Aaron Pryor Chin - Pick A 140 LB Fighter... [Archive]

Russell

10-06-2008, 06:33 PM

To break IT. Is such a thing even possible at Pryor's favored weightclass?

The power and precision combination brought by Alexis Arguello couldn't do it. Could a larger fighter with equal parts power and precision in Kosta Tszyu do it?

How about the left hook of Esteban De Jesus which dumped Duran on his ass twice?

Maybe the combination of skills Ike Williams brought to the table?

radianttwilight

10-06-2008, 06:37 PM

There really aren't that many great punchers in 140 history.

Pryor fought perhaps the best in Arguello and still wasn't bothered.

la-califa

10-06-2008, 06:43 PM

There really aren't that many great punchers in 140 history.

Pryor fought perhaps the best in Arguello and still wasn't bothered.Technically Arguello was a 130 Pounder at his absolute best. At 140 he didn't have the pop he was known for. There are a few 140 pounders with power. Dujan Johnson had power, but Pryor took it. Frankie Randall had a powerful right hand. Miguel Cotto's left hook was deadly. Carlos"Bollilo"Gonzalez had a brutal right hand. Tony Baltazar's left hook was a weapon. These are just a couple of honorable mentions.

Russell

10-06-2008, 06:44 PM

Technically Arguello was a 130 Pounder at his absolute best. At 140 he didn't have the pop he was known for. There are a few 140 pounders with power. Dujan Johnson had power, but Pryor took it. Frankie Randall had a powerful right hand. Miguel Cotto's left hook was deadly. Carlos"Bollilo"Gonzalez had a brutal right hand. Tony Baltazar's left hook was a weapon. These are just a couple of honorable mentions.

Do you feel that there's a 140 pound that could stop Pryor?

A lighter fighter moving up?

GazOC

10-06-2008, 06:50 PM

I think Duran could stop Pryor, its not a certainty but very possible given the styles of the two fighters.

la-califa

10-06-2008, 06:51 PM

Do you feel that there's a 140 pound that could stop Pryor?

A lighter fighter moving up? Very hard to say. Pryor was prown to go down early on flash knockdowns. But once the fight gets going his chin was very solid. & the funny thing is, he didn't roll with the punches. He took them straight on and kept on coming. Probably if I had to say, Duran & maybe Armstrong. Not by sheer power but by volume, relentless pounding & eventually wear down Pryor. & possibly a Lightweight Napoles moving up. had good speed & power.

Sweet Pea

10-06-2008, 07:06 PM

Duran would break him down, but Williams would test his chin, and possibly stop him. Williams/Duran has always been highly intriguing.

the cobra

10-06-2008, 09:58 PM

I could see Duran stopping him but more by accumulation and generally bodypunching, just breaking him down instead of actually cracking Pryor's chin.

Williams is a good call for one who could possibly do it. Pryor would probably eat Tszyu's right hand with not that much affect. There are big pure punchers from 135 like Lew Jenkins who could land a bomb and possibly do it, but he was far from the level of fighter required to beat Pryor and would most likely himself get stopped. Henry Armstrong and Pryor would go to war and it would be interesting to see what Armstrong could do to Pryor.

JohnThomas1

10-07-2008, 04:28 AM

I think Duran could possibly turn the trick, and Chavez would be dangerous over 15 to a lesser extent. I think SRL would have shot down the Hawk at 147. All opinion of course.

ghoster

10-07-2008, 04:33 AM

I agree Arguello was moving up, but Pryor was so wired by that point of his career he was pretty unstoppable. Kameda and D. Johnson each floored him and at the time there was questions going around about his chin.

Loewe

10-07-2008, 04:39 AM

Henry Armstrong and Roberto Duran would be my picks. Additionally that would be great great fights. Ike Williams shouldn´t be forgotten.

la-califa

10-08-2008, 01:56 PM

Do you feel that there's a 140 pound that could stop Pryor?

A lighter fighter moving up?If you really want to put Pryor's Chin to the test. Have a thread with the same situation & Pryor moving UP to 147. Lots of Deadly bangers in Welter History.

melhear

10-09-2008, 09:05 AM

I'd pick Tszyu in his prime to take Prior out. Unfortunately Tszyu was in his prime before anyone knew much about him.Ask Vernon Forest.Probably the best Junior Welterweight the world never got to really see.

Ezzard

10-09-2008, 09:08 AM

Tszyu would dot he trick IMO. His timing was good that he'd bounce Aaron up and down...

Ia gree with JT that guys like Duran and Chavez could possibly grind him down...

A young Robinson would have won this bet.

WhataRock

10-09-2008, 09:17 AM

I actually dont see Tszyu stopping him more than likely.

Kostya was a very hard hitter but he didnt have a whole lot of one punch ko's or explosively turned around bouts with his power.

