What do you guys think of Slim Fast?

[joejab]

I am right now around 206 and I want to get down to 201 or a little bit lower. I have the fat to burn, so no need to worry about my health.:lol:
To the question, what do you guys think of slim fast as a way of losing a few pounds? If I do it I'm going to drink it 3 times a day: Breakfast(8:00 a.m.), Lunch(12:00-1:00 p.m.), & Dinner(5:00-6:00 p.m.) and with a lot of water. I'm only gonna do it for a week and of course keep doing my training. So thoughts, comments, suggestions, or observations would all be greatly appreciated.

[amy]

I think that's a terrible idea. That's not nearly enough calories to get through a day, let alone to do it an entire week. Starving yourself like that only slows down your metabolism in the long run and causes you to binge out of hunger. Just eat a balanced diet full of fruits, vegetables and lean protein and get plenty of exercise. The weight (and fat) will come off.

[Charles White]

Slim Fast didn't work for me personally... I always drank the damn things one after the other, couldn't help it, the chocolate flavor tastes good to me, so I quit buying those a few years back. So Im not the world's leading authority on Slim Fast, but damn do they taste good imo.

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

If you only want to lose 5 lbs, you could do that with one really hard workout. (It will all be water weight though)

If you want to lose 5 lbs of fat, just eat healthy, cut back just a little bit and workout hard. The weight will come off, especially if you have the fat to lose.

The point is...your slim fast plan is not a good idea, and it is sort of unhealthy and will probably make things worse.

[amy]

Besides, Slim Fast is full of sugar. You'd be better off just eating light and healthy and taking a multivitamin.

[joejab]

I'm glad I asked. The idea of losing weight and satisfying my sweet tooth at the same time was just too good to be true. Well since the Slim fast thing is not good. What daily calorie intake would you recommend? I'm around 6'6" and have around 10% to 12% body fat.

[Charles White]

I'm glad I asked. The idea of losing weight and satisfying my sweet tooth at the same time was just too good to be true. Well since the Slim fast thing is not good. What daily calorie intake would you recommend? I'm around 6'6" and have around 10% to 12% body fat. You are that tall and weigh only 206 lbs.? My advice... put on some weight, muscle or fat, it doesn't matter at this point... with respect sir.

[amy]

I'm glad I asked. The idea of losing weight and satisfying my sweet tooth at the same time was just too good to be true. Well since the Slim fast thing is not good. What daily calorie intake would you recommend? I'm around 6'6" and have around 10% to 12% body fat.

Why are you looking to lose weight? Sounds like you are about where you need to be. Depending on your activity level you probably need about 3,000 calories a day.

[joejab]

You are that tall and weigh only 206 lbs.? My advice... put on some weight, muscle or fat, it doesn't matter at this point... with respect sir.

Its cool, I knew as soon as someone knew my wieght and height ratio there would be some concerns, but I'll have you know I'm very healthy and in good shape, just need to lose a few pounds of fat is all. Thank you for your concern though, it diddn't go unnoticed.:D

[joejab]

Why are you looking to lose weight? Sounds like you are about where you need to be. Depending on your activity level you probably need about 3,000 calories a day.

I'm aimming to fight as a heavyweight and I know it is not unreasonable to get there, so judging from what you gave me that calorie intake is for maintaining weight with training? So would it be reasonable to go to 2000 you think?

[Charles White]

Its cool, I knew as soon as someone knew my wieght and height ratio there would be some concerns, but I'll have you know I'm very healthy and in good shape, just need to lose a few pounds of fat is all. Thank you for your concern though, it diddn't go unnoticed.:D Your most welcome sir. At first I thought it was a typo, but guess not. Be well my friend. Keep healthy.:good

[amy]

I'm aimming to fight as a heavyweight and I know it is not unreasonable to get there, so judging from what you gave me that calorie intake is for maintaining weight with training? So would it be reasonable to go to 2000 you think?

No, that was to lose weight. You want to get down to just under 201, I assume?

Go to nutritiondata.com and use the daily needs calculator and it will tell you what you need to eat every day to maintain your weight. Then eat about 500-600 calories less than that.

[joejab]

No, that was to lose weight. You want to get down to just under 201, I assume?

Go to nutritiondata.com and use the daily needs calculator and it will tell you what you need to eat every day to maintain your weight. Then eat about 500-600 calories less than that.

Thank you, I knew it was good idea to ask on here before trying to slim down.

[joejab]

Another question, does this site cost money to join up to?

[amy]

No, it's free.

