Taylor vs Pavlik: Pavlik is TOO HUNGRY

[BITCH ASS]

People say that Taylor's jab will reapear and that he will become a master boxer overnight.

If this is the case, why would he let the smaller man in Winky gain an advantage by forcing Taylor to fight his fight. The way to beat a guy like Winky who's footwork isn't what it used to be is to keep the fight in the center of the ring, much like Hopkins did.

Taylor instead was bullied into a corner by a smaller man and pulled out a controversial draw.

Against a Ouma, Taylor was again bullied into a corner by a smaller man who lacked power but threw in great volume. He was unable to deter this man and was again bullied into a corner. Instead of moving around the relatively unmobile Ouma, (when compared to Taylor, supposedly), Taylor played right into his opponents hands.

If Taylor only had height and reach he could have taken advantage of Taylor's reluctance to keep his guard up and hammered him with right hands. And if Ouma had a punch, it might have bee Ouma stepping in the ring with Pavlik.

Pavlik is not without his flaws as well. Taylor is faster, but contrary to what Steward said, I question his advantage in precision as Taylor has been known to wing shots. From a technical standpoint, I'd say that Pavlik is better. He just lacks the natural athleticism that Taylor has.

What does athleticism mean though when in the last few fights, you've been stiff and predictable? Doesn't that negate this advantage?

The fact is, Taylor has been in the game long enough to fix his defeciencies, and at this point in his career, as champ he should have, but the fact is he HASN'T.

Just like the old adage, "you can't teach old dogs new tricks," this will apply to Taylor as well as he is again eventually, almost inevitably trapped in the corner, with nowhere to run.

This time though his opponent is a big, hard hitting, true middleweight that KO's everything in site.

While Jermain may look good in the beggining of the fight, using his jab and movement to prevent Pavlik from cornering him, as Pavlik is often there to be hit, but in time he will be in the same position he's been in his last few fights.

And if Taylor chooses or is FORCED to slug, Pavlik's power and chin will chop him down and there will be a new middleweight champion.

Pavlik is taking this fight for much less pay than other fighters would have demanded. He wants this more than anything and his determination alone will win this fight.

Pavlik is going to KO Taylor.

[BITCH ASS]

Nobody agrees?

[Wilhelm]

People say that Taylor's jab will reapear and that he will become a master boxer overnight.

If this is the case, why would he let the smaller man in Winky gain an advantage by forcing Taylor to fight his fight. The way to beat a guy like Winky who's footwork isn't what it used to be is to keep the fight in the center of the ring, much like Hopkins did.

Taylor instead was bullied into a corner by a smaller man and pulled out a controversial draw.

Against a Ouma, Taylor was again bullied into a corner by a smaller man who lacked power but threw in great volume. He was unable to deter this man and was again bullied into a corner. Instead of moving around the relatively unmobile Ouma, (when compared to Taylor, supposedly), Taylor played right into his opponents hands.

If Taylor only had height and reach he could have taken advantage of Taylor's reluctance to keep his guard up and hammered him with right hands. And if Ouma had a punch, it might have bee Ouma stepping in the ring with Pavlik.

Pavlik is not without his flaws as well. Taylor is faster, but contrary to what Steward said, I question his advantage in precision as Taylor has been known to wing shots. From a technical standpoint, I'd say that Pavlik is better. He just lacks the natural athleticism that Taylor has.

What does athleticism mean though when in the last few fights, you've been stiff and predictable? Doesn't that negate this advantage?

The fact is, Taylor has been in the game long enough to fix his defeciencies, and at this point in his career, as champ he should have, but the fact is he HASN'T.

Just like the old adage, "you can't teach old dogs new tricks," this will apply to Taylor as well as he is again eventually, almost inevitably trapped in the corner, with nowhere to run.

This time though his opponent is a big, hard hitting, true middleweight that KO's everything in site.

While Jermain may look good in the beggining of the fight, using his jab and movement to prevent Pavlik from cornering him, as Pavlik is often there to be hit, but in time he will be in the same position he's been in his last few fights.

And if Taylor chooses or is FORCED to slug, Pavlik's power and chin will chop him down and there will be a new middleweight champion.

Pavlik is taking this fight for much less pay than other fighters would have demanded. He wants this more than anything and his determination alone will win this fight.

Pavlik is going to KO Taylor.

Well that's certainly true.

The thing about Taylor is, he has a pretty good chin himself and Pavlik is there to be hit. I'm not convinced that Pavlik is as great as he looked against the sitting duck Miranda, but he may be good enough to finally make one of those close calls that Taylor is always in go his way.

[Jose FM]

Well that's certainly true.

The thing about Taylor is, he has a pretty good chin himself and Pavlik is there to be hit. I'm not convinced that Pavlik is as great as he looked against the sitting duck Miranda, but he may be good enough to finally make one of those close calls that Taylor is always in go his way.
I dunno Taylor looked pretty hurt by a BHOP counter in their first fight, he was almost out and was saved by the bell. Arguebly Pavlik has more power to do so, and all Taylors been fighting are featherfisted jr.middles.:deal

[Ambition_Def]

Taylor didn't want to be in this fight, but he had no choice.

Pavlik is putting him to bed. No question in my mind about it.

[Jinx]

I dunno Taylor looked pretty hurt by a BHOP counter in their first fight, he was almost out and was saved by the bell. Arguebly Pavlik has more power to do so, and all Taylors been fighting are featherfisted jr.middles.:deal

Pavlik definitely has more power than Hopkins, but can he LAND that power on the more athletic Taylor without eating big shots himself is the question...an older, smaller McKart was boxing Pavlik on even terms until Pavliks power started to take its toll, and Taylor is a huge 160 also with power...so Taylor's speed will be the difference...

[Jose FM]

Pavlik definitely has more power than Hopkins, but can he LAND that power on the more athletic Taylor without eating big shots himself is the question...an older, smaller McKart was boxing Pavlik on even terms until Pavliks power started to take its toll, and Taylor is a huge 160 also with power...so Taylor's speed will be the difference...
:patsch Pavlik came in at 170 for the Miranda fight, Taylor came in at 169 versus Spinks, yeah Taylor has more speed, but not that much more, hes not a defensive fighter so hes gonna get hit, no question bout that.:deal

[USMCGixxer6]

man I hope Kelly takes this one

[USMCGixxer6]

I am so happy that Taylor continues to fight Elite competition, he backs down from no one, and after he get's finished with this bum expect a big fight at 168

he fights big competition but doesnt beat them soundly, or really even beat them.

Lost both to Bernard and Winky, and arguably lost to Spinks.


Jermaine "Boring Intentions" Taylor

[Rock0052]

I dunno Taylor looked pretty hurt by a BHOP counter in their first fight, he was almost out and was saved by the bell. Arguebly Pavlik has more power to do so, and all Taylors been fighting are featherfisted jr.middles.:deal

I think Pavlik's the hardest puncher in the division, and I'd say the same even if Hopkins were there. If we're talking defense, then obviously Hopkins is better- but Pavlik's punch is no joke. If Hopkins can rock Taylor, Taylor better hope Pavlik doesn't land much period.

[Jinx]

:patsch Pavlik came in at 170 for the Miranda fight, Taylor came in at 169 versus Spinks, yeah Taylor has more speed, but not that much more, hes not a defensive fighter so hes gonna get hit, no question bout that.:deal

i was actually saying that Taylor is a big 160 LIKE Pavlik...and Pavlik is going to hit also, by a puncher with more technique, speed, and stamina than Miranda...

[Zakman]

The thing about Taylor is, he has a pretty good chin himself.. .

Actually Taylor does NOT have that good a chin - which is WHY he has been fighting NOTHING but light-hitters from lower weight classes since Hopkins put him on queer street.:yep

When he fights Pavlik, it will clear to EVERYONE exactly WHY Taylor has avoided punchers and legitimate MWs. I expect this fight to last no more than 5 rounds, and with Taylor out cold on the canvas, HBO won't be able to get him a gift decision THIS time!!:-(

[brooklyn1550]

I agree 100 percent

[Executioner]

lol @ Taylor having a pretty good chin.

