Choc meets Delahoya

[theman1971]

ANTHONY MUNDINE is a step closer to breaking into the tough US boxing market after a meeting in Los Angeles with Rabbitohs co-owner Russell Crowe and pugilistic great Oscar De La Hoya.
Organised by Crowe, the hastily arranged meeting took place on Wednesday at a Pasadena hotel and was also attended by Mundine's manager, Khoder Nasser, and Raul Jaimes, the executive vice-president of De La Hoya's company Golden Boy Promotions.
Crowe, who has been a long-time Mundine supporter, was in LA to promote his latest movie, Body Of Lies, while De La Hoya also took time out from preparations for his $US100 million ($145m) welterweight bout with Filipino Manny Pacquiao in Las Vegas on December 6.
Initially intended to be an introduction over lunch, the meeting quickly turned into a discussion about how to help Mundine establish himself in the US.
De La Hoya, who is the biggest boxing promoter in the US, offered to promote a fight for Mundine next year to boost the two-time super-middleweight world champion's profile and pave the way for a big-money bout in 2010.
"It's pretty much a done deal," Mundine told The Sun-Herald from Beverly Hills, where he was planning to do some sparring at the famous Wild Card Boxing gym in Hollywood owned by legendary trainer Freddie Roach before returning to Sydney.
"He just wants to get the right fights to get me exposure and he doesn't know whether it would be on a pay-per-view card that is televised internationally or getting me to headline a show on HBO - Boxing After Dark or something like that - but it sounds really promising.
"The meeting wasn't really meant to be about talking business or anything like that, we were just going to go there and whatever goes, goes, but they were really interested and knew a fair bit about my background. Oscar's obviously an avid boxing fan but I was surprised he knew so much. He jokingly said, 'Oh, you're The Man' and he knew all about my world title fights with [Sam] Soliman and [Mikkel] Kessler and [Antwun] Echols.
"He just sounded very excited that he's going to have an opportunity to work with me and that was very humbling on my behalf because he is one of the best pound-for-pound fighters of all time and he wouldn't have shown the interest that he did if he didn't think I had the potential."
Mundine's trip to meet De La Hoya at short notice and his unabashed attempt to lure Danny Green out of retirement for a re-match by taking his next fight against 28-year-old Uruguayan middleweight Rafael Sosa Pintos (31 wins, two losses, 12 knock-outs) to Perth on November 12 prove he is prepared to chase the big fights.
During the meeting, Mundine told De La Hoya he would like to fight the winner of next weekend's Kelly Pavlik-Bernard Hopkins bout in Atlantic City.
"Oscar said, 'Those guys wouldn't fight you because you're not recognised, you haven't won any big fights over here, so what you need to do is get the exposure and then once you beat a few names you can start building a reputation'," Mundine said.
"It's hard because I'm at a stage where I am a dangerous fighter but I don't have the exposure or the runs on the board, so I'm prepared to do that, and it's really exciting on my behalf to know that someone like Oscar De La Hoya is supporting me.
"I also owe a lot to Rusty Crowe for believing in me and supporting me, because if it wasn't for him this probably wouldn't have happened."


J.S.P!!!!!!

[ozziebattler]

ANTHONY MUNDINE is a step closer to breaking into the tough US boxing market after a meeting in Los Angeles with Rabbitohs co-owner Russell Crowe and pugilistic great Oscar De La Hoya.
Organised by Crowe, the hastily arranged meeting took place on Wednesday at a Pasadena hotel and was also attended by Mundine's manager, Khoder Nasser, and Raul Jaimes, the executive vice-president of De La Hoya's company Golden Boy Promotions.
Crowe, who has been a long-time Mundine supporter, was in LA to promote his latest movie, Body Of Lies, while De La Hoya also took time out from preparations for his $US100 million ($145m) welterweight bout with Filipino Manny Pacquiao in Las Vegas on December 6.
Initially intended to be an introduction over lunch, the meeting quickly turned into a discussion about how to help Mundine establish himself in the US.
De La Hoya, who is the biggest boxing promoter in the US, offered to promote a fight for Mundine next year to boost the two-time super-middleweight world champion's profile and pave the way for a big-money bout in 2010.
"It's pretty much a done deal," Mundine told The Sun-Herald from Beverly Hills, where he was planning to do some sparring at the famous Wild Card Boxing gym in Hollywood owned by legendary trainer Freddie Roach before returning to Sydney.
"He just wants to get the right fights to get me exposure and he doesn't know whether it would be on a pay-per-view card that is televised internationally or getting me to headline a show on HBO - Boxing After Dark or something like that - but it sounds really promising.
"The meeting wasn't really meant to be about talking business or anything like that, we were just going to go there and whatever goes, goes, but they were really interested and knew a fair bit about my background. Oscar's obviously an avid boxing fan but I was surprised he knew so much. He jokingly said, 'Oh, you're The Man' and he knew all about my world title fights with [Sam] Soliman and [Mikkel] Kessler and [Antwun] Echols.
"He just sounded very excited that he's going to have an opportunity to work with me and that was very humbling on my behalf because he is one of the best pound-for-pound fighters of all time and he wouldn't have shown the interest that he did if he didn't think I had the potential."
Mundine's trip to meet De La Hoya at short notice and his unabashed attempt to lure Danny Green out of retirement for a re-match by taking his next fight against 28-year-old Uruguayan middleweight Rafael Sosa Pintos (31 wins, two losses, 12 knock-outs) to Perth on November 12 prove he is prepared to chase the big fights.
During the meeting, Mundine told De La Hoya he would like to fight the winner of next weekend's Kelly Pavlik-Bernard Hopkins bout in Atlantic City.
"Oscar said, 'Those guys wouldn't fight you because you're not recognised, you haven't won any big fights over here, so what you need to do is get the exposure and then once you beat a few names you can start building a reputation'," Mundine said.
"It's hard because I'm at a stage where I am a dangerous fighter but I don't have the exposure or the runs on the board, so I'm prepared to do that, and it's really exciting on my behalf to know that someone like Oscar De La Hoya is supporting me.
"I also owe a lot to Rusty Crowe for believing in me and supporting me, because if it wasn't for him this probably wouldn't have happened."


J.S.P!!!!!!

Very strange Mundine admitting he hasnt earned the right to be handed the winner of Pavlik v B-hop.

If he can hurry and get on board with Goldenboy then we will definetly see a big fight mid nextyear for mundine.Could be a great move.

Though its well overdue.

[daz52]

I bet when you read that you just couldnt wait to get on here and post it because you think it means so much eh.... WHO GIVES A FUCK.... He had a lunch whoopdeefuckingdoo! Its too late for Choc he is too old and way past it.. I doubt he gets in the ring with a Pavlik or Taylor or Wright and if he does he will lose...

