Has Kostya officially retired?

[Barge FTA]

Has Kostya officially retired?
If he decides to come back, what will happen to his ranking?
is he still considered an active boxer?

[LeonMcS]

Pretty sure it was announced a few months ago hes retired.

[Robot16]

Yeah in the "ring" mag they said he announced it.

[Barge FTA]

i'm surprised that it wasn't in other media sources. i didn't notice it at all.

[JOSEY WALES]

Good job , well imo , He was a fantastic fighter but during the Hatton fight especially in the latter rounds it became apparent he was finished , good on Lewis pulling the plug at the end , sound trainer i have a lot of time for , the compassion which he shows towards his fighters is a quality seldom seen these days , On ya Johnny ( As you Aussies might say )

[huricn]

Kostya has not officially retired yet

[fidds]

Kostya has not officially retired yet



Well he should :patsch

[roscoe]

I think its time to announce it then, whats he waiting for, the sooner he retires, the sooner they will nominate him for the HOF. Simply a perfect example of a champion in & out of the ropes.

[Sox]

It's a pity he never re-matched Hatton to belt the shit out of him.

[ipswich express]

It's a pity he never re-matched Hatton to belt the shit out of him.

Because he wouldn't have.

[Phil Austin]

Spot on Ippy...

[Rise Above]

I havent heard him say he has retired but we all know he is.

[Sox]

Because he wouldn't have.
Probably not, what I meant and should have said was it's a pity he couldn't have come back to beat the shit out of Hatton.

[the beaver]

Probably not, what I meant and should have said was it's a pity he couldn't have come back to beat the shit of Hatton.

Hatton seems a nice fella, why would u want this to happen??

I'd rather see Zoo stop Mayweather alah Zab Judah

[Sox]

Hatton seems a nice fella, why would u want this to happen??

I'd rather see Zoo stop Mayweather alah Zab Judah
I like Hatton too, though I like Kostya more.
Just a figure of speech.

[IrnBruMan]

I always thought Kostya could have beaten Hatton in a rematch if it had been on neutral ground, or at the very least, if Hatton didn't have Dave Parris officiating the fight.

That was disgusting how blatantly Parris continued to rule in Hatton's favour and disregarded Tsyu'z legit KD of Hatton, and never penalised Hatton for his blatant low blow.

Considering Tsyu's age, and trouble making weight, and the timezone problems that have been documented since the fight, on top of the bad refereeing, Kostya did pretty bloody well to last 11 rounds.

[PorkChopExpress]

It's too late now. The loss to Hatton left a bad taste in everyone's mouth I think... I feel like he could have continued his career after a short break too and I think he could have beat Hatton on a different night.

Shame really, but still a legend. Threads featuring Tszyu in the main forum always spark great debate and everyone regards him very highly in general.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Kostya.....shame really, but still a legend. Threads featuring Tszyu in the main forum always spark great debate and everyone regards him very highly in general.

Too true. How many bad words have ever been written about Kostya? A legend and someone we all should look up to.

[ipswich express]

Bloke is a legend. Hatton's style is all wrong for him though at a late stage of his career. If KT really wanted the return, it would've been made. I think Hatton would've jumped at the chance for a return, especially one on neutral turf like the US.

[CarltonBlues]

I always thought Kostya could have beaten Hatton in a rematch if it had been on neutral ground, or at the very least, if Hatton didn't have Dave Parris officiating the fight.

That was disgusting how blatantly Parris continued to rule in Hatton's favour and disregarded Tsyu'z legit KD of Hatton, and never penalised Hatton for his blatant low blow.

Considering Tsyu's age, and trouble making weight, and the timezone problems that have been documented since the fight, on top of the bad refereeing, Kostya did pretty bloody well to last 11 rounds.

Not to mention the shifty stuff they pulled with the weigh in time the day before.

[CarltonBlues]

Bloke is a legend. Hatton's style is all wrong for him though at a late stage of his career. If KT really wanted the return, it would've been made. I think Hatton would've jumped at the chance for a return, especially one on neutral turf like the US.

