Oldest champion still to be Foreman

[Chief_Second]

unless someones gives holyfiield a title shot late in 2008, Foreman's records will remain

Foreman won the title at 45 years, 9 months, 26 days
Holyfield is getting a shot at 44 years, 11 months, 24 days

maybe if holyfield loses a SD and has a gap filling fight and takes on Sultan a year later he could beat Foremans record.

[paulfv]

Cool, glad it will still be GF's record

[Unforgiven]

Foreman won the REAL WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.

Holyfield is fighting for a WBO title.
Of course if he wins he plans to take on the other titlists and establish himself as the real champion.
It's unlikely that he'll do that though. Still, I guess only a few people have a better chance of doing it at heavyweight at the moment.

[Arcane]

:think

[jeromejones]

Times have changed my friend

[doylexxx]

foreman still is oldest champ even after bhop but not oldest to win it !

[itsa huge bitch]

a 45 yr old will never be hw champion again..the division was fucking shite back then regardless of what people try to say..i mean if a fat head can come back and win a title it just shows u it was fucking abismal..but ofcourse it was an awsome era because there was yank champions

[jakelamotta]

a 45 yr old will never be hw champion again..the division was fucking shite back then regardless of what people try to say..i mean if a fat head can come back and win a title it just shows u it was fucking abismal..but ofcourse it was an awsome era because there was yank champions
:nut

[naldo marshal]

b-hop= 46

[JCC_is_overated]

a 45 yr old will never be hw champion again..the division was fucking shite back then regardless of what people try to say..i mean if a fat head can come back and win a title it just shows u it was fucking abismal..but ofcourse it was an awsome era because there was yank champions


Holyfield got robbed against Valuev that would of had him break the record. What does this tell you about the current Heavyweight era?

[GrizzyBeard]

Holyfield got robbed against Valuev that would of had him break the record. What does this tell you about the current Heavyweight era?

He would have been in now way the lineal champion. Holyfield would have ben destroyed at any stage vs vlad.

[cesare-borgia]

I could actually see vitali make a comeback for this in 5 years just to break that record if there are some weak beltholders which is really possible.

[T.S.]

unless someones gives holyfiield a title shot late in 2008, Foreman's records will remain

Foreman won the title at 45 years, 9 months, 26 days
Holyfield is getting a shot at 44 years, 11 months, 24 days

maybe if holyfield loses a SD and has a gap filling fight and takes on Sultan a year later he could beat Foremans record.

An incredible accomplishment! I don't think Foreman gets near the credit he deserves :fire When he beat Moorer at age 45, he busted the record books and engraved his name into boxing immortality :thumbsup

Oldest HW to win a championship title (45 years)
Largest age discrepancy for HW title fight (19 years)
Longest span in between HW titles (20 years)

He's also the oldest HW to lose the belt :bbb:!:

I doubt we'll ever see this again in HW boxing fight fans! :-(
Here's to Big George :good

[itsa huge bitch]

Holyfield got robbed against Valuev that would of had him break the record. What does this tell you about the current Heavyweight era?
it tells me don king is a corrupt cunt and thats the only reason valuev had the fucking wba title to begin with..valuev is prob one of the worst champions of all time..and all because don king wanted to make money on his freak show..so please revert to sucking cock as ur nonsence post means nothing..foreman winning the title then shows how poor the division was that a fat has been came back and won a fucking title..but yet it was meant to be superier just because the so called bigger names actually fought each other??please tell your story walking

[lufcrazy]

it tells me don king is a corrupt cunt and thats the only reason valuev had the fucking wba title to begin with..valuev is prob one of the worst champions of all time..and all because don king wanted to make money on his freak show..so please revert to sucking cock as ur nonsence post means nothing..foreman winning the title then shows how poor the division was that a fat has been came back and won a fucking title..but yet it was meant to be superier just because the so called bigger names actually fought each other??please tell your story walking

Stupid post. Valuev beat ruiz on a questionable decision, moorer beat holyfield on a questionable decision. Foreman beat moorer at a record breaking age. Holyfield beat valuev at a record breaking age.

