Is Sultan ducking Wladimir?

[RUSKULL]

I say yes.

I'd love to see his excuse for not fighting Wladimir for a 2nd unification option...................He & Ruslan had a combined great excuse since they were unifying against each other.

[Dekkers]

:rofl

[RUSKULL]

:rofl

C'mon, you know I'm right.

Read the options & vote dammit!

[RUSKULL]

Well at least 2 of us aren't clueless.:yep

[MrMagic]

How the fuck can he avoid Wladimir when he has his hands full with either unification or a fight with Holyfield this soon?
About a year or two without a Wladimir fight (IF HE'S SUCCESSFUL) then you can speak, but as of now nonono..

[Dekkers]

If the winner of the unification bout fights two stiffs and there's no Wlad on the horizon, than I'd say they're ducking Wlad, until that time, I'd have to say no.

[RUSKULL]

How the fuck can he avoid Wladimir when he has his hands full with either unification or a fight with Holyfield this soon?
About a year or two without a Wladimir fight (IF HE'S SUCCESSFUL) then you can speak, but as of now nonono..

Pay attention to the game Mr. Magic:

Sultan was doing a great thing trying to unify against Ruslan and that's to Chagaev's credit as well. Since Ruslan is injured or some shit and unable to make the fight why doesn't Sultan call out Wladimir a save unification? I think he's YELLOW!

[Wilhelm]

If he's smart he is. Sultan sucks.

[Napoleon]

I say Floyd is ducking Wladimir! :bart

[RUSKULL]

If the winner of the unification bout fights two stiffs and there's no Wlad on the horizon, than I'd say they're ducking Wlad, until that time, I'd have to say no.

But Wlad HAS NO FIGHT SCHEDULED, IS A BELTHOLDER, AND LARGELY CONCIDERED THE MAN TO BEAT at the moment.

Am I the only one who sees the obvious here?

[EpsilonAxis]

Everyone with a head is ducking Wladimir.

[RUSKULL]

I can't believe no one else questions why Ibragimov signed to fight Holyfield so fast after hearing that Chagaev pulled out, but Wlad had no fight scheduled yet.


FUCK! We are being bamboozled here!

[RUSKULL]

If he's smart he is. Sultan sucks.

True, but that wasn't the point.

[El Bombasto]

not necessarily ducking, but probably not ready to lose his title either

[RUSKULL]

I want to see what spin Novirasputin puts on this to make it sound as though Sultan is doing the right thing. He's a big fan of Sultan so he's probably hiding his head in the sand right now......................

[RUSKULL]

not necessarily ducking, but probably not ready to lose his title either

Again, good point but unification is possible since neither Wladimir or Sultan have a madatory or Don King in the way.

[RUSKULL]

I also can't believe 3 idiots here don't know what I'm talking about. :patsch

[RUSKULL]

Make that 4 idiots :-(

I'm disgusted, I'm going to have a couple of beers to drown my sorrows and I'll be back.

[The Italarican]

Considering the talk in this fight was originally about unification, that Wladimir has a wide-open schedule, that Sultan has already been getting ready for a tough fight in Chagaev, and that the fight would still be in Sultan's backyard, if Wladimir wasn't given the first call, it's because Sultan of his people didn't want Wladimir to say yes.

[Dekkers]

I can't believe no one else questions why Ibragimov signed to fight Holyfield so fast after hearing that Chagaev pulled out, but Wlad had no fight scheduled yet.


FUCK! We are being bamboozled here!
I had no idea the fight was off, that said Holyfield was the fight Goldenboy originally wanted so it makes sense they'd fall back on that. He just won the belt so I think Sultan deserves a tune up before unifying whether it be against Chagaev or Wlad. Wlad should fight Valuev in the meantime, worthier opponent than his last two, actually three now that i think about it.

[Heavyrighthand]

But Wlad HAS NO FIGHT SCHEDULED, IS A BELTHOLDER, AND LARGELY CONCIDERED THE MAN TO BEAT at the moment.

Am I the only one who sees the obvious here?