You know when he should have been doing all these nice little lunches? Straight after the Danny Green fight or the 2nd Soliman fight... But he left it to long and fucked around too much and since that time he got old, got injured badley and fought terrible opposition. These 3 factors combined have fatally hurt Chocs skills and he has NOT looked good since March of 2007.

[shiner]

heard it all before, load of crap

[perfect jet]

I bet when you read that you just couldnt wait to get on here and post it because you think it means so much eh.... WHO GIVES A FUCK.... He had a lunch whoopdeefuckingdoo! Its too late for Choc he is too old and way past it.. I doubt he gets in the ring with a Pavlik or Taylor or Wright and if he does he will lose...

You know when he should have been doing all these nice little lunches? Straight after the Danny Green fight or the 2nd Soliman fight... But he left it to long and fucked around too much and since that time he got old, got injured badley and fought terrible opposition. These 3 factors combined have fatally hurt Chocs skills and he has NOT looked good since March of 2007.

Hard to argue...

[oztriker]

I bet when you read that you just couldnt wait to get on here and post it because you think it means so much eh.... WHO GIVES A FUCK.... He had a lunch whoopdeefuckingdoo! Its too late for Choc he is too old and way past it.. I doubt he gets in the ring with a Pavlik or Taylor or Wright and if he does he will lose...

You know when he should have been doing all these nice little lunches? Straight after the Danny Green fight or the 2nd Soliman fight... But he left it to long and fucked around too much and since that time he got old, got injured badley and fought terrible opposition. These 3 factors combined have fatally hurt Chocs skills and he has NOT looked good since March of 2007.

I agree 100% :good

[lefty]

I personally thought Mundine looked as good as ever in his last fight, but hey

[Francis75]

I personally thought Mundine looked as good as ever in his last fight, but hey

Is his chin the best it's ever been ? He was knocked down and hurt badly by a journeyman, but hey

[sambo1987]

Too little too late.. If this had happened post green or soliman then I'd probably be a Mundine supporter right now, but he didn't and now it's hitting home.

[teke]

I personally thought Mundine looked as good as ever in his last fight, but heyI agree, he was sharp as shit.

If people actually turned the hate radars off they would have noticed it aswell.

[ozziebattler]

Is his chin the best it's ever been ? He was knocked down and hurt badly by a journeyman, but hey

Just because he was a journeyman doesnt mean crazy kim cant bang.

He got mundine right on the button.

Every1 knows im no mouth Mundine fan but cant agree with your post.

Atleast Mundine is atleast over in the U.S and speaking with some of the real powerbrokers of Boxing in De La Hoya.

Better then sitting over here chasing that grub Green around.

[WhataRock]

Choc still looked very quick and fairly sharp against Kim.

But he appeared a little weak and lacked pop in his shots I think. Though he dished it up to a game Kim, the Mundine that bashed Soliman would have taken him out.
Plus his reflexes were a bit off, Kim had no place catching him out as much as he did and knocking him down in the process. Kim is very slow.

[Hmmm]

Will this whole De La Hoya thing be chocs excuse to fight another 3 or 4 bums, this time in USA, before we ever get to see anything worthwhile?

And had he decided not to drop in weight and take on Kessler he may have ended better known in USA anyways (if he beat Kessler).

[teke]

Nasser would have probably been shitting in his pants letting Mundine near Dela Hoya.

In my opinion Mundine wants to fight anyone but his mate doesnt

[ashley]

This is great news.....another 2 years before Mundine has a big fight :huh :dead

[Marcus]

big fight in 2010, what a joke. but thats Mundine lately.

[teke]

big fight in 2010, what a joke. but thats Mundine lately.True so we shouldnt get any hopes. In my opinion Mundine probably loved the whole Dela Hoya experience and took his words to heart in hopes to break into the US Market but when the US dust settles and they have time to think about it and work around their goals.........-----> Nothing will probably happen :-(

Disappointed fan here, imo he could KO Pacman :yep

[pecks]

I havent seen Mundine's fight with Kim, but during his last few fights that I've seen (Hamden, ect), he's been hit too often, well, hit more that his usual evasive self is used to anyway.

I think he's past his peak. A win against Sturm is still achievable, though thats about all he'll achieve from now on, imo.

[WhataRock]

Nasser would have probably been shitting in his pants letting Mundine near Dela Hoya.

In my opinion Mundine wants to fight anyone but his mate doesnt

I dont think Choc wanted any piece of Kessler the 2nd time around.

Wouldnt exactly say he was scared but I think he knew from a business point of view he couldnt afford another loss. Obviously he wasnt to confident of victory in that one.

[Marcus]

i would love to see choc fight sturm, would be a great fight imo. id be backin sturm.

i hope choc goes well overseas but i cant support him for being such a cock his whole career.

[teke]

I dont think Choc wanted any piece of Kessler the 2nd time around.

Wouldnt exactly say he was scared but I think he knew from a business point of view he couldnt afford another loss. Obviously he wasnt to confident of victory in that one.Exactly what is was, he is not scared of anyone he or his manager or both just want no more losses. Fair enough if thats what you want but you will only tip toe to a great status with that thought.

[kel]

Although this news is a positive step forward, sadly i think Choc has missed the boat. Having lunch with the goldenboy after he beat Green wld have been perfect but not now, he's going to be a knock out waiting to happen against the big boys.

BTW Just imagine how much he's skills and speed will decline by 2010?

[ashley]

I wonder what names they are talking about at MW?

Lacy, Manfredo? these guys aint in the same division.

Maybe its Griffen or Mcgirt....are they he big in the USA.....not that big.

I dont see Mundine building a profile in the US against US fighters.

He needs Geale then Sturm before he gets a shot at the big fights.

[mundinechamp]

Last week, George Reno was saying Mundine should be facing the winner of Sturm v Sylvester after his November bout. So if he does that, wins the WBA crown and then heads to the states for a couple of voluntary defenses against medium ranked fighters like an Espino etc, then that could work well to get a fight with the likes of a Pavlik.

[ajay11]

Nasser would have probably been shitting in his pants letting Mundine near Dela Hoya.

In my opinion Mundine wants to fight anyone but his mate doesnt

Was exactly what I thought as I read the Sun Herald :yep

Agree that he should have done this earlier but at least he's over in the US training at the right places and talking to the right people.

Better late than never.

Won't be long before Golden Boy Promotions become the No.1 people to deal with so I wouldn't downplay the meet.

Again it proves that he is doing his best to get the big US fights, not avoiding them.

[ajay11]

I dont think Choc wanted any piece of Kessler the 2nd time around.

Wouldnt exactly say he was scared but I think he knew from a business point of view he couldnt afford another loss. Obviously he wasnt to confident of victory in that one.

Risk outweighed reward.

