and had had trouble with his hands and the pressure of the smaller JLC. It didn't pan out but there you go. A Hatton win was a lot less fantasical than your 15 punch unanswered Paulie combination....

[TFFP]

Are you suggesting Cortez pushed Hatton into the infamous "check hook" and strategically placed the ring post... in the corner of the ring?

[GazOC]

Hatton never thinks twice anyway even if hes getting hurt by the shots, he charges in like a Hippo that just saw a man swimming in his pool. He'd need a few more brain cells for that, the beer and Ring Post killed whatever was left.

So thats the serious debating over for the night is it? Lets have an hour of the same childish insults eh?;)

[GazOC]

Are you suggesting Cortez pushed Hatton into the infamous "check hook" and strategically placed the ring post... in the corner of the ring?

See my previous post.

[TFFP]

See my previous post.
I'm deadly serious mate.

I didn't see Cortez aid and abet in that one. Looked like glove on chin, head on ring post.

[GazOC]

Nah, mate. I know how these discussions decend into farce when you're in this mood. You know my opinion and what I'm trying to say.

[TFFP]

I just think you're expecting a little too much from referees not named Dave Parris or Foster to prevent Mayweather from punching ;)

Nah, I see where you're coming from regarding frustration setting in and not letting Hatton "work". Unfortunately we'll never agree that his work is legit in the first place so I don't have the same issue. But I've also had this argument ad naseum with Ray, I mean trotter and a lot of guys need to refresh themselves on the rules of the sport.

Nighty night friends:good

[GazOC]

Thats fine. I have no problem whatsoever with us disagreeing on this, the validity of Hattons work and Cortez' handling of Hopkins against his handling of Hatton, its just a little late at night to be doing it yet again...;O)

Sweet dreams!!

[robpalmer135]

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Hatton tried to headbutt mayweather in that fight at least 15 times, it was ridiclious. when hatton gets pissed of and hit floyd under the ropes its because he goes for 3 headbutts that get stopedby mayweather. i am dealy serious.

nothing mayweather did in the fight was against the rules of boxing, stuff ricky did was.

[TFFP]

Thats fine. I have no problem whatsoever with us disagreeing on this, the validity of Hattons work and Cortez' handling of Hopkins against his handling of Hatton, its just a little late at night to be doing it yet again...;O)

Sweet dreams!!
Thanks man.

You know I have much love for you in the Brit forum.

[GazOC]

:lol::good

[GazOC]

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the story of mayweather vs hatton.

Hatton tried to headbutt mayweather in that fight at least 15 times, it was ridiclious. when hatton gets pissed of and hit floyd under the ropes its because he goes for 3 headbutts that get stopedby mayweather. i am dealy serious.

nothing mayweather did in the fight was against the rules of boxing, stuff ricky did was.
Come on. Maywether was using forearms very well during that fight, isn't that against the rules? Is breaking fighters BEFORE they've even cliched?

I've no problem with Mayweathers forearms going unpunished, thats boxing and bit of roughing up has always gone on (despite what some people would have you believe!!;)) but the early breaks WERE against the rules and really hurt Hattons chances of getting his roughing up done. Why allow one and not the other? Especially strange when you consider how Cortez handled Hopkins-Calzaghe a few months later.

[SleazeNation]

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That's a great little compilation video, "You're gonna whoop my arse, you're gonna kick my arse?.. F*ckin kiss my arse."

Hatton can sell a fight very well when he really dislikes his opponent.

It makes me actually wish Hatton-Witter happened, just to see Hatton in the build up to another fight where he hates his opponent. He's at his most comical when he doesn't like someone.

[9Ball]

Yes Hatton can be quite condescending and arrogant when he's pumped. I think that is one of the reasons for having as many haters as lovers :good

[hitman_hatton1]

Lazcano is a 135 fighter and he had Hatton hurt at one point.

I'm talking a potential stoppage on pure accumulation here as well nothing to do with power. Hatton's punch resistance is gone.

nonsense.

he got buzzed up a couple of times and saw it thru.

it was no worse than that.

no way was he on the verge of going.

hatton will beat malignaggi pretty convincingly.

then it looks like the DLH-pac winner at wembley stadium.

neither of those will be easy.

you'd have to make both favourite to beat rick. :roll:

[hitman_hatton1]

I don't envisage Malignaggi running away, its not his game, and he's not a good counterpuncher as we've established. He'll stand his ground.

he's no mr elusive is he.

he's a decent mover but nothing special.

hatton is good at closing guys down and is accurate at picking em out. :bbb

malignaggi blocks the body off well but is open to head shots. :!:

hatton on a wide-ish decision.

