Do you think PAC was schooled by Marquez?

[Stinky gloves]

Ya, I know PAC flored him 3 times in the first round and breaking his nose.
But on the other hand he was not able to finish him and having such big round (10-7, 10-6, 10-6)
he was clearly outboxed the rest of the fight (3-7) ending with draw only.

[WhataRock]

No.
JMM is a very classy fighter and exposed some flaws in Pac but he still lost the decision in my eyes and in the eyes of a lot of people.

Thats the closest schooling Ive ever seen if it was one.

[brooklyn1550]

He wasn't schooled, but he was outboxed. All in all, it was a close fight (I had Pacquiao winning 114-111) that could have gone either way and a fight that needs to be seen again.

[sues2nd]

The first round is the only reason that fight was close. Otherwise it would've been a wide UD for Marquez. As it was, a very close fight and hard to score.

Pretty much what he said...:good

[psychopath]

Ya, I know PAC flored him 3 times in the first round and breaking his nose.
But on the other hand he was not able to finish him and having such big round (10-7, 10-6, 10-6)
he was clearly outboxed the rest of the fight (3-7) ending with draw only.

What are you are up to again?

You very well know that Pac has problems in that fight. Once posters responds and mnetion these things . . . it's gonna end up . . . as if they are making excuses. right?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

To answer your question "NO" . . . that was a give and take affair after the second round and A 100% Pac could have knocked JMM out.

[H .]

I sincerely thought that Marquez had a great recovery after the 1st round and won the rest from there.

[Morrissey]

Ya, I know PAC flored him 3 times in the first round and breaking his nose.
But on the other hand he was not able to finish him and having such big round (10-7, 10-6, 10-6)
he was clearly outboxed the rest of the fight (3-7) ending with draw only.

You know what? I've been reading most of your threads, and it seems you have an obssession with Pac..:hey

Anyway, for the question.

Nope. He was not schooled. His power punch was somehow neutralized in the midrounds, but never he was dominated.

And when you say schooling, it means dominating.

Was he dominated? What do you think?

[Mrboogie23]

If not for the first round, Marquez would have won but the first round happened and Pacman won that one big. Which made it a very close fight.

It was a great performance by both guys. A rematch needs to happen. We've been waiting FAR too long for this rematch.

[Stinky gloves]

Have you gotten tired waiting for Golota who is considering retirement and you turn your ire on Pac w/ bashing threads?

My answer? NO, he did not school Pac. He outboxed him in some rounds but schooled; I don't think so.

As a matter of fact, Pac won that fight if not for scoring error of one of the judges. Put that in your head, stupid! (rhyme again).:lol:

Why are you bringing Golota every time you don't have any other arguments - are you obsessed or what :patsch ?

[Stinky gloves]

You know what? I've been reading most of your threads, and it seems you have an obssession with Pac..:hey

Anyway, for the question.

Nope. He was not schooled. His power punch was somehow neutralized in the midrounds, but never he was dominated.

And when you say schooling, it means dominating.

Was he dominated? What do you think?

I don't really understand, If there was a draw it means Marquez won around 7 from the latest 11 rounds.
So that wasn't even close. I'm not saying that he completely make PAC his bitch but
at this level winning 7-4 is more than outboxing for a few rounds. Its mean he outboxed PAC
for 2/3 of the fight (with broken nose) which clearly may be considered as he schooled him.

[PH|LLA]

JMM is one of the best p4p fighters and Pac fought him in his prime

also, Pac only ended up with a draw cause one of the judges scored the first round 10-7 when according the rules, that round must be scored 10-6

no, definately wasn't schooled

imagine if there were a three KD rule, Pac would have a KO1 win over JMM.

anyways in the end there isn't a 3KD rule, and the judge made the mistake he made, so that D is there to stay, but there's no way in hell he was schooled.

[jackiebrown]

i remember drinking about a 5th and a half of jack that night.. when marquez went down i jumped out of my seat .. being drunk wasnt even a factor .. i was like holy shit dad hes gonna get ko'd! .. marquez goes down agian!.. holy shit hes down! .. damn !...then i remembered being pissed because i thought what should have been a war was going to beover before it started....

next thing you know...its the 8th round..im drunk agian.. and the battle is going back and forth ..

it was a close razor close fight.. pac landed his game and so did marquez .. but for the most part pac shot his load way too early .. great fight!

[Stinky gloves]

it was a close razor close fight.. pac landed his game and so did marquez .. but for the most part pac shot his load way too early .. great fight!

Do you mean PAC lost his stamina early?

[jackiebrown]

well yeah he lost his pop on his punches...i mean i know he still swung relentlessly for the rest of the fight but that ..power and snap seemed to get took out of him soon as marquez kept getting up ...