If Tszyu was allowed to box instead of being placed in arm bars he would have destroyed Hatton. Mayweather showed what an elite fighter would do to Hatton when there is a ref who upholds the rules.

[JOSEY WALES]

I always thought Kostya could have beaten Hatton in a rematch if it had been on neutral ground, or at the very least, if Hatton didn't have Dave Parris officiating the fight.

That was disgusting how blatantly Parris continued to rule in Hatton's favour and disregarded Tsyu'z legit KD of Hatton, and never penalised Hatton for his blatant low blow.

Considering Tsyu's age, and trouble making weight, and the timezone problems that have been documented since the fight, on top of the bad refereeing, Kostya did pretty bloody well to last 11 rounds. Yea we all know the story Mutt but the better man won on the night , would you have complained if he boot was on the other foot ? Nah thought not :lol: , Blues please enlighten me on your pre fight comment .

[JOSEY WALES]

If Tszyu was allowed to box instead of being placed in arm bars he would have destroyed Hatton. Mayweather showed what an elite fighter would do to Hatton when there is a ref who upholds the rules. Please don't put a 2005 Kostya Tszyu alongside a 2007 Floyd Mayweather Jr , It ain't right .

[CarltonBlues]

Yea we all know the story Mutt but the better man won on the night , would you have complained if he boot was on the other foot ? Nah thought not :lol: , Blues please enlighten me on your pre fight comment .

Tszyu's team request a room for an hour before the weigh in where he burns off the last few grams to make weight. Kostya was very methodical in his preparation and that was his routine every fight. This time on arrival for the weigh in instead of being taken to a room as was requested and agreed upon he was ushered to the scales. That's why he came in over.

[pecks]

I always thought Kostya could have beaten Hatton in a rematch if it had been on neutral ground, or at the very least, if Hatton didn't have Dave Parris officiating the fight.

That was disgusting how blatantly Parris continued to rule in Hatton's favour and disregarded Tsyu'z legit KD of Hatton, and never penalised Hatton for his blatant low blow.

Considering Tsyu's age, and trouble making weight, and the timezone problems that have been documented since the fight, on top of the bad refereeing, Kostya did pretty bloody well to last 11 rounds.I agree. Not trying to sound like a bad sport or anything, but the referee really made it hard for him in there, it almost seemed like they were submission fighting at times.

I don't think Kostya would have won in similar fashion to how Floyd won though, I believe he would have won a UD by about 4 or so points, with Hatton coming home strong.

[JOSEY WALES]

Tszyu's team request a room for an hour before the weigh in where he burns off the last few grams to make weight. Kostya was very methodical in his preparation and that was his routine every fight. This time on arrival for the weigh in instead of being taken to a room as was requested and agreed upon he was ushered to the scales. That's why he came in over.what a crock of turd mate lol so its Hatton and ******s fault Kostya came in 3 ounces over ? Kostya got a fantastic reception at the weigh in and soon enough burned the extra off after half an hour work out , these EXCUSES for his LOSS are getting pathetic , :deal

[ipswich express]

My statement remains. If KT wanted a rematch on neutral turf, it could've been made. Hatton was just too good on the night, any way you look at it. Just like Vince Phillips was.

[JOSEY WALES]

My statement remains. If KT wanted a rematch on neutral turf, it could've been made. Hatton was just too good on the night, any way you look at it. Just like Vince Phillips was. Yes after the first fight a sequal would have been a pieace of piss to get on , Hatton wanted to take his show to the states and he did that in his very next fight , he would probably have jumped @ rematch with Kostya as Kostya had a massive name in the states back then , Hatton would have been the reletive unknown and got far more quality exposure Stateside off KT's name than he got off Louis Collazo's .

[IrnBruMan]

Yea we all know the story Mutt but the better man won on the night , would you have complained if he boot was on the other foot ? Nah thought not :lol: , Blues please enlighten me on your pre fight comment .