[skipdog]

Lose weight - eat less healthy food
Gain weight - eat more healthy food

[xoum]

just one thing some one could be 6.6ft and weight 200 odd pounds and still be overweight if you overall frame is "small". Tomas Hearns was a prime example of a very tall and very skynny boxer but then again he was a fitness freak...

[rodney]

201 lbs.
Thats only 5 pounds.
Slimfast once a day for 3 days should work.
You still eat, but no junk.
After a couple big giant dumps, you should make 201 no problem.

[joejab]

Lose weight - eat less healthy food
Gain weight - eat more healthy food

Trust me, it is because I eat too much food is why I'm over 201 right now. Not because it is bad food, I eat pretty healthy.

[joejab]

just one thing some one could be 6.6ft and weight 200 odd pounds and still be overweight if you overall frame is "small". Tomas Hearns was a prime example of a very tall and very skynny boxer but then again he was a fitness freak...

I am pretty slim and when I was training diligently, I trained 6 hours a day and 6 days a week and was keeping my wieght around 195 to 197. Right now I am only training 1 1/2 hours a day and 3-4 days a week I am around 203. I am losing some weight.:happy(Not with slimfast of course) Also, please do not compare me to Hearns. Hearns is a legend, I am a nobody. Plus I am a straight up boxer, I couldn't break a shell if I hit it with a sledge hammer.:lol:

[joejab]

201 lbs.
Thats only 5 pounds.
Slimfast once a day for 3 days should work.
You still eat, but no junk.
After a couple big giant dumps, you should make 201 no problem.

Thanks, maybe a few slim fasts here and there would not be so bad.

[elTerrible]

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[elTerrible]

Looks like garbage to me.

- Its only 220 calories. If you only ate 3 of those a day you would be fucking starving and your metabolism would shut down. Its not enough for a "meal"

- It only has 10 grams of protein. Thats not good for someone trying to loose weight and preserve muscle.

- has a bunch of vitamins. Big deal, I get those in a multivitamin.

- 40 grams of carbs. 5 of which are fiber which is good. But then 35 of those are sugar. That is as much sugar as a can of many brands of soda.


I dont know how much they cost but its probably a rip off.

[xoum]

I am pretty slim and when I was training diligently, I trained 6 hours a day and 6 days a week and was keeping my wieght around 195 to 197. Right now I am only training 1 1/2 hours a day and 3-4 days a week I am around 203. I am losing some weight.:happy(Not with slimfast of course) Also, please do not compare me to Hearns. Hearns is a legend, I am a nobody. Plus I am a straight up boxer, I couldn't break a shell if I hit it with a sledge hammer.:lol:


dont get me wrong im not calling you tomas hearns bruv LOL im just saying to the people saying that 201 is a good weight for your height that its not that simple, some people are tall and have a light build so its possible to have a 6ft5 guy overweight at 201..(occasionaly)
But i know where your coming from im around 195 for 6ft4 cant go lower without looking like a somalian .....and feeling very weak....and yea hearns was just a killer! i love his style his right hand was just TOO powerfull!
and yea fuck slimfast, just calcualte your total daily calorie intake and take away 500 calories from it and you will loose weight, also go running early in the morning before breakfast, great way to loose weight...

[Boyd]

i'm 5ft11 200 pounds and in very good shape. your legs must be like tooth picks are they?

[xoum]

yea ive got long legs but im not really dispoportionate, they serve me well in muy thai, my knees dont have to travel too far to reach peoples heads!

[Boyd]

yea ive got long legs but im not really dispoportionate, they serve me well in muy thai, my knees dont have to travel too far to reach peoples heads!that's good. wouldn't have to travel far to hit my head.

[Quickhands21]

Starving yourself is never good..Just eat quality carbs protein and fat in good foods..eat smaller meals..work out hard..I have old school training beliefs..I use to down a slimfast post workout for the nutrients but would eat alot..i didnt use it for a meal replacement

[Primadonna Kool]

I am right now around 206 and I want to get down to 201 or a little bit lower. I have the fat to burn, so no need to worry about my health.:lol:
To the question, what do you guys think of slim fast as a way of losing a few pounds? If I do it I'm going to drink it 3 times a day: Breakfast(8:00 a.m.), Lunch(12:00-1:00 p.m.), & Dinner(5:00-6:00 p.m.) and with a lot of water. I'm only gonna do it for a week and of course keep doing my training. So thoughts, comments, suggestions, or observations would all be greatly appreciated.


