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Russell
10-04-2008, 08:20 PM
Will get you further as a fighter?

Raw, crude swinging for the fences Foreman like power or the pin point precision punching of fighters like Archie Moore and Jersey Joe Walcott? Coincidentally the only two fighters to ever drop Rocky Marciano.

Does either have a serious advantage over the other?

How many fighters truly embody the best of both worlds?

Joe Louis? Alexis Arguello?

McGrain
10-04-2008, 08:22 PM
Precision, every time at all weights with no exception, if we are talking serious levels of expertise in one at the expense of the other.

Power punchers only have one way to win fights. Precision punchers can win on accumilative KO's, or by points.

McGrain
10-04-2008, 08:23 PM
Moore had cracking raw power though, in my opinion, and I think he should be on your list of fighters that embody both.

Also, Robinson, Tyson was very accurate, and I'd suggest Langford.

Russell
10-04-2008, 08:26 PM
Moore had cracking raw power though, in my opinion, and I think he should be on your list of fighters that embody both.

Also, Robinson, Tyson was very accurate, and I'd suggest Langford.

It's funny how almost all of the fighters that fit into both categories, that embody the best of both worlds, are among the greatest of all time.

Two very important ingredients, yes?

Roy Jones deserves mentioning here. His single, rib breaking fighter ending bodyshot against super durable and underrated Virgil Hill was unbelievable, and still is to this day.

Felix Trindad as well. A recent post here said that even against Whitaker he was extremely accurate. Something to appreciate about Trinidad that some overlook... His accuracy.

McGrain
10-04-2008, 08:27 PM
Roy Jones at 168 is a lock for such a list.

Robbi
10-04-2008, 08:52 PM
Power gets a fight over quicker than precision. But it depends how the power is delivered. Some fighters rely on their power too much and when it's taken away from them, they are clueless. A fighters style has a lot to do with how successful he is with each of these attributes in question. Usually a precision fighter works his jab and relies soley on scoring type punches. Jabs, combinations, workrate, etc, will always see a fighter through if he's good with all those tools. However when a fighter relies on power he'll obviously be going for 'powerful' punches more often than not. It's a mental thing when a fighter knows he can end a fight with one or two punches, thus he resorts to right hand leads and heavy hooks. And depending on how finely tuned a fighter who relies on 'power' is in a technical sense, he might well load up and telegraph his shots. If a fighter who's a chilling puncher can combine being very precise with his power then that a lovely balance to have of course. Let the knockout come and wait for the right moment.

Whats best, power or precision?. It all depends on how technically fine each fighter is and how heavily they rely on either 'power and precision'.

Personally I prefer watching precision.

Mantequilla
10-04-2008, 09:03 PM
Not many good fighters have no precision.

Even guys like Mugabi and Foreman were accurate punchers on a world class level.It was their technique that lacked.

elindiomonzon
10-04-2008, 09:21 PM
precision always wins over power, a knockout artist will have a hard time landing a clean punch on a guy with a good defense but a guy with surgeon precision on both hands can land and will land cleaner shots no matter what IMO

radianttwilight
10-05-2008, 01:58 AM
It depends on the fighter, honestly.

Some defensive guys are too slick to be caught, even by pinpoint punchers, but they can be beaten into submission via workrate and brute force.

KCD
10-05-2008, 04:43 AM
Put it this way if i was a boxer i would prefer to have precision over power.

PowerPuncher
10-05-2008, 07:16 AM
Precision - most supposed powerpunchers are also very precise.

KCD
10-05-2008, 08:58 AM
Precision - most supposed powerpunchers are also very precise.


Good call Joe Louis springs to mind when precision and power are in effect.

PowerPuncher
10-05-2008, 09:41 AM
Good call Joe Louis springs to mind when precision and power are in effect.

Usually good boxers dont take clean punches, when they do take them on the button they get accused of having weak chins :lol:. You have to set up, time and throw with speed to land flush shots and if your opponents defense is open your at an advantage, and if your punches are more compact and not as wild that again is a big factor if they are landing clean

Tyson for instance landed countless flush punches on opponents and thats what was so devastating about him, not necessarily his power

Even Foreman in his KOs lands them on the button, Foremans accuracy is an underrated aspect of his game

Bill1234
10-05-2008, 09:49 AM
Precision, but like someone said, some people are too slick and need to be pounded into submission.

Robbi
10-05-2008, 10:09 AM
Ricardo Lopez = Power and precision

Minotauro
10-05-2008, 10:15 AM
Hearns, Foster and Gomez had great precision and power.

Bill Butcher
10-05-2008, 10:34 AM
Precision over power every time.

Power without good precision wont work once you start fighting elite fighters - well, most of them anyway - but precision can work fine without any serious power for accumulation damage or a pts win.

Aswell as Louis & Arguello, there were a few others that were blessed with both to an extremely high level...... Robinson, Tyson, Duran (even tho he looked ragged by his body movements his shots were very precise) & Naseem Hamed in his early 20s.

Raging B(_)LL
10-05-2008, 12:19 PM
Precision is more important than raw power, a precise puncher will waste less energy than someone who swings for the fences and misses alot and he will also do more damage when he lands even if he is not known for packing a wallop. Joey Archer for example who was by no means a puncher managed to buckle Dick Tiger`s knees and rock him badly with a well-timed right cross, and he even managed to dump Ray Robinson onto the seat of his pants courtesy of a right hand as well.

Alberto Davila did the same to Frankie Duarte in their first go, and he also rocked the iron chinned Lupe Pintor in their rematch. In all these instances it was the precision and timing of the punches that caused the damage they did, not the raw power of the opponent as they were not known as punchers to begin with. Now if you have a fighter with great precision and pinpoint accuracy and give him a knockout punch, good chin and fighting spirit you have yourself one heck of a fighter.... too bad we don`t have anyone around like that today.