For the good of boxing, Roy Jones has to win

[margo82]

Roy Jones is the most talented boxer I've ever seen, it will be a great shame to his career further tarnished with a loss to Calzaghe.

Jones was a genius and it's not right to see him stacking up losses on his record.

Calzaghe's a very good fighter, but he shouldn't be getting rewarded for cherry picking and avoiding any tough challenges, then picking on old men.

Plus, at this stage of his career, beating a P4P Top 5 fighter would be brilliant for Jone's record and put him even higher in an ATG list.

[TFFP]

It doesn't tarnish anything. Roy Jones will be remembered for what he was.

[stittyb]

I personally think it will be an excellent and very competitive fight, can't wait for it. I think Calzaghe's got this one though, and I think every one needs to lay off him about choosing to fight Hopkins and RJJ, Hopkins was a top 10 p4p fighter and ring mag Light-heavyweight champ when Calzaghe fought so I think he opted for a very tough challenge there(as evidence by their gruelling encounter).

[Beeston Brawler]

I don't know why, but for some reason I am beginning to edge towards Jones.

Stupid really, hasn't had a meaningful win for ages - the last bloke he stopped was Clinton Woods yonks ago.

Perhaps he has a last great performance in him, I don't know.

[D-MAC]

Calzaghe is P-4-P superior to both Tarver and Johnson.

A loss to Joe isn't gonna tarnish Roys legacy any more than losses to those two have already.

I can see Jones-Calzaghe panning out in a similar manner to Jones-Tarver III, with Jones content to lose with dignity by going the distance, and Calzaghe being content to let him, seeing as he is the one who is gonna get the W anyway.

[BIG WORM]

Roy Jones Tko!!!!

[margo82]

If Jones is clever, he can win this.

He needs good movement and needs to make Calzaghe chase him around the ring.

When Calzaghe gets close, Jones has enough speed to land the left hook.

He needs the same gameplan as Hopkins, just with a lead left instead of a lead right and busier.

I think he can definitely floor Calzaghe as Hopkins did as well.

[GazOC]

So is the fight a tough challenge for Calzaghe? Your first post says no but the second post says he may well lose??

[margo82]

Roy Jones is way his best.

This fight has gone from being a 1% chance of a Calzaghe win years ago, to Calzaghe being a favourite now.

But I give Jones a shot at winning, but Calzaghe should win, because Jones is finished.

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

I don't know why, but for some reason I am beginning to edge towards Jones.

Stupid really, hasn't had a meaningful win for ages - the last bloke he stopped was Clinton Woods yonks ago.

Perhaps he has a last great performance in him, I don't know.
I have the same feeling.

I thought this was a stupid fight for Calzaghe to take as he's simply going to demolish a shell of what Roy Jones once was.

However, I have a strange feeling this could end up in Calzaghe's first loss...

[GazOC]

Thats just a psychological way of hedging your bets, people make sure picks and then start doubting themselves closer to fight time. Its also means they can tell themselves they were (kind of) right no matter who wins...;O)

[trotter]

I can see Jones-Calzaghe panning out in a similar manner to Jones-Tarver III, with Jones content to lose with dignity by going the distance, and Calzaghe being content to let him, seeing as he is the one who is gonna get the W anyway.

That's the way I see it too, Calzaghe points win must be a very short price

[BIG WORM]

ive said jones will win right from the start.. i think he'll win

[KCD]

Jones will be remebered for what he has acheived as opposed to how he is fighting now.

Having said that Jones has lost to far inferior opposition in Glencoffe Johnson and Antonio Tarver x2.

Ive said this before i think this is going to be far more competitive than alot of people think, personally i think Pavlik is made for Caslzaghe and he should have aimed for this fight.

[D-MAC]

ive said jones will win right from the start.. i think he'll win

No you haven't.

In the thread "ask Jeff a question" you asked Jeff Thomas who would win Calzaghe-Jones. Jeff replied that he wanted Roy to win, but that he thought Joe would take it. You agreed with him, saying that was the way you were leaning too, citing the fact that Roy was old and wrinkly.