The comparison is valid and you can't use one to deride one era.

The reason the 90's was a great era is because it had names like foreman, holmes, holyfield, tyson, lewis who are all top 15 heavyweights. It also had bowe who is a top 30.

This era has wlad, who is top 15 and vitali who is top 30.

[itsa huge bitch]

listen if a fat 45 yr old comes back and wins a title then the division sucks ass..regardless of how you want to word it..

[lufcrazy]

listen if a fat 45 yr old comes back and wins a title then the division sucks ass..regardless of how you want to word it..

So today's hw division sucks?

[JASPER]

Stupid post. Valuev beat ruiz on a questionable decision, moorer beat holyfield on a questionable decision. Foreman beat moorer at a record breaking age. Holyfield beat valuev at a record breaking age.

The comparison is valid and you can't use one to deride one era.

The reason the 90's was a great era is because it had names like foreman, holmes, holyfield, tyson, lewis who are all top 15 heavyweights. It also had bowe who is a top 30.

This era has wlad, who is top 15 and vitali who is top 30.


LOL, i am glad you pointed out this double talk because I was about to. To add to your point Big George is one the herdest punchers of all time. Its more likely that someone in their mid-40s with massive power could KO a younger man than he should be able to out box them. Power is the last thing to go.

[doylexxx]

I could actually see vitali make a comeback for this in 5 years just to break that record if there are some weak beltholders which is really possible.

Lennox could do it today:deal

[Boxed Ears]

a 45 yr old will never be hw champion again..the division was fucking shite back then regardless of what people try to say..i mean if a fat head can come back and win a title it just shows u it was fucking abismal..but ofcourse it was an awsome era because there was yank champions

If you are Kazakh WBA champion, people say only paper champion but if American Ring People Magazine Champion from America people say you are slick oldest ever true champion make me think unmitigate reminiscence maybe. :-(

[itsa huge bitch]

So today's hw division sucks?
listen if that makes u feel better than fine...ive already explained to you my thoughts on valuev..and if im not mistaken what does it say beside holyfield vs valuev in the books???anyway foreman came back and won a belt against a decent champion in the era so like i said..if a fat old man can come back and win a title then the era sucks...did foreman not defend it against top 10 guys back then??when did valuev ever fight a top 10 guy??and did holyfield retire get fat then come back??nope...gd day sir..by the way yeboah was fucking shite

[itsa huge bitch]

If you are Kazakh WBA champion, people say only paper champion but if American Ring People Magazine Champion from America people say you are slick oldest ever true champion make me think unmitigate reminiscence maybe. :-(
you are correct sir..americans and idiots who keep going on about how gd boxers where back in the day...how about piss off i say to them...

[cesare-borgia]

Lennox could do it today:deal
there is no way at this point that lennox is beating wlad or vitali but several years ago vs ruiz or valuev he could have easily won, im happy lennox never came back his record and reputation is great no need to mess it up.

[lufcrazy]

LOL, i am glad you pointed out this double talk because I was about to. To add to your point Big George is one the herdest punchers of all time. Its more likely that someone in their mid-40s with massive power could KO a younger man than he should be able to out box them. Power is the last thing to go.

Yeah the guy's being clearly contradictory

[lufcrazy]

listen if that makes u feel better than fine...ive already explained to you my thoughts on valuev..and if im not mistaken what does it say beside holyfield vs valuev in the books???anyway foreman came back and won a belt against a decent champion in the era so like i said..if a fat old man can come back and win a title then the era sucks...did foreman not defend it against top 10 guys back then??when did valuev ever fight a top 10 guy??and did holyfield retire get fat then come back??nope...gd day sir..by the way yeboah was fucking shite

Why would it make me feel better? I just don't want you looking silly by contradicting yourself.

Moorer was not in the top 5 of the 90's.

No foreman disappeared into obscurity.