Sorry Josey, I disagree - it was one the most blatant displays of hometown refereeing I've ever seen - Hatton was allowed to smother and tie up Tszyu as much as he wanted, yet Parris broke it up every time Tszyu started getting the better on the inside. There was an incident in the 3rd or 4th round where Hatton ended up facing the ropes beside Tszyu, with both his hands holding Tszyu's arm back against the ropes, that's how ridiculous his holding tactics were.

Tszyu's 'low' blows were on Hatton's belt and the shot that made Hatton double over and drop was actually above the belt, yet Parris ruled it a slip - actually, at the time he didn't seem to know what he wanted to call it, because he looked at Hatton as if to see what Hatton wanted him to rule it as - a low blow or a slip?

Then for Hatton to wind up and blatantly go for Tszyu's nuts immediately afterwards - and to justify it with the 'low' blows Parris had ruled Kostya had thrown - was absolute bullshit.

Tszyu was gracious in defeat, but he was mugged that night - he was fighting 2 opponents that night in Hatton and Parris, and still managed to last 11 rounds.

****** summed it up when he said afterwards that they got Tszyu at the right time - they knew they were lucky to get away with the bullshit refereeing that night.

As far as an immediate rematch was concerned, I don't recall Hatton being too keen (refer to ******'s comment) and Hatton hasn't quite looked the superman he apparently was that night since.

[JOSEY WALES]

Sorry Josey, I disagree - it was one the most blatant displays of hometown refereeing I've ever seen - Hatton was allowed to smother and tie up Tszyu as much as he wanted, yet Parris broke it up every time Tszyu started getting the better on the inside. There was an incident in the 3rd or 4th round where Hatton ended up facing the ropes beside Tszyu, with both his hands holding Tszyu's arm back against the ropes, that's how ridiculous his holding tactics were.

Tszyu's 'low' blows were on Hatton's belt and the shot that made Hatton double over and drop was actually above the belt, yet Parris ruled it a slip - actually, at the time he didn't seem to know what he wanted to call it, because he looked at Hatton as if to see what Hatton wanted him to rule it as - a low blow or a slip?

Then for Hatton to wind up and blatantly go for Tszyu's nuts immediately afterwards - and to justify it with the 'low' blows Parris had ruled Kostya had thrown - was absolute bullshit.

Tszyu was gracious in defeat, but he was mugged that night - he was fighting 2 opponents that night in Hatton and Parris, and still managed to last 11 rounds.

****** summed it up when he said afterwards that they got Tszyu at the right time - they knew they were lucky to get away with the bullshit refereeing that night.

As far as an immediate rematch was concerned, I don't recall Hatton being too keen (refer to ******'s comment) and Hatton hasn't quite looked the superman he apparently was that night since. Bollocks Mutt its prize fighting the old Marqis of Queensbury rules went south with Kostys first low blow , do unto others etc etc , Hatton beat Tszyu fair and square without a home cooking ref . Hatton was just better on the night , ok you say he was tying Kostya up , Well hell fuck yea , you fight to your strenghts not your opponents , i never heared anyone moan about Hopkins tactics v Calzaghe even though it made for a piss poor fight , horses for courses mate , Kostya retired on his stool ,Hatton went onto become a legit Two weight world champion , he aint Floyd Mayweather as we saw but he aint going to be remembered world wide for getting a dubious decision over Tsyzu . more for the check hook probably :patsch

[LeonMcS]

You know, I have it in my collection but still can't bring myself to watch it.

[JOSEY WALES]

You know, I have it in my collection but still can't bring myself to watch it. yea i feel your pain Leon man , that check hook was a bastard :lol:

[CarltonBlues]

what a crock of turd mate lol so its Hatton and ******s fault Kostya came in 3 ounces over ? Kostya got a fantastic reception at the weigh in and soon enough burned the extra off after half an hour work out , these EXCUSES for his LOSS are getting pathetic , :deal

They're not my words, they're from Tszyu's team. They shifted the weigh in time so it is their fault. ****** is a snake, just look at what he said about your hero Calzaghe after they split.;)

[IrnBruMan]