[D-MAC]

That's the way I see it too, Calzaghe points win must be a very short price

I would love to see a multiple-knockdown war, but can't honestly see anything remotely like that happening in reality.

Hope I'm wrong.

[BIG WORM]

No you haven't.

In the thread "ask Jeff a question" you asked Jeff Thomas who would win Calzaghe-Jones. Jeff replied that he wanted Roy to win, but that he thought Joe would take it. You agreed with him, saying that was the way you were leaning too, citing the fact that Roy was old and wrinkly.

yea but i said it from the start, roys old and wrinkly - i was agreeing to be polite, i still think roys got a massive chance of winning

i aint betting my life on it, i dont care man its a 50/50 fight.. its a hard one to choose (for me!! maybe not for experts as yourself)

i look at calzaghes chances and see roy as inactive and old, with all his reflexes gone - then i look at the trinidad fight and see roy showing glimpses of quality.. its a pick'em fight

i'll stick with roy jones to win, n if he looses u can call me a cunt

[GazOC]

Jeff won't get upset if you disagree with him.....;O)

[Sir James]

I dont know why people are even debating the question on whether this tarnishes Jones legacy.

The answer is no it does not. Everything that Jones has done since Ruiz has been that of a shot fighter. I have not seen him in one single impressive fight since Ruiz.

Also the outcome is not even in question. Calzaghe wins this easily as Jones is completely shot. He should have retired years ago.

[BIG WORM]

yh i know but i did agree with him, i have different days where i see joe being to0 strong then others where i see roy out boxing him

roy could rise to the ocasion with the brits screaming, it might hype him up.. and its in America.. joe looked out of place in america last time i thought

jones has dealt with biggers fighters, and calzaghe cant punch that hard - roy might start getting cocky and start showing his old self..

[GazOC]

ive said jones will win right from the start.. i think he'll win

So are you sure?;)

[BIG WORM]

yea im sure.. roy will win TKO rnd 7

[achillesthegreat]

Jones winning doesn't help him because it helps to legitimise his losses to Tarver and Johnson.

[chino1]

yup i think roy as 1 more good fight in him and he knows how to win roy by unanimos desicion roy jones is a baaaaaaaad man

[Decebal]

I'd say, for the good of boxing, it has to be a close competitive fight in which we see high-level performances from both fighters.

[Sir James]

I'd say, for the good of boxing, it has to be a close competitive fight in which we see high-level performances from both fighters.


Jones has not won impressively since Ruiz. Why is he all of a sudden going to become competitive again at the highest level?

Calzaghe will win this via a wide points decision, due to the reasons I have already given.

[Decebal]

Jones has not won impressively since Ruiz. Why is he all of a sudden going to become competitive again at the highest level?

Calzaghe will win this via a wide points decision, due to the reasons I have already given.

If he cannot, it won't be a great fight. And if neither can and it's close, it will be a rather dull, relatively meaningless fight.

Just like per usual, right? This fight is no exception; same rules apply. The best fights are made up by two strong, contrasting performances.

In this fight, we'll have two very experienced, intelligent fighters trying to outhustle each other. But if it's not tactical, it will be rubbish, yeah, because neither have great physical skills anymore.

[FLINT ISLAND]

heres the key thing

everyones focusing on Jones being a over the hill fighter

but how much as Calzaghe faded?

His last performance - while against probaly the most diffcult ring savvy oponnet of his career - Calzaghe lacked a spark in that fight.

Mentally I think Calzaghe took that fight complacently.

Amercia is a factor as well.

Psycologically harder than being at the Cardiff Ice Rink.

It might be a closer fighter than a Calaghe clear UNA 12

Who would have thought old man Popkins would have pushed him so close?

[Decebal]

Who would have thought old man Popkins would have pushed him so close?

Some of the very best "analysts" on ESB, sean, Dorfmeister, McGrain for example. They weren't banking so much on Calzaghe fading physically, but on the styles involved and Hopkins making Calzaghe get nowhere

[GazOC]

heres the key thing

everyones focusing on Jones being a over the hill fighter

but how much as Calzaghe faded?