Basically if you are saying that an old man winning a title makes a division shit then you have to say today's division is shit.

Yeboah's volley against liverpool was amazing.

[chitownfightfan]

I think Holy fought a great fight against Valuev. He stayed right up against Valuev the entire night, never allowing the beast to get a clean straight shot on him. All the while, Evander threw shots on the inside clearly (IMO) outpointing the giant.

The ringside judges didn't agree. They saw Holy's punches as ineffective and thought that Valuev did enough on the outside to earn the decision. I disagree, as do most, but it what it is.

Foreman was heading for a wide UD loss to Moorer. Moorer was easily outpointing Big George, even hurting him from time to time. It ended in dramatic fashion. Had Holy done the same thing to Valuev we wouldnt' be having this conversation I suppose.

As for comparisons to the level of talent......Cmon. Look at the 4 major titles, and count the # of champions holding the 4 major belts through the 90s.
Then count the same # from 2000-2011. It is clear that the total Klitschko domination is far superior to the pass-a-strap era of the 90s.

If Wlad and Vitali were never born, there would be 20 different Hw titlists holding there major titles, just like there was in the 90s.:-(

[lufcrazy]

I think Holy fought a great fight against Valuev. He stayed right up against Valuev the entire night, never allowing the beast to get a clean straight shot on him. All the while, Evander threw shots on the inside clearly (IMO) outpointing the giant.

The ringside judges didn't agree. They saw Holy's punches as ineffective and thought that Valuev did enough on the outside to earn the decision. I disagree, as do most, but it what it is.

Foreman was heading for a wide UD loss to Moorer. Moorer was easily outpointing Big George, even hurting him from time to time. It ended in dramatic fashion. Had Holy done the same thing to Valuev we wouldnt' be having this conversation I suppose.

As for comparisons to the level of talent......Cmon. Look at the 4 major titles, and count the # of champions holding the 4 major belts through the 90s.
Then count the same # from 2000-2011. It is clear that the total Klitschko domination is far superior to the pass-a-strap era of the 90s.

If Wlad and Vitali were never born, there would be 20 different Hw titlists holding there major titles, just like there was in the 90s.:-(

i don't understand this "it is what it is" mentality. anyone watching the fight can see holyfield deserved to beat valuev.

in the 90's, between bowe throwing his belt away and foreman going into onscurity the picture got a bit murky. but once tyson came out of prison it wasn't so murky any more, he blasted his way to the top and was clearly number 1. as was holyfield when he beat him, as was lewis when he beat him.

so 93-95 maybe it got messy, but by and large it's quite clear douglas->holyfiled->bowe......tyson->holyfield->lewis.

int the 2000's it could be argued it went lewis-rahman-lewis...vitali...byrd->wladimir just as much "strap passing" as you put it.

Not to mention Lewis completely unified all the claims, including a win over Akinwande who was the wbo champ.

to declare this era far superior is crazy imo. wlad will most likely overtake the heavies back then, but the talent pool just isn't as deep.

bowe and vitali have similar-ish resumes. bowe is considered to have a piss weak resume in comparison to the 90's, vitali is considered to have the second strongest resume today.

[itsa huge bitch]

Why would it make me feel better? I just don't want you looking silly by contradicting yourself.

Moorer was not in the top 5 of the 90's.

No foreman disappeared into obscurity.

Basically if you are saying that an old man winning a title makes a division shit then you have to say today's division is shit.

Yeboah's volley against liverpool was amazing.
whats your fav..the volley against liverpool or the thunderbolt against wimbledon??well i said a fat old man makeing a comeback makes the division shite..which is still my stance..1st of all holyfield isnt fat..he didnt retire and most importantly he didnt win...and like i said valuev was givin a title just because he was a huge bitch

[lufcrazy]

whats your fav..the volley against liverpool or the thunderbolt against wimbledon??well i said a fat old man makeing a comeback makes the division shite..which is still my stance..1st of all holyfield isnt fat..he didnt retire and most importantly he didnt win...and like i said valuev was givin a title just because he was a huge bitch

change my mind every time on that one!