Use this calculator in the link below, and also invest in some Green Tea. And drink your Green Tea before your workout, green tea is a thermigenic, so it helps your body convert fat into energy. So you will be burning more fat during your workouts, that is one of many benefits that Green Tea has..............


There's the right way, the wrong way, and then there's Mr Kool's way. And that's called the best way....because i don't do diets...the information i have told you in this post. You can take on board........ live and eat this way for the rest of your life and not feel straved, you will feel great and your body will improve..............[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[BRICKS]

slim fast tastes terrible!

[elchivito]

i've tried it, it does give u a full feeling, but u feel bloated and it does have sugar. it didn't do much for me. i guess it also depends on your metabolism and low or high intensity workout that u do. i've gone from 190 to about 156 but just by eating half of what i usually ate, and that's because i have a low metabolism. my sys/diastolic is like 120-115 over 60. if i bought a burger, i'd eat half and save the other half for leftovers the next day for lunch, not for dinner as i'd only eat apples, bananas, and nuts like pecans or pistachios. i used to eat a large box of pepperoni pizza by myself, now i'll just eat 2 slices and i'll just eat the crust and the topping. what i will eat a full meal is breakfast as it's the most important and fuel for the day. works for me.

[joejab]

i'm 5ft11 200 pounds and in very good shape. your legs must be like tooth picks are they?

Actually no, my legs are very muscular, but my upper body is slim and I got some pretty good tone. I'm just light I guess.

[joejab]

no way you trained full on for 6 hours

Of course I took breaks, so if you included all the time of weightlifting, calethenics, cardio, and swimming it would tally up to 4 1/2 to 5 hours of working out.

[joejab]

Use this calculator in the link below, and also invest in some Green Tea. And drink your Green Tea before your workout, green tea is a thermigenic, so it helps your body convert fat into energy. So you will be burning more fat during your workouts, that is one of many benefits that Green Tea has..............

There's the right way, the wrong way, and then there's Mr Kool's way. And that's called the best way....because i don't do diets...the information i have told you in this post. You can take on board........ live and eat this way for the rest of your life and not feel straved, you will feel great and your body will improve..............[Only registered and activated users can see links]

I do have some green tea at my house, I will start doing that. Thanks

[joejab]

Slim Fast is a horrible idea, any supplement is for that matter.

Post your exact diet in detail, include your LMB, weight, age and give us an idea of your training program.

Right now I have got down to 202 pounds and I am 20 years old. I am not following an exact diet at the moment, but I'm eating fairly healthy. Today at 7:45 I had a cup of vanillia yogurt, then at 9:45 I had a Cheese sandwich, Pretzels, and a small protein bar. Then from 12:45 to 3:20 I worked out. After the workout I had a 40 ounce protien smoothie king smoothie for dinner around 4 pm. Smoothie King is very healthy and that is all I'm eating for today.

My work out for today and a somewhat typical one:

1. When I run back and forth on the basket ball court I consider that one 'line'. So I do 10 lines and then do 10 real push ups. Then I do 9 and then 10 push ups and I keep doing that until I finish with 1 line.

2. I did 4 sets of 2 minute wall sits.

3. Went under a volley ball net and used as a line for bobing and weaving. Going back and forth I consider 1, so I did it 4 times.

4. Got on bleachers and did 4 sets of 25 ... stomach exercises.

5. Did 4 again except while holding a medicine ball near my head.

6. 4 sets of 15 military presses

7. ran a 7:00 minute mile

8. Did no# 1 again

Sorry, what is LMB?

[Corrosion]

No.

[joejab]

No.

Yes:D

[WarDog]

