Marciano's amatuer record

[fists of fury]

What was his amatuer record? I have sources that all disagree. Some list it as 40-5, others list it as 8-4 and another source lists it as 11-3.

I have googled it as well but have come up with nothing conclusive. Any help is appreciated.

[Bummy Davis]

[quote=JLC]Rocky Marciano`s brother used these Alias names when fighting Rocky :
Lee Epperson...
John Edwards..
Jimmy Weeks...
Jerry Jackson..
Bill Hardman...
Gilbet Cardone..
Gilley Ferron..[/quot


His Brother fought in Exibtions with him, NEVER in a pro fight, the Exibitions were like a sparring match road show and everyone knew it was his brother

[fists of fury]

Which brother was this exactly???

Also, Rocky mostly fought in Providence in the first half of his career. Don't you think someone would have noticed him fighting the same guy again and again?

Don't just say "read his autobiography." You're the one saying he basically fixed his fights, so you prove it.

(This should be fun.)

[Dempsey1238]

Rocky Marciano`s brother used these Alias names when fighting Rocky :
Lee Epperson...
John Edwards..
Jimmy Weeks...
Jerry Jackson..
Bill Hardman...
Gilbet Cardone..
Gilley Ferron..

I pretty sure Epperson was not the Rock's brother. After Rocky knock him out, he became a painter.

Jackson was pretty late in the Rock's unbeating run. As said before, Rock's brother would only spar in ex's. He would spar under the code name Zomo, or G4. Dont know what they mean.

[Dempsey1238]

Also Peter Marciano said, that apound seeing him, Evey one KNEW he was the Rock's brother because they look so much a like in these Ex's.

[OLD FOGEY]

Rocky Marciano`s brother used these Alias names when fighting Rocky :
Lee Epperson...
John Edwards..
Jimmy Weeks...
Jerry Jackson..
Bill Hardman...
Gilbet Cardone..
Gilley Ferron..

You are crazy. I don't know if this is a joke. Epperson was a well-known amateur fighting in his hometown. Jerry Jackson's right name was Humphrey Pennyworth and he was 6' 4" and 254 pounds. Marciano's brother must have been quite a guy, passing himself off as weighing anywhere from the 170's to the 250's, shifting from under 6" to 6'4, as either black or white as the occasion demanded, and wearing good enough disguises to keep the customers happy and paying for tickets to watch the same two guys fight. Sort of one of those masters of disguises they had in old time serials.

Both Boxing Illustrated and Ring Magazine did complete rundowns of Marciano's record, fight by fight, back in the 1980's and 1990's.
The brother thing came from exhibitions Marciano fought in 1952 when a top man. His brother fought under the name Peter Fuller who was an amateur boxer and a member of a family well known in Massachusetts politics, but all these fights were exhibitions. By the way, Patterson also fought his brother in exhibitions.

[Dempsey1238]

We ALL know he was beating in the amateurs. But as a pro he went undfeated. Even the biggest Marciano critic of them all Nat did research on the Rock's record shortly after he retire to find out if he was RELLY unbeating as a pro. Turns out all the defeats took place in the amateures.

[OLD FOGEY]

i dont need to prove anything, i have read Marciano`s autobiography and also Al Weill`s comments in A.J.Lieblings "Sweet Science"... Marciano himself fought under an alias name "Rocky Mac"... he was infact beaten TWICE as a pro... in the amateurs he was beaten by Coley Wallace who later was a film producer, he was also beaten by Bob Girard in the amateur ranks... Rocky`s amateur record was 12-4

I have read his autobiography. He didn't say anything like this. If he had, it would have been quoted endlessly since, plus why didn't Nat Fleischer correct Rocky's record in the yearly Ring Record books?
Marciano fought under the name Rocky Mack. Coley Wallace played Joe Louis in the movie "The Joe Louis Story". He was a very well known amateur and pro boxer, ranked #4 at one time.
Marciano was never beaten as a pro and your amateur data is known to everyone. I have read "The Sweet Science" also and don't recall your info in it.

[Imira]

Also, Rocky mostly fought in Providence in the first half of his career. Don't you think someone would have noticed him fighting the same guy again and again?



:lol: The crowd didn't notice because they didn't want to!! They were part of the whole undefeated conspiracy!

[Marciano Frazier]

Rocky Marciano`s brother used these Alias names when fighting Rocky :
Lee Epperson...
John Edwards..
Jimmy Weeks...
Jerry Jackson..
Bill Hardman...
Gilbet Cardone..
Gilley Ferron.. Um, no, those guys were all real fighters who looked much different, were different sizes and styles, and had different records.

Marciano fought Jimmy Weeks on 8-30-48, and Weeks weighed in 190. The Jerry Jackson fight was two weeks later in the same stadium, and Jackson weighed in at 254. Then, one week later, he knocked out Bill Hardeman, who weighed in at 206. 10 days after that was the Gilbert Cardione knockout. According to you, those were all the same guy! Do you think Marciano's brother was knocked out in one round as Weeks, gained 64 pounds and 4" in two weeks to be knocked out in one round as Jackson, lost 48 pounds in one week to be knocked out yet again as Hardeman, and then dropped another 17 pounds in 10 days to be knocked out for 10 minutes as Cardione?? Moreover, three of these fights were in the exact same stadium in a three-week period- don't you think the fans would have said, "Hey, wait a minute- didn't he knock that same guy out a week ago? And wasn't his name Jerry Jackson then?":lol: :lol:

[Marciano Frazier]

What was his amatuer record? I have sources that all disagree. Some list it as 40-5, others list it as 8-4 and another source lists it as 11-3.