Had he beat Kessler after his loss to Calzage there would have been those who wouldn't rate the win as high as they should.

Also, where would he go next? His position wouldn't have been that different where as a loss would have been devestating for his career.

Risk outweighed reward.

[ajay11]

Last week, George Reno was saying Mundine should be facing the winner of Sturm v Sylvester after his November bout. So if he does that, wins the WBA crown and then heads to the states for a couple of voluntary defenses against medium ranked fighters like an Espino etc, then that could work well to get a fight with the likes of a Pavlik.

Dont get ahead of yourself...

plenty of wheel'n and deal'n before that even gets off first base.

[Marcus]

Was exactly what I thought as I read the Sun Herald :yep

Agree that he should have done this earlier but at least he's over in the US training at the right places and talking to the right people.

Better late than never.

Won't be long before Golden Boy Promotions become the No.1 people to deal with so I wouldn't downplay the meet.

Again it proves that he is doing his best to get the big US fights, not avoiding them.

Again ? You gotta be kiddin me saying that. When has he ever chased a US fight for real?

and i see the ajay thread has gone, i hope you still wanna put your tips up, just put them in the know your fellow poster thread mate :good

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Anthony 'The Man' Mundine is likely to be introduced to US audiences by a new ring name if plans for him to fight next year on a card promoted by boxing great Oscar De La Hoya come to fruition.

They've got a different name for me over here, Mundine told the Herald's Brad Walter after meeting De La Hoya and representatives of his company, Golden Boy Promotions, in Los Angeles last week.

They call me The Wonder From Down Under. But everyone knows that. It ain't nothing new.

The meeting, organised by Russell Crowe, stemmed from a joke between the Oscar winner and Mundine's manager, Khoder Nasser, and was initially intended as an introduction over lunch. But plans are advanced for Mundine to have possibly two fights in the US next year to help set up a big money bout in 2010.

The Wonder From Down Under!.....I seriously want to throw up!

[Marcus]

He wont fight in America, he should be known as the Gutless Wonder from down under.

or

The One eyed Muslim Monster

[Hmmm]

I think in the USA those who dont know him as 'the man' really actually know hims as Anthony 'the mouth' Mundine due to his 9/11 comments. Im being serious, and maybe thats what choc/oscar was referring to but then sugar-coated it with that wonder from down under bullshit...

[ozziebattler]

The wonder from downunder:huh .

The bloke has been beaten by manny siaca
and ko'd by ottke..:tired

We must be struggling for wonders of the world these days.

[Marcus]

The wonder from downunder:huh .

The bloke has been beaten by manny siaca
and ko'd by ottke..:tired

We must be struggling for wonders of the world these days.


HATER :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I dont know why they cant stick with The Man anyway.

[Francis75]

Mundine needs to step up but he never will.

[CarltonBlues]

He should have done this 2 or 3 years ago, he needs to fight a top contender (pardon the pun) now because he hasn't fought one since Danny Green.

[Wrangler]

Good luck to Mundine. It may be a very shrewd move. Cracking the U.S. may force him into a major bout. Would be good to see how far he has come since Kessler against some high quality opposition. Incidently, meeting up with Golden Boy could certainly help him down the track and would certainly help him get onto a decent undercard to begin with. Hope he does well out of it all.

[mundinechamp]

Dont get ahead of yourself...

plenty of wheel'n and deal'n before that even gets off first base.

You'd imagine he'd be mandatory challenger after the Sturm - Sylvester bout since he's #2 WBA contender. Unless, he has to fight an eliminator bout, which in some sense warranted since he has yet to fight at middleweight.

In any case, he's on the doorstep of fighting for the WBA middleweight title. If he wins that, he's a target for the guys in the states and bigger names in the division and might be seen as less threatening than a Pavlik or Abraham.

It's wishful thinking but after about 6 fights of middle tier bouts since beating Soliman, really should be the norm.

[mundinechamp]

Anthony 'The Man' Mundine is likely to be introduced to US audiences by a new ring name if plans for him to fight next year on a card promoted by boxing great Oscar De La Hoya come to fruition.

They've got a different name for me over here, Mundine told the Herald's Brad Walter after meeting De La Hoya and representatives of his company, Golden Boy Promotions, in Los Angeles last week.

They call me The Wonder From Down Under. But everyone knows that. It ain't nothing new.

The meeting, organised by Russell Crowe, stemmed from a joke between the Oscar winner and Mundine's manager, Khoder Nasser, and was initially intended as an introduction over lunch. But plans are advanced for Mundine to have possibly two fights in the US next year to help set up a big money bout in 2010.

The Wonder From Down Under!.....I seriously want to throw up!

Pretty lame, that's almost a rip off of Kostya Tszyu, the thunder from down under. The yanks must have limited imagination.

[JOSEY WALES]

I Bet Old Oscar nearly chocked on his fucking Taco lunch hearing "Old Mandy shitty knickers " demanding the winner of Pavlik v Hopkins , infact i can just see the look on Oscars swollen face after he got his breath back still trying to say "What " ?, ROLMFAO

[daz52]

Pretty lame, that's almost a rip off of Kostya Tszyu, the thunder from down under. The yanks must have limited imagination.

Its not a Kostya rip off they call nearly EVERY freakin Aussie fight the thunger from down under in America

[mundinechamp]

Its not a Kostya rip off they call nearly EVERY freakin Aussie fight the thunger from down under in America

It's a bit like they think every Aussie is like Crocodile Dundee, haha.

[teke]

I Bet Old Oscar nearly chocked on his fucking Taco lunch hearing "Old Mandy shitty knickers " demanding the winner of Pavlik v Hopkins , infact i can just see the look on Oscars swollen face after he got his breath back still trying to say "What " ?, ROLMFAO:lol:

[pecks]

Its not a Kostya rip off they call nearly EVERY freakin Aussie fight the thunger from down under in AmericaYeah. Don King has referred to Briggs as 'the thunder from down under". and I've heard it mentioned regarding other Aussie fighters as well.

[JOSEY WALES]

Yeah. Don King has referred to Briggs as 'the thunder from down under". and I've heard it mentioned regarding other Aussie fighters as well. The only Aussie WORTHY of carrying the established title of " The Thunder From Down Under " these days is Micheal Katsidis , Mandy is more like the " Slumber Fron Down under " :patsch .

[Rise Above]

I Bet Old Oscar nearly chocked on his fucking Taco lunch hearing "Old Mandy shitty knickers " demanding the winner of Pavlik v Hopkins , infact i can just see the look on Oscars swollen face after he got his breath back still trying to say "What " ?, ROLMFAO

:rofl:rofl

[theman1971]

Too many haters on here! Just jealous of the man! They should call him "the Man" cause he is the man!!!! BTW he has beaten some very good opponents since he smashed Danny"who is he" Green. Jealous!!!!!