I'm 5'10", I've gone from 290lbs in December 2006, to like 180lbs now. I was a fat bastard who only got up early if there was a Dallas rerun. Now I'm quite nimble and energetic, etc... I'm now ready to muscle up to 210, 220, over the next couple years. Wanna be like Iron Mike, but anyway... I did it in stops and starts, in bits really, but if you wanna know my basic philosophy... here it is...
Well, food is protein, carbs and fats. So, pick your protein, carbs and fats.
Protein, ok, tuna, eggs, chicken, etc..
Fats, take an essential fatty acid supplement, flaxseed oil, whatever. like 3-5g a day, or something. You need to eat fat to lose fat. You need fatty acids in your diet to metabolise body fat. Going back to eggs, for example, the egg yolk is a great source of good fat, you can eat 3-5 boiled eggs a day, it's not gonna kill you, man, phospholipids rock, what kills you is if you take those eggs and fry it, or nuke them in the microwave (as some people do), coz it turns the good fats bad, etc.
OK, all that is just preliminary sh-t, now... picking your CARBS... you only put on fat when your blood sugar levels go on a bender. If you eat something sugary, (like SlimFast, lol), your get an energy rush for like 5min as your blood sugar levels skyrocket, your body then starts to secrete insulin to store that blood sugar as fat, it goes overboard and you wind up with low blood sugar like 20min later, which prompts you to eat something sugary once more. And it's a vicious cycle, and that's how you wind up like a fat bastard.
So, instead of fast-releasing CARBS (sugary stuff), you need to fuel up on slow-releasing carbs. My personal favourites are oats (yip, porridge oats), and brown basmati rice. They're extreme in this regard, really slow-releasing. With a bowl of oats for breakfast, sure in the beginning I also threw in some milk, butter, sugar, honey, whatever... gradually however I reduced it, to the point where I was at times eating it completely plain. Just cooked with water, and down the hatch. To be honest, cook it with a bit of milk, throw in a sliced banana, you'll enjoy it more and overall it'll have the same effect. If cash ain't an issue (some of us are living on the breadline here, lol, I know I am!), throw in strawberries or whatever. Eat it three times a day if you need to. That's what I do. Oats in high quantities can be rather acidic, if you find this is the case, try a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in a glass of water once or twice a day to alkalinise things.
Brown basmatic rice, I just mix in a bit of green pesto sauce. Done. You could for that matter use any pasta sauce and pretend that it's a risotto, just watch the sugar content.
You mention vanilla yoghurt, plain plain yoghurt is another winner. No flavourings, no added sugar, nothing. A small bowl of that, it's got carbs, protein, etc... in the right ratio, great snack, good snack before and/or after exercise, throw in a bit of sliced fruit if you can't stomach it on its own, but really it only takes a week or two to kill a sugar addiction if you go full out. I used to eat fully sugared up highly flavoured yoghurt, now I'm only eating completely plain yoghurt and thoroughly enjoying it.
Eat smaller meals, but more often (i see like a six-hour-gap in your food diary, that's something you wanna avoid), do high intensity interval training (or tabata intervals or whatever) to jack up your metabolism, eat lots of fruit, lots of raw/lightly steamed veg, with a preference from fibrous veg like broccoli and leafy veg and stuff, snack on raw carrots, nuts and seeds, and drink plenty water. Uh huh.
If I could recommend a book, it would be Patrick Holford's "The Holford Low GL Diet". You've only got 5 pounds to lose so, anyway, shouldn't be long.

EDIT: Oh yeah, you can get vegetable sources of protein too, like lentils and quinoa... and of course take a multivitamin and multimineral, lol. Just to round things off.

[Boom_Boom]

lol
slim fast is for women

[elTerrible]

