Combine two fighter to create a perfect one

[Bokaj]

For me it has to be Whitaker/Robinson. Whitaker's slick defense coupled with Robinson's offense just makes for a fighter that can't be beat. Such a fighter would not lack anything, since both guys also brought superb intanginables, stamina and chin to the table.

Your pick?

[AlFrancis]

Willie Pep and Mike Tyson. Pep's boxing abilities combined with Mike's power and killer instinct. Having said that I do find this hard to envisage.

[Ezzard]

easy

Tommy Hearns and Kid Gavilan

[AlFrancis]

easy

Tommy Hearns and Kid Gavilan
This I can envisage, Tommy with the Kid's chin and everything else he brings to the table.

[Pete47]

Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey.

[kickbxn5]

Joe Louis and Sugar Ray Robinson

nuff said about that!

[Bokaj]

Joe Louis and Sugar Ray Robinson

nuff said about that!

Since they both first and foremost was formidable offensive fighters I don't think they complement each other very well.

[kickbxn5]

Since they both first and foremost was formidable offensive fighters I don't think they complement each other very well.

SRR is considered the best fighter puond for pound EVER. You can mix him with Butterbean and still have a nearly unbeatable fighter. His defense was superb until he started getting up in age.

Joe Louis has patience, an underrated defense, and some of the most powerful, shortest punches ever thrown.

[Dempsey1238]

Barney Ross with Sam Langford's power would be amazing imo.

[Bokaj]

SRR is considered the best fighter puond for pound EVER. You can mix him with Butterbean and still have a nearly unbeatable fighter. His defense was superb until he started getting up in age.

Joe Louis has patience, an underrated defense, and some of the most powerful, shortest punches ever thrown.

SRR:s defense was good, but I wouldn't call it superb. It was not like Whitaker's or even Leonard's IMO. His offense is probably unrivaled, though.

[kickbxn5]

SRR:s defense was good, but I wouldn't call it superb. It was not like Whitaker's or even Leonard's IMO. His offense is probably unrivaled, though.

Look at some of SRR's early bouts. He was nearly impossible to hit. Little subtle movements made opponents miss punches by inches where he would still be in a position to counter. Even as he got older he still showed flashes of defensive genious. Whitaker, a defensive wizard, would make fighters miss, and miss badly, but never put himself in a position where he could immediately counter from that opportunity.

[DINAMITA]

I'm not saying they are the two best fighters ever, but I think you would form the best fighter ever if you combined the abilities of Roy Jones Jr and James Toney to create a 168lbs fighter.

Jones Jr 1994-1996 at 168 was, in my opinion, the closest there has ever been to an invincible boxer. H2H, he was incredible at that time. If you combined all his own skills and gifts with the defensive qualities and chin of James Toney, surely you would have some sort of superhuman fighting machine! Imagine Jones (who had a good defence himself but which was based on mobility and athleticism) with the ability, whenever it was needed, to slip, roll and block punches brilliantly when up close, to avoid ever getting hit flush, and (if he ever did get hit flush) to be able to absorb massive shots to the chin.

Who could beat that guy? I genuinely think no-one in history.

[PowerPuncher]

I'm not saying they are the two best fighters ever, but I think you would form the best fighter ever if you combined the abilities of Roy Jones Jr and James Toney to create a 168lbs fighter.

Jones Jr 1994-1996 at 168 was, in my opinion, the closest there has ever been to an invincible boxer. H2H, he was incredible at that time. If you combined all his own skills and gifts with the defensive qualities and chin of James Toney, surely you would have some sort of superhuman fighting machine! Imagine Jones (who had a good defence himself but which was based on mobility and athleticism) with the ability, whenever it was needed, to slip, roll and block punches brilliantly when up close, to avoid ever getting hit flush, and (if he ever did get hit flush) to be able to absorb massive shots to the chin.

Who could beat that guy? I genuinely think no-one in history.

