Overrated "Close" Fights

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Hagler-Duran: Hagler won 10-11 rounds. The judges were drunk that night.

Gatti-Ward trilogy: Gatti won 80% of the rounds in this overrated trilogy.

Holyfield-Foreman: Foreman fought better than expected, and was competitive, but it wasn't nearly as close as many like to make it out to be.

Hagler-Mugabi: Hagler jabbed Mugabi silly and then gave him a beating up close in the later rounds, although he took some hard shots in return.

[Liston3]

Ward- Augustus- it was a good fight, but ward clearly won, but some people claim it was very close

[The Italarican]

Are we talking about overrated as in:

1. They weren't as close as people say they were
2. They weren't as good of fights as people say they were
3. A combination of both

[Vantage_West]

Hagler-Duran: Hagler won 10-11 rounds. The judges were drunk that night.

Gatti-Ward trilogy: Gatti won 80% of the rounds in this overrated trilogy.
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duran did win that night im sure of it it was a great showing from a great puncher who for one night only turned into a counterpunching genius.

hagler won the later rounds but duran won enough rounds to get the card.

and the gatti - ward trilogy:admin ...your right:D gatti was by far better with his shots and just took alot of fire

the first fight was amazing but the rest...i dunno ward said himself that he cant remember any bit of the III fight...nor can i

[Vantage_West]

Ward- Augustus- it was a good fight, but ward clearly won, but some people claim it was very closenah it was a close fight ward won on the knockdown.

augustus had ward in loads of awkward positions ward didnt know what to do...i still feel augustus got that by a very close but clear ud

[Sonny Carson]

duran did win that night im sure of it it was a great showing from a great puncher who for one night only turned into a counterpunching genius.

hagler won the later rounds but duran won enough rounds to get the card.

You musta been takin those drinks straight to the head while you were watchin that fight.

[Cookie]

Hagler-Duran: Hagler won 10-11 rounds. The judges were drunk that night.

Gatti-Ward trilogy: Gatti won 80% of the rounds in this overrated trilogy.

Holyfield-Foreman: Foreman fought better than expected, and was competitive, but it wasn't nearly as close as many like to make it out to be.

Hagler-Mugabi: Hagler jabbed Mugabi silly and then gave him a beating up close in the later rounds, although he took some hard shots in return.

I agree with all of those actually. Especially Hagler-Duran. I thought Hagler racked up a convincing score in the end. Although it was always a competitive fight. That's the word I prefer to use rather than "close". A fight can be consistently "competitive" but then one guy clearly wins a lopsided amount of rounds and it is not "close" by any means.

[.trunzx]

Jones - Tarver

Tarver gave Roy a harder fight than anyone else at that point, however Tarver still clearly lost. No way Tarver won 7 rounds or even 6. Clear Jones victory 117-111

[MagnificentMatt]

Hagler-Duran: Hagler won 10-11 rounds. The judges were drunk that night.

Gatti-Ward trilogy: Gatti won 80% of the rounds in this overrated trilogy.

Holyfield-Foreman: Foreman fought better than expected, and was competitive, but it wasn't nearly as close as many like to make it out to be.

Hagler-Mugabi: Hagler jabbed Mugabi silly and then gave him a beating up close in the later rounds, although he took some hard shots in return.

The judges are drunk about 70% of the time they scored for Marvelous Marvin

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Are we talking about overrated as in:

1. They weren't as close as people say they were
2. They weren't as good of fights as people say they were
3. A combination of both

The first.

A better phrase is like "Fights that weren't as close as people say", but I didn't feel like writing that out in the title of the thread.

[PolishPummler]

Jones - Tarver

Tarver gave Roy a harder fight than anyone else at that point, however Tarver still clearly lost. No way Tarver won 7 rounds or even 6. Clear Jones victory 117-111

Word to yo MUTHA!!!!

[The Italarican]

Time will tell if De La Hoya-Mayweather is seen as a closer fight than it really was.

[BlueApollo]

De La Hoya - Mosley II. If you want an example of how muting Lampchops and Friends makes the outcome of a fight obvious, this is Exhibit A. Crystal clear UD for Mosley.

I'll second Jones - Tarver I. This goes beyond the intent of the thread, identifying falsely glorified "close" bouts, but if it wasn't an official draw I'd throw Pacquiao - JMM into the fray. People were so blinded by the size of Marquez's balls, that they talked themselves into believing Manny didn't win. Which he did.

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Pacquiao-Marquez had a lot of close rounds after round 7, so that's why you see such a wide variety in scores. Pac dropped JMM in round 1 3x, and the 2nd round was close, and Marquez controlled the action and won all of 4 of the next 5 rounds. From round 8 on, the rounds were close with neither guy doing much to establish himself as the clear winner of the round, so you see all these variation in scores.

It was a very close fight, IMO.

[WhataRock]

It had nothing to do with his heart, it had to do with the fact that he figured Pac out and thoroughly outboxed him from rounds 3 to 12. Pac was up by 5 points after 2 rounds, I had him winning 2 rounds the rest of the fight, one even, so I agree with the draw. Without that first round, it's a wide UD win for Marquez.

A lot of debate about this fight.

I just cant see it though, Pac won it in my eyes.

Rounds 2-12, Marquez probably won more rounds and won them more convincingly but Pac still outlanded and landed the harder shots in enough rounds to hold on to the early lead.
He may have looked one-dimensional but that one dimension still did enough to bag a few more rounds after the first.

The first round happened and turned a close either way decision into a clear cut win for pac.

Just my opinon though.

[doom bull]

I have to agree with the Foreman-Holyfield fight. George didn't land shit and only stayed on his feet due do his chin and girth. I've seen it countless times on ESPN Classic.

[BlueApollo]

Having brought it up (which I shouldn't have) I'll put it to bed. JMM DID fight a tremendous technical fight after he survived the blitz. I can see both sides of that decision, but I personally watched the tape three or four times, and reached the conclusion that Manny made some nice adjustments of his own to win a couple of key rounds, and thus the fight. Just my worthless .02.

I'm more interested in doing what the thread intended. Let's root out the fights that weren't NEARLY as close as people say they were.

[DamonD]

I know this is an old saw, I am sorry, but...Holyfield-Lewis II.
I've read some people make out like this was a robbery and that Holy should've won. Usually the same people that had Lewis barely winning or even drawing the first fight, mind you.

[Vantage_West]

You musta been takin those drinks straight to the head while you were watchin that fight.funny guy:verysad