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holyfield didn't retire but he had his lecence revoked due to his skills declining too rapidly.

ofcourse he beat valuev, watch the fight, blatant robbery.

[itsa huge bitch]

change my mind every time on that one!

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holyfield didn't retire but he had his lecence revoked due to his skills declining too rapidly.

ofcourse he beat valuev, watch the fight, blatant robbery.
listen you dont have to tell me holy was robbed..so was larry donald..dosnt change the fact valuev was givin the title..moorer wasnt..foreman was being schooled and won..the 80s and 90s sucked..just because it had a few guys who had great fights with each other they where considered good fighters..if our top contenders fought each other as they did back then..then we wouldnt be calling this era shite..we also wouldnt be saying the k bros beat bums..challangers would actually earn there shots then lose to wlad or vitali then ppl cudnt deny they actually beat the best...you prob have to go with the liverpool volley just because of my hate for liverpool and the fact it was way more difficult to have something like that come off

[lufcrazy]

listen you dont have to tell me holy was robbed..so was larry donald..dosnt change the fact valuev was givin the title..moorer wasnt..foreman was being schooled and won..the 80s and 90s sucked..just because it had a few guys who had great fights with each other they where considered good fighters..if our top contenders fought each other as they did back then..then we wouldnt be calling this era shite..we also wouldnt be saying the k bros beat bums..challangers would actually earn there shots then lose to wlad or vitali then ppl cudnt deny they actually beat the best...you prob have to go with the liverpool volley just because of my hate for liverpool and the fact it was way more difficult to have something like that come off

course it changes it. when i see holy school valuev i don't suddenly decide valuev won just cos some judges saw different.

the guys are fighting each other now tho

wlad-haye
vit-adamek
chambers-thompson
helenius-peter
pov-chag
fury-chisora etc

ye brilliant technique on that volley, i try hitting it like that in training, usually results in me fagging the ball lol

[itsa huge bitch]

course it changes it. when i see holy school valuev i don't suddenly decide valuev won just cos some judges saw different.

the guys are fighting each other now tho

wlad-haye
vit-adamek
chambers-thompson
helenius-peter
pov-chag
fury-chisora etc

ye brilliant technique on that volley, i try hitting it like that in training, usually results in me fagging the ball lol
yes but wheres pov v helenious then pov v haye pov v adamak..if pov cleaned out the heavyweight division hes be considered a top guy then fighting wlad would be great..surly u can see where im going with this..example of what i mean..holyfield and lewis beating all the same guys they fight which means they are fight greats of there era...which ppl keep saying wlad dosnt do for the simple reason the contenders dont fight each other often enough...outstanding technic fortuntly for me ive yet to face anyone who could pull that out of there locker tho i reackon i could have saved it lol

[lufcrazy]

yes but wheres pov v helenious then pov v haye pov v adamak..if pov cleaned out the heavyweight division hes be considered a top guy then fighting wlad would be great..surly u can see where im going with this..example of what i mean..holyfield and lewis beating all the same guys they fight which means they are fight greats of there era...which ppl keep saying wlad dosnt do for the simple reason the contenders dont fight each other often enough...outstanding technic fortuntly for me ive yet to face anyone who could pull that out of there locker tho i reackon i could have saved it lol

It would be better which is why i'm hoping they'll continue fighting each other now.

Lol as a star striker i'm sure i'd put a few past you

[itsa huge bitch]

It would be better which is why i'm hoping they'll continue fighting each other now.

Lol as a star striker i'm sure i'd put a few past you
lol well im not a bad keeper so im sure id make it hard for you (no homo lol)..you play am footy or semi pro??it would be way better if they fought alot like they used to we wouldnt have this problem which people seem to talk about..the talent is there but theres just 2 many greedy promoters who would rather milk that fucking 0 than take on someone dangerous

[lufcrazy]

lol well im not a bad keeper so im sure id make it hard for you (no homo lol)..you play am footy or semi pro??it would be way better if they fought alot like they used to we wouldnt have this problem which people seem to talk about..the talent is there but theres just 2 many greedy promoters who would rather milk that fucking 0 than take on someone dangerous

Amateur sunday league football.

