primo carnera vs ron lyle

[shommel]

does the ambling alp whip the ex con?

[mr. magoo]

Lyle.

[Loewe]

Nope I don´t think so. I suppose this fight goes similar to Baer-Carnera.

[McGrain]

What an interesting fight!

Carenera is the more vulnerable of the two but I wonder if he couldn't ache his way to a close points win? I think that's the way i'd lean.

[ChrisPontius]

I'd go with Carnera by UD. Lyle is perceived as a big hitter, and certainly he was a big, strong man, but who did he actually stop? The only one i can think of is Ernest Shavers, who pretty much had a glass jaw anyway. And his usual size/strength advantage would actually be a disadvantage against Carnera, who has better wins than Lyle.

[mcvey]

I'd go with Carnera by UD. Lyle is perceived as a big hitter, and certainly he was a big, strong man, but who did he actually stop? The only one i can think of is Ernest Shavers, who pretty much had a glass jaw anyway. And his usual size/strength advantage would actually be a disadvantage against Carnera, who has better wins than Lyle.



He dropped Foreman 2 times in one round. That right there is more than Canera ever did in his career. Ron Lyle by first round murder.
I'm probably going to regret this ,but here goes.Max Baer who was a far superior hitter to Lyle, had Primo on the deck multiple times yet it took him 11 rds to stop the giant,Carnera was not a great fighter but he was game,I don't see Lyle stopping him early at all .Lyle was a good puncher ,but his ko resume over TOP MEN is VERY thin.

[ChrisPontius]

I'm probably going to regret this

Don't worry, it's the best thing you ever said, this week.

[he grant]

Lyle destroys him in a few rounds ...

Max Baer was not a much bigger hitter than Lyle. I question if Baer was even as big a hitter as Lyle ...

[mcvey]

Don't worry, it's the best thing you ever said, this week.
C P ,why do we keep taking the bait?My excuse is ,I'm the "Old fool There's No Fool Like",what's yours?

[mcvey]

Lyle destroys him in a few rounds ...

Max Baer was not a much bigger hitter than Lyle. I question if Baer was even as big a hitter as Lyle ...
Apart from Earnie Shavers who was kod 7 times ,Lyle kod NO RANKED fighters.Baer kod Carnera,Schaaf [for 3 minutes] Heeney,Campbell[who died].Floored Farr twice ,something Louis couldn't do,and ,when aging ,and past it stopped Comiskey and Galento.I don't think there are many posters who would agree with you ,certainly not me.

[Loewe]

Apart from Earnie Shavers who was kod 7 times ,Lyle kod NO RANKED fighters.Baer kod Carnera,Schaaf [for 3 minutes] Heeney,Campbell[who died].Floored Farr twice ,something Louis couldn't do,and ,when aging ,and past it stopped Comiskey and Galento.I don't think there are many posters who would agree with you ,certainly not me.

You missed Schmeling on that list.

[Loewe]

Apart from Earnie Shavers who was kod 7 times ,Lyle kod NO RANKED fighters.Baer kod Carnera,Schaaf [for 3 minutes] Heeney,Campbell[who died].Floored Farr twice ,something Louis couldn't do,and ,when aging ,and past it stopped Comiskey and Galento.I don't think there are many posters who would agree with you ,certainly not me.


Who in the hell was Farr? I know who he is but is he a hall of fame fighter? Tyson didnt knock out James Tillis but other fighters could. That doesnt prove anything. Schaff, Heeney and Cambell are all just names. Neither one of them are hall of famers and neither of them could take a punch like Foreman and Lyle still floored him 2 times.

Lyle knocks out Carnera with ease.

Those were all ranked top contenders of the era. How many top contenders of his era did Lyle KO? Right one.

[ChrisPontius]

C P ,why do we keep taking the bait?My excuse is ,I'm the "Old fool There's No Fool Like",what's yours?

I'm the village idiot. :yep

[fists of fury]

I'd go with Lyle, a better, more polished boxer who fought an overall better caliber of opponent.

[mcvey]

You missed Schmeling on that list.
Yes ,out of deference to you,[actually I forgot him].

[mcvey]

I'm probably going to regret this ,but here goes.Max Baer who was a far superior hitter to Lyle, had Primo on the deck multiple times yet it took him 11 rds to stop the giant,Carnera was not a great fighter but he was game,I don't see Lyle stopping him early at all .Lyle was a good puncher ,but his ko resume over TOP MEN is VERY thin.


Can you prove Baer was a harder puncher? Did you get hit by him or Lyle? But based on Lyle facing better opponents and again knocking down Foreman i2 times in one round is alot more impressive than Carnera fighting Max Baer.
I cant prove that George Foreman hit harder than Jimmy Young ,but I think he did,does that answer your question MR Confrontation? Schaaf, Heeney ,Campbell and Schmeling were all RATED CONTENDERS,LYLE KOD ONE, Shavers who was kod 7 times, dropped by Bob Stallings, a non puncher for a 9 count, destroyed in 1 round by Jerry Quarry, kod by Randy Cobb who had minimal power,and Tough man winner Ron Stander,Lyle credentials as a top hitter are too thin.You base his rep on dropping Foreman twice,Young and Ali dropped Foreman.are they big hitters?