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner

Or RJJ-Mayweather, SRR-Mayweather, Ali with Lennox's power (I choose Lennox because his punching style suits Ali more)

[DINAMITA]

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner

Or RJJ-Mayweather, SRR-Mayweather, Ali with Lennox's power (I choose Lennox because his punching style suits Ali more)

I don't think Mayweather's chin has proven to be as good as Toney's though, so that's why I went with Toney rather than Floyd to combine with RJJ. Both would work though. It's good to see some fighters of this generation being rated so highly in a discussion like this rather than just the inevitable 'Langford and Greb' or 'Louis and Pep' answers. :good

[Arka]

LOL Vitali Klitschko/Wladimir Klitschko
Not perfect-but damn good!

[PowerPuncher]

I don't think Mayweather's chin has proven to be as good as Toney's though, so that's why I went with Toney rather than Floyd to combine with RJJ. Both would work though. It's good to see some fighters of this generation being rated so highly in a discussion like this rather than just the inevitable 'Langford and Greb' or 'Louis and Pep' answers. :good

Yes Toney's chin is sterling, but he is a little lazy at times and Jones didnt have the highest workrate either. Mayweather's chin took clean shots from Castillo, Delahoya, Judah and took them

I see boxing as an art/science that hit its peak in the 40s-50s and wasnt at such a high skill level prior to these times

Another good 1 would be Mosleys physical ability with Duran's technical abilities

[PowerPuncher]

Whitaker + HEarns Reach/Power

[Bokaj]

I'm not saying they are the two best fighters ever, but I think you would form the best fighter ever if you combined the abilities of Roy Jones Jr and James Toney to create a 168lbs fighter.

Jones Jr 1994-1996 at 168 was, in my opinion, the closest there has ever been to an invincible boxer. H2H, he was incredible at that time. If you combined all his own skills and gifts with the defensive qualities and chin of James Toney, surely you would have some sort of superhuman fighting machine! Imagine Jones (who had a good defence himself but which was based on mobility and athleticism) with the ability, whenever it was needed, to slip, roll and block punches brilliantly when up close, to avoid ever getting hit flush, and (if he ever did get hit flush) to be able to absorb massive shots to the chin.

Who could beat that guy? I genuinely think no-one in history.

Good call. But I don't think any of them qualifies among the absolutely best offensive fighters of all time.

[bill poster]

who wins

RJJ/Toney vs Hearns/Hagler?

[Bokaj]

Look at some of SRR's early bouts. He was nearly impossible to hit. Little subtle movements made opponents miss punches by inches where he would still be in a position to counter. Even as he got older he still showed flashes of defensive genious.

Could you post films of any of those? Would be great to see.

My opinion is mostly based on his last fight with LaMotta, which generally is seen as one of his best perfomances, even though it wasn't at welter.

Whitaker, a defensive wizard, would make fighters miss, and miss badly, but never put himself in a position where he could immediately counter from that opportunity.

I don't agree. I think he was a beautiful counter puncher.

[ghostlybadge]

joe calzage and kessler.

Kessler is one of the best textbook punchers in the game mix that with JC's brain stamina flair and ability and chin and you have a man at 168 that i think could take on RJJ/Toney i do not know if they would beat RJJ/Toney but i think it would be close

[janitor]

Combine Young Griffos natural talent with any sort of work ethic and you have the greatest pound for pound fighter of his era.

Give Tiger Flowers Harry Grebs chin and he could have been as great.

Put Jack Blackburns brain in Joe Louis's body but let Joe keep his temprament and you have the ultimate heavyweight frankensteins monster.

[Mantequilla]

Benny lynch minus alcoholism

This doesn't really work unless you discount any flaws the fighters have.A combined toney jones could also be a weak chinned lazy fat fighter and waste of talent.

[kickbxn5]

Could you post films of any of those? Would be great to see.

My opinion is mostly based on his last fight with LaMotta, which generally is seen as one of his best perfomances, even though it wasn't at welter.



I don't agree. I think he was a beautiful counter puncher.

He was a beautiful counter puncher...don't get me wrong. But many times he put himself out of position with his defense to take advantage of counter opportunities more often.

[Bokaj]

He was a beautiful counter puncher...don't get me wrong. But many times he put himself out of position with his defense to take advantage of counter opportunities more often.