J.S.P!!!!!

[Rise Above]

BTW he has beaten some very good opponents since he smashed Danny"who is he" Green. Jealous!!!!!




:huh

[JOSEY WALES]

Too many haters on here! Just jealous of the man! They should call him "the Man" cause he is the man!!!! BTW he has beaten some very good opponents since he smashed Danny"who is he" Green. Jealous!!!!!


J.S.P!!!!!

:patsch

[ashley]

Too many haters on here! Just jealous of the man! They should call him "the Man" cause he is the man!!!! BTW he has beaten some very good opponents since he smashed Danny"who is he" Green. Jealous!!!!!


J.S.P!!!!!

I like Mundine however can you name 1 guy who Mundine has beaten who in turn has beaten a world top 10 fighter since the Green fight? :huh

Its not quite fair to say Sam Soliman because he is a MW not a SMW.

Mundine has fought top 50 guys instead of top 15 guys and thats is a fact :deal

Lets hope he is next in line for the MW WBA strap after Sturm VS Sylvester.

[THN]

Too many haters on here! Just jealous of the man! They should call him "the Man" cause he is the man!!!! BTW he has beaten some very good opponents since he smashed Danny"who is he" Green. Jealous!!!!!


J.S.P!!!!!

Who ? :huh

[IrnBruMan]

Too many haters on here! Just jealous of the man! They should call him "the Man" cause he is the man!!!! BTW he has beaten some very good opponents since he smashed Danny"who is he" Green. Jealous!!!!!


J.S.P!!!!!


!!!!

!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lol:

[JOSEY WALES]

I like Mundine however can you name 1 guy who Mundine has beaten who in turn has beaten a world top 10 fighter since the Green fight? :huh

Its not quite fair to say Sam Soliman because he is a MW not a SMW.

Mundine has fought top 50 guys instead of top 15 guys and thats is a fact :deal

Lets hope he is next in line for the MW WBA strap after Sturm VS Sylvester. Winning that MW WBA title should his # 1 priority Ash that is the key that will get his foot in the door in America but at this stage of his career i would be just as happy to see him win the Commonwealth middleweight title ,his career has nose dived to such an extent its a case of back to the drawing board , Middleweight titles such as the domestic Aussie title should be his starter for three ,
1, Aussie title
2,Commonwealth title
3, WBA world title
4 unification fights with the likes of AA & KP .

The first three titles are all winnable fights for Mandy but due to the lack of quality he has recently faced he would get his boots smoked by either Pavlik or AA Imo .Mandy's biggest problem will be getting himself back to where he was three months ago Pre Kessler DUCKINGi t could take up to 18 months if he gets a wiggle on but up to 4 years if he goes about things at his usual pace .

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Hey everyone. 1st Post on here.

I know a couple of you claim to be in the loop here. But i can tell you some pretty detailed information.

I kind of disagree Josey, i have read a lot of your posts as a browser/ of this forum. And you do hit the nail on the head a fair bit, but not this time.

Anthony is currently sparring under the eye of Freddie roach and will be up to 2 weeks before his bout with the Uruguayan. Before finalizing training here.

2 Things for next year.

February - March (Sturm - Boxing After Dark - Possibly a double card, but with Mundine as the last bout). In double card, obviously 2 main fights.

August - Just an Espino type of fighter, to continue to build the hype around choc in the US. (Possible International PPV, same as Abraham vs Marquez at the moment).

Its going to be interesting to see how he feels at MW. Obviously the fastest hands in the division. If he can feel comftorable and get the right sparring, like before the Kessler fight, (Paul Briggs - Trading big shots in sparring) then he can do anything. Hes not as far off the top guys as most of you on here think.

Just in short im a big Australian boxing fan. I don't really post on forums much. I plan to over the next few months or so.

[JOSEY WALES]

Hey everyone. 1st Post on here.

I know a couple of you claim to be in the loop here. But i can tell you some pretty detailed information.

I kind of disagree Josey, i have read a lot of your posts as a browser/ of this forum. And you do hit the nail on the head a fair bit, but not this time.

Anthony is currently sparring under the eye of Freddie roach and will be up to 2 weeks before his bout with the Uruguayan. Before finalizing training here.

2 Things for next year.

February - March (Sturm - Boxing After Dark - Possibly a double card, but with Mundine as the last bout). In double card, obviously 2 main fights.

August - Just an Espino type of fighter, to continue to build the hype around choc in the US. (Possible International PPV, same as Abraham vs Marquez at the moment).

Its going to be interesting to see how he feels at MW. Obviously the fastest hands in the division. If he can feel comftorable and get the right sparring, like before the Kessler fight, (Paul Briggs - Trading big shots in sparring) then he can do anything. Hes not as far off the top guys as most of you on here think.

Just in short im a big Australian boxing fan. I don't really post on forums much. I plan to over the next few months or so. Fair go thanks for the props @ last someone who apears close to Mandy , So if you dont mind i have a couple of questions for you
1 , Why did Mundine refuse to fight kessler for the " Proper WBA title "
2 , Has his eye fully recovered from the licking of the contact lense incident ?
3 , Why has he been fighting all these lesser skilled fighters who's resume's are piss poor on PPV ripping off all his fans down under .
4 , Kim ain't known as a savage hitter is Mundines chin that fragile he has had to move down to middle because there he will be less effected by the power shots the bigger lads would have brought ?
Thanks in advance for the replys. :good

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Fair go thanks for the props @ last someone who apears close to Mandy , So if you dont mind i have a couple of questions for you
1 , Why did Mundine refuse to fight kessler for the " Proper WBA title "
2 , Has his eye fully recovered from the licking of the contact lense incident ?
3 , Why has he been fighting all these lesser skilled fighters who's resume's are piss poor on PPV ripping off all his fans down under .
4 , Kim ain't known as a savage hitter is Mundines chin that fragile he has had to move down to middle because there he will be less effected by the power shots the bigger lads would have brought ?
Thanks in advance for the replys. :good

1 : Whats easier to market in the US? 34-4? Or 34-3? Also why fight Kessler? A loss, which was likely to occur, although it was really a 50 50 fight after the 2nd Soliman win. When down the track he can fight Taylor? And have a better chance of beating him. And Taylor, brings US recognition.

On the topic of Jermain Taylor Josey, have you noticed Mundine got rated at #9 by WBC last month. And then weirdly went up to #7 this month? Jermain Taylor will hold the WBC belt by mid next year.

2 : If it hadn't, wouldn't be fighting.

3 : No Comment.

4 : Josey, Chocs chin really isn't an issue. People say his eyes light up when he gets hit, but doesn't everyone? It all goes down to training, sparring. And also goes down to Mundines strategy for the fight. Unless he fights recklessly, hes not going to get stopped at either MW or SMW.