We see it, but some won't admit it

You never know what really happened, but it sounds rather rediculous for Sultan to claim to want Wladimir after Chagaev, now that he needs a fight, and after the unification fight was touted as being such a needed thing (which it was/is), then for Sultan to seem to forget that, and take a Holy immediately.

That's some funny s**t, right there. But I'm too disgusted to laugh. :-(

[Heavyrighthand]

Considering the talk in this fight was originally about unification, that Wladimir has a wide-open schedule, that Sultan has already been getting ready for a tough fight in Chagaev, and that the fight would still be in Sultan's backyard, if Wladimir wasn't given the first call, it's because Sultan of his people didn't want Wladimir to say yes.

Welll put. That's it in a nutshell.

But then again, maybe someone paid to get Holy in there, thinking it'll be a monster seller, and that Ibrag will have a sure win, and a big payday, as well.

Never know, but I think its rediculous to pass over Wladimir, who is free to fight, after Sultan was saying he wanted Wladimir after Chagaev.

[skier47]

Sultan is avoiding the unification fight with Wlad because he knows
he will get beat and thoroughly outboxed. He made a good business
decision however. He can dominate a nameworthy, ex-champion, boxing
legend Evander Holyfield and make huge amounts of money. He retains
his title and then fights Chageav and rolls the dice. I see this as a close
fight that could go either way as I'm sure does Sultan. If victorious he
can then finally man-up and be slaughtered by Wlad for again huge money.
Smart boy that Sultan.

[H .]

Sultan's ducking Wlad, and it's sad. Now we're seeing Sultan vs Holy instead of Sultan vs Wlad. That's too bad. :-(

[samita]

you're delusional.

[H .]

you're delusional.

check the poll :hey

[dragosuhail]

ruskull i say YES as well...

the only alternative reason is this: sultan knows he will lose his belt ultimately so he decided this was the best course of action. A. fight holyfield for big payday which allows him to retain belt. then B. fight for another big payday but lose in a unification match.

makes far better sense for his wallet and for that i can understand his ambitions. however, that is not to say he belives he can win a unification with wladimir. if that was the case, he'd unify FIRST with wlad, THEN fight holyfield since the old man always wanted to retire as a unified champ. :patsch

[Butch Coolidge]

Maybe Sultan got a Real Deal he couldn't refuse. I mean wouldn't you rather fight somebody whom you could probably beat and make more money than fight somebody who most likely will beat the bloody piss out of you and get paid less for taking a bad ass whuppin'? If Sully gets past Holy, probable, then his next fight vs either Chag or Wlad will be a bigger event because of the hype he'll get from a win over Holy.

Of course, half of us-- myself included, will dismiss a Sultan victory over Holy as a win over a has-been.

[Sweet Scientist]

Everyone with a head is ducking Wladimir.

Yeah, exactly. Ibragimov is no different for not wanting to fight Wlad.

[RUSKULL]

Considering the talk in this fight was originally about unification, that Wladimir has a wide-open schedule, that Sultan has already been getting ready for a tough fight in Chagaev, and that the fight would still be in Sultan's backyard, if Wladimir wasn't given the first call, it's because Sultan of his people didn't want Wladimir to say yes.

Exactly my points, all of them.

[RUSKULL]

Butch. yea I think you're absolutely right. If Iggy (or even Holi should he win) beats Holi he is way more marketable in a financial sense in a fight with Vlad or any other unification. It's a win win situation. Vlad will make more for beating the champ that retired Holi than he would get for the guy that beat Briggs. This fight will give Iggy 2 big American names on his resume, and that will not only sell well over in Germany or Russia, but it will also sell better in America/HBO. The ex-Soviet guys are much more marketable when they have a bunch of well known American scalps than when they are just fighting each other, even if each other is the better competition. This is the way it will be for a while, and it is also the way to get rid of the stigma the US audience often associates with Euro-fighters, just take on all the US fighters first, then when the Euro champs battle it out it will then seem and also be legit.

True, and I really don't blame Iggy for taking an easier fight ofr a bigger payday. This is prizefighting after all.

[Unforgiven]

If Chagaev pulled out because Holyfield's camp paid him off then it would be rude for Sultan to turn around a fight Wladimir instead of Holyfield !