[loui_ludwig]

JMM out technique Pac. Some say JMM won every round after the 3rd round. Even though JMM outbox Pac(as in out technique), Pac was throwing a lot of punches. I watched the fight about 3x already and both threw about the same amount(or close to it) of punches. In some rouns, Pac threw and conneted more, with the other rounds favors JMM. So the rounds 3 to 10 cound have been split. Just look at the judges, one favors JMM, one to Pac, the other a draw. U guys know about that judge, 10-6 should have been the score in the 1st round instead of 10-7. This favors a split decision to Pac.

Look at the HBO crew also:
Lederman, scored it 115-110 for Pac
Merchant, a close decision for Pac
Lampley, well, he doens't really say anything who he thinks won a fight.
Steward, well, Steward he does not say also, but in my jmpression of his commentaries, he looks like he favors JMM as the winner. Not sure, just an impression.
So, i say split decsion by HBO crew for Pac.

JMM out technique him, not school him. If somebody schooled Pac, i have to say Erik Morales. It might be a close decision, but he unanimously defeated Pac.

And that is all.

[Druid]

No

[Morrissey]

I don't really understand, If there was a draw it means Marquez won around 7 from the latest 11 rounds.
So that wasn't even close. I'm not saying that he completely make PAC his bitch but
at this level winning 7-4 is more than outboxing for a few rounds. Its mean he outboxed PAC
for 2/3 of the fight (with broken nose) which clearly may be considered as he schooled him.

You don't understand why it was a draw? It was officially a draw because one judge erred in his scoring, and admitted it. That's why. If not, there would have been a new champ then.

What was your score btw?
Can you break it down? Round per round?
I had it I think 6-6, or to favor JMM, 7-5, for him. Certainly not a schooling in any stretch of imagination.

You have to factor the 1st round scoring, and then, even at 7-5, Pac won or it was a draw.

In the end, it was a close, great fight that I guess the draw was the right decision, so that a rubbermatch should decide who was the better fighter.

[Stinky gloves]

JMM out technique Pac. ....And that is all.

Hmmmm, "out technique him" .. I didn't know that such term even exists,
is that college talking for "schooled him"?

As for judges scoring. the final score was somthing like 113-113 115-110 110-115.
It means that one of the judges scored the rest of the rouds like close 6-5 for PAC,
one of them 7-4 for Marquez and one 10-1 for Marguez.
So it was either close fight, PAC was clearly outboxed or fight
was complete shout out in favour of Marquez.

[Carlos Primera]

im a fan of both guys, but it's not like jmm swept the 2nd-12th rounds. based on memory i'd say pac won a couple of the mid and last rounds too. was he getting outboxed in some rounds through the fight? certainly. but he was'nt getting dismantled ala lacy either.

[Stinky gloves]

but he was'nt getting dismantled ala lacy either.
I wouln't say he lost a la Lacy, that was complete mismatch.

[PH|LLA]

I wouln't say he lost a la Lacy, that was complete mismatch.
he didn't even lose at all

[Stinky gloves]

he didn't even lose at all

Well, you right he didn't lose the whole fight case he flored Marquez, nobody is taking this from him.
The question is what do you see the fight if you take the first round out.

[PH|LLA]

in the end, looking at who was the best fighter over the entire 12 rounds of the fight, it was Pacquiao.

Looking at who was the better fighter over the last 11 rounds only, it was Marquez

[johnco]

this was the fight that a lot of morons didnt think that pac busted his left fist after the first round.... and of course they think jmm is god after the first round :scaredas: nevertheless, they will meet again and i do hope they will show up in this forum after that fight because i cant wait to make fun of them just like the time when em was put into grave :good

[johnco]

The first round is the only reason that fight was close. Otherwise it would've been a wide UD for Marquez. As it was, a very close fight and hard to score.

i do hope you show up your dumb ass here in this forum when the day pac-jmm meets again. :blurp that will be the time when pac will be in full swing... no busted left hand and a two fists that works pretty well. :good you will be in raped by the pac fans :hey

[reed_man02]

yes.

after the second round, pacman didnt land anything of significance while jmm was landing every punch in the book. most of pacs punches were jabs thrown to set up his left but it never landed.

ask pacmans wife who won the fight, or just look at her face.:yep

[H .]

Prety much agree with everything my man said right here. JMM showed that he was the far superior technical boxer that night despite the draw. I would have favored Marquez had there been an immediate rematch because I think he had Manny all figured out by the end of the 1st fight.

Although now that time has gone by Manny has improved as a fighter and seems to be at the very peak of his powers, while JMM has slowed down a bit. So as of right night I'd favor Pacman by KO in a rematch.

I agree on all that.

You're probably right :yep

[loui_ludwig]

Hmmmm, "out technique him" .. I didn't know that such term even exists,
is that college talking for "schooled him"?

As for judges scoring. the final score was somthing like 113-113 115-110 110-115.
It means that one of the judges scored the rest of the rouds like close 6-5 for PAC,
one of them 7-4 for Marquez and one 10-1 for Marguez.
So it was either close fight, PAC was clearly outboxed or fight
was complete shout out in favour of Marquez.