Oh yeah, Ouma..Spinks..Wright..Joppy..and Hopkins are all very good punchers. :lol:

[perfume]

Actually Taylor does NOT have that good a chin - which is WHY he has been fighting NOTHING but light-hitters from lower weight classes since Hopkins put him on queer street.:yep

When he fights Pavlik, it will clear to EVERYONE exactly WHY Taylor has avoided punchers and legitimate MWs. I expect this fight to last no more than 5 rounds, and with Taylor out cold on the canvas, HBO won't be able to get him a gift decision THIS time!!:-(


How can you even questions Taylor chin, he's never been down..pro or amateurs. Pavlik has been down twice already in the pros so who's chin has a question mark?

[Executioner]

How can you even questions Taylor chin, he's never been down..pro or amateurs. Pavlik has been down twice already in the pros so who's chin has a question mark?

who gives a fuck? has Taylor fought any punchers? No.

Pavlik fought Miranda and took FLUSH murderous right hands and continued to walk through them. Taylor got stunned pretty good by a hopkins right and Bernard doesn't have the power he did 10 years ago.

[perfume]

[/quote] Pavlik fought Miranda and took FLUSH murderous right hands and continued to walk through them. Taylor got stunned pretty good by a hopkins right and Bernard doesn't have the power he did 10 years ago.[/quote]



Who gives a fuck? Has Pavlik fought ANY ELITE fighters? No but Taylor has.

Who cares if you've been stunned, hell even B-Hop and Mayweather have been stunned.... it if you go down and Pavlik has been DOWN twice, one of his knockdown is to that journeyman Bronco McKart.

[Executioner]

Who gives a fuck? Has Pavlik fought ANY ELITE fighters? No but Taylor has.

Who cares if you've been stunned, hell even B-Hop and Mayweather have been stunned.... it if you go down and Pavlik has been DOWN twice, one of his knockdown is to that journeyman Bronco McKart.

So? what does Elite fighters have to do with power. :rofl

Mayweather and Hopkins have actually FOUGHT punchers. And I'm assuming you didn't even watch the McKart fight, he tripped over Bronco's foot.

[psychopath]

:patsch Pavlik came in at 170 for the Miranda fight, Taylor came in at 169 versus Spinks, yeah Taylor has more speed, but not that much more, hes not a defensive fighter so hes gonna get hit, no question bout that.:deal

That's right Pavlik is not as fast or sleek as Bhops. And taylor is no defensive fighter but has more speed than Pavlik. Taylor's gonna get hit? Yeah yeah yeah and so with Pavlik. Pavlik is no defensive fighter either so that work both ways. Pavlik will get hit too. And I can see him getting hit more and worse.

[Ramshall1]

Pavlik is exactly what boxing needs right now.

[perfume]

So? what does Elite fighters have to do with power. :rofl

Mayweather and Hopkins have actually FOUGHT punchers. And I'm assuming you didn't even watch the McKart fight, he tripped over Bronco's foot.



There are journeyman puncher all over boxing, so what if he hasn't fought a puncher recently. Do you think that one punch is goingto defeat Taylor...NO. It will take skill to beat him. Like him or not, he is unbeaten for a reason, if Pavlik would have fought B-Hop, Winky Ouma or Spink, he would have been LOST!!!

[BxN]

Taylor will outbox him.

[No1Taylorfan]

Pavlik supporters keep criticizing Taylor's competition... but it has EASILY been better than Pavlik's. Pavlik hasn't faced a fighter nearly as fast and skilled as Taylor. I understand Pavlik is a fan-favorite because he slugs, but the truth is that NO ONE really knows how good this guy is. He hasn't beaten anybody.

Good article on Yahoo right now about Jermain Taylor hearing everyone's criticism over his last few fights. He owns it, and says owes his team better. I understand the "what is he supposed to say" argument, but he said this could be his best fight and he is training harder than ever.
It may be because I am a homer... but I believe him.

He wouldn't be the first fighter to fight to the level of his competition, and I think he is(wisely) taking Pavlik seriously.

[BITCH ASS]

The reality is, when is the last time we've seen Taylor box?

He's had the opportunity to shine, but hasn't. Against, Winky, he should have kept the fight in the center of the ring and walked around in a circle to negate Winky's high guard defense which works best against straight punches and if your opponent is standing right in front of you.

He didn't box against Ouma, which is a fight that should have been kept in the center of the ring as well, the difference being that instead of hooking and moving, he would do better throwing straights to catch Ouma coming in.

In both these scenarios, against smaller men, Taylor was backed into a corner.

Against a guy with range and power, a guy that doesn't need to get inside deep enough, which will allow him to avoid a clinch, and against a guy that can exploit Taylor's reluctance to put his hands up, Taylor might just get KOed.

BHop had Taylor temporarily stunned, but the fact is, Bhop tried to keep the fight in the center of the ring. Perhaps is Bhop was more aggressive, even he might have found a way to KO Taylor.

Pavlik will push Taylor in a corner. And Taylor is going to get hit. Taylor also doesn't seem to fight well going backwards. As I said, he drops his hands and sometimes telegraphs his punches.

Taylor was also reluctant to engage with a light hitting Spinks. What will Taylor do when he feels Pavlik's power?

Taylor is a good fighter, but his reign is coming to an end.

[Thor]

Actually Taylor does NOT have that good a chin - which is WHY he has been fighting NOTHING but light-hitters from lower weight classes since Hopkins put him on queer street.:yep

When he fights Pavlik, it will clear to EVERYONE exactly WHY Taylor has avoided punchers and legitimate MWs. I expect this fight to last no more than 5 rounds, and with Taylor out cold on the canvas, HBO won't be able to get him a gift decision THIS time!!:-(
You're right Z-Man, Taylor won't get a "gift decision" because Taylor will KO Pavlik.

[perfume]

The reality is, when is the last time we've seen Taylor box?

He's had the opportunity to shine, but hasn't. Against, Winky, he should have kept the fight in the center of the ring and walked around in a circle to negate Winky's high guard defense which works best against straight punches and if your opponent is standing right in front of you.

He didn't box against Ouma, which is a fight that should have been kept in the center of the ring as well, the difference being that instead of hooking and moving, he would do better throwing straights to catch Ouma coming in.

In both these scenarios, against smaller men, Taylor was backed into a corner.

Against a guy with range and power, a guy that doesn't need to get inside deep enough, which will allow him to avoid a clinch, and against a guy that can exploit Taylor's reluctance to put his hands up, Taylor might just get KOed.

BHop had Taylor temporarily stunned, but the fact is, Bhop tried to keep the fight in the center of the ring. Perhaps is Bhop was more aggressive, even he might have found a way to KO Taylor.

Pavlik will push Taylor in a corner. And Taylor is going to get hit. Taylor also doesn't seem to fight well going backwards. As I said, he drops his hands and sometimes telegraphs his punches.

Taylor was also reluctant to engage with a light hitting Spinks. What will Taylor do when he feels Pavlik's power?

Taylor is a good fighter, but his reign is coming to an end.




If Pavlik fought the competition Taylor fought, he'd be bewilder too.

[Executioner]

You're right Z-Man, Taylor won't get a "gift decision" because Taylor will KO Pavlik.

Just like he KO'd Spinks and Ouma? oh okay.

[Zakman]

Just like he KO'd Spinks and Ouma? oh okay. Exactly. Taylor can't even KO JUNIOR middleweights - and he can't take a punch from a top level MW powerpuncher either, which is exactly WHY he's been fighting light-hitting fighters from the lower weight classes. Both him and DiBella KNOW something that we can only speculate on.

People wanna know why Taylor fights tentative, even against light-hitters?? Same reason Fraudley did, gang - he's probably been laid out cold in the gym MANY times. I smell another early KTFO here folks - and, no, it's not gonna be Pavlik.

[Thor]

Ouma's a tough tough guy so I don't really hold that against Taylor. He couldn't KO Spinks because Spinks was running and Taylor stupidly try to box with him, and I do hold that against him, but he's gonna go Pete Venkman, Ray Stantz, Egon Spengler, and to a lesser a extent Winston Zeddmore on the Ghost's ass.

[Executioner]

Oh come on. Just admit that Taylor's power is NOWHERE near what it's made out to be. He couldn't even KO washed up Joppy, a guy that was plastered in 5 rounds in his prime by welterweight Trinidad.

[JETSKI]

Nobody agrees?