:deal

Holyfield bought in. Why should Wlad benefit ?

:hey

[Shpion]

Considering the talk in this fight was originally about unification, that Wladimir has a wide-open schedule, that Sultan has already been getting ready for a tough fight in Chagaev, and that the fight would still be in Sultan's backyard, if Wladimir wasn't given the first call, it's because Sultan of his people didn't want Wladimir to say yes.

Exactly my thoughts.:good I actualy made a thread about it yesterday.

[tortik]

I want to see what spin Novirasputin puts on this to make it sound as though Sultan is doing the right thing. He's a big fan of Sultan so he's probably hiding his head in the sand right now...................... WOW SO TRUE MAN LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL + 1

[Bigcat]

A fight with Wlad is worth three times more if he has extra titles to use as bargaining tools .. Unification against the best is best kept for last.. Sultan is not avoidinghim, he just has priorities right..

IMO Wlad will devour him but in the grand scheme of things Sultan is doing things exactly right........

[RUSKULL]

A fight with Wlad is worth three times more if he has extra titles to use as bargaining tools .. Unification against the best is best kept for last.. Sultan is not avoidinghim, he just has priorities right..

IMO Wlad will devour him but in the grand scheme of things Sultan is doing things exactly right........

Excellent point & I really don't spite Sultan the big payday vs. Holy and the possible even bigger fight vs. Wlad if he defeats Holy.

[Orang-Utan Jim]

I don´t blame Ibragimov. He can earn good money with a Holy-fight without the risk he would´ve vs. Klitschko. I would do so as well, but for the division and the boxing fans the Ibragimov-Holyfield-fight is nonsense.

And yes, in a certain way Ibragimov is ducking Klitschko, because immediately after Chagaev pulled out they called Kathy Duva, while Klitschko would´ve been an option.....

[Bazooka]

I say yes.

I'd love to see his excuse for not fighting Wladimir for a 2nd unification option...................He & Ruslan had a combined great excuse since they were unifying against each other.

Get fucking real, Sultan isnt ducking Wlad he is taking a money fight, he dont owe Wlad shit

[Vantage_West]

sultans first defence was a unification fight....chagaev fulled out...ibragimov is doing stuff wlad hanst even thought of.


wlad is dodging sultan

[Vantage_West]

Get fucking real, Sultan isnt ducking Wlad he is taking a money fight, he dont owe Wlad shit:respect

[Bazooka]

:respect

I swear to fucking god, REDSKULL acts like the fucking entire world revolves around these cock suckers.

[Shotgun]

He no doubt could have fought Wlad. You know Wlad would take the fight, and there's no reason it couldn't be made. You realize how huge a Sultan-Wlad unification in Moscow would be?

But Sultan doesn't want to get demolished by Wlad

[Bazooka]

He no doubt could have fought Wlad. You know Wlad would take the fight, and there's no reason it couldn't be made. You realize how huge a Sultan-Wlad unification in Moscow would be?

But Sultan doesn't want to get demolished by Wlad

Or it might just be that Sultan wants to take advantage of this opportunity and make some big cash before he fights in the unification bouts, perhaps Sultan is looking at this fight as an easy payday before he takes the bigger fights.
Nothing wrong with that its been done time and time again.

[Heavyrighthand]

I don´t blame Ibragimov. He can earn good money with a Holy-fight without the risk he would´ve vs. Klitschko. I would do so as well, but for the division and the boxing fans the Ibragimov-Holyfield-fight is nonsense.

And yes, in a certain way Ibragimov is ducking Klitschko, because immediately after Chagaev pulled out they called Kathy Duva, while Klitschko would´ve been an option.....

You can't really blame him and his handlers for taking what they think will be a big money fight with Holy (I doubt it'll be a big seller, but still.......), but you can certianly blame him and see how he was merely running his mouth when he said he wanted Wlad next, and was after complete unification.

That is some rediculous bullshit, to say that publicly, then get the chance to DO it, and take another fight with a less threatening opponent, so fast it made our heads swim.