No. Cuz Pac was still going straight and throwing and landing punches. Pac won some rounds 6-12. Also, i counted at least 5 low blows in that fight by JMM. The first time i watch it, i had Pac winning 7-5, 2nd time 6-6, and the 3rd time, still 6-6. So its a draw with out the knockdowns.



Only a rematch can settle the draw.

[Spitfire7]

Flat NO. Pac won a close and debatable one. JMM got too much credit for getting up from the 1st round. Aside from the midrounds which he dominated pretty fairly, the rest of the reounds had been close with the latter rounds arguably going to Pac.

If both their subsequent fights are any indication, Pacman won the first encounter. Poetic justice.

A rematch should be made sooner than later to end these endless partisan debates...

[4Rounder]

The Chris John fight was really an embarassment for JMM. He can't even put away a featherweight boxer. How much more w/ vastly improved Pac.

You can't KO what you can't catch. CJ was running for the greater part of that fight and with that big ass ring it was easy. JMM got robbed that day and you know it.

[loui_ludwig]

From the opinion of us members here, some of us are split between who is the winner. The draw is probably the best choice for this fight.

[Antwuan Maxx]

A lot of you cats are forgetting the later rounds, I think somewhere between 7-9 when Pac's straight left began to find a home again. He definitely won more than the first 2 rounds of that fight. I'm going to find the DVD of that fight tonight and post my scorecard sometime tonight or tomorrow.

[Ramshall1]

minus the first round. . . Yes.
The fight as a whole, No.

[knockout]

When yeah Juan exposed him after the second round,if not for the 3 knockdowns pacquiao would of lost.:smoke

[Jinx]

you can't school someone, and get dropped 3x in the same fight...JMM outpointed Pac in most of the rds, but no way that can be called a schooling...

[loui_ludwig]

I see it happening much the same way as well. Which sucks 'cause I hate Manny and love JMM's tactical brilliance. But I see the fight playing out a lot like the second Morales fight... JMM will go back and forth with Manny till about halfway through the fight, he'll be competitive longer than Morales until Manny finally starts to wear him down and eventually Marquez will fall around round 10.

I hope I'm wrong.

No, you're right.:D

[knockout]

You can't KO what you can't catch. CJ was running for the greater part of that fight and with that big ass ring it was easy. JMM got robbed that day and you know it.Nah he wasnt robbed pac had the frist round as an insurance.:hey

[knockout]

Maybe but there are twelve rounds of boxing, right? And the judges have to based their decision on the totality of the fight. Pac fans say, after the first round, the ref should have stopped the fight to avoid further damage to the boxer. But JMM is damned lucky. :DAhhh i know the ref should of stop it.:smoke

[mad_takamura]

here you go again stinky gloves the pac nut-hugger:rofl :rofl

[theunderdog]

stinky gloves is the worst pac hater in esb. nuff said

[theunderdog]

here you go again stinky gloves the pac nut-hugger:rofl :rofl


you obviously don't know what a nuthugger is, son.

[H .]

stinky gloves is the worst pac hater in esb. nuff said

He really didn't seem to hate Pacquiao until domngo went in the Golota Express talking a storm about how Golota's pathetic and Pacquiao is a real icon. That's when stinky seemed to go nuts.
That's my observation, but I could be mistaken.

[knockout]

he was referring to JMM's fight w/ Chris John, bro.

i don't believe as what i reviewed in videos that JMM dominated all the rounds after the 2nd round. To get a clearer picture, try to view the fight again. Pac was outboxed in some rounds but he held his own in some other rounds. That's why the result was a draw inspite of one judge admitted error in scoring. Otherwise, if JMM really dominated the next 11 rounds as you claimed, he could have won by a UD.Well i know he didnt dominated 11 rounds,maybe i need to see it again but you gotta admit pac had insurance though.

[knockout]

Laterz.

[boxbox]

schooled??? hell no! JMM SURVIVED is the better description, maybe you're just too happy JMM didnt get KTFO and lead you to think that way:yep

[H .]

Well i know he didnt dominated 11 rounds,maybe i need to see it again but you gotta admit pac had insurance though.

I gotta see it again too. I remember thinking that Marquez won every round after the first. If Wladimir got knocked down three times against Peter and still got the decision, then Marquez should've too. But like I said, gotta see it again, evidently Pacquiao won more than the 1st round.

[theunderdog]

stinky is a golota nuthugger. and he hates pac because i bash his boyfriend golowblowta.:lol:

i know. but your boy takamura said that stinky was a pac "nut-hugger" which was not the case. i was merely educating his sorry ass

[theunderdog]

schooled??? hell no! JMM SURVIVED is the better description, maybe you're just too happy JMM didnt get KTFO and lead you to think that way:yep

suvived? the first round, maybe. but survived the entire fight? nope. he outsmarted pac in the last 11 rounds. but jmm did not school pac. and pac still won a few rounds with his agrresion

[boxbox]

suvived? the first round, maybe. but survived the entire fight? nope. he outsmarted pac in the last 11 rounds. but jmm did not school pac. and pac still won a few rounds with his agrresion


yes he did. JMM won more rounds after the 2nd, but still did lose some. "survived" can be used in the same breath as "outsmarted" here because you dont take the first round out of the equation. and as a whole, JMM was still the one who managed the draw, not PAC (damn that judge:deal) thus he survived.