Im sure you could tell how concerned everyone was when Crazy Kim dropped Choc, by Chocs own corner screaming out " You needed that to wake you up".

I can't see his chin being a problem for him. If you want me to say will he go 12 with Pavlik? Definetely.

:good

[BoxingTrashTalk]

I also just wanted to say, im sure he has a lot of critics. And im sure he still has his fans. But by the end of 2010, Choc would have fought in some big fights. Giving it his best shot! I hope you all support him then!

[JOSEY WALES]

1 : Whats easier to market in the US? 34-4? Or 34-3? Also why fight Kessler? A loss, which was likely to occur, although it was really a 50 50 fight after the 2nd Soliman win. When down the track he can fight Taylor? And have a better chance of beating him. And Taylor, brings US recognition.

On the topic of Jermain Taylor Josey, have you noticed Mundine got rated at #9 by WBC last month. And then weirdly went up to #7 this month? Jermain Taylor will hold the WBC belt by mid next year.

2 : If it hadn't, wouldn't be fighting.

3 : No Comment.

4 : Josey, Chocs chin really isn't an issue. People say his eyes light up when he gets hit, but doesn't everyone? It all goes down to training, sparring. And also goes down to Mundines strategy for the fight. Unless he fights recklessly, hes not going to get stopped at either MW or SMW.

Im sure you could tell how concerned everyone was when Crazy Kim dropped Choc, by Chocs own corner screaming out " You needed that to wake you up".

I can't see his chin being a problem for him. If you want me to say will he go 12 with Pavlik? Definetely.

:good 1 ,Great, so he ducked Kessler to fight Jermain two years down the pipe @ 168 lbs ( Taylor up to S/middle these days ) Ok mate its his career but it seems an odd way of going about things , in the event of him losing to kessler the publicity he would have got even if he had got beaten would have far outstripped the stigma an extra loss would have brought Aye ?

2 ,Glad to hear it .

3 , :lol:

4 , Both Pavlik & AA @ Middle bang a lot harder than Sven Ottke ever did @ 168lbs what brings you to this conclusion ? There are S/middles Ie Carl Froch , Lucian Bute etc who can pop a tad harder than the middles also who would have Mandy on Queer St imo

5 , how close are you to Mundine mate ? Family or have you sparred him ?

6 , Are you poster Ajay in disguise ? :?

[ozziebattler]

1 ,Great, so he ducked Kessler to fight Jermain two years down the pipe @ 168 lbs ( Taylor up to S/middle these days ) Ok mate its his career but it seems an odd way of going about things , in the event of him losing to kessler the publicity he would have got even if he had got beaten would have far outstripped the stigma an extra loss would have brought Aye ?

2 ,Glad to hear it .

3 , :lol:

4 , Both Pavlik & AA @ Middle bang a lot harder than Sven Ottke ever did @ 168lbs what brings you to this conclusion ? There are S/middles Ie Carl Froch , Lucian Bute etc who can pop a tad harder than the middles also who would have Mandy on Queer St imo

5 , how close are you to Mundine mate ? Family or have you sparred him ?

6 , Are you poster Ajay in disguise ? :?


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6.Ding Ding Ding yes your right .

[pecks]

I dont really have a　ｐroblem with Mundine ducking Kessler. He had little to gain from it as opposed to when he supposingly wanted to fight him when Kessler was WBA/WBC champ. If it wasnt for the way he conducts himself to the papers, ect, many others wouldnt care about it either.
Lets face it, hes not the first guy to run from Kessler.

Having said that, at 33 or however old he is now, he really should be having worthwhile fights. Uruguayans dont belong in high calibre boxing.

Rock on fellow posters! :happy :happy :happy

[Hmmm]

Um guys before you cream yourselves, its probably gav under a different name. Its no coincidence that this poster appears only days after gav promises to stop posting. The "inside info" he's been preaching aint anything new/great/wank-worthy and doesnt present any evidence that he's close to choc (although gav has been know to suck chocs balls so who knows).

[JOSEY WALES]

Um guys before you cream yourselves, its probably gav under a different name. Its no coincidence that this poster appears only days after gav promises to stop posting. The "inside info" he's been preaching aint anything new/great/wank-worthy and doesnt present any evidence that he's close to choc (although gav has been know to suck chocs balls so who knows). :deal Well i did ask the question mate ,

[ashley]

After the Sturm VS Sylvester fight in a few weeks wont Mundine become the next in line 4 the title?

Anybody know how much time the WBA give until the mandatory comes up?

[BoxingTrashTalk]

1 ,Great, so he ducked Kessler to fight Jermain two years down the pipe @ 168 lbs ( Taylor up to S/middle these days ) Ok mate its his career but it seems an odd way of going about things , in the event of him losing to kessler the publicity he would have got even if he had got beaten would have far outstripped the stigma an extra loss would have brought Aye ?

2 ,Glad to hear it .

3 , :lol:

4 , Both Pavlik & AA @ Middle bang a lot harder than Sven Ottke ever did @ 168lbs what brings you to this conclusion ? There are S/middles Ie Carl Froch , Lucian Bute etc who can pop a tad harder than the middles also who would have Mandy on Queer St imo

5 , how close are you to Mundine mate ? Family or have you sparred him ?

6 , Are you poster Ajay in disguise ? :?

Actually, after the Danny Green win, Kessler didn't show as much interest in the fight. It was smart to let him try to unify, and then give him a run. He lost. So it never happened.

If you think Froch has the skills to land and beat Mundine, i think your in for a bit of a shock. Hes rather a limited fighter.

Whos Ajay? (Actually, hes that guy who gave those horse tips), no im not him. I hate horses.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

I dont really have a　ｐroblem with Mundine ducking Kessler. He had little to gain from it as opposed to when he supposingly wanted to fight him when Kessler was WBA/WBC champ. If it wasnt for the way he conducts himself to the papers, ect, many others wouldnt care about it either.
Lets face it, hes not the first guy to run from Kessler.

Having said that, at 33 or however old he is now, he really should be having worthwhile fights. Uruguayans dont belong in high calibre boxing.

Rock on fellow posters! :happy :happy :happy

WBA MW Title. (End goal), why fight John Duddy? Or some other middleweight contender, when you can fight a 50 rated fighter and still be the next mandatory for Sturm?

[BoxingTrashTalk]

After the Sturm VS Sylvester fight in a few weeks wont Mundine become the next in line 4 the title?

Anybody know how much time the WBA give until the mandatory comes up?

At the latest - mid next year. Probably March.

[Rise Above]

I'll beleive it when I see it.