Bollocks Mutt its prize fighting the old Marqis of Queensbury rules went south with Kostys first low blow , do unto others etc etc , Hatton beat Tszyu fair and square without a home cooking ref . Hatton was just better on the night , ok you say he was tying Kostya up , Well hell fuck yea , you fight to your strenghts not your opponents , i never heared anyone moan about Hopkins tactics v Calzaghe even though it made for a piss poor fight , horses for courses mate , Kostya retired on his stool ,Hatton went onto become a legit Two weight world champion , he aint Floyd Mayweather as we saw but he aint going to be remembered world wide for getting a dubious decision over Tsyzu . more for the check hook probably :patsch

That's what I mean - if you've watched the replay you'll see that Tszyu's blows were not low, yet both Hatton and Parris used that as an excuse for Hatton deliberately slamming Tszyu in the nuts immediately afterwards.

It was woeful, hometown harry refereeing - Hatton was like a wrestler in there, yet as soon as Tszyu started getting the better of him on the inside Parris broke it up.

Any time Tszyu initiated a clinch, Parris broke it up.

You're right though, both Hatton and Parris were playing to their strengths, not Tszyu's :hey

[ipswich express]

Why didn't KT go for a return at a neutral spot then?

[StiffJab]

Bollocks Mutt its prize fighting the old Marqis of Queensbury rules went south with Kostys first low blow , do unto others etc etc , Hatton beat Tszyu fair and square without a home cooking ref . Hatton was just better on the night , ok you say he was tying Kostya up , Well hell fuck yea , you fight to your strenghts not your opponents , i never heared anyone moan about Hopkins tactics v Calzaghe even though it made for a piss poor fight , horses for courses mate , Kostya retired on his stool ,Hatton went onto become a legit Two weight world champion , he aint Floyd Mayweather as we saw but he aint going to be remembered world wide for getting a dubious decision over Tsyzu . more for the check hook probably :patsch

1. Hopkins lost that fight with his dirty tactics
2. Kostya didn't retire on his stool, his coach threw in the towl.
3. Kostya one of the greatest light welters ever, period
4. Hatton got KO'd by a natural lightweight in PBF
5. You lose

[IrnBruMan]

Why didn't KT go for a return at a neutral spot then?

I don't know.

I seem to recall Hatton saying words to the effect of there would be no rematch, because he had the title and wanted to parlay it into big money fights in the US.

Tszyu was in a bad way afterwards remember? There were reports he was pissing blood and had swelling and possibly bleeding on the brain, Johnny Lewis came out and said he should retire while Tszyu was still in Russia on his way back to Oz, and there was a ll that talk of a split between him and Lewis.

I think Tszyu was pretty shaken up by that fight, he got battered and I think he took a step back and started thinking about his future. Not because Hatton was the better man on the either, Hatton was given free range to do what he liked that night, while Tszyu was getting pinged for every little thing, even if he'd done nothing wrong.

Even PBF said he would never fight Hatton in England after watching that fight.

[teke]

Terrible fight for KT to be in at his age.

The Cameron Smith of Boxing, the entire fight you could see KT struggling to get distance so he could box but all spiderman wanted to do was get in and rough up which worked.

[IrnBruMan]

all spiderman wanted to do was get in and rough up which worked.

And the ref allowed him to do it, and broke it up every time Tszyu started getting the better of their inside exchanges or initiated a clinch.

It was a set up.

[pecks]

Why didn't KT go for a return at a neutral spot then?I seriously believe this has nothing to do with Kostya's confidence of beating someone.
Kostya always made it known that he didn't believe in rematches, and only game Mitchell his rematch because he apparently got injured during their first fight.

The ref lost control during the Hatton fight, and I think Floyd would have looked ugly in their that night under the same circumstances.

[ipswich express]

You don't get bleeding on the brain from clinching...

[CarltonBlues]

You don't get bleeding on the brain from clinching...He took some serious punishment after the nut shot. No one disputes that. Tszyu won the 3 rounds prior though (even on the English callers cards) after a slow start and was on top. The low blow was the worst I've ever seen and it changed the fight. It was worse than Judah on Mayweather or Golota on Bowe.