But I imagine that Ibragimov has recently reviewed his fight with Austin, and then reveiwed Wlad's fight with Austin, and then convienently forgot all that blowhard crap he was saying about wanting Wlad and being after complete unification. :lol:

[Mendoza]

I say yes.

I'd love to see his excuse for not fighting Wladimir for a 2nd unification option...................He & Ruslan had a combined great excuse since they were unifying against each other.

Where the poll choice is for Sultan was set for a title unification match with Chagaev, but Chagaev pulled out? This is too bad. Heavyweight boxing needed a title unification match. I suppose the shell of Holyfield will due until Sultan gets a chance to line up another opponent. I don’t think Sultan is ducking Wlad. He just won his belt. Ducking takes at least a year.

[RUSKULL]

I don´t blame Ibragimov. He can earn good money with a Holy-fight without the risk he would´ve vs. Klitschko. I would do so as well, but for the division and the boxing fans the Ibragimov-Holyfield-fight is nonsense.

And yes, in a certain way Ibragimov is ducking Klitschko, because immediately after Chagaev pulled out they called Kathy Duva, while Klitschko would´ve been an option.....

Exactly.

[RUSKULL]

Get fucking real, Sultan isnt ducking Wlad he is taking a money fight, he dont owe Wlad shit

No, he doesn't owe Wlad shit, but as a beltholder he does owe the fans unification, especially since it's readily available since neither Wlad or himself have mandatories in the way.

[RUSKULL]

sultans first defence was a unification fight....chagaev fulled out...ibragimov is doing stuff wlad hanst even thought of.


wlad is dodging sultan

:rofl

[RUSKULL]

I swear to fucking god, REDSKULL acts like the fucking entire world revolves around these cock suckers.

You are a fool.

Wladimir has a belt and he's available, and largely concidered the best HW right now. Blowmezooka is trying to distort the obvious facts.

[RUSKULL]

He no doubt could have fought Wlad. You know Wlad would take the fight, and there's no reason it couldn't be made. You realize how huge a Sultan-Wlad unification in Moscow would be?

But Sultan doesn't want to get demolished by Wlad

Spot on correct. :deal

[Shotgun]

Or it might just be that Sultan wants to take advantage of this opportunity and make some big cash before he fights in the unification bouts, perhaps Sultan is looking at this fight as an easy payday before he takes the bigger fights.
Nothing wrong with that its been done time and time again.
Nothing wrong with it. But he had already signed on for a unification fight before it got scrapped, which seems to indicate he was looking to make a big fight not an easy payday

But I think Sultan would have a good chance to beat Chagaev. I don't think he has much hope against Wlad. And Sultan's camp/management most likely agrees. Maybe I should rephrase, Sultan probably isn't scared to fight Wlad but I bet his management knows he would lose to Wlad and don't want that to happen in his first defense

[Bazooka]

You are a fool.

Wladimir has a belt and he's available, and largely concidered the best HW right now. Blowmezooka is trying to distort the obvious facts.

You dont understand this shit do you, Professional Boxing is a business if you want a sport that is why we have the amateurs, its that simple.
These guys are out to make as much as they can and have a right to do so, so why all the hate?
I am sure Wlad will unify sooner or later, but the fight that Sultan did have set up, fell apart, I am sure he wanted to atleast make some cash before the unification bout so you cant really bash on him for that.
I mean damn Wlad could have easily fought Maskaev rather than Austin or Brewster, or he could have fought Valuev after he beat Byrd I mean its not like the only opportunity for Wlad was to face the WBO champ, there are two other champions out there for him.
So why blame this guy, why not just say the other three are all avoiding him?

[Mrboogie23]

I voted for the what the fuck are you talking about option but in reality, I see your point.

I think he feels he's not quite ready to fight Wlad. Lets face it, Wlad probably starches him and he's looking to cash in on his belt. I'd prefer unification but I think its okay for new beltholders to get a good payday before getting there faces smashed in by Wlad.

:lol:

[Bazooka]

I voted for the what the fuck are you talking about option but in reality, I see your point.

I think he feels he's not quite ready to fight Wlad. Lets face it, Wlad probably starches him and he's looking to cash in on his belt. I'd prefer unification but I think its okay for new beltholders to get a good payday before getting there faces smashed in by Wlad.