Ok. Have to study hiim closer, because you might be right. Fighters with great defense have natural tendencies towards this in some cases...

Anyway, it doesn't say anything against my initial post. A fighter with the offensive instincts and abilities of SRR combined with Whitaker's fantastic defense. I just don't see how this fighter can be beat.

[Brighton bomber]

Bernard Hopkins chin, technique, skills and longevity with Roy Jones Jr's pure athleticism, speed and power.

[Robbi]

Whitaker and Duran. Both around the same height ane reach, also both were natural lightweights who moved up and won titles in another three divisions. While both were superb all round fighters, they had totally different styles.

[HawkFan16]

I said this in a similar post a while back, but here it is again- DLH + Pryor- you get Pryor's speed, stamina, workrate, right, and slickness, and also get to keep DLH's jab, left hook, size, and marketability. Finally, you also get Panama Lewis (black bottle, unpadded gloves, etc.) in the corner- how is that not unbeatable?:good

[JohnThomas1]

Thomas Hearns/Roberto Duran

Man oh man.

Hearns, pretty much impossible to outdo from the outside.

Duran an awesome infighter.

Hearns slightly flawed defense gives way to Duran's brilliant anticipation and ability to roll with punches.

Duran's 9.5/10 chin (body punch resistence too) and stamina.

Duran's P4P strength is good.

Hearns freakish combination of speed and power.


SRR could not beat this blend, nor anyone else for that matter.

[BlackWater]

Tyson-Marciano

[Bokaj]

Tyson-Marciano

That would be one hell of a fighter.

[enquirer]

JT has closed the thread folks.......

[red cobra]

George Foreman and Sweet Pea Whitaker. Also Bob Foster and Nicolino Locche. This is very crazy, like a Frankenstein's monster sort of thing.

[Bokaj]

Thomas Hearns/Roberto Duran

Man oh man.

Hearns, pretty much impossible to outdo from the outside.

Duran an awesome infighter.

Hearns slightly flawed defense gives way to Duran's brilliant anticipation and ability to roll with punches.

Duran's 9.5/10 chin (body punch resistence too) and stamina.

Duran's P4P strength is good.

Hearns freakish combination of speed and power.


SRR could not beat this blend, nor anyone else for that matter.

Excellent choice! How do you see a fight between Duran/Hearns and Robinson/Whitaker going down at welter?

[Bill Butcher]

Lets name him WILLIE DURAN & call him a super-FWT.

For all the slow guys here on ESB Im combining Willie Pep & Roberto Duran.
Since Pep was the best FWT & Duran the best LWT, lets make this fighter a SFWT.

Ps. Imagine how hard it would be to hit this fighter flush & think how many you would take in return & from how many different angles, scary shit.

[Bill Butcher]

Here is 1 for recent times - Floyd Mayweather/Erik Morales

They are both close enough in height & weight, its easy to imagine a fighter with both their attributes.

Well, in reality, all you have to do is give Morales Floyds speed & defence & you would be hard pressed to find any fighter from 135 down that could have beat him.

[r_9-Ronaldo]

roy jones/jake lamotta for me

[PowerPuncher]

Lets name him WILLIE DURAN & call him a super-FWT.

For all the slow guys here on ESB Im combining Willie Pep & Roberto Duran.
Since Pep was the best FWT & Duran the best LWT, lets make this fighter a SFWT.

Ps. Imagine how hard it would be to hit this fighter flush & think how many you would take in return & from how many different angles, scary shit.

Willie Duran = Floyd Mayweather Jr :yep

[JOSEY WALES]

Jimmy Valuve , Jimmy Wilde's Skills, Strenghts & Heart with" Old Massive head s" struture , Jimmy Valuve would be my boy :lol:

[Minotauro]

Ezzard Charles his speed, jab, defence, boxing ability, stamina, in fighting and heart with Max Baer's power, chin and size.
Wilfred Benitez defence and Wilfredo Gomez offence.