The English fans label us sore losers for bringing up the ref's bias yet they were crying a river about Cortez not allowing Hatton to hold Mayweather. Go figure.

[CarltonBlues]

And the ref allowed him to do it, and broke it up every time Tszyu started getting the better of their inside exchanges or initiated a clinch.

It was a set up.

Absolutely. ****** paid a lot of money for Tszyu to come over and he wasn't letting him leave with his belt.

Mayweather made Hatton look B grade when they fought in Vegas under the proper rules. Zab Judah put up a better fight against Floyd.

[ipswich express]

Styles make fights, that's the way it goes.

[CarltonBlues]

Styles make fights, that's the way it goes.

They sure do but so does the ref. I always said Hatton would stand no chance against Mayweather in the USA but would have a great chance in the UK purely because of the sh!t he could get away with. Really other than his performance over a shot to pieces former lightweight in Castillo he hasn't been impressive (by his own admission) in his fights in America.

[CarltonBlues]

Oh and I know the aussie officiating here can be nearly as bad I'm not having a crack at England here just the officiating of that fight and how it had an impact.

We saw the same with Ndou and Mallingnaggi. Paulie won every round first time with the American ref breaking them whenever Lovemore breathed on him. In the rematch Ndou was robbed because the Hatton fight was already made. The change in the ref made a huge difference.

[IrnBruMan]

He took some serious punishment after the nut shot. No one disputes that. Tszyu won the 3 rounds prior though (even on the English callers cards) after a slow start and was on top. The low blow was the worst I've ever seen and it changed the fight. It was worse than Judah on Mayweather or Golota on Bowe.

The English fans label us sore losers for bringing up the ref's bias yet they were crying a river about Cortez not allowing Hatton to hold Mayweather. Go figure.

exactly

[JOSEY WALES]

1. Hopkins lost that fight with his dirty tactics
2. Kostya didn't retire on his stool, his coach threw in the towl.
3. Kostya one of the greatest light welters ever, period
4. Hatton got KO'd by a natural lightweight in PBF
5. You lose


1, Hopkins got beaten because Calzaghe was better on the night .
2. Yes i agree to a certain extent but he could have carried on .
3. Loved Kostya so no argument there from me .
4. Yes it took the worlds best fighting in his own back yard to beat him .
5 .What do i lose exactly name changer ?
No way shape or form would i knock a fantastic fighter like kostya the man was awesome and im gutted he is a Russian instead of a Brit however this is a boxing disscussion forum so if we all agreed he got jobbed v Hatton we would have fuck all to talk about really would we ? :good

[JOSEY WALES]

He took some serious punishment after the nut shot. No one disputes that. Tszyu won the 3 rounds prior though (even on the English callers cards) after a slow start and was on top. The low blow was the worst I've ever seen and it changed the fight. It was worse than Judah on Mayweather or Golota on Bowe.

The English fans label us sore losers for bringing up the ref's bias yet they were crying a river about Cortez not allowing Hatton to hold Mayweather. Go figure. Blues im Welsh not English as you well know (thanks for the dig Kiwi ) :yep and for your info i have zero problem with Cortez's action the night Hatton got beaten by Floyd Mayweather he just got beaten by the Better man on the night , the difference between me and you mate is i can except defeat like a sportsman and don't look around to blame others when things don't go my way . now you can harp on bout ****** being a snake ( something which i agree with incidently ) all you like but the reason Kostya lost this particular fight was because Hatton fought to his strenghts and was allowed to do so by the ref , its pro prize fighting and not ballroom dancing ,Hattons tactics were to tie the better boxer up all night and he did it effectivley and won the fight ,like i said its horses for courses , i still haven't heared Tsyzu or Lewis complain about his treatment that night as to the way the fight was handled by Paris .

[Dantes]

I got endless respect for Kostya from the ams to his pro career. But he was completely outwilled by Hatton and Ricky deserved that win. Pretty much everyone thought Ricky would be exposed.. he rose to the occaision and deserved every bit of it.

[Axe]

I still say he should fight not Hatton but Vince Phillips.