Its not just those things. Taylor fights wild. Kelly is perfectly under control. He has much more variety to his game, better skills. I was nervous as hell going into his fight with Miranda & nothing will be different this time around. Taylor will be a formitable foe. I never thought KP would do what he did to Miranda. Thats not a good barometer to use comparing Taylor to Miranda anyway. This fight will be more difficult, but I think KP uses a similar game plan. To pressure him all the time, keep him moving backwards as much as possible, & eventually nail him.

Someone said KP may even dominate JT. I'm not gonna say that. I'm not even gonna think it. I just want him to win real bad.
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[nervousxtian]

Shit, Taylor has looked bad because he's fought guys who make bad fights. Ouma, Winky, and Spinks make TERRIBLE fights. Well, atleast Ouma has since he moved up in weight and can't overwhelm guys anymore.

You criticize him for fighting smaller guys, but they've all been quick and fast boxers, not guys who brawl with him.

I hope Taylor KO's Pavlik brutally just to shut some of you haters up.

[younghov2k4]

i think Taylor will win by rounds.

its gonna be alot harder for Pavlik to land that right and in between those shots, Jermain will be outboxing him and landing his own straight right.

i dont see Pavlik knocking Taylor out either, that would be a long shot imo.

[AJAX]

whatever.... if Taylor wins it will be by a close disputed decision as usual

[perfume]

Pavlik has been down TWICE!!! are we forgetting this!!!

Taylor comp is better then Pavlik...are we forgetting this!!!

Do you think Pavlik can beat Ouma? No


I won't even mention B-Hop, Winky or Spinks...He'd get outboxed.

[surreal deal]

Nobody agrees?
No, i agree.great post by the way.:good
pavlik will win,you've laid it out.

[Zakman]

I won't even mention B-Hop, Winky or Spinks...He'd get outboxed.

As Taylor did. Luckily he had the power of HBO to bail his fat outa the fire and get him those gift decisions! :yep

[Biggame]

I got Taylor by BIG RIGHT HAND BOMB!!!

Ppl are totally underestimating Taylor, and totally making to much out of Pavlik's win over Miranda. Taylor is far from Miranda, and Pavlik isn't close to the class of fighters Jermain has recntly fought:nono Try switching up these fighters resume, and see if Pavlik would be undefeated. I'll ans that for you....the ans is Hell No!!! Yes taylor has had close fights w/Winky(#2 or 3 P4P at the time0, and Hops(#1 P4p at time), and Spinks ran but he's a very quick, slick fighter. Ouma is a rugged tough fighter. My point is Pavlik wouldn't have to worry about close decisions w/these guys because he wouldn't be in the fight!

Taylor is quicker, and hits just as hard if not Harder. Ican only imagine what Taylor's record would be if he fought Pavlik's opponents instead. He'd look like the same Ko artist!! Pavlik will bring out the best of Jermain, and he'll be eating good rights, all night especially off of counters. Pavlik has zero to no defense. Pavlik will come forward thinking he can KO Jermain and will get TKO'd or even put to sleep!! his workrate will leave so many opportunities for Jermain to counter. Jermain will be very offense this fight, and he will land that Big Right hand and Kelly will be looking up at him!

Taylor via TKO/KO!!

[Biggame]

Also you guys forget that against Miranda Pavlik was fighting a wild swinging punching bag. Pavlik will look very slow against Jermain, and he'll be eating straight right, that come right down the pipe, not form way outside. They will land much cleaner than Miranda's, and Pavlik will feel the affects immediately.

I can't wait for this fight to Happen!!

[Farmboxer]

Hopkins beat Taylor two times, the first fight Hopkins really kicked his ass, but Hopkins came out on top in both fights, the criminal judges helped Taylor. Winky beat Taylor, the criminal judges came to the rescue.

Pavlik can knock Taylor out, but the referee and at least two of the criminal judges will be in Taylor's corner.

[PACZ]

What Will Jim Lampley Say After Pavlik K.o.'s Him? You Know Lampley Loves Taylor.

[Ted Stickles]

I see Pavlik winning this one............

[perfume]

FACTS:

.Taylor has beaten Pavlik in the amateur
.Taylor has fought better competition
.Pavlik has been DOWN TWICE (to journeymen) in the pros
.Taylor has never been DOWN but only been stunned by Hopkins (an elite fighter)
.Zertuche was able to land clean shot on Pavlik. Needs to work on defense just like Taylor does.

[Danny]

I am so happy that Taylor continues to fight Elite competition, he backs down from no one, and after he get's finished with this bum expect a big fight at 168


Labelling Pavlik a bum is stronging it a bit, mate. I agree with you in that Taylor has and continues to fight the best opposition out there at MW. If Taylor wins, the fans who give him no credit will have no choice but to re-evaluate their take on him as a fighter.

What an exciting time we have ahead of us until years-end. Many big fights scheduled. I think Taylor vs Pavlik has to potential to be right up there, with both boxers able to produce a classic, memorable encounter.

This a very even, competetive fight. Pavlik does appear to be very hungry. I felt this opinion of him when he re-iterated his desire to face Taylor at 160lbs, for the MW title, rather than both move up to 168lbs.

[InHumanForm]

pavlik is what boxing needs and is way more marketable than taylor ever was. plus he took hard flush shots from miranda, the same man many people thought would KO taylor. i for one want to see jermain out cold.

[JETSKI]

FACTS:

.Taylor has beaten Pavlik in the amateur
.Taylor has fought better competition
.Pavlik has been DOWN TWICE (to journeymen) in the pros
.Taylor has never been DOWN but only been stunned by Hopkins (an elite fighter)
.Zertuche was able to land clean shot on Pavlik. Needs to work on defense just like Taylor does.

In the amateur's, Kelly was a baby at only 17 yrs old, while Taylor was a 20 yr old man & from what I understand, it was a close fight even then.

Better competition, so what. Look at each fighters KO percentage & see what that tells you.

So Zuniga dropped KP early in their fight. KP got off the canvas to take control & TKO his butt in 9. The KD by McCart was BS. Kelly was off balance & Bronco hit him in the shoulder. Pavlik touched the canvas with his gloves...not his ass. It was nothing.

Zertuche landed some clean shots. Good. Kelly went nowhere from them & Zertuche probably hits harder then Taylor. Why don't you talk about Zertuche's GRANITE CHIN??? Never down or never stopped in his career, until he made the mistake of fighting Pavlik.

I know your just trying to state the facts. But so am I.

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[BITCH ASS]

Pavlik has been down TWICE!!! are we forgetting this!!!

Taylor comp is better then Pavlik...are we forgetting this!!!

Do you think Pavlik can beat Ouma? No


I won't even mention B-Hop, Winky or Spinks...He'd get outboxed.

Pavlik would destroy Ouma.

Ouma is there to be hit and would come straight foward right into Pavlik.

This is a terrible matchup.

Taylor should have been able to beat Ouma as well, but he didn't use feints and telegraphed his right hand.

Ouma might have his moments against Pavlik, but in the end he'll be another opponent lieing on the canvas.

Styles make fights and Pavlik is a terrible style for Ouma.

[BITCH ASS]

FACTS:

.Taylor has beaten Pavlik in the amateur
.Taylor has fought better competition
.Pavlik has been DOWN TWICE (to journeymen) in the pros
.Taylor has never been DOWN but only been stunned by Hopkins (an elite fighter)
.Zertuche was able to land clean shot on Pavlik. Needs to work on defense just like Taylor does.

You also have to factor in that the Zertuche fight was the first fight where Pavlik was the featured fighter on HBO.

And after Pavlik loosened up in the midrounds he put a boxing lesson on Zertuche.

Although, it might have just been that Zertuche was TERRIFIED of Pavlik's power and just couldn't find the urge to go inside again.

And may I remind you that Zertuche is a guy that was never down in his career before Pavlik.

Pavlik KOed him while he was standing up.

[mrweddingdj]

You also have to factor in that the Zertuche fight was the first fight where Pavlik was the featured fighter on HBO.

And after Pavlik loosened up in the midrounds he put a boxing lesson on Zertuche.

Although, it might have just been that Zertuche was TERRIFIED of Pavlik's power and just couldn't find the urge to go inside again.

And may I remind you that Zertuche is a guy that was never down in his career before Pavlik.

Pavlik KOed him while he was standing up.

Pavlik KO 8

There's a new champ in Town!

[mrweddingdj]

I see Pavlik winning this one............

