Mikkel Kessler is superior to ever fighter Bernard Hopkins has ever beat

[China_hand_Joe]

That is to say Kessler is a better 168-er than Wright is at 170 and better than Oscar or Trinidad were at 160. I know a few Americans will go, "Fuck off, that is bullshit." But if we think about it an undefeated unified champions is logically a bigger threat than any blown up welterweight with so-so sucess at middleweight.

[China_hand_Joe]

Wrong forum and multiple grammatical errors in the title.

[McGrain]

Wrong forum and multiple grammatical errors in the title.

Yeah, true.

You may be right though.

Having said that it's often the way he beats these fighters.

But p4p I think Kessler may be better than the fighters B-Hop beat at the weight he beat them.

[yesihavearm]

That is to say Kessler is a better 168-er than Wright is at 170 and better than Oscar or Trinidad were at 160. I know a few Americans will go, "Fuck off, that is bullshit." But if we think about it an undefeated unified champions is logically a bigger threat than any blown up welterweight with so-so sucess at middleweight.


Eh ? Based on what ?

Seriously where has this Mikkel Kessler bandwagon come from, his best opponent by about a MILLION MILES has been a timid Anthony Mundine.

If you think that deserves him to be mentioned with the likes of ATG's like oscar winky and tito then you clearly dont have a fucking clue.

[McGrain]

If you think that deserves him to be mentioned with the likes of ATG's like oscar winky and tito then you clearly dont have a fucking clue.


Well p4p Oscar and Winky obviously outsrips Kessler by a country mile. But do you really think Oscar is BETTER at 160 than Kessler is at 168?

[Unforgiven]

Eh ? Based on what ?

Seriously where has this Mikkel Kessler bandwagon come from, his best opponent by about a MILLION MILES has been a timid Anthony Mundine.

If you think that deserves him to be mentioned with the likes of ATG's like oscar winky and tito then you clearly dont have a fucking clue.

I think the point made is that Oscar was about as good as Felix Sturm at 160.
Wright is unproven at 170. Is Wright an elite super-middle/light-heavy ?

Tito was an elite middleweight but his reputation was built as an outstanding welter.
I think Trinidad is arguable definitely, but Oscar and Wright were very ordinary in the divisions they fought B-Hop at.

[cross_trainer]

Oscar is debateable, and you're right about Wright. But Trinidad at 160 is still better than Kessler at 168 in a pound for pound sense. Not by much, though.

Hopkins is greater than Calzaghe because he managed to become undisputed middleweight champion over (on average) better opposition, and defend it frequently despite age. He also has the linear lightheavyweight champion, terrible though the latter is. Not that either guy has stellar opposition, but Bernard edges it.

If Calzaghe beats Kessler, he's still going to be a hair below Bernard, but he'll be much better in the eyes of posterity...especially if he can re-nab the IBF.