I agree, promoters ruin it now with rankings being decided by money and not by results (apart from ring mag rankings)

[itsa huge bitch]

Amateur sunday league football.

I agree, promoters ruin it now with rankings being decided by money and not by results (apart from ring mag rankings)
cool..i dont play to many matches on a sunday thank god lol..i play semi pro up here in sunny scotland....yes to many greedy fuckers who need to piss of and stop ruining the sport for us..but im sure haters of certain fighters would still hate anyway

[johnnykoolkid]

i don't understand this "it is what it is" mentality. anyone watching the fight can see holyfield deserved to beat valuev.

in the 90's, between bowe throwing his belt away and foreman going into onscurity the picture got a bit murky. but once tyson came out of prison it wasn't so murky any more, he blasted his way to the top and was clearly number 1. as was holyfield when he beat him, as was lewis when he beat him.

so 93-95 maybe it got messy, but by and large it's quite clear douglas->holyfiled->bowe......tyson->holyfield->lewis.

int the 2000's it could be argued it went lewis-rahman-lewis...vitali...byrd->wladimir just as much "strap passing" as you put it.

Not to mention Lewis completely unified all the claims, including a win over Akinwande who was the wbo champ.

to declare this era far superior is crazy imo. wlad will most likely overtake the heavies back then, but the talent pool just isn't as deep.

bowe and vitali have similar-ish resumes. bowe is considered to have a piss weak resume in comparison to the 90's, vitali is considered to have the second strongest resume today.

because, well it is what it is :lol:
its boxing, what are you gonna do? fighters get robbed :-(

[lufcrazy]

cool..i dont play to many matches on a sunday thank god lol..i play semi pro up here in sunny scotland....yes to many greedy fuckers who need to piss of and stop ruining the sport for us..but im sure haters of certain fighters would still hate anyway

Yeah I love watching boxing but I prefer to play football. Gutted when the scum beat city today tho, then again being in scotland you might not understand the concept of man united and how they're received.

Definitely right on both, promoters ruin the sport and haters gonna hate.

[lufcrazy]

because, well it is what it is :lol:
its boxing, what are you gonna do? fighters get robbed :-(

Consider the lmw division today. Would you prefer cotto to fight paul williams over lara? I mean williams got the win right, lara might have deserved it but it is what it is?

[itsa huge bitch]

Yeah I love watching boxing but I prefer to play football. Gutted when the scum beat city today tho, then again being in scotland you might not understand the concept of man united and how they're received.

Definitely right on both, promoters ruin the sport and haters gonna hate.
yea i understand the hate for man utd..leeds and liverpool both hate them aswell as city ofcourse...im more of a chelsea fan tho..behind the mighty gers of course lol

[boxingfanneato]

Stupid post. Valuev beat ruiz on a questionable decision, moorer beat holyfield on a questionable decision. Foreman beat moorer at a record breaking age. Holyfield beat valuev at a record breaking age.

The comparison is valid and you can't use one to deride one era.

The reason the 90's was a great era is because it had names like foreman, holmes, holyfield, tyson, lewis who are all top 15 heavyweights. It also had bowe who is a top 30.

This era has wlad, who is top 15 and vitali who is top 30.

in terms of skill vitali is far superior to his brother. he would kick his ass easily

[johnnykoolkid]

Consider the lmw division today. Would you prefer cotto to fight paul williams over lara? I mean williams got the win right, lara might have deserved it but it is what it is?

No, Lara got robbed, no doubt, but you're not understanding me, what can WE do about it????? NOTHING, so it is what it is, its inevitable, robberies happen, if boxing had like a fan poll online (HBO or Showtime) after every questionable decision, and the decision would be overturned, then yea, we could be able to do something about it, but we can't :nono