:lol:

and That is more than likely the case which is why i say he is taking a money fight first, let the man its not everyday you win a world title so let the man get something out of it, he has earned it.

[Mrboogie23]

and That is more than likely the case which is why i say he is taking a money fight first, let the man its not everyday you win a world title so let the man get something out of it, he has earned it.


:good

[Bazooka]

:good

But trying to explain that to these Klitschko Closet queers is a whole different issue, they just dont understand the business end of the sport.

[RUSKULL]

But trying to explain that to these Klitschko Closet queers is a whole different issue, they just dont understand the business end of the sport.

here we go again, all Klitschko fans must be queers huh?!

Eat me shit lips.

[Bazooka]

here we go again, all Klitschko fans must be queers huh?!

Eat me shit lips.

No not the fans, just the nuthuggers like you

[AJAX]

I voted for the what the fuck are you talking about option but in reality, I see your point.

I think he feels he's not quite ready to fight Wlad. Lets face it, Wlad probably starches him and he's looking to cash in on his belt. I'd prefer unification but I think its okay for new beltholders to get a good payday before getting there faces smashed in by Wlad.

:lol:

sounds about right, with Holyfield he can make some cash and have a beatable opponent, also get's his name out there a little more.if he fights Wlad, he likely loses brutally, and sultan seen how quick he disposed of Austin when Sultan fought him to a draw. As long as he doesn't take another easy fight after this.

[Bazooka]

sounds about right, with Holyfield he can make some cash and have a beatable opponent, also get's his name out there a little more.if he fights Wlad, he likely loses brutally, and sultan seen how quick he disposed of Austin when Sultan fought him to a draw. As long as he doesn't take another easy fight after this.

Lets not also forget it took him 11 rounds to get Lawrence out of there as well

[Scar]

Don't know what's going on with these guys but if he is ducking Wladimir then I can't blame him one bit, he'll get knocked out cold against Wladimir.

[Bazooka]

Don't know what's going on with these guys but if he is ducking Wladimir then I can't blame him one bit, he'll get knocked out cold against Wladimir.

My point is let the man make some change before throwing him to the sharks he has earned as much its not every day you win a HW world title.

[Mr "T"]

Don't know what's going on with these guys but if he is ducking Wladimir then I can't blame him one bit, he'll get knocked out cold against Wladimir.Yep...he'd get all f**ked up. Wlad's a bad dude right now. I hope he rematches Peter again, if Pete beats Oleg.

[dragosuhail]

i musta missed your post ruskull on novrisaputin... yeah that WILL be interesting! seriously that writer claims not to be bias... well not THAT bias, but seriously he's delusional. sultan and warrior boxing just lost major cred, and they had a mouthpiece claiming sultan is this and that, and desires to unify for boxing history, blah blah blah. NOW WHAT WILL THAT WRITER SAY??? mmm[Only registered and activated users can see links]!:lol:

time to eat some humble pie novrisaputin :yep

there is NO DOUBT wlad could easily fit that schedule... hell even delay it to november if need be, but to slip holyfield in there instantly is just pathetic. damn i really gotta learn to stop falling for promoters and their press releases :-(

all they had to do is replace WBA champ with IBF champ and unification continues. simple! but i know the real reason....

Austin DRAWED AND KNOCKED DOWN SHIFTY IGGY TWICE OVER 10 ROUNDS Ibragimov
Austin KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT WITH LEFT HAND BY WLADIMIR IN 2 ROUNDS AND USING A ROY JONES JR. SPECIALITY OF A QUADRUPLE LEFT HOOK Klitschko. There's everyones answer!

[RUSKULL]

i musta missed your post ruskull on novrisaputin... yeah that WILL be interesting! seriously that writer claims not to be bias... well not THAT bias, but seriously he's delusional. sultan and warrior boxing just lost major cred, and they had a mouthpiece claiming sultan is this and that, and desires to unify for boxing history, blah blah blah. NOW WHAT WILL THAT WRITER SAY??? mmm[Only registered and activated users can see links]!:lol:

time to eat some humble pie novrisaputin :yep

there is NO DOUBT wlad could easily fit that schedule... hell even delay it to november if need be, but to slip holyfield in there instantly is just pathetic. damn i really gotta learn to stop falling for promoters and their press releases :-(

all they had to do is replace WBA champ with IBF champ and unification continues. simple! but i know the real reason....