4 to 6 pts on the cards.

perhaps a bit wider. :good

[hitman_hatton1]

Cotto is far better than Hatton though. He is more technical with his work and not so open, which is why he hasn't particularly struggled with quick fighters like Hatton.

but at the same time.

hatton puts more pressure on.

cotto was laying off and boxing in some rds.

he paced himself and upped it down the stretch.

paulie didn't really get worked over bad until those last 3 rds or so. :!:

hatton will win more decisively than cotto did i think. :good

[9Ball]

nonsense.

he got buzzed up a couple of times and saw it thru.

it was no worse than that.

no way was he on the verge of going.

hatton will beat malignaggi pretty convincingly.

then it looks like the DLH-pac winner at wembley stadium.

neither of those will be easy.

you'd have to make both favourite to beat rick. :roll:

I think he WAS close to going. His legs were like jelly. I am Rickys biggest fan but I fear his lifestyle is catching up with him. :(

[JonOli]

It will be good to see how Hatton does in a live fight against the no 1 contender in his division. To see where he can plough on from here - perhaps Pac man.

Now that Joe has more or less called it a day - on the world seen we are starting to look a bit thin on the ground. Roll on Froch and Haye of cause.

[JonOli]

Yes Hatton can be quite condescending and arrogant when he's pumped. I think that is one of the reasons for having as many haters as lovers :good

He is as Hated as, Haye and Khan in the British forum - pretty much from the same parties.

[trotter]

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Hatton tried to headbutt mayweather in that fight at least 15 times, it was ridiclious. when hatton gets pissed of and hit floyd under the ropes its because he goes for 3 headbutts that get stopedby mayweather. i am dealy serious.

nothing mayweather did in the fight was against the rules of boxing, stuff ricky did was.

Rob, seriously, you do have a tendency to exaggerate don't you?

With Hatton's track record of not butting and having susceptibility to cuts (added to the fact I didn't notice him throwing headbutts regularly with my own eyes) I just don't think that's true.

Also Hatton did have a chance in that fight. Of course he did. Not a strong chance, quite small IMO before the fight, and the way events unfolded he had virtually none.

If Cortez had allowed Hatton to unsettle Mayweather it may have panned out differently. He did the opposite. C'est la vie. Hatton needed a few factors to play into his hands to win, but they didn't. To say he had 'no chance' to win is silly. He had as much chance as anyone who's faced Mayweather, bar perhaps Oscar.

[steelem]

cant see how any of you fancy paulie to take this fight - ive seen paulie in his last 4 fights & gotta say his ****. never in the same league as hatton - & as for knoocking hatton out - that just laughable.

[robpalmer135]

i still think we will se hatton vs witter. if hatton looses to mallignaggi, hatton vs witter is the only fight PPV worthy, and hatton will want big money still.

[widdy]

if hatton go's back to moving,creating angles,turning mallignaggi on the ropes
i can see hatton breaking him in half with body shots,if he fights with his face,imho i can still seeing him winning by points but making it a shit fight
lets see what mayweather snr can do with him,if anything.
after watching mallignaggi last fight i thought he was fuckin terrible
as for comparing hatton to cotto,aint he just got stopped,and beat bad by a pretty decent guy,not by a unbeaten pound for pound best boxer in the world,yet a lot of you still think that cottos the best thing out there and wud beat hatton to a pulp:bbb

[fidds]

i still think we will se hatton vs witter. if hatton looses to mallignaggi, hatton vs witter is the only fight PPV worthy, and hatton will want big money still.

Mallifaggi sucks mate not be horrible, look every one goes on about how shit hatton was in his last fight but he won far more convincingly the paule.

:good

[D-MAC]

Mallifaggi sucks mate not be horrible, look every one goes on about how shit hatton was in his last fight but he won far more convincingly the paule.

:good

If Hatton had have had hair extensions in I think Lazcano would have KO'd him:D

[TFFP]

Hatton never unsettled Mayweather anyway. He was getting his ass whooped on the inside and out. If Cortez let him do that shit he would have lost even more embarrassingly. Fancy holding yourself up as a great inside fighter and getting beat down by a defensive counterpuncher on the inside.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think he did a little, but Floyd ADAPTED

Once he realised that the best (both in terms of simplicity and how it would look) way to win was to OUTDIRTY Hatton he did. That said, rounds 7-10 were an absolute masterclass and weren't even close

[trotter]

Hatton never unsettled Mayweather anyway. He was getting his ass whooped on the inside and out. If Cortez let him do that shit he would have lost even more embarrassingly. Fancy holding yourself up as a great inside fighter and getting beat down by a defensive counterpuncher on the inside.

That's not a great analysis IMO.

Floyd nullified Hatton inside, that's on the rare occasion when Cortez allowed anything resembling inside work to happen.

Floyd didn't 'whoop' Hatton inside, he simply took inside fighting out of the equation, especially early on, using his elbows and appealing to Cortez to split them.

I'm of the opinion that he would have found it harder if Cortez hadn't assisted. Hatton would've eventually found some success in there.

Floyd would still have won, at the end of the day the man is a virtuoso. But it would have made for a better, closer fight if Cortez hadn't fucked it up. We'd have seen more of what Floyd has to offer too.