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[Boro chris]

I am so happy that Taylor continues to fight Elite competition, he backs down from no one, and after he get's finished with this bum expect a big fight at 168

Is Pavlik elite competition or a bum? Please make your mind up.

[brooklyn1550]

FACTS:

.Taylor has beaten Pavlik in the amateur
.Taylor has fought better competition
.Pavlik has been DOWN TWICE (to journeymen) in the pros
.Taylor has never been DOWN but only been stunned by Hopkins (an elite fighter)
.Zertuche was able to land clean shot on Pavlik. Needs to work on defense just like Taylor does.

1. Amateur's dont mean much at all...look at Cotto in the amateurs and how impressively he avenged those amateur losses as a pro.
2. Taylor has fought better competition:good
3. Pavlik has an excellent chin - he took bombs from Miranda and just keep coming.
4. Taylor has been stunned by Hopkins which isn't a bad thing to say, but Hopkins right hand and Pavlik's right hand are night and day
5. Zertuche was able to land clean shots and so will Taylor. The question is can he take Taylor's shots? I confidently say yes, but I doubt you can say the reverse.

If this is Taylor's last fight at 160, he will move up to 168 with a record of 27-1-1 (17)

[paulfv]

I think Pavlik is going to tear sh*t up in this fight. JT's been too lazy, fought too many cupcakes, is regressing, and is underestimating KP.

[mikeyc]

FACTS:

.Taylor has beaten Pavlik in the amateur
.Taylor has fought better competition
.Pavlik has been DOWN TWICE (to journeymen) in the pros
.Taylor has never been DOWN but only been stunned by Hopkins (an elite fighter)
.Zertuche was able to land clean shot on Pavlik. Needs to work on defense just like Taylor does.

Wonderful analyst work? Kelly was 17 & was nowhere near the physical presence he is now! Anybody see anything special in 40+ year old Hopkins? Or 35+ Winky that would keep Pavlik's onslaught from a KO? Competion, I give you belongs to the Middleweight champ, as it should. Pavlik and his agent Cameron Duncan had a hell of a time finding fights for this kid. kassim Ouma, tough as nails, but a small man who can't punch that backed Jermain up all night! Manny Steward is frustrated as hell w/ Taylor because he continues to do enough to win. All the worry will be over Sept. 29 cause the same Taylor will show up and lose Ko round 10! GHOST WATCHER!!!!!

[dcantwell]

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Pavlik By 8th Round Knockout, Search And Destroy, Bring The Title Home To Youngstown.

[Rock0052]

Kronk's fighters have had a hell of a run over the last couple of years...I get the feeling that's going to end come September, though.

[perfume]

5. Zertuche was able to land clean shots and so will Taylor. The question is can he take Taylor's shots? I confidently say yes, but I doubt you can say the reverse.

If this is Taylor's last fight at 160, he will move up to 168 with a record of 27-1-1 (17)


I can definately say YES about Taylor because he NEVER been down. I just did more research and Pavlik been down THREE times instead of two and they were to JOURNEYMEN. 17 year old Floyd Mayweather was beating up people older then him in the amateur so stop using Pavlik age as an excuse.

Taylor has been in there with the elite so Pavlik better bring more than power to the dance. Andy Lee is a better middleweight boxer then Pavlik and you know Taylor is getting excellent sparring from Lee as we speak.

[Goose]

Taylor's goin down

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[No1Taylorfan]

Is Pavlik elite competition or a bum? Please make your mind up.

I consider Pavlik elite competition.. but Taylor will still win....

He's just a better boxer, folks.

[Zakman]

Taylor's goin down

Indeed. Pavlik is gonna DESTROY him. There is a REASON that he's been facing light-hitters coming up from lower weights ever since Hopkins put him on queer street.

This is going to be a BRUTAL KO.....and probably rather early, too. No gift decision THIS time!!:-(

[platnumpapi]

every time jt fights its like christmas time, bhop is right when he says you have to ko taylor to beat him.meaning he always gets the benifit of the dout or gifts in fights.he did in the hopkins 1 and spinks and winky fights.

so kelly is going to have to ko him take the titles i hope he knows that, you cannot go 12rds with jt and win and its not because he out boxes you or out works you.

[perfume]

Indeed. Pavlik is gonna DESTROY him. There is a REASON that he's been facing light-hitters coming up from lower weights ever since Hopkins put him on queer street.

This is going to be a BRUTAL KO.....and probably rather early, too. No gift decision THIS time!!:-(


What the reason for him facing light-hitting boxers, do you know? No you don't, you are just assuming. There has never been reports of Taylor going down in sparring, he's never been down in the amateaus or pros. So what if he was stunned by B-Hop, if that the worst that has happen to him, then I can say JT beard is good. It took Pavlik 6 rounds to drop Miranda and JT is no Miranda.

Oh and Pavlik has been DROP three times, why do people keep negliecting this fact, his beard is questionable. Andy Lee is a better fighter than Pavlik and he giving JT excellent sparring...Hell JT spars with Cintron and Klitchko so you know he's feeling power.

Oh and everyone keeps mention these light-hitting fighter that JT has fought but it just so happens that these light-hitters are "ELITE" (B-Hop, Winky, Ouma, Spinks) who would play Pavlik.


Tell me Pavlik can beat any of these ELITES.....Hell tell me Pavlik can beat Andy Lee?

[silvy_chris]

J. Taylor is sooo shit shit 2 watch. hes a good boxer but from a spectators view i hate his style. hope he gets KTFO

[D-FENS]

I've thought that Taylor was overrated and still do. HBO tried to make him a star and he got a few gift decisions but it doesn't look like he is what HBO expected him to be. I would not be surprised if he gets TKOed.

[JETSKI]

Taylor's goin down

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AWESOME .gif's, dude! I really like the one with Kelly talking into the camera with blood & snot flying everywhere.

:happy

[JETSKI]

Are you fucking kidding me? :patsch Jeez. Some people must be born stupid.

Taylor couldn't even KO a fucking washed up William Joppy after hitting him with everything but the ring stood.

Taylor does not hit harder than Pavlik, not even close.

You tell 'em, Assassin! Look at that left arm. Its massive when he punches. It looks almost photoshopped, its so unreal. His Right hand is icing on the cake. It all starts with that left hand, though.

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[Biggame]

Are you fucking kidding me? :patsch Jeez. Some people must be born stupid.

Taylor couldn't even KO a fucking washed up William Joppy after hitting him with everything but the ring stood.

Taylor does not hit harder than Pavlik, not even close.

Not at all buddy:nono And please chill w/the corny insults!!

If Jermain and Pavlik switched up resume's Jermain would still be undefeated w/just as many KO's, but would Pavlik?...Nah and you know he wouldn't!! Don't take his high work rate, and the fact that he has a high KO% and assume he hits harder than everyone. Anyone w/decent power and that resume should have that kind ok KO%. He stopped Miranda a fighter who looked like shit that night, but if you ask me Miranda's there to be beat up w/his lack of defense. Shit... he damn near hit Miranda w/everything he threw, and eventually everyone will go down.

It's funny how you guys criticize Taylor for his fights w/guys like Hopkins, Joppy, Ouma, Winky, and Spinks, but all these guya s are light yrs ahead of anyone on Pavlik's resume:deal If you guys are counting on Pavlik's power you might as well count yourself out!!!

[Drew101]

Taylor's main problem is his tendency to box with the boxers, and slug with the sluggers. But, he possesses faster hands than Pavlik, his defence is better, and I really don't think his chin is as bad as people think.

Taylor can keep Pavlik on the end of his jab, and box his way to a convincing UD, or, if he chooses to slug, I think his edge in handspeed will be enough to beat Pavlik to the punch on a consistant basis.

JT's been in with a number of high-quality fighters who make a living out of making their opponents look worse than they actually are. In Pavlik, he'll be facing a fighter whose style ensures that this might not be as much of a problem.

Taylor wins...and, for once, he does so in impressive fashion.

[Zakman]

the big question for me is, can taylor fight going back..?

does he have a quality chin..?

will taylor listen to his corner, and thereby be able ad******g his gameplan..?

for me its no..

when analysing this matchup the resumes really isnt that important, we know taylor easely has the best..

but what i find more interesting, is the reaction of the fighters in certain fights..

taylor laying on the ropes against winky..

hopkins increasing his work rate just alittle bit, and troubleing taylor..

i just feel these weaknesses will be further elaborated on, when he steps in the ring with pavlik..

pavlik seems like a fighter, thats in there with his pride and life depending on it.

om going by pavlik stoppage within 6 rounds

Excellent analysis. There HAVE to be some serious questions about Taylor's chin. Why else would DiBella intentionally select light-hitting fighters coming up from lower weight classes after Hopkins had him rocked.