I dont think anyone would enjoy taking a shot from him but I think the intensity of Duran is whats needed to take out the Hawk.

Sonny Carson

10-09-2008, 03:10 PM

If Zoo couldn't take Vince Phillips and Roger Mayweather out he definitely couldn't take Pryor out. And the people who say Arguello didn't have power at 140 need to stop lying. He took out a guy who had never been knocked out in Kevin Rooney and KO'ed Billy Costello after he fought Pryor. He brought the power to 140.

Titan1

12-30-2009, 07:23 PM

Maybe Bruce Curry, but that is a longshot.

JohnThomas1

12-30-2009, 07:43 PM

Maybe Bruce Curry, but that is a longshot.

Curry wouldn't know what hit him lol

Pryor would smash him, and i'm no Pryor lover.

PowerPuncher

12-30-2009, 07:48 PM

No votes for Sugar Ray Robinson and Napoles? Duran is another obvious choice

Frazier Hook

12-30-2009, 08:26 PM

Kosta's right hand?

frankenfrank

12-31-2009, 12:49 PM

Pacquiao would have stopped him like he did everyone recently.

The Morlocks

01-01-2010, 06:02 AM

Do you feel that there's a 140 pound that could stop Pryor?

A lighter fighter moving up?

i think a young, in his prime kid pambele kos pryor. Cervantes was a terrific and dangerous fighter in his prime and i think he takes pryor out.:fuckoff

JohnThomas1

01-01-2010, 09:01 AM

I respectfully disagree on that one. Lesser men than Pryor went the distance with him and it's going to take one helluva strong fighter to stop him. I really don't think Cervantes has the punch, good as he was at one time.

BENNY BLANCO

01-01-2010, 09:06 AM

Maybe De La Hoya could have cracked Pryor chin at 140, but Oscar only has like 3 or 4 fights at that weight so it is hard to gauge.

JohnThomas1

01-01-2010, 05:37 PM

Did Johnson really rock him silly tho, or did he catch him off balance as was common with Pryor. I'll have to watch it again, but i don't remember Pryor being as seriously hurt as that.

Even drug rooted Pryor took the bombs of Bobby Joe Young, who was a murderous puncher even if he didn't live up to his potential.

Casamayor122

01-01-2010, 05:57 PM

Even drug rooted Pryor took the bombs of Bobby Joe Young, who was a murderous puncher even if he didn't live up to his potential.

So much wrong with this post. Bobby Joe Young was a low level fighter with average power coming off a loss and was supposed to be an easy fight for Pryor.

JohnThomas1

01-01-2010, 06:36 PM

So much wrong with this post. Bobby Joe Young was a low level fighter with average power coming off a loss and was supposed to be an easy fight for Pryor.

Well sometimes we have to do more than just scratch the surface. Do you actually know the era? Some points......

1. Bobby Joe Young at one time (albeit prematurely in hindsight) won the award of hardest punching 147 in the world.

2. At one time Bobby was bracketed right there with Curry and McCrory as the three best up and comers at 147. As i correctly stated, he didn't live up to his potential.

3. Young's loss was a decision and nobody said he was a great fighter, it's his punching power that is my point and Pryor took plenty of them.

4. This fight is against a bigger man, not just a 140, and as i point out a big puncher.

5. Did you actually see the fight, the punches, and how it actually finished?

6. Pryor had not fought for 2 1/2 years and looked ragged when he last did. We know he doing a shitload of drugs and we know very well that it caught up with him bigtime.

The bottom line is this.

With all factors taken into account i believe the Young fight gives Pryor's chin more credibility than other.

Casamayor122

01-01-2010, 07:23 PM

Well sometimes we have to do more than just scratch the surface. Do you actually know the era? Some points......

1. Bobby Joe Young at one time (albeit prematurely in hindsight) won the award of hardest punching 147 in the world.

2. At one time Bobby was bracketed right there with Curry and McCrory as the three best up and comers at 147. As i correctly stated, he didn't live up to his potential.

3. Young's loss was a decision and nobody said he was a great fighter, it's his punching power that is my point and Pryor took plenty of them.

4. This fight is against a bigger man, not just a 140, and as i point out a big puncher.

5. Did you actually see the fight, the punches, and how it actually finished?

6. Pryor had not fought for 2 1/2 years and looked ragged when he last did. We know he doing a shitload of drugs and we know very well that it caught up with him bigtime.

The bottom line is this.

With all factors taken into account i believe the Young fight gives Pryor's chin more credibility than other.

Bobby Joe Young's only KO win in his last 10 fights is against Pryor. Big puncher? I've seen Young only in his loss to Brown and the strange fight with Pryor. How do you explain the lack of KO wins on his record against low level opposition if he was a big puncher?