I'm 5'10", I've gone from 290lbs in December 2006, to like 180lbs now. I was a fat bastard who only got up early if there was a Dallas rerun. Now I'm quite nimble and energetic, etc... I'm now ready to muscle up to 210, 220, over the next couple years. Wanna be like Iron Mike, but anyway... I did it in stops and starts, in bits really, but if you wanna know my basic philosophy... here it is...
Well, food is protein, carbs and fats. So, pick your protein, carbs and fats.
Protein, ok, tuna, eggs, chicken, etc..
Fats, take an essential fatty acid supplement, flaxseed oil, whatever. like 3-5g a day, or something. You need to eat fat to lose fat. You need fatty acids in your diet to metabolise body fat. Going back to eggs, for example, the egg yolk is a great source of good fat, you can eat 3-5 boiled eggs a day, it's not gonna kill you, man, phospholipids rock, what kills you is if you take those eggs and fry it, or nuke them in the microwave (as some people do), coz it turns the good fats bad, etc.
OK, all that is just preliminary sh-t, now... picking your CARBS... you only put on fat when your blood sugar levels go on a bender. If you eat something sugary, (like SlimFast, lol), your get an energy rush for like 5min as your blood sugar levels skyrocket, your body then starts to secrete insulin to store that blood sugar as fat, it goes overboard and you wind up with low blood sugar like 20min later, which prompts you to eat something sugary once more. And it's a vicious cycle, and that's how you wind up like a fat bastard.
So, instead of fast-releasing CARBS (sugary stuff), you need to fuel up on slow-releasing carbs. My personal favourites are oats (yip, porridge oats), and brown basmati rice. They're extreme in this regard, really slow-releasing. With a bowl of oats for breakfast, sure in the beginning I also threw in some milk, butter, sugar, honey, whatever... gradually however I reduced it, to the point where I was at times eating it completely plain. Just cooked with water, and down the hatch. To be honest, cook it with a bit of milk, throw in a sliced banana, you'll enjoy it more and overall it'll have the same effect. If cash ain't an issue (some of us are living on the breadline here, lol, I know I am!), throw in strawberries or whatever. Eat it three times a day if you need to. That's what I do. Oats in high quantities can be rather acidic, if you find this is the case, try a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in a glass of water once or twice a day to alkalinise things.
Brown basmatic rice, I just mix in a bit of green pesto sauce. Done. You could for that matter use any pasta sauce and pretend that it's a risotto, just watch the sugar content.
You mention vanilla yoghurt, plain plain yoghurt is another winner. No flavourings, no added sugar, nothing. A small bowl of that, it's got carbs, protein, etc... in the right ratio, great snack, good snack before and/or after exercise, throw in a bit of sliced fruit if you can't stomach it on its own, but really it only takes a week or two to kill a sugar addiction if you go full out. I used to eat fully sugared up highly flavoured yoghurt, now I'm only eating completely plain yoghurt and thoroughly enjoying it.
Eat smaller meals, but more often (i see like a six-hour-gap in your food diary, that's something you wanna avoid), do high intensity interval training (or tabata intervals or whatever) to jack up your metabolism, eat lots of fruit, lots of raw/lightly steamed veg, with a preference from fibrous veg like broccoli and leafy veg and stuff, snack on raw carrots, nuts and seeds, and drink plenty water. Uh huh.
If I could recommend a book, it would be Patrick Holford's "The Holford Low GL Diet". You've only got 5 pounds to lose so, anyway, shouldn't be long.

EDIT: Oh yeah, you can get vegetable sources of protein too, like lentils and quinoa... and of course take a multivitamin and multimineral, lol. Just to round things off.



Why would cooking eggs in a pan be any different than boiling them?

[Corrosion]

Why would cooking eggs in a pan be any different than boiling them?

It adds more fat, which is not really a bad thing. The media has brainwashed us into believing that fat it evil. This is not the case. Fat is your friend. The key is to balance the TYPES of fat you eat.

[elTerrible]

It adds more fat, which is not really a bad thing. The media has brainwashed us into believing that fat it evil. This is not the case. Fat is your friend. The key is to balance the TYPES of fat you eat.


Are you talking about butter?:huh


This dude said that cooking in a pan or microwave changes the fat in the yolk into a different form versus boiling it.

Ive never heard that before and dont believe it, but I want to see what he means by that.

[Corrosion]

Are you talking about butter?:huh


This dude said that cooking in a pan or microwave changes the fat in the yolk into a different form versus boiling it.

Ive never heard that before and dont believe it, but I want to see what he means by that.

I was talking about butter/oil. That is what this article was refering to when he said "changes into bad fats"

Heating fat to a high degree will breakdown and change it's fatty acid profile. So yes, the yolk could theoretically change.

You'd have to have a hell of an heat source though. Saturated fats are VERY stable. It would burn before it would change into "bad" fat.

[joejab]