Pavlik's gonna show us why. Taylor is gonna hit the canvas early, and often.:yep

[Biggame]

Taylor's main problem is his tendency to box with the boxers, and slug with the sluggers. But, he possesses faster hands than Pavlik, his defence is better, and I really don't think his chin is as bad as people think.

Taylor can keep Pavlik on the end of his jab, and box his way to a convincing UD, or, if he chooses to slug, I think his edge in handspeed will be enough to beat Pavlik to the punch on a consistant basis.

JT's been in with a number of high-quality fighters who make a living out of making their opponents look worse than they actually are. In Pavlik, he'll be facing a fighter whose style ensures that this might not be as much of a problem.

Taylor wins...and, for once, he does so in impressive fashion.

:good

[mikeyc]

What the reason for him facing light-hitting boxers, do you know? No you don't, you are just assuming. There has never been reports of Taylor going down in sparring, he's never been down in the amateaus or pros. So what if he was stunned by B-Hop, if that the worst that has happen to him, then I can say JT beard is good. It took Pavlik 6 rounds to drop Miranda and JT is no Miranda.

Oh and Pavlik has been DROP three times, why do people keep negliecting this fact, his beard is questionable. Andy Lee is a better fighter than Pavlik and he giving JT excellent sparring...Hell JT spars with Cintron and Klitchko so you know he's feeling power.

Oh and everyone keeps mention these light-hitting fighter that JT has fought but it just so happens that these light-hitters are "ELITE" (B-Hop, Winky, Ouma, Spinks) who would play Pavlik.


Tell me Pavlik can beat any of these ELITES.....Hell tell me Pavlik can beat Andy Lee?

Now we all know you are a JOKE! I don't care how tough you think JT is he's not getting hit by a 6'6" 250 lb.Klitschko & Kermit Cintron is 5'7" and fights 147lb, not a hair on Pavlik's ass! Keep talking about one flash knockdown that Pavlik had against Zuniga if it makes you feel better. JT has fought world class comp., but not with the fury Pavlik brings. Pavlik doesn't have one-punch power, but everything hurts & over the course of the fight he will wear you out (80-90 punches/round). No wonder Jt hasn't been down here's the last time his last 5 opp. KO'd someone (FYI!!!) 1.) Spinks-2-23-01 Dennis Allen
2.) Winky Wright-2-2-02 Jason Papillion
3.) Kassim Ouma-1-27-06 Francisco Mora
4.) B-Hop(2x)- 9-18-04 Oscar De LaHoya
& Oh Ya Jt's Last KO 2-9-05 Daniel Edourd

[Biggame]

Now we all know you are a JOKE! I don't care how tough you think JT is he's not getting hit by a 6'6" 250 lb.Klitschko & Kermit Cintron is 5'7" and fights 147lb, not a hair on Pavlik's ass! Keep talking about one flash knockdown that Pavlik had against Zuniga if it makes you feel better. JT has fought world class comp., but not with the fury Pavlik brings. Pavlik doesn't have one-punch power, but everything hurts & over the course of the fight he will wear you out (80-90 punches/round). No wonder Jt hasn't been down here's the last time his last 5 opp. KO'd someone (FYI!!!) 1.) Spinks-2-23-01 Dennis Allen
2.) Winky Wright-2-2-02 Jason Papillion
3.) Kassim Ouma-1-27-06 Francisco Mora
4.) B-Hop(2x)- 9-18-04 Oscar De LaHoya
& Oh Ya Jt's Last KO 2-9-05 Daniel Edourd

Don't embarass yourself like that. Cintron is closer to 5'11, but you're calling someone a joke!!!:huh

:-(

[perfume]

Now we all know you are a JOKE! I don't care how tough you think JT is he's not getting hit by a 6'6" 250 lb.Klitschko & Kermit Cintron is 5'7" and fights 147lb, not a hair on Pavlik's ass! Keep talking about one flash knockdown that Pavlik had against Zuniga if it makes you feel better. JT has fought world class comp., but not with the fury Pavlik brings. Pavlik doesn't have one-punch power, but everything hurts & over the course of the fight he will wear you out (80-90 punches/round). No wonder Jt hasn't been down here's the last time his last 5 opp. KO'd someone (FYI!!!) 1.) Spinks-2-23-01 Dennis Allen
2.) Winky Wright-2-2-02 Jason Papillion
3.) Kassim Ouma-1-27-06 Francisco Mora
4.) B-Hop(2x)- 9-18-04 Oscar De LaHoya
& Oh Ya Jt's Last KO 2-9-05 Daniel Edourd


Mikeyc is an idiot.

Manny Stewart is quoted as saying he has all of his boxers in the same training camp sparring with each other. Manny has said that :

Lee sparred with Klitchko, Cintron and Taylor
Klitchko sparred with Lee , Cintron And Taylor
Cintron sparred with Lee, Klitchko and Taylor...

you see the pattern here. Manny trains them all in the Poconos together so he can maximize his session and give them ELITE sparring. I heard him say this with my own ears...don't believe me, google it.


All of the light-hitter you keep refering too WOULD BEAT PAVLIK. Bedburdick, Zuniga and Mckart...do those names mean anything to you? Well here a hint *whispers* (they are journeymen who DROP Pavlik).

C'mon tell me, sh*t Pavlik can't even beat Andy Lee. But to keep on course, tell me Pavlik would get away with fighting the way he fight against Hopkins, Winky would school him, Ouma throws 100 punches a round and if Zertuche could hit it him, so would Ouma and Spinks (who I loathe) would just outslick him.

Taylor been in there with the Elite, it going to take more then one punch to beat him.

Did I mention Taylor never been down.

[Bazooka]

Fuck no Taylor isnt doing shit in this fight but showing up to get a check and knocked the fuck out seriously. Why do you think Taylor and his people say they are ready to move up in weight? its a great excuse to use after you get your ass beat.

[Tuavale]

Taylor vs Pavlik: Pavlik is TOO HUNGRY

Forget too Hungry - he's too good. Rupaul Taylor will get hammered and everyone around him knows it. Emanuel knows this is the quickest way to get Taylor off his hands. Steward wants to move Irishman Andy Lee. :fire

[paulfv]

Taylor has beaten Pavlik in the amateur


See: Biggs, Tyrell and Tyson, Mike: amateur fights' relevance to pro fights.

[Toopretty]

pavlik is not that good of a boxer. He is very easy to hit but he has a good chin and is an emotionless clear minded fighter. The guy is cool as a fan always. He has confidence but is not arrogant. However, Taylor by far is the better boxer. And Palvike DOES HAVE MORE POWER IN BOTH HANDS. But that only means something when you are fighting bums or other idiot sluggers like miranda who ate his punches clean like a retard. But anyway. Pavlik fought some SUPER TOMATO CANS. and he knocked them out impressively as he should I mean his highlights are against mops.. Joppy is quality and JT whooped his ass. JT is not a smart fighter and is emotional. If Pavlik hits him with a good shot..JT will retaliate like dumb ass miranda rather then keep his composure and time pavlik with a good counter punch that pavlik is open for after the throws every punch. Its any mans fight. Both have the tools to beat each other. If JT sticks the jab and moves pavlik will not look good at all. What size ring? This matters to me too. If it is a 18-20 ft it is ok for taylor but anything less is HUGE for pavlik. I WILL BE THERE, GOT my tickets

[paulfv]

I WILL BE THERE, GOT my tickets

Awesome! Have fun and give us the full ringside report. :thumbsup

[Toopretty]

Awesome! Have fun and give us the full ringside report. :thumbsup

will do, I will record with my phone and I know when something BIG is going to happen I will try and catch it. As well as photos with some boxers and HOF guys that are sure to be there. I think its going to be possible fight of the year.

[perfume]

It's an exciting fight but JT has fought quality opponent so I give him a Huge edge. I completely forgot Joppy was on his resume.

The amateur sometimes don't mean anything (see Cotto Abvaleav) but sometimes they do (see Forrest Mosely).