[EpsilonAxis]

I originally had Pac winning. He won a few rounds also...

But man, did he look vulnerable at times. Even Morales didnt make Pac look quite that lost. Marquez was a demon in there...

[mad_takamura]

you obviously don't know what a nuthugger is, son. i know what a pacnuthugger means sir he is just too damn obssessed in pac tht instead of calling him a pachater i rather call him a nuthugger but nvm if you don't get it

[boxbox]

you obviously don't know what a nuthugger is, son.


he was being sarcastic:hey

[stillafan]

Pac won the first round very very big, although i remember him hitting JMM when he was down....but then JMM came pack and wont most of the rounds after that.......

[mad_takamura]

just see his last two threads "DO YOU THINK PAC WAS SCHOOLED BY MARQUEZ? and WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE MOST GLORIOUS WIN : BARRERA VS. HAMED OR EM VS. PAC1?" it is obviously directed to pac as a 'pachater' so i made a taunt that instead of calling him a pachater i rather call him a nuthugger since he is basically too obsessed in hating pac like he is almost like hugging his nuts at the same time or something . thus the :rofl gets?:huh

[mad_takamura]

"sigh" nvm:-( :-( :-(

[Stinky gloves]

here you go again stinky gloves the pac nut-hugger:rofl :rofl

Yeah baby, you wanna see my pound for pound list go to recent thread from today ... bottom on the first page.
Here I'm just straightening some things out in the mind of the real PAC nuthuggers.

[mad_takamura]

He really didn't seem to hate Pacquiao until domngo went in the Golota Express talking a storm about how Golota's pathetic and Pacquiao is a real icon. That's when stinky seemed to go nuts.
That's my observation, but I could be mistaken. ok now i know! i guess stinky you're not really hating on pac right?;)

[mad_takamura]

stinky is a sorry ass trying to negate every pawning they got on golota ex that's why he had to do this thread :rofl :rofl

[mad_takamura]

i feel sorry for you stinky, really;)

[Stinky gloves]

i feel sorry for you stinky, really;)

Are you relly so frustrated that PAC was schooled by Marquez?
If PAC would be so great he will end him in the first round.

[theunderdog]

stinky, seriously why hate on pac? if you can't stand some of the pacfans then hate them! not pac. you'll go nowhere because pac is currently one of the very best lb4lb and hating him will get you nothing but more ownage. and well, about them pacfans hating on your boy golota, well, i can't say anything really, but your boy is nowhere near pac is right now

they're defending a great fighter in pac and you're defending an average heavie in golota.

they'll eat you alive dude. seriously. you can't try to slap some sense into them if you are the one nuthugging a lesser fighter. what the hell's wrong with you?

[H .]

Pacquiao and Marquez must rematch ASAP!!! :happy

[H .]

stinky, seriously why hate on pac? if you can't stand some of the pacfans then hate them! not pac. you'll go nowhere because pac is currently one of the very best lb4lb and hating him will get you nothing but more ownage. and well, about them pacfans hating on your boy golota, well, i can't say anything really, but your boy is nowhere near pac is right now

they're defending a great fighter in pac and you're defending an average heavie in golota.

they'll eat you alive dude. seriously. you can't try to slap some sense into them if you are the one nuthugging a lesser fighter. what the hell's wrong with you?

ouch, you just shit on him!

[Stinky gloves]

No, not a bit, Stinky. Pac is doing well earning glory for himself and money as well while Marquez has to wait for Pac for him to have a big payday. As JMM waits, he ages. I'd rather that JMM wait a little more time. :lol:

And PAC is getting younger and younger, soon he will be at the same age as his first lost by KO :rofl :rofl :rofl ...
I know you said he was green at that time so that lost is fully aceptable but I'm really worrying about his future.

[KO Boxing]

If the judge who scored the first round 10-7 had correctly scored it 10-6 then the wrong person would have been given a victory. So in the end Justice Prevailed...

After the first round destruction, the best score for Pac was a draw... Or a close Marquez victory.

[H .]

And PAC is getting younger and younger, soon he will be at the same age as his first lost by KO :rofl :rofl :rofl ...
I know you said he was green at that time so that lost is fully aceptable but I'm really worrying about his future.

True. They say Morales' style makes him old very quickly. I think the same would relate to Pacquiao.

[H .]

Is he your husband, Stinky (it rhymes w/ Jingky, Pac's wife)? I didn't know Jingky is a Golota nutsniffer. :lol::lol::lol:

lame :verysad

[KO Boxing]

Mayweather is hated on the most, and he is p4p no. 1.