I'm 5'10", I've gone from 290lbs in December 2006, to like 180lbs now. I was a fat bastard who only got up early if there was a Dallas rerun. Now I'm quite nimble and energetic, etc... I'm now ready to muscle up to 210, 220, over the next couple years. Wanna be like Iron Mike, but anyway... I did it in stops and starts, in bits really, but if you wanna know my basic philosophy... here it is...
Well, food is protein, carbs and fats. So, pick your protein, carbs and fats.
Protein, ok, tuna, eggs, chicken, etc..
Fats, take an essential fatty acid supplement, flaxseed oil, whatever. like 3-5g a day, or something. You need to eat fat to lose fat. You need fatty acids in your diet to metabolise body fat. Going back to eggs, for example, the egg yolk is a great source of good fat, you can eat 3-5 boiled eggs a day, it's not gonna kill you, man, phospholipids rock, what kills you is if you take those eggs and fry it, or nuke them in the microwave (as some people do), coz it turns the good fats bad, etc.
OK, all that is just preliminary sh-t, now... picking your CARBS... you only put on fat when your blood sugar levels go on a bender. If you eat something sugary, (like SlimFast, lol), your get an energy rush for like 5min as your blood sugar levels skyrocket, your body then starts to secrete insulin to store that blood sugar as fat, it goes overboard and you wind up with low blood sugar like 20min later, which prompts you to eat something sugary once more. And it's a vicious cycle, and that's how you wind up like a fat bastard.
So, instead of fast-releasing CARBS (sugary stuff), you need to fuel up on slow-releasing carbs. My personal favourites are oats (yip, porridge oats), and brown basmati rice. They're extreme in this regard, really slow-releasing. With a bowl of oats for breakfast, sure in the beginning I also threw in some milk, butter, sugar, honey, whatever... gradually however I reduced it, to the point where I was at times eating it completely plain. Just cooked with water, and down the hatch. To be honest, cook it with a bit of milk, throw in a sliced banana, you'll enjoy it more and overall it'll have the same effect. If cash ain't an issue (some of us are living on the breadline here, lol, I know I am!), throw in strawberries or whatever. Eat it three times a day if you need to. That's what I do. Oats in high quantities can be rather acidic, if you find this is the case, try a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in a glass of water once or twice a day to alkalinise things.
Brown basmatic rice, I just mix in a bit of green pesto sauce. Done. You could for that matter use any pasta sauce and pretend that it's a risotto, just watch the sugar content.
You mention vanilla yoghurt, plain plain yoghurt is another winner. No flavourings, no added sugar, nothing. A small bowl of that, it's got carbs, protein, etc... in the right ratio, great snack, good snack before and/or after exercise, throw in a bit of sliced fruit if you can't stomach it on its own, but really it only takes a week or two to kill a sugar addiction if you go full out. I used to eat fully sugared up highly flavoured yoghurt, now I'm only eating completely plain yoghurt and thoroughly enjoying it.
Eat smaller meals, but more often (i see like a six-hour-gap in your food diary, that's something you wanna avoid), do high intensity interval training (or tabata intervals or whatever) to jack up your metabolism, eat lots of fruit, lots of raw/lightly steamed veg, with a preference from fibrous veg like broccoli and leafy veg and stuff, snack on raw carrots, nuts and seeds, and drink plenty water. Uh huh.
If I could recommend a book, it would be Patrick Holford's "The Holford Low GL Diet". You've only got 5 pounds to lose so, anyway, shouldn't be long.

EDIT: Oh yeah, you can get vegetable sources of protein too, like lentils and quinoa... and of course take a multivitamin and multimineral, lol. Just to round things off.

Very informative and helpful. There are a lot of great pointers I'm going to using. Thanks

[WarDog]

Heating fat to a high degree will breakdown and change it's fatty acid profile. So yes, the yolk could theoretically change.

You'd have to have a hell of an heat source though. Saturated fats are VERY stable. It would burn before it would change into "bad" fat.
Agreeing with the above, let me continue.

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Look under Rule 10, choose boiled eggs instead of fried eggs, etc...
I mean, it's not like the above site is the ultimate authority on fitness and nutrition :D, just saying that there's a general opinion in athletic circles that boiled eggs are preferable. Whenever an athlete does an overnight transformation, people generally ask "Jeez, what's he been doing?", the answer is typically "Creatine and a dozen boiled eggs for breakfast". 9 times out of 10, they say 'boiled'.

Frying is pretty high temperature, produces free radicals and carcinogenic substances like acrylamide, and would destroy the fat (ie, turn it bad) a great deal more than boiling. When you have a high intake of toxins/anti-nutrients/bad fats etc..., if your body is unable to dispose of them immediately (either metabolising them or excreting them), it stores them in your body fat, if they don't stick to your arteries or become lodged in your brain first. Kinda like a quarantine. When you try and shift the fat, your body says "no ways, you crazy", which is often why a detox regimen of steamrooms and saltbaths is required to get rid of the last couple pounds.

I'm quite keen on keeping the choline and lecithin etc.. nice and intact. Granted, if you cook the sh-t outta something, it doesn't matter how you do it. If you're gonna have 3-5 eggs a week, go ahead and fry the bastards. But if you're having 3-5 a day, boil 'em.

And as for microwaving, it just destroys good fats like it's nobody's business. For example, if you wanted to add a can of tuna to your pasta, heat the pasta up first, and THEN add the tuna, and serve, instead of nuking your precious omega's. It's fine, though, for cooking oats and stuff, since oats aren't exactly a critical source of good fats etc..

Microwaving also destroys the vast majority of enzymes that are already present in the food you eat, and which are intended to help you digest it, so I'd prefer steaming veg in a conventional steamer instead of in the microwave, but a microwave IS much quicker and often less hassle, vitamin retention is very good, so you gotta weigh up the goods with the bads.