View Full Version : Ashley Theophane v Zab Judah?
Broxi
10-15-2008, 07:16 AM
What's the deal with this guy Ashley Theophane?
I admit I don't know too much of him other than beating a completely shot Chop Chop Corley.
He's certainly fought a whole lot of dross in his time, does he stand any chance against Judah?
Judah has had his losses but only against top level guys.
robpalmer135
10-15-2008, 08:00 AM
and he was always better at 140
brown bomber
10-15-2008, 08:01 AM
I'm not too hopeful of Theophanes chances but I felt that way about the Corley fight too. He's a good fighter and he's improving... Every credit he's taken the risk and could reap the rewards of putting himself out there.
The Lads
10-15-2008, 08:04 AM
Judah Ko early imo. I think judah will do really well back at 140
Won't be pretty. Judah ain't cut out for fighting elite fighters, abut at this level he's lethal.
Beeston Brawler
10-15-2008, 08:45 AM
Good to see a British fighter taking risks for a change - I think Zab has too much in each department. Though if it goes beyond the dreaded six round mark Zab may implode....
He was a lot better at 140 than 147, and is far less shot than Corley.
Zab TKO3 IMO.
BigEars
10-15-2008, 11:11 AM
A man who has lost to Judex Meemea, Oscar Milkitas and has a draw with Daniel Thorpe against a guy who has beaten Cory Spinks, Junior Witter, Micky Ward, Reggie Green, Jan Piet Bergman etc. Seems like a huge mismatch and in truth it probably is.
Theophane is a real improver and has come on leaps and bounds since the results mentioned above. On the British scene he stopped Alan Bosworth in a British title eliminater. He has also beaten(the admittedly very shot) Demarcus Corley clearly in what was a huge win for the Brit. Apparently the Oubaali fight was quite close aswell and Theophane was unlucky to lose it.
It the mean time Judah has slipped from an elite fighter, the Welterweight champion of the World. To the gatekeeper all top Welterweights must beat.
He had a shock loss to Carlos Baldomir followed up by a loss to the man considered the best in the sport in Floyd Mayweather jnr.
Then he had an NC in a fight that should of been considered a tko win against journeyman Ruben Galvan. That was followed by a stoppage loss to Miguel Angel Cotto. Two wide points victories over journeymen and then Judah lost his 4th big fight in a row, when Joshua Clottey beat him by technical decision.
It seems Judah has really slipped down the ladder. So he's attempting a bold move to envigorate his career. A move back down to Light-Welteterweight where he had the best days of his career(bar the Spinks win), a weightclass he probably should of been in all along and probably would of been if not for Tszyu.
Judah is now thought of as a mentally weak fighter, one who will become passive if you can hurt him or if he starts well he just won't sustain it. It is indeed the truth that Theophane needs to last through the first 5/6 rounds to have any chance. However I reckon it's more likely Judah(still not quite looking like the Judah of old) will have enough to put Theophane away within 6.
The key thing to remember with Judah is that although he lost to Baldomir, Mayweather, Cotto and Clottey he was competitive with all of them and gave them all tough fights. That was at Welterweight too. Back down at Light-Welterweight Judah(if he makes the weight okay) becomes elite again. Just not quite the same man that knocked out Terron Millet.
brown bomber
10-15-2008, 11:44 AM
He have Mayweather the toughest two or three rounds of his career. I really rate Zab he's a gr8ish fighter.
BigEars
10-15-2008, 03:11 PM
He have Mayweather the toughest two or three rounds of his career. I really rate Zab he's a gr8ish fighter.
He did win a good few of the early rounds against Mayweather but I would argue that either Castillo or Jesus Chavez gave him the toughest two or three rounds. Chavez gave him a really good fight and was landing some sickening body shots on Mayweather.
I would say even at this stage in Judahs career it is a bit of a mis match.
Having said that you cant blame Ashley for taking the fight. Its a chance of a life time and i dont count anybody ouy anymore. The last time i did was Richard Evatt v Junior Jones, and we all saw Evatt come so close to the upset.
But as TFFP said at this level Judah is able to be the bully and i think he will or should end matters inside 5 rounds.
Judah should have way to much for Ashley. Saying that, though, it's refreshing to see a British guy not afraid to take some lumps and actively pursue the best guys out there. Ashley will learn things a lot quicker than some of these prospects being mollycoddled along to 30-0 with no tests.
Broxi
10-16-2008, 05:43 AM
I would say even at this stage in Judahs career it is a bit of a mis match.
Having said that you cant blame Ashley for taking the fight. Its a chance of a life time and i dont count anybody ouy anymore. The last time i did was Richard Evatt v Junior Jones, and we all saw Evatt come so close to the upset.
But as TFFP said at this level Judah is able to be the bully and i think he will or should end matters inside 5 rounds.