Not saying its right, but why is he not allowed to hate on Pac just cause he's p4p no. 2 or 3?

[Stinky gloves]

stinky, seriously why hate on pac? if you can't stand some of the pacfans then hate them! not pac. you'll go nowhere because pac is currently one of the very best lb4lb and hating him will get you nothing but more ownage. and well, about them pacfans hating on your boy golota, well, i can't say anything really, but your boy is nowhere near pac is right now

they're defending a great fighter in pac and you're defending an average heavie in golota.

they'll eat you alive dude. seriously. you can't try to slap some sense into them if you are the one nuthugging a lesser fighter. what the hell's wrong with you?

Guys why you always bringing Golota to the topic when you getting frutrated?
I know Golota is so excited that everybody wants talk about him in every thread but get some reality .....
If you don't stop I will think that you are really getting obsessed with that white guy :patsch
this is PAC - Marquez thread and stick to the topic :deal

[H .]

:good
:dealRead this Stinky & H .

When do I hate on Pac? :blood

[H .]

Are you bored in Golota's thread? No news from your boyfriend?:D

Would that mean Pacquiao is your boyfriend?

[Stinky gloves]

If the judge who scored the first round 10-7 had correctly scored it 10-6 then the wrong person would have been given a victory. So in the end Justice Prevailed...

After the first round destruction, the best score for Pac was a draw... Or a close Marquez victory.

Wasn't this the same judge who got PAC win 115-110?
If he would be at the same level as two other judges then
PAC should be lucky with that draw.

[H .]

It's non-sequitor, moron! Do you know what that means? :lol:

Yes, and you just made yourself your own victim.
Now who's the moron :smoke

[H .]

You're retracting? I can accept that. :D

I think you're confused :nut

[tays001]

dang the punoys get all mad about a single thread about pac losing og being KO"D when he first started. well i think he lost the marquez fight the need a rematch after pacman ko's barrera

[theunderdog]

Mayweather is hated on the most, and he is p4p no. 1.

Not saying its right, but why is he not allowed to hate on Pac just cause he's p4p no. 2 or 3?


he's not allowed to hate on pac because pacs own golota (the fighter stinky is nuthugging) at every aspect of boxing. how can you hate a fighter who is better in every way than the fighter than the one he likes most

and i seriously think stinky does not hate pac, he hates some of the pacfans

[theunderdog]

When do I hate on Pac? :blood

for all it's worth, that post was NOT for you h. i don't know why domngo out it that way. you're fine by me

[H .]

for all it's worth, that post was NOT for you h. i don't know why domngo out it that way. you're fine by me

you're cool, :good

[Stinky gloves]

In the same manner that you're obssessed w/ Pac like posting hate-Pac threads here and there while getting owned big time. :D:lol::lol:


Stick to the topic you moron. PAc was schooled and you are crying like a baby.
Try to use some brain if you have to defend him instead write these personal attacks ...
I know you don't have a brain so I expect your next post will be either:
"whathever" or
"you missed the semicolon in your post, I'm so educated"
:finger

[paulfv]

JMM totally schooled Pac after the first round, and I love Pac. But he got rolled after the two knockdowns he put on JMM.

[mad_takamura]

Stick to the topic you moron. PAc was schooled and you are crying like a baby.
Try to use some brain if you have to defend him instead write these personal attacks ...
I know you don't have a brain so I expect your next
post will be either:
"whathever" or
"you missed the semicolon in your post, I'm so educated"
:finger ok i'll let you get off with your happiness on golota! always trying to lick golota's nuts! alright keep dreaming that golota will get to the p4p standings dickhead while pac is enjoying his stay on the p4p#2 the next time golota comes back might be a rotten orange that would hit him and he will get ktfo:tired hey it must be golota that's on mayorga's dream not vargas? to much of him getting back p4p well he might unless you smoked too much joint and got that weed over your head yes he might indeed :thumbsup

[H .]

JMM totally schooled Pac after the first round, and I love Pac. But he got rolled after the two knockdowns he put on JMM.

:thumbsup

[boxbox]

JMM totally schooled Pac after the first round, and I love Pac. But he got rolled after the two knockdowns he put on JMM.

i think those were 3 knockdowns...and no that wasnt schooling, JMM survived pac and managed a draw. :good

[mad_takamura]

Stick to the topic you moron. PAc was schooled and you are crying like a baby.
Try to use some brain if you have to defend him instead write these personal attacks ...
I know you don't have a brain so I expect your next post will be either:
"whathever" or
"you missed the semicolon in your post, I'm so educated"
:finger the real topic should be: I WANT TO GET BACK ON DOMNGO BECAUSE HE SAID GOLOTA WAS PATHETIC AND I CRIED LIKE A BABY THATS WHY I MADE THIS TOPIC:DO YOU THINK PAC WAS SCHOOLED BY MARQUEZ? yep, that's the real topic youre hiding althrough out boy don't hide it:thumbsup