[WhataRock]

According the to WBA's website BTT, Sturms last mandatory was this time in 07. Sylvester is the next one, therefore theoretically he shouldnt have to fight Mundine till this time next year.

I really doubt they would risk Choc as an voluntary and Sturm turned down 1.5 million Euro to fight Abraham, so I dont think their finiancial pull is that weak.

Would Khoder and Choc fork out the several million it would probably take to get Sturm down here? Would any promoter in the states do the same?
Would he take a massive pay cut to fight Sturm in Germany? Which I thought might be the most likely scenario, so I dont know if Team Sturm would even put an offer out there if they knew anything about the ability of Mundine.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

According the to WBA's website BTT, Sturms last mandatory was this time in 07. Sylvester is the next one, therefore theoretically he shouldnt have to fight Mundine till this time next year.

I really doubt they would risk Choc as an voluntary and Sturm turned down 1.5 million Euro to fight Abraham, so I dont think their finiancial pull is that weak.

Would Khoder and Choc fork out the several million it would probably take to get Sturm down here? Would any promoter in the states do the same?
Would he take a massive pay cut to fight Sturm in Germany? Which I thought might be the most likely scenario, so I dont know if Team Sturm would even put an offer out there if they knew anything about the ability of Mundine.

Thats where De La Hoya comes in. Sturms team believe this is a 50-50 fight. No doubt about that.

But i think the pull of being on a HBO card should do it for Sturm. Possibly having Pavlik on the same card vs Abraham could be a go.

Obviously nothing is advanced, for something this far down the track.

But if the two meet, i do think Choc is walking away with the title even in Germany.

[WhataRock]

If Choc can make 160 with little impact on his health and strength this fight is a foregone conclusion. Sturm is about as average and run of the mill as you get for a titlist.

De la Hoya would help immensely but I think he has plenty of other cash cows that he would rather pour resources into. Im sceptical at the moment.

[teke]

If Choc can make 160 with little impact on his health and strength this fight is a foregone conclusion. Sturm is about as average and run of the mill as you get for a titlist.

De la Hoya would help immensely but I think he has plenty of other cash cows that he would rather pour resources into. Im sceptical at the moment.I agree.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

If Choc can make 160 with little impact on his health and strength this fight is a foregone conclusion. Sturm is about as average and run of the mill as you get for a titlist.

De la Hoya would help immensely but I think he has plenty of other cash cows that he would rather pour resources into. Im sceptical at the moment.

With Hopkins about to retire. And Calzaghe retiring. And Kessler having maybe 3 fights left. And Pavlik having 4 fights left (Both Pavlik and Kessler have mentioned early retirements), there are not any truely great fighters across MW or SMW, or really anyone who can reign for a long period of time.

I think its a matter of time until Pavlik gets his first loss.

We have a fairly even playing field.

And Choc hasn't taken any real punishment throughout his career, he could outlast the lot.

Either way, if he does well (which he can), if he performs well, its a win for Golden Boy. If they build him up, and he gets knocked out, which could happen, another win for Golden Boy!

Either way Golden Boy Promotions Win.

[Kegsy]

With Hopkins about to retire. And Calzaghe retiring. And Kessler having maybe 3 fights left. And Pavlik having 4 fights left (Both Pavlik and Kessler have mentioned early retirements), there are not any truely great fighters across MW or SMW, or really anyone who can reign for a long period of time.

I think its a matter of time until Pavlik gets his first loss.

We have a fairly even playing field.

And Choc hasn't taken any real punishment throughout his career, he could outlast the lot.

Either way, if he does well (which he can), if he performs well, its a win for Golden Boy. If they build him up, and he gets knocked out, which could happen, another win for Golden Boy!

Either way Golden Boy Promotions Win.
I will reserve my judgment until i see it.
Alot of IF's, actually far too many.:yep

[ashley]

This is what I am "guessing" will unfold...... knowing the way the WBA operates....if Sturm wins they may give him super champ status and hold a regular world title between Mundine and Griffin in the USA....... promoted by ODH.....anybody see that coming off?

[WhataRock]

This is what I am "guessing" will unfold...... knowing the way the WBA operates....if Sturm wins they may give him super champ status and hold a regular world title between Mundine and Griffin in the USA....... promoted by ODH.....anybody see that coming off?

He needs to have another major title to become one im pretty sure.

AA and Kelly currently own the others.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

This is what I am "guessing" will unfold...... knowing the way the WBA operates....if Sturm wins they may give him super champ status and hold a regular world title between Mundine and Griffin in the USA....... promoted by ODH.....anybody see that coming off?

You have a good imagination.

I really can't see that coming off. Even if it did, it wouldn't be that bad.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

He needs to have another major title to become one im pretty sure.

AA and Kelly currently own the others.

He really doesn't need AA. A fight with Arthur is not a great objective. Arthur will have his last fight at 160 on November 8th. And i do think he will struggle to win a title at 168, unless Inkin fights him, or he gets a shot at the WBC before Taylor, which won't happen.

Mundine could well hold the WBA and IBF titles this time next year, if hes under Golden Boy.

From all reports, hes training well, feeling good walking around as a MW, and hungry for success.

[Marcus]

He really doesn't need AA. A fight with Arthur is not a great objective. Arthur will have his last fight at 160 on November 8th. And i do think he will struggle to win a title at 168, unless Inkin fights him, or he gets a shot at the WBC before Taylor, which won't happen.

Mundine could well hold the WBA and IBF titles this time next year, if hes under Golden Boy.

From all reports, hes training well, feeling good walking around as a MW, and hungry for success.


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

wow, the king of huggers has spoken!!!

[WhataRock]

One step at a time BTT...

Lets see Choc ACTUALLY fight at 160 first. I mean really if it was that easy he would have fought there by now.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

wow, the king of huggers has spoken!!!

Why am i classified as a hugger? I have seen Choc train. I have seen his confidence.

And i have seen how Golden Boy, wants its fighters to fight the best.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

One step at a time BTT...

Lets see Choc ACTUALLY fight at 160 first. I mean really if it was that easy he would have fought there by now.

Sure thing, i was presuming he felt good at the weight.

[Marcus]

Why am i classified as a hugger? I have seen Choc train. I have seen his confidence.

And i have seen how Golden Boy, wants its fighters to fight the best.

Because you are stating such things that when you look at his career so far, its almost laughable.

:good

ps, if your Gav, well done on your work with people less fortunate.

[ashley]

He needs to have another major title to become one im pretty sure.

AA and Kelly currently own the others.

Yep I think you are right......Joe super champ has another belt as does Nate Campbell.

[ashley]

You have a good imagination.

I really can't see that coming off. Even if it did, it wouldn't be that bad.

Thanks....I think :huh

Griffen VS Mundine would be a great undercard fight in the USA and would give Mundine a good leg up to better profile fights.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Because you are stating such things that when you look at his career so far, its almost laughable.