Austin DRAWED AND KNOCKED DOWN SHIFTY IGGY TWICE OVER 10 ROUNDS Ibragimov
Austin KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT WITH LEFT HAND BY WLADIMIR IN 2 ROUNDS AND USING A ROY JONES JR. SPECIALITY OF A QUADRUPLE LEFT HOOK Klitschko. There's everyones answer!

Solid post.

Truth is I don't hate Iggy nor do I think he fears Wlad, his management does.

That was a pretty bold statement by Sultan to defeat Big Bad Briggs and then go straight for unification with Chagaev. I gave both fighters huge respect.

It's just that now I feel like Sultan & Ruslan let me and all boxing fans down :-( and to announce the replacement as Holyfield while another beltholder, Wlad has no scheduled fight yet, reeks of insider trading.

Now if this means that Chagaev will unify vs. Wlad while awaiting the results of Sultan vs. Evander then it's okay I guess. Just get the process started already!

[Rudolph]

Isn't Wlad's hand injured? I heard he had like 2 months to recover. Besides, Wlad has already turned down a proposal to fight in Moscow on Iggy's undercard. I suppose there's a little bit of bad blood going on between K2 and the Moscow promoters.

From what I hear Holyfield isn't too happy about fighting in Moscow either, so that fight isn't a sealed deal yet.

[Lance_Uppercut]

I can't believe no one else questions why Ibragimov signed to fight Holyfield so fast after hearing that Chagaev pulled out, but Wlad had no fight scheduled yet.


FUCK! We are being bamboozled here!

Has Wlad or Sultan even contacted the other party? For all you know, THey did and WLAD said no. PRobably not, but it makes as much sense as yor argument.

[Fat Tony]

Besides, Wlad has already turned down a proposal to fight in Moscow on Iggy's undercard. I suppose there's a little bit of bad blood going on between K2 and the Moscow promoters.

Klitschko on Iggy's undercard? :D

Would be the same as DLH on Spink's undercard.

[dragosuhail]

you know it is possible chagaev will be ready by december or early next year, and im guessing wlad might be willing to risk wasting time by skipping his november fight...

if chagaev pulled out of a unification with wladimir then klitschko might lose 6 months waiting on chagaev who isn't exactly reliable atm.

also there's the little thing about K2 and chagaev's promoter (i think it's universum?) not getting on well since the brothers parted from that promoter years ago. in fact it could be the equivalent to the bob arum dislike for golden boy simply because he's a bitter promoter who didn't like seeing his cash cow walk out the door.

on the other hand chagaev's promoter might think ruslan could not hang around for long so why not throw him in with wladimir? big money... no - a HUGE money fight. maybe the promoters can put aside their differences for big cash?

and you never know chagaev's promoters might feel a little confidence after their figthers great performance against the huge nicolai valuev. even though wladimir is superior to niko in everyway except physical size and reach, chagaev passed that test with flying colours. they might think he has the ability to land enough shots on wladimir's chin. and i actually feel chagaev poses the biggest threat at the moment in the divison. solid chin, moves a lot when needed. solid power, akward style being a lot shorter than wlad etc.

anyway it's all speculation at this moment, but i will get more excited at a possible unification if it's a long time before we hear anything again from wladimir or chagaev's camp. usually that's a sign of when the serious negotiations are going on. when fighters trade verbal shots in pressers it's less likely to take place.

the bottom line is i guess it's possible unification will happen this year (slim/no chance) or early next year (far more possible).

but one thing is certain if wladimir doesn't get the matchup before mid 2009 he might just call it a day, and be happy with the ring belt. afterall that's 2 years for the others to get their act together. but im getting optimistic again. i only hope it's true that holyfield will be installed as ibragimov's mandatory. if that's the case it will be interesting to see warrior boxing promotions and slava squirm for 12 months after retiring holyman.