[Rock0052]

I WILL BE THERE, GOT my tickets

Congrats man, have a hell of a time there. It should be a definite FOTY candidate :good

[perfume]

I'm going to try to get ticketrs myself

[mikeyc]

[quote=Biggame]Don't embarass yourself like that. Cintron is closer to 5'11, but you're calling someone a joke!!!:huh


All that time & that's what you came up with????????????????
So I'll give you 5'9" I have a pic w/ him fom Memphis but he's still 147!

:think :think :think

[mikeyc]

I'm going to try to get ticketrs myself



I'll see ya ringside- For the NEW MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMP!!!!!!!!!!
I will be posting pics throughout Pavlik's training camp for those who are interested!!!

[sandwichsurgeon]

You're right, Pavliks weight issue could be a factor

[DoumB]

I am so happy that Taylor continues to fight Elite competition, he backs down from no one, and after he get's finished with this bum expect a big fight at 168

:lol: the funny part is that taylor will prolly get knocked out in this one, Pavlik is far better then some give him credit here while taylor is overrated as shit

[perfume]

The one knockdown wasn't even from a punch, watch the fucking replay you queer. Have you even saw the fight? or are you a boxrec bitch? As for the second one, I've never seen that one.

Yes, Taylor's comp is better than Pavliks but by your logic you CAN ONLY BEAT someone if you've fought better competition. Trinidad had fought better competition until Hopkins derailed him. Larios had fought better comp until Linares smoked his ass. Those are just a few examples.

Are you fucking kidding me? Ouma should be fighting at 147 pounds for crying out loud. :lol:

Pavlik is all wrong for Ouma, the way he comes straight in is asking to be flattened by Pavlik. No contest.

:deal



A knockdown is a knockdown, Pavlik shouldn't have been off-balance against Bronco. Oh and Pavlik has 3 knockdowns in his career against journeymen you fag.


I'm not saying Taylor can beat Pavlik based on his competition, I'm just saying that Taylor has fought better comp. Taylor record would look fabulous too if he has fought the competition (journeymen) that Pavlik has been munching on. Oh and I do use boxrec as part of my research but it isn't my only source of research you cocksucker.

[dcantwell]

Could not have said it any better.... Thanks Capfunds.

[HauntingTheHoly]

Excellent analysis. There HAVE to be some serious questions about Taylor's chin. Why else would DiBella intentionally select light-hitting fighters coming up from lower weight classes after Hopkins had him rocked.

Pavlik's gonna show us why. Taylor is gonna hit the canvas early, and often.:yep


You think DiBella selecting small fighters indicates a problem with JT's CHIN??? Are you fucking DAFT? The reason that cunning, greedy, cocksucker DiBella picked small fighters for JT is b/c they looked ripe for having their heads knocked-off, and KO's increase the value (the money a fighter can generate in his future fights) of your fighter. I thought that was just obvious to everyone and you have an awfully high post count to be missing something as transparent as this. Oh yes, there HAS to be a problem with his chin! :lol:

And in case you haven't figured out the reasoning for THIS fight, it is as follows: 1)Pavlik was agreeable to DiBella's terms. 2) DiBella figures Taylor's chances of winning are good. 3) Because the past two "ripe" fights back fired on him and Taylor perhaps lost a little value, it's essential he not have a third disappointing fight in a row - and no matter what this fight should not be boring. Even if Taylor loses, if it's a great fight it won't be a disaster for his career. The only disaster would be if he gets slaughtered easily and that's a risk low enough to not enter the equation.

[FiveStoneFists]

I have not been impressed with Taylor's opposition after Bhop. Wright is a career light middleweight with no power, the fact the fight was close is more a credit to him than to him. This is an excusable fight, but Ouma and Spinks were really disapointing.

Ouma was already overrated as 154 pounder, volume puncher with limited size and power. Spinks was a runner with a questionable beard and power at 147, these opponents were tailormade. Also, before Hops how good was his competition.

His power is definately not were it should be for a dominant boxer-puncher. He is not a slapper, but he does a lack a concussive punch. Since Hopkins Taylor has been fighting blown up light middles with has last opponent being a blown up welterweight.

As Taylor has always been a big middleweight this was an advantage, which he did not take advantage of. The Pavlik fight is therefore a step forward imo. Hopkins unified the division, and Taylor splintered it somewhat, the winner should fight Abraham imo.

I think Pavlik will win within the distance between round 7 - 10. If it goes to the cards I expect Taylor to get the nod based on workrate and the early rounds. Imo Taylor is overrated, he is not a bad champion, but he is not as good as some have been making him out.

p.s. the winner should get some respect.

[Drew101]

I have not been impressed with Taylor's opposition after Bhop. Wright is a career light middleweight with no power, the fact the fight was close is more a credit to him than to him. This is an excusable fight, but Ouma and Spinks were really disapointing.

Ouma was already overrated as 154 pounder, volume puncher with limited size and power. Spinks was a runner with a questionable beard and power at 147, these opponents were tailormade. Also, before Hops how good was his competition.

His power is definately not were it should be for a dominant boxer-puncher. He is not a slapper, but he does a lack a concussive punch. Since Hopkins Taylor has been fighting blown up light middles with has last opponent being a blown up welterweight.

As Taylor has always been a big middleweight this was an advantage, which he did not take advantage of. The Pavlik fight is therefore a step forward imo. Hopkins unified the division, and Taylor splintered it somewhat, the winner should fight Abraham imo.

I think Pavlik will win within the distance between round 7 - 10. If it goes to the cards I expect Taylor to get the nod based on workrate and the early rounds. Imo Taylor is overrated, he is not a bad champion, but he is not as good as some have been making him out.

p.s. the winner should get some respect.

Just a couple of points to make...

* Wright may have limited power, but he was most definitely a middleweight by the time that he met JT. He had already defeated Soliman in an eliminator, and looked to be, by far, the larger of the two against a fighter who had spent much of his career fighting at middleweight and above.

* And, there's no way that Taylor could be blamed for splintering a title when the sanctioning body in question (IBF) strips a fighter simply for winning the title. Hopkins was the undisputed champion, and the fact that Taylor beat him makes him the legitimate champion in the division...no questions asked.

Abraham is a very good fighter, and a legitimate contender, but, as of now, Taylor is the champion in the division, until someone happens to beat him.

[JETSKI]

I'll see ya ringside- For the NEW MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMP!!!!!!!!!!
I will be posting pics throughout Pavlik's training camp for those who are interested!!!

Has camp started yet? I remembering reading KP was gonna train for 7 weeks. Well, today the fight is about 7 weeks away.

Get those pic's & lets see 'em here, Mikeyc!!!

:happy

[Quik]

Pavlik is much stronger than the overated taylor. I think Pavlik's punches will slow down Taylor and he won't be able to keep up 12 rounds. Taylor will win the firsts rounds but but Pavlik will take the lead after the 5th and its gonna be over for Taylor who will be TKOed arround the 10th. He should not move at 168 because even thought he has talent, i don't think he can beat guys like Kessler, Bute or Calzaghe. He might have some succes but becoming champion is out of the question at 168.

[mikeyc]

Has camp started yet? I remembering reading KP was gonna train for 7 weeks. Well, today the fight is about 7 weeks away.

Get those pic's & lets see 'em here, Mikeyc!!!

:happy
He's going to workout 3-4 days this week-When sparring starts I'll have plenty of pics!!!! I'll keep you up on whose coming in for sparring as well-Can't wait!! Kelly also signed w/ the clothing line Affliction. They are supposed to be making a "Ghost" line available @ Macy's!

[JETSKI]

He's going to workout 3-4 days this week-When sparring starts I'll have plenty of pics!!!! I'll keep you up on whose coming in for sparring as well-Can't wait!! Kelly also signed w/ the clothing line Affliction. They are supposed to be making a "Ghost" line available @ Macy's!

Thanks for the update. Keep us posted on any big or little news the local Ohio media bombarreds you with. And your pic's don't have to be of Kelly only sparring. Hell, I'd like to see some pic's of him skipping rope, hittting the speed/heavy bag, banging that tire with the sledge hammer, etc., etc.

Yesterday, I spoke with JRD (John), who is taking care of some promotional things. He told me if I come out to Youngstown, I'm welcome to attend his training session. Too bad its about a 7 hour drive.