I have googled it as well but have come up with nothing conclusive. Any help is appreciated. The most reliable figure I've seen was 8-4, as that consists of actual fights, although I've also seen 27-4(24 KO's).

[ChrisPontius]

i dont need to prove anything, i have read Marciano`s autobiography and also Al Weill`s comments in A.J.Lieblings "Sweet Science"... Marciano himself fought under an alias name "Rocky Mac"... he was infact beaten TWICE as a pro... in the amateurs he was beaten by Coley Wallace who later was a film producer, he was also beaten by Bob Girard in the amateur ranks... Rocky`s amateur record was 12-4

Please... not again this crap.... :dead


Jealousy can really make people desperate.

[Sam Dixon]

The brother thing came from exhibitions Marciano fought in 1952 when a top man. His brother fought under the name Peter Fuller who was an amateur boxer and a member of a family well known in Massachusetts politics, but all these fights were exhibitions.

True.

Skeehan's bio on Marciano talks about these exhibitions with Sonny and can be found in the chapter entitled, "Brothers and Enemies" that starts on page 182 of the book.

[Mendoza]

True.

Skeehan's bio on Marciano talks about these exhibitions with Sonny and can be found in the chapter entitled, "Brothers and Enemies" that starts on page 182 of the book.

Do you recomend the book? When did Skeehan write it?

[Sam Dixon]

Do you recomend the book? When did Skeehan write it?

I'd actually highly recommend it, my friend, if you can track it down, as it's truthfully one of the better and more detailed boxing bios I've ever read.

It was written in 1977.

[Bummy Davis]

Please... not again this crap.... :dead


Jealousy can really make people desperate.


I was about to say the same thing, Imagine people wasting there time with Jealousy

[The Kurgan]

I wouldn't be too surprised at JLC's ignorance. This is the same guy who made about 10 incorrect predictions about Ricky Hatton's next opponent, usually because he misread an article. As it turned out, Hatton has agreed to fight the number one boxer in the sport. Methinks JLC has an issue with white swarmers with undefeated records.

[Marciano Frazier]

Do you recomend the book? When did Skeehan write it? The original was "Biography of a First Son," published in 1972, and he published an updated version titled "Undefeated: The Fighter Who Refused To Lose" with some additional letters and chapters from people who knew Rocky in 2005.

[Sam Dixon]

The original was "Biography of a First Son," published in 1972

So it was written that early, was it?

Well yeah, that does make sense since the book does end off with Skehan talking about the then-recent computer fight with Ali.

My copy had the 1977 copyright date listed in it so I just went with that.

[itliangladiator]

I've read the biography Undefeated. It was 8-4. And yes, I'm sure. That whole thing with his brother using different names were exhibitions...they didn't account for his amateur or pro records.

[Marciano Frazier]

So it was written that early, was it?

Well yeah, that does make sense since the book does end off with Skehan talking about the then-recent computer fight with Ali.

My copy had the 1977 copyright date listed in it so I just went with that. I didn't check before I posted- my mind could be foggy on this one, but I thought it was 1972. 1977 might be right, though.

[Marciano Frazier]

Go To:- TIME TUNNEL --Did Rocky Marciano lose a pro fight under a differant name .........here on ESB Umm, that article agrees with our point of view, just like every other source you've bizarrely cited in support of your own.

[Dempsey1238]

Its gone I belive. I must of miss it.

[fists of fury]

Thanks for the replies people. So 8-4 it is then.

[Ted Stickles]

Rocky Marciano`s brother used these Alias names when fighting Rocky :
Lee Epperson...
John Edwards..
Jimmy Weeks...
Jerry Jackson..
Bill Hardman...
Gilbet Cardone..
Gilley Ferron..

Not true!!! Im friends with his brother Lou and Lou told me that he boxed with Rocky only for exibition shows while Rocky was a pro when someone couldnt be lined up........Rocky's amateur fight career was i believe only 11 or 12 fights total......

[Icemmann]

Go To:- TIME TUNNEL --Did Rocky Marciano lose a pro fight under a differant name .........here on ESB


Nope, he never lost a professional prize fight.

[RockyJim]

JLC is a moron!! Rocky fought his brother Peter in a series of exhibitions up in the state of Maine in early 1952.The Rock was supposed to box against Fuller..but Fuller wanted to protect his amateur status....and he dropped out. Not wanting to pass on the trip to Maine,The Rock's brother Peter substituted
for Fuller.....using Fuller's name and he also went by the name of Zullo...but as Peter has said..the people MUST have known that they were related...because they looked so much alike!

[Sizzle]

No, JLC is right.

Marciano's brother also doubled as the fighters known to us as,
Jersey Joe Walcott
Ezzard Charles
Archie Moore

So he defeated his brother for the World title and defended it against him also.

I believe this taints his legacy.

[Dempsey1238]

Boy he sure went thought a LOT of make up on film to look like 3 differnt people.

[Marciano Frazier]

No, JLC is right.

Marciano's brother also doubled as the fighters known to us as,
Jersey Joe Walcott
Ezzard Charles
Archie Moore

So he defeated his brother for the World title and defended it against him also.

I believe this taints his legacy. So Marciano's brother even fought himself seven times in order to make these aliases look more authentic!!! I'm telling you, Sonny may deserve to be more famous than his brother!

[fists of fury]

So Marciano's brother even fought himself seven times in order to make these aliases look more authentic!!! I'm telling you, Sonny may deserve to be more famous than his brother!

:rofl :rofl

[fists of fury]

By the way, here is a link that deals with Marciano's amateur record.

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