[H .]

the real topic should be: I WANT TO GET BACK ON DOMNGO BECAUSE HE SAID GOLOTA WAS PATHETIC AND I CRIED LIKE A BABY THATS WHY I MADE THIS TOPIC:DO YOU THINK PAC WAS SCHOOLED BY MARQUEZ? yep, that's the real topic youre hiding althrough out boy don't hide it:thumbsup

But it's not totally false, pac had a tough time after the first round

[Stinky gloves]

ok i'll let you get off with your happiness on golota! always trying to lick golota's nuts! alright keep dreaming that golota will get to the p4p standings dickhead while pac is enjoying his stay on the p4p#2 the next time golota comes back might be a rotten orange that would hit him and he will get ktfo:tired hey it must be golota that's on mayorga's dream not vargas? to much of him getting back p4p well he might unless you smoked too much joint and got that weed over your head yes he might indeed :thumbsup

Geez, i didn't know Golota is so popular in PAC nuthugger community.
You bring his name 5 times while PAC only once :lol:

Btw 1 - i dont know why you guys still so obsessed with Golota, you wanna talk about him go to Golota Express, they are waiting for you.
this is PAC - Marquez thread.:deal

Btw 2 - "to much of him getting back p4p" when did he was in p4p list :patsch

Btw 3 - "it must be golota that's on mayorga's dream not vargas? "
I must give you props .. that was really hilarious :rofl :rofl :rofl

[boxbox]

But it's not totally false, pac had a tough time after the first round

yes he did, and it wasnt easy for JMM too...no way was it schooling:patsch

[H .]

yes he did, and it wasnt easy for JMM too...no way was it schooling:patsch

fine, that's not totally false either :-(

[mad_takamura]

Btw 2 - "to much of him getting back p4p" when did he was in p4p list :patsch
see domngo was right he is indeed pathetic compared to pac:patsch :patsch

[boxbox]

fine, that's not totally false either :-(

the rematch should happen, its like talking politics or religion in here..it never ends:yep

[mad_takamura]

Ya, I know PAC flored him 3 times in the first round and breaking his nose.
But on the other hand he was not able to finish him and having such big round (10-7, 10-6, 10-6)
he was clearly outboxed the rest of the fight (3-7) ending with draw only. ok stick to the topic people: I NEED TO RETALIATE COZ I CRIED LIKE A BABY AFTER THEY HIT GOLOTA ON THE GOLOTA EXPRESS:hey :hey :hey

[H .]

:heyHey, your slip's showing. I told you this guy is a Pac hater. He can't accept Pac's total performance in that fight. Anyway, enough w/ you. :hi:

I didn't slip, I simply acknowledged his comment. fool

[Stinky gloves]

Btw 2 - "to much of him getting back p4p" when did he was in p4p list :patsch
see domngo was right he is indeed pathetic compared to pac:patsch :patsch

MAN, you so blind nuthugger. PAC is #1 or #2 fighter in the world, he is at his peak.
Now you comparing 40y old Golota who lost all he could to PAC and you saying he is pathetic ... you Einstein :yikes
Maybe you going to set thread like that with poll:

"Hi, I'm PAC nuthugger I think Golota is pathetic comparing PAC who is better fighter overall ... "

- Do you really think I'm right?
- Maybe there is slight possibility 40y old Golota is somehow better?
- Do you think PAC nuthuggers like me are obsessive morons and imbecyles?

Geez stick to the fucking topic :deal

[mad_takamura]

the rematch should happen, its like talking politics or religion in here..it never ends:yep this thread sucks... this topic was already debated WAYBACK before and now he's only bringing it back because of his tears for golota tsktsk..that's why i feel sorry for this guy:verysad

[boxbox]

enough of this..has been debated too many times with the same outcome.

The REMATCH is in the making, so until then..enjoy other fights! 2007 is a great boxing year!

[mad_takamura]

it's pretty obvious what your real intentions are! this shit is already debated before why go back at it again!!?!?:patsch :patsch

"Geez stick to the fucking topic " so what? so you can hit at the ones who had a view that marquez didn't school pac? man i can understand your gay feelings for golota but don't pretend sheesh!!:-(

[Stinky gloves]

it's pretty obvious what your real intentions are! this shit is already debated before why go back at it again!!?!?:patsch :patsch

"Geez stick to the fucking topic " so what? so you can hit at the ones who had a view that marquez didn't school pac? man i can understand your gay feelings for golota but don't pretend sheesh!!:-(

You are relly pathetic, you so obsessed with Golota I fell sorry for you!
Don't like topic of this thread then post somewhere else!

[theunderdog]

You are relly pathetic, you so obsessed with Golota I fell sorry for you!
Don't like topic of this thread then post somewhere else!

obessed with golota and you pity him? you should be buddies, you're both obsessed with the dude

[Stinky gloves]

I told you this guy is a Pac hater. He can't accept Pac's total performance in that fight.