His last performance - while against probaly the most diffcult ring savvy oponnet of his career - Calzaghe lacked a spark in that fight.

Mentally I think Calzaghe took that fight complacently.

Amercia is a factor as well.

Psycologically harder than being at the Cardiff Ice Rink.

It might be a closer fighter than a Calaghe clear UNA 12

Who would have thought old man Popkins would have pushed him so close?

How much of that was Calzaghe being faded and how much as Hopkins just making him look bad? Impossible to say IMHO.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Thats it - how faded was old man popkins too - he is in his 40's.

Calzaghe could be fading fast - if so Roy has a growing chance

[GazOC]

Theres even another month for Calazaghe to decline further before fight time, I doubt he'll be able to tie his own shoe laces by the weekend....;O)

[FLINT ISLAND]

this could just come down to skill though

maybe Jones can old man his way to a decsion with fast jabs and clever left hooks and rope a dope counters

[JonOli]

I want Jones to win because I don't want future boxers seeing Calzaghes resume as a blueprint to greatness.

[Decebal]

I want Jones to win because I don't want future boxers seeing Calzaghes resume as a blueprint to greatness.

Oh, come on...Calzaghe isn't great because he wasn't beaten etc., but because of the performances he put in, given the quality of the opponent's performance. You can lose all your fights and still become great if you always give very good performances against very good opponents.

[JonOli]

I like to see Great fighters fight, and test themselves against other truley Great fighters - that is all I have to say on this rather worn subject. ;)

[Decebal]

I like to see Great fighters fight, and test themselves against other truley Great fighters - that is all I have to say on this rather worn subject. ;)

:D :good

[SqueezyFlump]

Joe hasn't lost his spark, nor is he slipping. The only threat to his win is his attitude. He is so fast and so sure of himself that he repeatedly lowers his guard and has taken shots in the past that never should have landed. He can take a beating and likes to show off. I just hope he doesnt let his ego run away with him. Go Joe.

[Decebal]

Joe hasn't lost his spark, nor is he slipping. The only threat to his win is his attitude. He is so fast and so sure of himself that he repeatedly lowers his guard and has taken shots in the past that never should have landed. He can take a beating and likes to show off. I just hope he doesnt let his ego run away with him. Go Joe.

I think that's bang on, mate! It's mainly an attitude problem. He said himself he was much too relaxed when he went in against Hopkins. He just couldn't get up for the fight and it almost cost him. I

[stittyb]

For the good of boxing Calzaghe has to win! Think of the possible fights that would open up....

[alba]

i want joe to win .

[Boro chris]

Roy Jones is the most talented boxer I've ever seen, it will be a great shame to his career further tarnished with a loss to Calzaghe.

Jones was a genius and it's not right to see him stacking up losses on his record.

Calzaghe's a very good fighter, but he shouldn't be getting rewarded for cherry picking and avoiding any tough challenges, then picking on old men.

.

Tough shit. If RJJ didn't want anymore losses he should've retired.
As for saying its not right to see him stacking up losses are you saying his opponents have no right to win?

Calzaghe's old and had a long hard career, I'd rather he fought Pavlik or Dawson but I can't begrudge him the biggest money fights out there. He knows he'll get fuck all credit for fighting another young gun (see Lacy/Kessler) so why the hell not?

[Boro chris]

Theres even another month for Calazaghe to decline further before fight time, I doubt he'll be able to tie his own shoe laces by the weekend....;O)

:lol:

[El Cepillo]

Roy Jones is the most talented boxer I've ever seen, it will be a great shame to his career further tarnished with a loss to Calzaghe.

Jones was a genius and it's not right to see him stacking up losses on his record.

Calzaghe's a very good fighter, but he shouldn't be getting rewarded for cherry picking and avoiding any tough challenges, then picking on old men.

Plus, at this stage of his career, beating a P4P Top 5 fighter would be brilliant for Jone's record and put him even higher in an ATG list.

Roy Jones Jnr's legacy is already established, doesn't matter at all what happens against Calzaghe, if he loses - he was old and shot anyway, if he wins it enhances his legacy, either way - he gets paid!

