How would you rank DLHs career if these decisions went differently....

[Illmatic]

if Oscar won titles at 130, 135, 140, lost by split decision to Whitaker. Then building up to a rematch Whitaker loses to Tito, then Oscar gets the decision over Tito. He then loses to Quartey in a unification by a close margin.

He then loses to Mosley, goes up to 154, beats Castillejo, beats Vargas, and then gets the nod over Mosley in the rematch.

He then goes to 160, loses to Sturm, goes back down to 154 and beats Mayorga.

So let me sum it up here. If Oscar got the decisions I feel he shouldve gotten:

UD12 by Whitaker
UD12 over Tito
UD12 by Quartey
UD12 over Castillego
KO10 over Vargas
UD12 over Mosley
UD12 by Sturm
KO5 over Mayorga

how differently would you view Oscar? how differently would his career be viewed in general?

[1lehudson]

if Oscar won titles at 130, 135, 140, lost by split decision to Whitaker. Then building up to a rematch Whitaker loses to Tito, then Oscar gets the decision over Tito. He then loses to Quartey in a unification by a close margin.

He then loses to Mosley, goes up to 154, beats Castillejo, beats Vargas, and then gets the nod over Mosley in the rematch.

He then goes to 160, loses to Sturm, goes back down to 154 and beats Mayorga.

So let me sum it up here. If Oscar got the decisions I feel he shouldve gotten:

UD12 by Whitaker
UD12 over Tito
UD12 by Quartey
UD12 over Castillego
KO10 over Vargas
UD12 over Mosley
UD12 by Sturm
KO5 over Mayorga

how differently would you view Oscar? how differently would his career be viewed in general?I thought that Oscar beat Tito, and Sturm, the second fight with Shane to me was a toss up. I wasnt sure who won that fight. Had he lost the fights to Whiitaker and Quartey Oscar would have been seen as a better fighter now...I say that because I dont think that he would have fought some of the crap fighters that he fought, and it would have kept him more interested longer.

[Rock0052]

if Oscar won titles at 130, 135, 140, lost by split decision to Whitaker. Then building up to a rematch Whitaker loses to Tito, then Oscar gets the decision over Tito. He then loses to Quartey in a unification by a close margin.

He then loses to Mosley, goes up to 154, beats Castillejo, beats Vargas, and then gets the nod over Mosley in the rematch.

He then goes to 160, loses to Sturm, goes back down to 154 and beats Mayorga.

So let me sum it up here. If Oscar got the decisions I feel he shouldve gotten:

UD12 by Whitaker
UD12 over Tito
UD12 by Quartey
UD12 over Castillego
KO10 over Vargas
UD12 over Mosley
UD12 by Sturm
KO5 over Mayorga

how differently would you view Oscar? how differently would his career be viewed in general?

I don't think it'd be viewed any different honestly, it seems like alot of people already rank him according to your projected outcome.

[jimmie]

No different really cause for the most part people already view him as a guy who lost to Quartey,Whitaker,Sturm but won the Mosley rematch or it was a draw not a impressive fight for either and for sure beat Trinidad. Thats how I look at his career anyway.

[Amsterdam]

No different. What's on paper doesn't change my opinion, I had him losing to Whitaker, Quartey and the Trinidad fight was close and could have gone either way, and of course he lost to Sturm.

I hate how what's held in the hands of corrupt judges reflects people's views on the record.

[sweet_scientist]

Judges' decisions don't really play a part in how I rank a fighter. Judges have proved altogether too unreliable over the years and its best to judge fighters by how you scored the fights rather than how the judges did.

That said, with the exception of the Quartey fight, which I thought was a draw, I already hold DLH to the position Illmatic presents.

[Asterion]

I had him winning against Whitaker and Quartey. Also defeating Trinidad. But losing the second Mosley fight and also losing against Sturm.