That is my intention to see what was his total performance in that fight. :think

He off course flored Marquez 3 times in the first round which shows exceptional performance over there.
However if you see this differently Marquez show exceptional determination and pretty solid chin. So 10-7 would be all right.

But to ansfer what was PAC total perfromance you must count the other 11 rounds
and MOST people see that these rounds were not even close.
I'm not hating on PAC, I just want to know how is that poor performance fitting the #2 pond-4-pound fighter?
I like PAC and want to see him to be the true #1 pvp but some exceptions do not allow me to be his nuthugger like you guys.

So if you are not PAC nuthugger or if you are but you are not complete imbecyle then tell me the truth, don't be shy.

And to be clear in one aspect:
YES Golota would kill PAC in the ring with both broken hands and legs.
YES again, PAC is better fighter than Golota would ever immagine to be, so stop this nonsense.

[theunderdog]

That is my intention to see what was his total performance in that fight. :think

He off course flored Marquez 3 times in the first round which shows exceptional performance over there.
However if you see this differently Marquez show exceptional determination and pretty solid chin. So 10-7 would be all right.

But to ansfer what was PAC total perfromance you must count the other 11 rounds
and MOST people see that these rounds were not even close.
I'm not hating on PAC, I just want to know how is that poor performance fitting the #2 pond-4-pound fighter?
I like PAC and want to see him to be the true #1 pvp but some exceptions do not allow me to be his nuthugger like you guys.

So if you are not PAC nuthugger or if you are but you are not complete imbecyle then tell me the truth, don't be shy.

And to be clear in one aspect:
YES Golota would kill PAC in the ring with both broken hands and legs.
YES again, PAC is better fighter than Golota would ever immagine to be, so stop this nonsense.

but the judge himself said that if he knew 10-6 was a possible score, then he would have made it scored it that way

[Stinky gloves]

but the judge himself said that if he knew 10-6 was a possible score, then he would have made it scored it that way

I don't have problem with the first round, whathever it was 10-6 or 10-7 :conf
it doesn't change the fact that PAC performance in the next 11 rounds was not so briliant. :deal
So make me his nuthugger, tell me something I should know to belive he was really better than Marquez :hand

[mad_takamura]

I don't have problem with the first round, whathever it was 10-6 or 10-7 :conf
it doesn't change the fact that PAC performance in the next 11 rounds was not so briliant. :deal
So make me his nuthugger, tell me something I should know to belive he was really better than Marquez :hand know what stinky? this would go on again and again in a stupid cycle:huh even if the facts would be laid in front of you , you would not accept it why don't you go and dig the old threads and learn from your own ignorance eh?:huh

[Stinky gloves]

know what stinky? this would go on again and again in a stupid cycle:huh even if the facts would be laid in front of you , you would not accept it why don't you go and dig the old threads and learn from your own ignorance eh?:huh

Why you don't light me up and put these facts in the next post se we can see if I can accept them or not?
The only I need is just a little logic so I can believe in your story. So what your word?

Btw. You know the ESB just crashed a few weeks ago and old threads doesn't exist, do you?

[Morrissey]

That is my intention to see what was his total performance in that fight. :think

He off course flored Marquez 3 times in the first round which shows exceptional performance over there.
However if you see this differently Marquez show exceptional determination and pretty solid chin. So 10-7 would be all right.

But to ansfer what was PAC total perfromance you must count the other 11 rounds
and MOST people see that these rounds were not even close.
I'm not hating on PAC, I just want to know how is that poor performance fitting the #2 pond-4-pound fighter?
I like PAC and want to see him to be the true #1 pvp but some exceptions do not allow me to be his nuthugger like you guys.

So if you are not PAC nuthugger or if you are but you are not complete imbecyle then tell me the truth, don't be shy.



What was your scorecard for that fight? Round by Round?

[Stinky gloves]

What was your scorecard for that fight? Round by Round?

A draw is fair, it means Marquez won 7-4 the latest rounds.

[Stinky gloves]

It was declard DRAW by the judges and whatever opinions we have here will not alter their decision that was made 3 years ago. Move on, dude. Just wait for the rematch and hope that the results would be decisive that we don't need to debate anymore. Otherwise, we're just wasting our time.

Stop nitpicking, dude, whatever you say won't count anyway.

You did not discover the America by saying that judges declared a draw.
The rematch isn't in the works and I doubt that it will be soon, Soto and Valero are more probably.

So I guess you don't have to say anything which is in agreement to facts or logic
which could explain why PAC was schooled (sorry ... OUT-TECHNIQUED)by Marquez in rounds 2-11?
Is the only you have is your famous "whathever"?

I know, I know how many spelling bugs is in my post I will take it like a man if you just bring them up in the next post ...
or you may just answer with usual "whathever dude" :lol: :lol: :lol: .

[Morrissey]

A draw is fair, it means Marquez won 7-4 the latest rounds.