How long does it take to get from Youngstown to Pittsburgh? I know about how long it would take me to get to Pitt. from NJ.

Thanx:thumbsup

:good

[JETSKI]

Pittsburgh to Youngstown is about a 90 minute drive.

:good
So just like I figured, about 7 hours.:tired

[jsimps]

pitt to y-town is less than an hour.

[marauder1999]

Cons of Taylor

1. Consistent back pedalling
2. Drops his left an awful lot. The last spinks fight he barely even had it chest level.
3. His psyche is damaged from the last 2 fighters in which he clearly didnt go toe to toe with and was afraid to get hit.

Pros of Pavlik

1. He sticks to the gameplan and will pressure taylor making him fight off of his back foot.

2. Pavlik is bigger. He is no longer the 17 year old kid that taylor beat up early in his amateur career. Pavlik is now the bigger man and will showcase it.

3. Pavliks best punch thrown is his right. Ask his last opponent Miranda and the never knocked out-"Zeurtche" add that to the fact that taylor is dropping his left---ouch!


A year or 2 ago i read pavlik saying that he would fight godzilla to get to Taylor.

This Thread starter headline is the exact reason why pavlik is going to pummel Taylor.

[Thor]

Cons of Taylor

1. Consistent back pedalling
2. Drops his left an awful lot. The last spinks fight he barely even had it chest level.
3. His psyche is damaged from the last 2 fighters in which he clearly didnt go toe to toe with and was afraid to get hit.

Pros of Pavlik

1. He sticks to the gameplan and will pressure taylor making him fight off of his back foot.

2. Pavlik is bigger. He is no longer the 17 year old kid that taylor beat up early in his amateur career. Pavlik is now the bigger man and will showcase it.

3. Pavliks best punch thrown is his right. Ask his last opponent Miranda and the never knocked out-"Zeurtche" add that to the fact that taylor is dropping his left---ouch!


A year or 2 ago i read pavlik saying that he would fight godzilla to get to Taylor.

This Thread starter headline is the exact reason why pavlik is going to pummel Taylor.

Yeah, we all know that nobody wants to go "toe to toe" with Spinks because of his awesome punching power. :roll: The other points are valid though, BUT Taylor is going to win.

[JETSKI]

Yeah, we all know that nobody wants to go "toe to toe" with Spinks because of his awesome punching power. :roll: The other points are valid though, BUT Taylor is going to win.

No way, Jose!:D

[Alo2006]

Taylor is going to end all of this Pavlik hype :yep

[marauder1999]

Taylor is going to end all of this Pavlik hype :yep

Just like miranda did huh?

[Alo2006]

Just like miranda did huh?

Taylor ain't Miranda. He 's not going to just stand there and swing wild like a girl :yep Pavlik will get hit with more accurate punches :bbb

[Doc BNB]

Taylor ain't Miranda. He 's not going to just stand there and swing wild like a girl :yep Pavlik will get hit with more accurate punches :bbb

Taylor may be more accurate than Miranda, but that's not saying too much. I think he has to get his workrate up a bit to have any chance of cleaarly winnig this fight. I say clearly because that's been his biggest hurdle as champion.

[Zakman]

Taylor ain't Miranda. He 's not going to just stand there and swing wild like a girl :yep Pavlik will get hit with more accurate punches :bbb

Oh, please. Taylor can't seem to win fights against old men and junior middleweights without getting a gift decision. A real, prime MW like Pavlik is going to expose this HBO hype job bigtime.

In fact, I'm betting that there is a REASON why Taylor and Dibella chose nothing by light-hitting fighters from lower weight classes - and that's that Taylor simply doesn't take a MW punch.

Pavlik by brutal early knockout. :nod

[JETSKI]

Taylor ain't Miranda. He 's not going to just stand there and swing wild like a girl :yep Pavlik will get hit with more accurate punches :bbb

And Taylor will get hit with more punches then in his last 4 fights combined. Think about that.

[Rock0052]

He's going to workout 3-4 days this week-When sparring starts I'll have plenty of pics!!!! I'll keep you up on whose coming in for sparring as well-Can't wait!! Kelly also signed w/ the clothing line Affliction. They are supposed to be making a "Ghost" line available @ Macy's!

sweet :good

[perfume]

I like Pavlik but Taylor has the intangibles to win. When you elite fighters, it get harder to win convincingly.

Pavlik would have a hard time with B-Hop, Winky, Ouma and Spinks. Hell I don't think he would beat any of them.

[JETSKI]

I like Pavlik but Taylor has the intangibles to win. When you elite fighters, it get harder to win convincingly.

Pavlik would have a hard time with B-Hop, Winky, Ouma and Spinks. Hell I don't think he would beat any of them.

That's your opinion & a valid one. I, personally thinks he KO's them all, except, maybe, B Hop. But a UD there.

Can't you guys see the power he generates? I know he's sloppy, but thats part of his high workrate style, kinda like Calzaghe slaps. He just keep's throwing (with better technique than Joe C.), until he lands that sweet one. And it will happen. Its only a matter of time. His leverage creates so much power & he hits through is target like an assassin. Plus, he showed he can take a whallop. Miranda landed plenty solid & Kelly went nowhere.

[nezy37]

The reason I see Taylor winning this fight is that Pavlic's style works well in Taylor's favor. Taylor has been fighting defensive fighters lately, with the exception of Ouma. Pavlic will be available for Taylor to hit and he will hit him often.

[Franchise_411]

For some reason I forsee Pavlik getting screwed on scorecards in this fight.

[perfume]

That's your opinion & a valid one. I, personally thinks he KO's them all, except, maybe, B Hop. But a UD there.

Ouma has only been stop once, in his 2nd pro fight. Ouma throws 100 punches around and he pressure. Winky D couldn't be broken by Taylor or B-Hop (he used other "tactic" to "win")....no way Pavlik with his experience is getting through.

Spink ( I loathe him) but he makes you look bad and he's a RUNNER, can pavlik cut the ring off effectively to stop him. No way he beats B-Hop...His chin is proven and he would neutralize everyone of Pavlik strengths.

He might beat Spinks or Ouma but no way he beats Winky or B-Hop...They would put him throught hell...those four are not Edison Miranda, McKart, Zertuche, Pierre, and Zuniga....Those four are ELITES plus Kelly been dropped 3 times already as a pro against journeymen.... Taylor never been down.


I don't think Pavlik can beat Andy Lee.

[Rock0052]

Taylor's never been down, but none of his past resume of fighters, great as his competition has been, were knockout artists. I'm not going to knock the names on Taylor's resume- anybody will agree he's fought the better comp. They're just different types of fighters.

Thus, that's no guarantee that will make much of a difference when Taylor faces off against a totally different animal; Pavlik's not out to win 115-113- Pavlik's out to destroy him. Neither Hopkins or Winky fought for the KO. That's why it will be a FOTY candidate- either Taylor will have to fight for everything he's worth, or he'll get knocked out. That's the kind of worry he hasn't had, and who knows? Maybe that will bring out the best in Jermain.

I will say this much: it doesn't do Taylor many favors when guys like Ouma and Spinks were defeated much more handily by fighters at lighter weights. That's why people started turning on him- it's not that he couldn't get the knockout, it's that he didn't even bother to try. Hell, it almost cost him against The Roadrunner because alot of people had Taylor losing that "fight".

All in all, I respect both fighters. I am picking Pavlik to knock Taylor out though, if only because I'm not so sure you can just "turn the switch on" to fight against Pavlik if you haven't been in that kind of a war. I think Pavlik's going to take him outside his comfort zone and stop him.

Also, Kelly's chin is solid. I rewatched the fight against Pantera, and he absorbed some solid blows without much reaction. He also showed better defense than I remember when I initially watched it. Taylor's going to have to seriously triple (hell, maybe even quadruple) his recent workrate to get his shots in- can he last at that rate for the entire fight?

[perfume]

Taylor's never been down, but none of his past resume of fighters, great as his competition has been, were knockout artists. I'm not going to knock the names on Taylor's resume- anybody will agree he's fought the better comp. They're just different types of fighters.


Taylor has fought some knockout artist in his career, just not recently and Taylor resume would look spectacular too if he's fought the kind of comp Pavlik has fought.

Taylor can turn it on....watch Buhema and Edourd.

[MacManJr.]