[brooklyn1550]

Not that differently

[CarltonBlues]

Well on my scorecards he only lost to Mosley the first time and he had a draw with Mayweather. (plus the KO by Hop)

[Farmboxer]

Oscar was cheated by the judges because Don King and Bob Arum did not want him to win. Why? Because they did not approve of Oscar being a promoter, they have neve forgiven him. I had Oscar beating Tito, no doubt about it. I had Oscar beating Mosely 7-5 in the first fight and the rematch, no contest, Oscar won, it was not even close.

[sweet_scientist]

Well on my scorecards he only lost to Mosley the first time and he had a draw with Mayweather. (plus the KO by Hop)

So you thought he beat Sturm? Surely not.

[maciek4]

Slightly higher than now. Defeating Trinidad and avenging Mosley loss would have made him p4p top 3.

[Pimp C]

I had him losing to Sweet Pea, Ike and Strum and beating tito.

[Thread Stealer]

I wouldn't change it all that much. But if he had lost certain fights, then other fights that he was in might've not materialized.

Anyway, I have Oscar drawing with Whitaker, losing to Ike and Sturm, and winning against Tito and the Mosley rematch.

[maciek4]

I wouldn't change it all that much. But if he had lost certain fights, then other fights that he was in might've not materialized.

Anyway, I have Oscar drawing with Whitaker, losing to Ike and Sturm, and winning against Tito and the Mosley rematch.

All the fights would materialize. Oscar can fight whoever he wants to fight despite the losses.

[Thread Stealer]

All the fights would materialize. Oscar can fight whoever he wants to fight despite the losses.

Well let's say Oscar doesn't get the nod against Quartey. Quartey and Trinidad would've probably fought instead, like they were scheduled to in 1998 before Ike pulled out. Tito was about to move up to 154 anyway, since had hell for awhile making 147. Before Tito moves up, do they fight immediately in May of 1999 or do they both have a warm-up fight and fight in September/October of 1999 like DLH and Trinidad eventually did? Tito maybe makes an exception should he beat Quartey and fights again @ 147 if Oscar wants to fight him, but from the promotional angle, it would most likely have to wait until the Mexican holiday in May 2000. How would the timing go? Would Tito and King insist on it being at a higher weight like they did for the proposed DLH-Tito match, since Tito was killing himself @ 147? Would Oscar and Arum agree?

Or if Oscar loses the fight versus Whitaker. Oscar probably gets a rematch if he wants one, but you can never be too sure about those things. Things would take a different course. When does Oscar get a major belt @ 147? Who does DLH fight after a defeat to not only help his confidence, but to get more comfortable with his fighting style? DLH's always been a mesh of styles.

[maciek4]

Well let's say Oscar doesn't get the nod against Quartey. Quartey and Trinidad would've probably fought instead, like they were scheduled to in 1998 before Ike pulled out. Tito was about to move up to 154 anyway, since had hell for awhile making 147. Before Tito moves up, do they fight immediately in May of 1999 or do they both have a warm-up fight and fight in September/October of 1999 like DLH and Trinidad eventually did? Tito maybe makes an exception should he beat Quartey and fights again @ 147 if Oscar wants to fight him, but from the promotional angle, it would most likely have to wait until the Mexican holiday in May 2000. How would the timing go? Would Tito and King insist on it being at a higher weight like they did for the proposed DLH-Tito match, since Tito was killing himself @ 147? Would Oscar and Arum agree?

Or if Oscar loses the fight versus Whitaker. Oscar probably gets a rematch if he wants one, but you can never be too sure about those things. Things would take a different course. When does Oscar get a major belt @ 147? Who does DLH fight after a defeat to not only help his confidence, but to get more comfortable with his fighting style? DLH's always been a mesh of styles.

Oscar established his fame and popularity very early in his career. Even if he lost to Quartey or Whitaker and we are speaking of very close and controversial loses, he would still get his shot at Trinidad.

[jason]

well i could imagin giving him both wins against shane and never beating tito