In effect, it is 7-5.

Was that a schooling?

[Stinky gloves]

In effect, it is 7-5.

Was that a schooling?

Did I ask about the latest 11 rounds or you just cannot read my broken english?

[Morrissey]

Did I ask about the latest 11 rounds or you just cannot read my broken english?

A schooling is when you win the fight. A complete shut-out. Certainly, that was not the case here.

I'll tell you what, JMM won the midrounds for me, from Round 3 - 7, then from then on, it was a nip and tuck, close battle.

[SugarShane_24]

To answer the very question that was asked from the beginning "Do you think PAC was schooled by Marquez?" was such a difficult task for all of you huh?

It's just a matter of simple "yes or no" with an accompanying paragraph to evaluate why.

I guess flame war is the new thing at ESB.

It's a matter of personal preference anyway and explaining everyone's standpoint on the matter.

Here's my take, JMM showed off his excellent boxing and counterpunching skills to Pac, but NO, he didn't really schooled him. A lot of rounds were bitterly contested and JMM never really had it all his way. He had to work overtime from rounds 2-12.
You can't be blamed for scoring the fight on either man's favor.

[digiram]

Def. Schooled, but three KO's were awesome. I think he learned something from it though, and has a more varied arsenal now. He's not just jab jab left anymore.

[Stinky gloves]

To answer the very question that was asked from the beginning "Do you think PAC was schooled by Marquez?" was such a difficult task for all of you huh?

It's just a matter of simple "yes or no" with an accompanying paragraph to evaluate why.

I guess flame war is the new thing at ESB.

It's a matter of personal preference anyway and explaining everyone's standpoint on the matter.

Here's my take, JMM showed off his excellent boxing and counterpunching skills to Pac, but NO, he didn't really schooled him. A lot of rounds were bitterly contested and JMM never really had it all his way. He had to work overtime from rounds 2-12.
You can't be blamed for scoring the fight on either man's favor.

Thats first professional post in a long time, thanks man.

[boxbox]

To answer the very question that was asked from the beginning "Do you think PAC was schooled by Marquez?" was such a difficult task for all of you huh?

It's just a matter of simple "yes or no" with an accompanying paragraph to evaluate why.

I guess flame war is the new thing at ESB.

It's a matter of personal preference anyway and explaining everyone's standpoint on the matter.

Here's my take, JMM showed off his excellent boxing and counterpunching skills to Pac, but NO, he didn't really schooled him. A lot of rounds were bitterly contested and JMM never really had it all his way. He had to work overtime from rounds 2-12.
You can't be blamed for scoring the fight on either man's favor.


:good

[charlievint]

Ya, I know PAC flored him 3 times in the first round and breaking his nose.
But on the other hand he was not able to finish him and having such big round (10-7, 10-6, 10-6)
he was clearly outboxed the rest of the fight (3-7) ending with draw only.

Not at all. JMM did do very well and outboxed Manny for the most part, but Pac gave a good showing but JMM showed he was more skilled, but overall with the tremendous 1st round, Pac should have won. Far from a schooling.

[loui_ludwig]

-Without the mistake of that 1 judge, it is a split decision for Pac. He had it 113-113. So he has it, without the knockdowns, 115-113, 7 rounds to 5 for JMM.
-1 judge had it 115-110 for JMM.
The judge that has Pac winning 115-110, without the 3 knockdowns, he will have it 115-113. Which means he has it 7-5 for Pac.
-Lederman(a former judge), had it 115-110 for Pac. while Merchant has it a close decision for Pac
-The media has it split between the two.
-A lot of fans do not point to this, but there was 5 low blows(or more) committed by JMM. In a schooling, u do not need to do low blows.
-Without the mistake, it favors Pac by split decision.
-Without 3 knockdowns, it favors JMM by split decision. But u just can't say with the knockdowns, cuz it happened in the fight. There were no controversy about the knockdowns.
-Media is split.
-This debate in this forum is split on who won.
-The official reslt is a DRAW.

Conclusion: It is NOT a schooling. A schooling does not win by a Split decision. A schooling does not result in a DRAW. A schooling does not have the media or the fans split on who was the winner. It wins by a UNANIMOUS decision.

[Bazooka]

I dont think Marquez Schooled Pacquio Manny was in the fight every moment of the fight, Marquez did fight back and got back in the fight no doubt and did a damn good job of it.
However the truth about the outcome was not what Marquez did nor was it what manny did, it was what one of the three judges did not do, he did not award Manny that extra point he did deserve which would have won Manny that fight.

[loui_ludwig]

I dont think Marquez Schooled Pacquio Manny was in the fight every moment of the fight, Marquez did fight back and got back in the fight no doubt and did a damn good job of it.
However the truth about the outcome was not what Marquez did nor was it what manny did, it was what one of the three judges did not do, he did not award Manny that extra point he did deserve which would have won Manny that fight.

Exactly. That is the only controversy.