:good

ps, if your Gav, well done on your work with people less fortunate.

Not really. Anyone can see his improvements, throughout his career, rapid. Which have happened because he had no amateur career.

If he fights at Middle Sturm will be his toughest test, and i think it won't go 6. To big, to strong, to fast. Keep in mind Anthony will probably come into the ring at 170.

And then where looking at a vacant IBF title. With the opponent likely to be not in the quality of Sturm.

Anyway, we can talk about this all day.

Lets just wait and see what the Oscar has planned.

;)

[Kegsy]

Not really. Anyone can see his improvements, throughout his career, rapid. Which have happened because he had no amateur career.

If he fights at Middle Sturm will be his toughest test, and i think it won't go 6. To big, to strong, to fast. Keep in mind Anthony will probably come into the ring at 170.

And then where looking at a vacant IBF title. With the opponent likely to be not in the quality of Sturm.

Anyway, we can talk about this all day.

Lets just wait and see what the Oscar has planned.

;)
We all certainly will wait & see.
Just with no where near as much confidence as you.

[ashley]

Imagin.......Mundine WBA super champ with an IBF belt........:think

[JOSEY WALES]

Actually, after the Danny Green win, Kessler didn't show as much interest in the fight. It was smart to let him try to unify, and then give him a run. He lost. So it never happened.

If you think Froch has the skills to land and beat Mundine, i think your in for a bit of a shock. Hes rather a limited fighter.

Whos Ajay? (Actually, hes that guy who gave those horse tips), no im not him. I hate horses. It would have been a smart move IF Kessler would have beaten Joe Calzaghe but as you said he lost but Mundine could have defended the fake "regular title " that was bestowed on him v kessler and become the Proper champ when Joe called it a day but he refused ,

Re Carl Froch , yes i do rate Carl Froch and hopefully early December we will see him capture the WBC (proper title ) v Jean Pascal , i say hopefully as Jean is a quality fighter with skills , one things for sure is that if kim can connect on Choc's jaw then so Would Froch the difference being is that if Froch caught him Mandy would be wakeing up thinking he was back in Germany ,

Re Are you Ajay , You seem to know all about Mundine how close are you to his camp , Just a fan or really " In the Know " ?

[BoxingTrashTalk]

It would have been a smart move IF Kessler would have beaten Joe Calzaghe but as you said he lost but Mundine could have defended the fake "regular title " that was bestowed on him v kessler and become the Proper champ when Joe called it a day but he refused ,

Re Carl Froch , yes i do rate Carl Froch and hopefully early December we will see him capture the WBC (proper title ) v Jean Pascal , i say hopefully as Jean is a quality fighter with skills , one things for sure is that if kim can connect on Choc's jaw then so Would Froch the difference being is that if Froch caught him Mandy would be wakeing up thinking he was back in Germany ,

Re Are you Ajay , You seem to know all about Mundine how close are you to his camp , Just a fan or really " In the Know " ?

I can't see how the WBC allow two fighters barely ranked in the top 10 to fight for a vacant title. Froch is #9, and Pascal is #12 on my list.

I like Dan Rafaels list with Froch is #9. And Josey, Pascal is not highly talented he throws punches with his head down.

Froch will UD Pascal. And then Taylor will win a very wide decision, probably by around 8 rounds.

With the last question. No comment. P.S Saying your in someones camp could get you thrown out. So it would be silly.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

When i get 50 posts ill drop you a PM.

[JOSEY WALES]

I can't see how the WBC allow two fighters barely ranked in the top 10 to fight for a vacant title. Froch is #9, and Pascal is #12 on my list.

I like Dan Rafaels list with Froch is #9. And Josey, Pascal is not highly talented he throws punches with his head down.

Froch will UD Pascal. And then Taylor will win a very wide decision, probably by around 8 rounds.

With the last question. No comment. P.S Saying your in someones camp could get you thrown out. So it would be silly. yes you right Re Froch and Pascal fighting for the Vacant WBC title but im sure neither will be looking a gift horse in the mouth .

Thats not how Pascal fight at all , Pascal if anything fights badly when he try's to emulate Roy Jones Junior and Roy certainly never fought head down arse up , and no Jermain won't fight Froch as he has already ducked him once in order to fight the ruined Jeff Lacy , BTW why are you banking on Hopkin's Calzaghe , Kessler & young Pavlik retiring before Mundine achives anything ? they are all (with exception Pavlik ) L/Heavies or S/Midles , is Mundine laying low with wee men until all the talent at his proper weight has retired or died with old age ? What about Lucian Bute , Andrade etc they will still be there and they are a good bet to beat Mundine , Mundine ha been wasting his time like Joe Calzgahe did for years but the only difference is Joe was ducked a bit and was defending a legit title , Mundine has been pissing about down under defending a belt that is imo lesser than the commonwealth bullshitting to everyone that he is the man and everyone is ducking him . lol Yea get 50 posts and drop me a line . :good

[Bentchassis]

yes you right Re Froch and Pascal fighting for the Vacant WBC title but im sure neither will be looking a gift horse in the mouth .

Thats not how Pascal fight at all , Pascal if anything fights badly when he try's to emulate Roy Jones Junior and Roy certainly never fought head down arse up , and no Jermain won't fight Froch as he has already ducked him once in order to fight the ruined Jeff Lacy , BTW why are you banking on Hopkin's Calzaghe , Kessler & young Pavlik retiring before Mundine achives anything ? they are all (with exception Pavlik ) L/Heavies or S/Midles , is Mundine laying low with wee men until all the talent at his proper weight has retired or died with old age ? What about Lucian Bute , Andrade etc they will still be there and they are a good bet to beat Mundine , Mundine ha been wasting his time like Joe Calzgahe did for years but the only difference is Joe was ducked a bit and was defending a legit title , Mundine has been pissing about down under defending a belt that is imo lesser than the commonwealth bullshitting to everyone that he is the man and everyone is ducking him . lol Yea get 50 emails and drop me a line . :good

Agree with everything you say cept that. :hi:

[JOSEY WALES]

Agree with everything you say cept that. :hi: Chass , You don't think Lucian Bute @ S/Middle would beat Mundine ? Andrade will have learned a lot from the Kessler defeat also and its no dead cert Bute will beat him either imo , these guys are fighting constantly at their proper weight Mundine's "Shape shifting " and lack of quality opponents is going to come back and bite him in the arse i reckon , just a matter oftime @ the higher weight , he probably will get away with it v the likes of Strum but the margin for error @ S/Middle is slimmer .