[Bummy Davis]

Jersey Joe Walcott and Jack Dempsey...JJ 'smovement and craftyness combined with pinpoint power and Dempsey' killer instinct and hardness and power

[r_9-Ronaldo]

funny enough, Leonard-Duran is another one

[birddog]

Hagler and Hearns, only deficit may be brains

Maybe Sal Sanchez and Hearns

[McGrain]

Jones and Moore combined at LHW is not a fighter that would ever be beaten by any other light-heavyweight.

[the cobra]

Unbeatable fighter: Pernell Whitaker with Julian Jackson's power.

[elindiomonzon]

Carlos Monzon and Roy Jones Jr. , that would be unbelieavable

[Joe E]

Give Carmen Basilio Hearns' height,speed,and power and you have one formidable Welter/Middleweight.

[JohnThomas1]

Excellent choice! How do you see a fight between Duran/Hearns and Robinson/Whitaker going down at welter?

Goodness, you sure ask the hard questions hahaha. Hearns jab, speed and reach in outfighting allied to Duran edging the infighting lead me to favour them. What a thought tho.

[Bummy Davis]

Tyson-Marciano

So you would make Tyson have no skills and be totally worthless? How is that making a better fighter? Tyson doesn't need anything Marciano had.

he may gain the ability to get off the floor to win and heart to come back from behind...2 qualities that Tyson could use more of and throw in punching power beyond the midway point in the fight, I think Tyson only stopped one foe past the 8th

[Bill1234]

Tyson-Marciano

So you would make Tyson have no skills and be totally worthless? How is that making a better fighter? Tyson doesn't need anything Marciano had.

:-(

[sandwedge]

Give mike tyson jack johnson's boxing brain, infighting, ability to catch punche's and stamina. You would have a very good fighter.

[Bill Butcher]

Still think mine`s is the perfect fighter with not 1 single weakness tho I have seen some really good ones from you guys.

Imagine Pep with Duran`s power, chin & infighting abilities.....

Duran was 1 of the most complete & well rounded fighters of all time while Pep was the best pure boxer ever - there would be absolutely no weaknesses whatsoever... fuck... they barely had any weaknesses individually in their primes.

How many fighters had a better outside game than Pep ?
How many fighters had a better inside game than Duran ?

Pep is also the best defensive boxer ever & Roberto must make the top 10 for BOTH offence & defence + being quite similar in weight is easier to imagine than combining a HWT & LWT.

Cheers.

[imp4pdabest]

I would take FLoyd Mayweather, and give him the punch resistance of Antonio Margarito, he would kill ANYONE at 147

[GPater11093]

me and SRR

come on 1 of us is carrying the other abit











but SRR does have somethings i dont have

[GPater11093]

seriously though

Pep and Louis

Joe Pep

pep defense, speed, smarts and movement coupled with Louis power, finishing ability,chin and strength

[Mantequilla]

Pep and Louis would just be Wilfredo Gomez.


Seriously though, i think you could create an awesome fighter with more or less any combo of two very good\great ones.Any very good technical boxer combined with Julian Jackson is an easy one.

[red cobra]

Manny Pacqiauo and Primo Carnera.

[red cobra]

No seriously, Pipino Cuevas and Salvador Sanchez.

[red cobra]

Still think mine`s is the perfect fighter with not 1 single weakness tho I have seen some really good ones from you guys.

Imagine Pep with Duran`s power, chin & infighting abilities.....

Duran was 1 of the most complete & well rounded fighters of all time while Pep was the best pure boxer ever - there would be absolutely no weaknesses whatsoever... fuck... they barely had any weaknesses individually in their primes.

How many fighters had a better outside game than Pep ?
How many fighters had a better inside game than Duran ?

Pep is also the best defensive boxer ever & Roberto must make the top 10 for BOTH offence & defence + being quite similar in weight is easier to imagine than combining a HWT & LWT.

Cheers.Pretty badass combo, I must say.

[Shake]

George Foreman and Maxie Rosenbloom.

[Sweet Pea]

Whitaker, a defensive wizard, would make fighters miss, and miss badly, but never put himself in a position where he could immediately counter from that opportunity.
You have no idea what you're talking about, as Whitaker was one of the very best at this.