[he grant]

Thin comparisons regarding Ali and Young ... both dropped exhausted Foreman's ... Foreman said in his entire career no one ever hit him as hard as Ron Lyle. Joe Bugner said the same. Lyle was also fighting much bigger and stronger guys than the light heavyweights and cruisers Baer fought ... regardless, I say Lyle destroys Carnera , a terrible match up for Primo ...

[mcvey]

Thin comparisons regarding Ali and Young ... both dropped exhausted Foreman's ... Foreman said in his entire career no one ever hit him as hard as Ron Lyle. Joe Bugner said the same. Lyle was also fighting much bigger and stronger guys than the light heavyweights and cruisers Baer fought ... regardless, I say Lyle destroys Carnera , a terrible match up for Primo ...
Some of the men Baer bet who weren't cruisers include
Schaaf 2091/2
Comiskey 207
Hankinson 214
Foord 2081/2
Carnera 263 1/4
Wright 230

[mcvey]

I cant prove that George Foreman hit harder than Jimmy Young ,but I think he did,does that answer your question MR Confrontation? Schaaf, Heeney ,Campbell and Schmeling were all RATED CONTENDERS,LYLE KOD ONE, Shavers who was kod 7 times, dropped by Bob Stallings, a non puncher for a 9 count, destroyed in 1 round by Jerry Quarry, kod by Randy Cobb who had minimal power,and Tough man winner Ron Stander,Lyle credentials as a top hitter are too thin.You base his rep on dropping Foreman twice,Young and Ali dropped Foreman.are they big hitters?



Thin comparisons regarding Ali and Young ... both dropped exhausted Foreman's ... Foreman said in his entire career no one ever hit him as hard as Ron Lyle. Joe Bugner said the same. Lyle was also fighting much bigger and stronger guys than the light heavyweights and cruisers Baer fought ... regardless, I say Lyle destroys Carnera , a terrible match up for Primo ...

Exactly. Most of the people you brought up that Baer fought were cruiserweights. Then why bring up how many times Shavers got knocked out but when a person mentions Archie Moore was knocked out countless times so Marciano struggling to knock him out means nothing. At least Shavers was actually a heavyweight and Ron Lyle still knocked him out. As He Grant said Young and Ali dropped Foreman from fatigue and Lyle did it becuase of his power.

Besides that you can't name a heavyweight ( 205 plus pound guy) who was good that Carnera beat period.
Carnera beat some men over 2oo lbs
Some of the better ones would include
Neusel 201
Impelletiere 258
Uzcudun 2021/2
Sharkey 201
Schaaf 207
Gorman 2231/2

If you weren't so concerned with trashing eveyone's posts ,you might have noticed that I haven't actually picked a winner of this match up.But then it's all bout what you are saying isn't it?

[clark]

Lyle wins by stoppage.

[he grant]

Man this board is filled with so many hotheads it is a bit sad ... it's a shame as there are many really knowledgable guys and no need to get in each others face like high school all the time ...

[heehoo]

Lyle by KO.

He had massive power in his fists, was a bit more technical (though not by much) but was a boxing virtuoso compared to the Ambling Alp, who had height, reach, power, but no other skills I can think of.

[mcvey]

Man this board is filled with so many hotheads it is a bit sad ... it's a shame as there are many really knowledgable guys and no need to get in each others face like high school all the time ...
I have answeredl, your questions so what's your problem?

[mcvey]

You didn't ask for Fighters as good as those you named, you said good fighters.Neusel beat
Schmeling
Tandberg
Peterson
Loughran
Levinsky
Poreda
Foord.


Schaaf
beat
Uzcudun
Poreda
Griffiths
Braddock
Baer
Stribling
Those are good fighters imo.
Lyle might well crush Carnera ,my original point ,which I thought I would regret making,[and I was right],was that Lyle doesnt walkover the Giant in a blow out.

[ChrisPontius]

Carnera beat Sharkey who is about the same level as Lyle. He also beat Tommy Loughran, an excellent contender, Uzcudun twice, Schaaf, Laski and others.

Lyle beat a much past it Ellis, Bonavena (very good win, probably his best), a mediocre Bugner and gave good efforts against Foreman and Ali, but came up short and Young and Quarry, despite the latter being old and smaller, gave him a boxing lesson.

[mcvey]

Carnera beat Sharkey who is about the same level as Lyle. He also beat Tommy Loughran, an excellent contender, Uzcudun twice, Schaaf, Laski and others.

Lyle beat a much past it Ellis, Bonavena (very good win, probably his best), a mediocre Bugner and gave good efforts against Foreman and Ali, but came up short and Young and Quarry, despite the latter being old and smaller, gave him a boxing lesson.
Well you can take over now ,I knew it was a mistake from the start!