[Bentchassis]

Chass , You don't think Lucian Bute @ S/Middle would beat Mundine ? Andrade will have learned a lot from the Kessler defeat also and its no dead cert Bute will beat him either imo , these guys are fighting constantly at their proper weight Mundine's "Shape shifting " and lack of quality opponents is going to come back and bite him in the arse i reckon , just a matter oftime @ the higher weight , he probably will get away with it v the likes of Strum but the margin for error @ S/Middle is slimmer .
No chance, Andrade I love but he gets severely beaten to the punch all night for a wiiiide dec and don't start on me about Bute, he's dogs bollocks mate, way overated.

[JOSEY WALES]

No chance, Andrade I love but he gets severely beaten to the punch all night for a wiiiide dec and don't start on me about Bute, he's dogs bollocks mate, way overated. Good points ( both ) but that said do you think Mundines recent level of opponents is of decent quality ? i certainly don't , sometimes fighters like Calzaghe etc fights to the level of their opponents and seeing Mundine dropped on his arse by the likes of kim suggests to me he is another of them mate .

[Marcus]

Not really. Anyone can see his improvements, throughout his career, rapid. Which have happened because he had no amateur career.

If he fights at Middle Sturm will be his toughest test, and i think it won't go 6. To big, to strong, to fast. Keep in mind Anthony will probably come into the ring at 170.

And then where looking at a vacant IBF title. With the opponent likely to be not in the quality of Sturm.

Anyway, we can talk about this all day.

Lets just wait and see what the Oscar has planned.

;)

u post like i use too, with posts that dont add up.

if your a boxing fan, u should have the ability to see fighters with a open mind.

choc has improved from the start, no doubt. but id say he hasnt improved much in the last years or so.

you sayin it would be chocs hardest fights against sterm then sayin its over within six is weird to me. and i think choc wouldnt weigh less then sturm at fight time.

anyway, im a Sturm hugger, and he has too much skill and experiance for choc, and he dont wanna flex his little arms next to him, sturm is a beast and will be too strong for choc.

[Bentchassis]

Good points ( both ) but that said do you think Mundines recent level of opponents is of decent quality ? i certainly don't , sometimes fighters like Calzaghe etc fights to the level of their opponents and seeing Mundine dropped on his arse by the likes of kim suggests to me he is another of them mate .

No mate, but he fights them regularily at least.
Fighting a stiff or not, Mundine looked as slick as I've seen him last up. The flaws I see in Mundine give the likes of Kessler, Joe and at middle Pavlik a field day. But his natural speed, evasivessness and counterpunching style is dangerous for any plodder type elite or not. He needs to watch himself but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he'd show more defensive intensity against the big punching Andrade and Bute than ol Craazy.

[JOSEY WALES]

No mate, but he fights them regularily at least.
Fighting a stiff or not, Mundine looked as slick as I've seen him last up. The flaws I see in Mundine give the likes of Kessler, Joe and at middle Pavlik a field day. But his natural speed, evasivessness and counterpunching style is dangerous for any plodder type elite or not. He needs to watch himself but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he'd show more defensive intensity against the big punching Andrade and Bute than ol Craazy. I laughed out loud when i saw him dropped on his arse by kim , i knew and his corner knew then he had been taking the piss , i think Mundine did get a wake up call in that fight if he had been turned off at the mains it would surley have been all over red rover for his career mate with no way back , the win at least kept his momentum going , he needs to either start shitting or get off the pot now , enough is enough :deal . a decent level of opponent after he fights the only S/Middle in Uraguay or fuck him i will lose total interest ( big loss i know ) :yep its been a sad ride thus far seeing if he could make a decent World Champion , i started out wanting him to capture a decent World title , now i just will be content in seeing him fight a decent opponent again .

[Bentchassis]

I laughed out loud when i saw him dropped on his arse by kim , i knew and his corner knew then he had been taking the piss , i think Mundine did get a wake up call in that fight if he had been turned off at the mains it would surley have been all over red rover for his career mate with no way back , the win at least kept his momentum going , he needs to either start shitting or get off the pot now , enough is enough :deal . a decent level of opponent after he fights the only S/Middle in Uraguay or fuck him i will lose total interest ( big loss i know ) :yep its been a sad ride thus far seeing if he could make a decent World Champion , i started out wanting him to capture a decent World title , now i just will be content in seeing him fight a decent opponent again .


I actually thought you were joking about that till I looked it up:lol: (middleweight but)

Can't disagree with any of that:good

[BoxingTrashTalk]

u post like i use too, with posts that dont add up.

if your a boxing fan, u should have the ability to see fighters with a open mind.

choc has improved from the start, no doubt. but id say he hasnt improved much in the last years or so.

you sayin it would be chocs hardest fights against sterm then sayin its over within six is weird to me. and i think choc wouldnt weigh less then sturm at fight time.

anyway, im a Sturm hugger, and he has too much skill and experiance for choc, and he dont wanna flex his little arms next to him, sturm is a beast and will be too strong for choc.

I said in terms of the WBA and IBF titles. Sturm will be the much harder opponent, compared to what it will take to win the vacant IBF. Unless Pavlik eats it up.

Sturm has a lot of skill and technical ability. I just can't see him winning though. Hes at 160, Choc comes in at 170. Choc has speed and power advantage.

[teke]

u post like i use too, with posts that dont add up.

if your a boxing fan, u should have the ability to see fighters with a open mind.

choc has improved from the start, no doubt. but id say he hasnt improved much in the last years or so.

you sayin it would be chocs hardest fights against sterm then sayin its over within six is weird to me. and i think choc wouldnt weigh less then sturm at fight time.

anyway, im a Sturm hugger, and he has too much skill and experiance for choc, and he dont wanna flex his little arms next to him, sturm is a beast and will be too strong for choc.I just have to get this off my chest.

Sturm is shit, poor mans winky wright with that cover up shell type defence.

Mundine would NOT find it harder to fight Sturm than he would Sam Soliman and im being serious.

Waiting for return fire with anticipation :D

[pecks]

I just have to get this off my chest.

Sturm is shit, poor mans winky wright with that cover up shell type defence.

Mundine would NOT find it harder to fight Sturm than he would Sam Soliman and im being serious.

Waiting for return fire with anticipation :DYou finally logged off beasttube hey? Hope you enjoyed your sess. :good

[teke]

You finally logged off beasttube hey? Hope you enjoyed your sess. :goodplease dont tell me there is a beasttube :lol:

[pecks]

please dont tell me there is a beasttube :lol:You know there is. :yep

It's 2am Oz time teke, lock your door, plug ya headphones in, and pull out the old vasso. :good

[Hmmm]

I just have to get this off my chest.

Sturm is shit, poor mans winky wright with that cover up shell type defence.

Mundine would NOT find it harder to fight Sturm than he would Sam Soliman and im being serious.

Waiting for return fire with anticipation :D

So do you feel enlightened now with that off your chest??? :blurp