Oh come on. Just admit that Taylor's power is NOWHERE near what it's made out to be. He couldn't even KO washed up Joppy, a guy that was plastered in 5 rounds in his prime by welterweight Trinidad.Pound for pound Tito is 1 of the hardest punches I have ever seen!

[mikeyc]

Taylor has fought some knockout artist in his career, just not recently and Taylor resume would look spectacular too if he's fought the kind of comp Pavlik has fought.

Taylor can turn it on....watch Buhema and Edourd.

Knockout artists??? Who Marquez, Joppy, Hopkins, Bunema, Brewer, Ouma, Edouard?????? If those are the Ko artists you compare Pavlik to you and Taylor are in for a rude awakening!!! Like opp. Pavlik Ko'd Brewer in 2- Taylor UD8, Beaupierre & Edourd fought twice to a draw-Pavlik Ko2 Beaupierre & Taylor KO3 Edouard. Can't wait till Sept.29 For the new Middleweight Champ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ramshall1]

Im a J Taylor fan but if Pavlik wins I wouldnt be mad. . . this kid is great for boxing.

[BITCH ASS]

I like Pavlik but Taylor has the intangibles to win. When you elite fighters, it get harder to win convincingly.

Pavlik would have a hard time with B-Hop, Winky, Ouma and Spinks. Hell I don't think he would beat any of them.

Ouma?

How in the fuck would Pavlik not beat Ouma?

Ouma is made for a guy like Pavlik. He comes staright foward, lacks power, and tries to swarm all over his man.

Pavlik would kill him with right hands as he's coming in.

[Alo2006]

And Taylor will get hit with more punches then in his last 4 fights combined. Think about that.

Pavlik will bring the best out of Taylor. Taylor by UD.

[lillarry]

September 29 cannot come quick enough imo. Its going to be a great day when the Pavlik train is derailed. Some of you guys are making him out to be the next SRR. Please stop with all this hype and wait for your boy to prove something.

[Rock0052]

September 29 cannot come quick enough imo. Its going to be a great day when the Pavlik train is derailed. Some of you guys are making him out to be the next SRR. Please stop with all this hype and wait for your boy to prove something.

If Jermain wins, I'll be the first one on here to congratulate him. A sub-par effort won't get the job done and he'll have to fight a great fight to get the W. And, fair or not, how he responds to the pressure in this fight will go a long way towards how he's viewed as a middleweight legacy wise- even if Pavlik doesn't bring the polish or the resume of Hopkins or Winky.

[mikeyc]

September 29 cannot come quick enough imo. Its going to be a great day when the Pavlik train is derailed. Some of you guys are making him out to be the next SRR. Please stop with all this hype and wait for your boy to prove something.

We've heard and read about Taylor since the 2000 Olympics, but that was O.K.? He had an HBO contract from early on, but that's O.K.??? Well guess what- It's time for the young undefaeted KO artist to get his props!!! War PAVLIK!!!!!

[perfume]

the 29th will answer alot of questions.

[lillarry]

the 29th will answer alot of questions.


Way to go out there on a ledge buddy:roll:

[Lacyace]

Pavlik is TOO HUNGRY
Don't worry, Taylor is about to serve him.

[perfume]

Way to go out there on a ledge buddy:roll:



phuck you!!!

[DanePugilist]

Pavlik has great power, wide range of combos, great chin and can control a fight. He is pretty sloppy though, and his defence needs some work.

Taylor has low workrate, decent power, good handspeed when he choose to(which is rare due to low workrate). He is in trouble everytime he moves backwards - his footwork isn't too great either, nor his precision.

Unless Taylor has an awesome chin, he will go down. He might be able to negate Pavlik in an ugly fight - and sway the judges if it goes close.

[Zakman]

Unless Taylor has an awesome chin, he will go down. He might be able to negate Pavlik in an ugly fight - and sway the judges if it goes close.

Well, Taylor's HBO connections are bound to sway the judges if it's close - just like in the Hopkins and Wright fights!

But, since it is doubtful Taylor has an "awesome chin," it's far more likely that the HBO judges won't get their chance this time. There is a REASON he's been fighting light-hitters from the lower weights ever since Hopkins rocked him! Pavlik's gonna show us exactly what that reason is! :nod

[Thor]

Well, Taylor's HBO connections are bound to sway the judges if it's close - just like in the Hopkins and Wright fights!

But, since it is doubtful Taylor has an "awesome chin," it's far more likely that the HBO judges won't get their chance this time. There is a REASON he's been fighting light-hitters from the lower weights ever since Hopkins rocked him! Pavlik's gonna show us exactly what that reason is! :nod

Blah, blah, blah. Chin this, gift decision that. Your upence is coming very soon.

[Zakman]

Blah, blah, blah. Chin this, gift decision that. Your upence is coming very soon.
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

We'll see about that!!!!:hi:

Three weeks til Taylor falls! :yep :deal

[Toopretty]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

We'll see about that!!!!:hi:

Three weeks til Taylor falls! :yep :deal

:nut

[perfume]

But Taylor never been down..Pavlik has...four times as a pro.

[marauder1999]

But Taylor never been down..Pavlik has...four times as a pro.

And out of those 4 times how many fights has he lost??

0---thats how many.

[jsimps]

(Pavlik v Miranda landed an average of 29 power punches per round, more than double the middleweight avg. Overall, landed 242 of 539 total punches (45%) to 111 of 504 (22%) for Miranda. That’s an avg. of 81 total punches thrown per round for Pavlik. The middleweight avg. is 57 total punches thrown per round. Landed 193 of 418 power shots (46%) to 90 of 345 (26%) for Miranda.)

(Taylor avg’d just 27 total punches thrown per round, landing 8 per round. Overall, landed 101 of 319 (32%) total punches to 85 of 542 (16%) for Spinks. How bad was it?- they combined to land 93 power punches all night!!! Pavlik landed 89 power shots vs. Miranda in rounds four thru six. Taylor & Spinks combined to land double digits in power shots in just four rounds.

Taylor has no work rate. Doesn't avg 40 punches per round. Mostly fought jMW's. Rogelio Martinez, Alex Bunema, Raul Marquez, Kassim Ouma, Cory Spinks.

True MW's- William Joppy, B-Hop, Winky

I don't know how JT will react to the constant pressure and KP's strength.

[nrgetic]

Pavlik is a solid fighter, hard straight puncher but he is easy to hit and his hand speed is not stellar. Taylor will beat Pavlik to the punch and KO him

[nrgetic]

Mirandas power was way off in his fight with Pavlik so people are getting carried away. Miranda was out on his feet just walking into the ring

[jsimps]

How the hell do we know Miranda's power was off, because he said so. Isn't this the same man who said he wanted to fight both Pavlik and Taylor in the same night? Pantera2000 my ass. More like 2000 excuses.

[nrgetic]

who gives a fuck? has Taylor fought any punchers? No.

Pavlik fought Miranda and took FLUSH murderous right hands and continued to walk through them. Taylor got stunned pretty good by a hopkins right and Bernard doesn't have the power he did 10 years ago.

Miranda was throwing cream puffs in that fight, I don't know if it was because he was weight drained or just gun shy from getting hit but Pavlik had little to worry himself about regarding Mirandas power because in the in the fight the power from Miranda just wasn't there at all

[nrgetic]

How the hell do we know Miranda's power was off, because he said so. Isn't this the same man who said he wanted to fight both Pavlik and Taylor in the same night? Pantera2000 my ass. More like 2000 excuses.

Actually Miranda gave Pavlik credit for his win and did not offer excuses, you can watch the fight and compare Mirandas power to that of his previous fight and it is obvious his power was lower. This is just as well as I won money betting on Pavlik that night

Against Taylor Pavlik will be exposed. Pavlik will get hit readily and Taylor has good defensive skills so I see a wide point decision for Taylor

[marauder1999]

Miranda was throwing cream puffs in that fight, I don't know if it was because he was weight drained or just gun shy from getting hit but Pavlik had little to worry himself about regarding Mirandas power because in the in the fight the power from Miranda just wasn't there at all

STFU already--I guess only Miranda needed to make weight huh? I guess Miranda was the only one that was drained huh? Give it up already--quit making excuses for the man. He got his ass handed to him fair and square. I guess you sparred with him before the fight to feel his weight drained punches huh? Geez.

[PH|LLA]

Pavlik telegraphs his power punches and i think Taylor will take advantage