Sonny Carson

01-01-2010, 08:49 PM

I don't even see the Pryor-Bobby Jhnson fight as being a knock on Pryor's chin. That was a coked up past his best inactive Pryor. Pryor was knocked off balance a couple of times, but I never really saw him badly hurt in his prime. Dude stood up to some monster punches from DuJuan Johnson as that fight went on.

laxpdx

01-01-2010, 09:19 PM

Duran would win by late KO or decision, like everyone says, through accumulation of punches that would wear an opponent out.

Napoles also had the skill and power to do so, as long as Pryor didn't inflict that tide-turning cut.

Ike Williams I feel could score a late KO. Pryor's style plays into his hands IMO.

Pryor-Armstrong would be a tossup.

leverage

01-01-2010, 09:50 PM

Pryors chin was not all that people thought that it was. He took illegal stimulants under the guide of panama lewis because lewis knew that pryor would have to take punches to get inside because of his lack of height and reach.

Pryor was a talented fighter, perhaps even a great fighter but he didn't possess the chin of steel that people believed he had. He definitely had help. The bombs that arguello landed on him would have hurt fighters several divisions above his weight.

My2Sense

01-01-2010, 09:51 PM

I think Pacquiao would have the best chance. Not only does he hit both fast and hard, but Pryor has been an open target vs. southpaws.

My2Sense

01-01-2010, 09:53 PM

No votes for Sugar Ray Robinson and Napoles?

Both very possible, although it's hard to say for sure with such little footage of either one at 140.

Stonehands89

01-01-2010, 10:02 PM

I think Pacquiao would have the best chance. Not only does he hit both fast and hard, but Pryor has been an open target vs. southpaws.
Good call.

JohnThomas1

01-02-2010, 03:49 AM

Bobby Joe Young's only KO win in his last 10 fights is against Pryor. Big puncher? I've seen Young only in his loss to Brown and the strange fight with Pryor. How do you explain the lack of KO wins on his record against low level opposition if he was a big puncher?

That would be 9 fights, and you're twisting stats to suit. Let me add my twists.

In his last 29 wins before Pryor Young had 22 stoppages. The man could punch, but like Shavers (on a much lesser level of course) didn't have the ability to take full advantage of it. Alex Ramos was another of the time with superb power who couldn't make it pay. His KO ratio is nothing special tho young's is fair at 60% odd.

Box rec stats are no substitute for being in the thick of things at the time or researching deeply. At one time he was 17-2 with 16 ko's and Ring noted "hook and right cross carry knockout power". He was trained by Harold Weston, Sr. He dropped two close decisions to Hearns in the ams, one in a national final.

The Morlocks

01-02-2010, 11:46 AM

So much wrong with this post. Bobby Joe Young was a low level fighter with average power coming off a loss and was supposed to be an easy fight for Pryor.
Young was a brutal puncher

The Morlocks

01-02-2010, 11:48 AM

TheGreatA

01-02-2010, 12:13 PM

Bobby Joe Young was a good puncher and Pryor was KO'd by a headbutt anyway. But I agree that the likes of Duran, Williams, Napoles could score a KO against Pryor.

Mantequilla

01-02-2010, 12:16 PM

The pride of manchester.

Sweet Pea

01-02-2010, 12:29 PM

I think Pacquiao would have the best chance. Not only does he hit both fast and hard, but Pryor has been an open target vs. southpaws.
Pacquiao's roids vs Pryor's coke. Hmmmm?

GPater11093

01-02-2010, 12:31 PM

The pride of manchester.

:rofl

Flea Man

01-02-2010, 12:56 PM

It looks to me like it's the combination of punch and headbutt that got Ryor so dazed against Young.

On his best day I don't think anyone stops The Hawk at 140, though there's a few that would beat him.

Casamayor122

01-02-2010, 01:32 PM

That would be 9 fights, and you're twisting stats to suit. Let me add my twists.

In his last 29 wins before Pryor Young had 22 stoppages. The man could punch, but like Shavers (on a much lesser level of course) didn't have the ability to take full advantage of it. Alex Ramos was another of the time with superb power who couldn't make it pay. His KO ratio is nothing special tho young's is fair at 60% odd.

Box rec stats are no substitute for being in the thick of things at the time or researching deeply. At one time he was 17-2 with 16 ko's and Ring noted "hook and right cross carry knockout power". He was trained by Harold Weston, Sr. He dropped two close decisions to Hearns in the ams, one in a national final.

How many Bobby Joe Young fights have you seen?

Casamayor122

01-02-2010, 01:35 PM

Young was a brutal puncher

How many Bobby Joe Young fights have you seen?

How can you comment on a fighter that you admit you never really saw but those 2 fights toward the end.

Pryor came off a 3 year layoff to fight a brutal puncher at a weight class he's never fought at before?