[Max Molyneux]

Maybe another loss will tell Roy to retire.

Even In his prime he was nearly %100 percent reliant on his reflexes. Can't believe they allowed him to put his hands behind his back and still not hit him!

[D-MAC]

Maybe another loss will tell Roy to retire.

Even In his prime he was nearly %100 percent reliant on his reflexes. Can't believe they allowed him to put his hands behind his back and still not hit him!

:lol:

I don't think they had much choice in the matter. His reflexes were awesome.

[Words]

ive said jones will win right from the start.. i think he'll win

:good

[Broxi]

Tough shit. If RJJ didn't want anymore losses he should've retired.
As for saying its not right to see him stacking up losses are you saying his opponents have no right to win?

Calzaghe's old and had a long hard career, I'd rather he fought Pavlik or Dawson but I can't begrudge him the biggest money fights out there. He knows he'll get fuck all credit for fighting another young gun (see Lacy/Kessler) so why the hell not?


Yep, if he beat Pavlik, it would be endless tirades about how Dawson would kill him, if he beat Dawson, he would be ducking Pavlik. Even after that it would be someone else ... Diaconu?

As for Roys chances, I think the spectre of those KOs plays on the mind of Jones. I'm hoping he's going to come into the fight positive and aggressive because he doesn't fear Calzaghes power and like someone else said JC tends to let the moment get to him and drops his hands and showboat. Jones might just fancy his chances of catching him flush.

[Benjiabc]

if its such a shame for roy to lose the he should not take fights he will probably lose

[FLINT ISLAND]

fucking right its for the good of boxing Calzaghe loses

fucking right its for the good human nature and morals he loses

this is a pension fight for Calzaghe - nothing more than ££££££££

because multi millionaire Calzaghe complained openly in the media that he

"maybe fincially secure - but he hasnt made no where near the money he should"

Fucking bollocks that is you Welsh village idiot.

Its your own fault sticking with ****** for the paper title 10 year reign

Also he only feels short changed cos he with a over inflated ego is comparing his fortune to the likes of Naseem Hamed and Lennox Lewis and Ricky Hatton


But Calzaghes a boring cunt - he has not got the markeability of these fighters and has turned down prmotional work in the past

I think Calzaghe should feel lucky that he has earned so well

But this is what the ungrateful sod is going to spend his Roy Jones fight purse on


*New clothes, Jewellery, Shoes, Suits, Food, Drink, = £400,000.

*Wedding ring for Jo Emma = £500,000 -

(he could get a nice one for £20,000 but he wants to keep up with the Beckhams these days)

*Money to give to his sons to "secure their future" = £2,000,000.

*Property aboroad he will never live in as a "investment" = £2,000,000

*New cars, tractor, helicopter, plane, boat, yacht, quad bike = £1,500,000

*Holidays to exotic places and top hotels = £500,000.

*Wedding to Jo Emma with no expense spared = £1,000,000

*New gym to train fighters in new career = £500,000

*Money for savings and pension he will never probaly spend =
£2,879,657

Calzaghe is a greedy bastard these days who is only fighting Roy Jones for these extra "treats"

[Beeston Brawler]

You won't build much of a gym for £500k, I can tell you that much :deal

[BIG WORM]

roy jones will win, his power will be too much for joe.. joes gonna get ripped apart to the body..

i watched clips of roy then joe and joes presence in the ring is soo small compared to roys.. its like roys on a higher level to joe.. and i think ROYS punches will have a massive effect on joe ...... on the setanta advertising clips showing there upcoming fights, u see joe fighting kessler then roy against tito.. and joe looks small and shrimpy.. and roy looks massive.. aswell as roys footwork.. and movement.. everything.. roy wont need to move much coz joe dont stop coming forward.. roy dont have to work his socks off all he needs to do is make joe feel his power and slow him down which i think he can do coz joe aint got no defence.. and roys still quick

aswell joes bodys skinny, he aint got no muscle or nothing on his body.. hes hardly been hit cleanly to the body.. he might have a good chin but no1 knows about his body..

calzaghes gonna walk onto too many punches

and i think hes got more than he showed against tito