I think this is a huge jump in class for Theophane from even Corley. Nothings impossible but you look at some of the guys Ashley has fought let alone been beat by as late as 2007.
Rocky Muscas (1-30-0)
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Karl Taylor (16-115-6)
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Brian Coleman (24-141-7)
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Arv Mittoo (10-85-5)
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Keith Jones (9-91-7)
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Jeez, I've never seen such a ragtag of boxers, there's more than that lot too.
The Lads
10-16-2008, 06:02 AM
He have Mayweather the toughest two or three rounds of his career. I really rate Zab he's a gr8ish fighter.
it was nip and tuck with cotto till around the sixth too
Beeston Brawler
10-16-2008, 06:11 AM
I think once a guy gets past his tenth fight, he shouldn't be allowed to face guys with losing records :deal
To be honest, once a guy has three times as many losses as wins, he should only be facing debutants.
Aakash Bhatia is facing fucking Delroy Spencer next - what is the point of that??
john b
10-16-2008, 06:42 AM
The 140 division looks like its filiing up again with talents such as judah JMM, Pac, hatton, malllinaggi and so forth.
brown bomber
10-16-2008, 07:09 AM
I think this is a huge jump in class for Theophane from even Corley. Nothings impossible but you look at some of the guys Ashley has fought let alone been beat by as late as 2007.
Rocky Muscas (1-30-0)
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Karl Taylor (16-115-6)
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Brian Coleman (24-141-7)
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Arv Mittoo (10-85-5)
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Keith Jones (9-91-7)
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Jeez, I've never seen such a ragtag of boxers, there's more than that lot too. Keith Jones is a capable fighter, Karl Taylor once beat Dingaan Thobela.... Don't dis journeyman some of them can fight.
Beeston Brawler
10-16-2008, 07:10 AM
I think whilever they are competitive - there isn't a problem, but a guy like Muscas shouldn't be taken seriously, you may as well fight Charlie Zelenoff or Eric Crumble.
SouthpawSlayer
10-16-2008, 07:34 AM
when is this fight
The Lads
10-16-2008, 07:43 AM
calzaghe undercard, i think
ApatheticLeader
10-16-2008, 11:49 AM
I think once a guy gets past his tenth fight, he shouldn't be allowed to face guys with losing records :deal
To be honest, once a guy has three times as many losses as wins, he should only be facing debutants.
Aakash Bhatia is facing fucking Delroy Spencer next - what is the point of that??
Well.....I like your second idea, but not sure about the first. There are really good fighters out there with losing records.
Olu G. Rotimi
10-19-2008, 08:57 AM
I like Ashley Theophane. He is a great kid. What I like about him him is that he packed his bags went to the states to learn his craft against quality guys. I have seen him fight live and in gym sessions with Ajose Olusegun and others. I will say this much he is a much improved fighter. A technical boxer. Don't be shocked if he can do somerthing with the talented Judah who in my opinion has seen better days.
this is off now apparently. judah has "ducked" theopane!
Olu G. Rotimi
10-19-2008, 01:50 PM
this is off now apparently. judah has "ducked" theopane!
What are you on about. Nobody is saying Judah has ducked Theophane. We are discussing a match up. Not many people have seen Theophane fight and those of us who have know that he is a vastly improved fighter that is the point being made.
What are you on about. Nobody is saying Judah has ducked Theophane. We are discussing a match up. Not many people have seen Theophane fight and those of us who have know that he is a vastly improved fighter that is the point being made.
what am i on about?
this thread was created because judah vs theopane was close to being made. judah has since pulled out of the matchup. theopane believes judah is ducking him. that is what i'm on about :thumbsup
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Olu G. Rotimi
10-21-2008, 07:43 AM
what am i on about?
this thread was created because judah vs theopane was close to being made. judah has since pulled out of the matchup. theopane believes judah is ducking him. that is what i'm on about :thumbsup
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Apologies I thought you were making out that I though Judah was ducking Ashley.
dwilson
10-21-2008, 07:47 AM
Jeez shame for Ashley.
Maybe Theo vs Ajose live in America. Big bit of exposure for him there.
Pointless matchup anyway. Judah would destroy this kid.
Olu G. Rotimi
10-21-2008, 11:11 AM
Jeez shame for Ashley.
Maybe Theo vs Ajose live in America. Big bit of exposure for him there.
No way. They are friends who have spared together a lot. They could meet later for a much bigger payday if Ashley gets to the top.
dwilson
10-21-2008, 11:18 AM
No way. They are friends who have spared together a lot. They could meet later for a much bigger payday if Ashley gets to the top.
And Ajose gets to the top. It is a shame that it is not Ajose stateside getting the named fights on his ledger instead of Ashley.
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