Do you guys really think Anthony couldn't have taken Kelly Down last night?

[BoxingTrashTalk]

I just though Kelly looked lethargic. Slow. And flat.

[Marcus]

no chance, B-Hop is a great all time fighter, Mundine is a joke compared to him.

[Dr Gonzo]

at 170, and last night especially, B-Hop would have beaten Mundine.

[BoxingKangaroo]

no

[pecks]

Mundine could outbox Pavlik, but from the last few fights I've seen of his, he presents himself to be hit, and this would be terrible for him against Pavlik. He could very well get hurt, then get on his bike for the rest of the fight.

[Dr Gonzo]

its all his own fault to, if he had sought out fighting decent guys and built up a decent resume then the experience he gained may have let him beat these guys

but the long list of fijian council workers and argie tomato cans wont give you the skills to get even close to b-hop

[Sox]

Hell no.
Where does this stuff come from?

It was Hopkins who made Pavlik look bad. Mundine ain't no Hopkins.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

I think it was all Hopkins lateral movement. I mean thats what made Pavlik looked so tight.

Anthony does possess that lateral movement. Im talking about Kelly by the way, not B-Hop.

Kind of reminded me of Mundine vs Green. One guy with lateral movement. The other with no lateral movement, so the other guy looks like a robot.

[Marcus]

maybe the extra weight slowed pav down, but to think Mundine could replicate what b hop did is crazy.

boxing trash talk, are u goin to bring everything back to mundine?

i mean come on, look who he is fightin again, dont u get pissed he is wasting his prime.

[Bentchassis]

I think it was all Hopkins lateral movement. I mean thats what made Pavlik looked so tight.

Anthony does possess that lateral movement. Im talking about Kelly by the way, not B-Hop.

Kind of reminded me of Mundine vs Green. One guy with lateral movement. The other with no lateral movement, so the other guy looks like a robot.
Was more than that mate. Mundine would look good at times with his speed and angles but unlike Hopkins he gives guys like Pavlik a chance with his space. Watch the Kessler fight, Mundine is elusive but doesn't nullify his opponent like Hopkins does. Hopkins attacks and clinches and at 170 is strong enough to lock you in. Mundine would prefer to sneek in & out and use his speed and movement, giving guys like Pavlik and kessler way more opportunities to attack than does the the cagey Hopkins. The chances of Mundine waring out Pavlik like Nard did are a lot less and would make the difference in the result imo.

[roscoe]

I wish people would stop throwing mundines up there with the elite. He simply is not on the same level. Pavlik would destroy mandy.

[Hmmm]

Yeah to be honest I think Mundine would have beaten yesterday's Pavlik. When I watched the fight and saw Bhops defense and movement I sometimes saw glimpses of similarity to Mundines defense. Of course Mundine would not execute it with such perfection so the results would have probably been a closer UD but Ive never rated Pavlik that highly and yesterday only backed up my orginal thoughts of the guy.

[the beaver]

Anyway take the 2 Taylor fights out of his resume (BTW Taylor could have won both at some stages in the fights) and Pavlik hasn't really beaten anyone of serious note, ok he's only 26 but soon as he stepped up he got exposed. Kessler wld murder Pavlik after that performance last night.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Yeah to be honest I think Mundine would have beaten yesterday's Pavlik. When I watched the fight and saw Bhops defense and movement I sometimes saw glimpses of similarity to Mundines defense. Of course Mundine would not execute it with such perfection so the results would have probably been a closer UD but Ive never rated Pavlik that highly and yesterday only backed up my orginal thoughts of the guy.

Yeh. I know everyones annoyed at his opponets etc etc. But hes not as far away from all these guys as everyone thinks. Obviously i take no notice of the arguments, he got hit more against Hamden, Soliman (he let them, they can't hurt him).

I would be intrigued to see how this battle would unfold.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Was more than that mate. Mundine would look good at times with his speed and angles but unlike Hopkins he gives guys like Pavlik a chance with his space. Watch the Kessler fight, Mundine is elusive but doesn't nullify his opponent like Hopkins does. Hopkins attacks and clinches and at 170 is strong enough to lock you in. Mundine would prefer to sneek in & out and use his speed and movement, giving guys like Pavlik and kessler way more opportunities to attack than does the the cagey Hopkins. The chances of Mundine waring out Pavlik like Nard did are a lot less and would make the difference in the result imo.

Pavlik seemed a lot more robotic then Danny Green ever was yesterday. Would be interesting to see who would have won that match up aswell.

I give credit to Hopkins, Jermain Taylor, Winky Wright. To me, they are 3 top guns from MW to LHW.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

maybe the extra weight slowed pav down, but to think Mundine could replicate what b hop did is crazy.

boxing trash talk, are u goin to bring everything back to mundine?

i mean come on, look who he is fightin again, dont u get pissed he is wasting his prime.

Hes not exactly wasting his prime. Everything is gearing up for a late run. (Even though others continue to bring in hes ageing. Im adament hes not ageing and he will likely fight to 37/38).A big late run. News is coming in, Sturm will be next. Lets see how this one plays out.

[WhataRock]

I like Kelly but people just went crazy with the hyping.

I was always ye of little faith when it came to Pavlik. I picked Miranda to beat him because i didnt know about his chin..he proved me wrong. I picked Taylor to beat him because I didnt think he could make that next step up...he proved me wrong but showed flaws. I still thought the Taylor rematch was a 50-50 fight which it pretty much ended up being because Kelly just got past him.

Thats the whole point we like Kelly because he has flaws that makes him fun to watch. At some point he was going to run into a fighter who could do that to him, I didnt think Hopkins could because of his age and recent form but he certainly turned back the clock.

Ive always maintained that if Mundine could keep his strength, speed and reflexes at middle he would be a serious test for Pavlik. This fight doesnt really change my opinion or increase Mundine's chances..Nard is a totally different fighter who is better in almost every way. The way he dominated Kelly on the inside and in the clinch Choc could not do.
I still say Kelly would beat out a decision over Choc after some tough moments...he would just be a little to strong and fearsome for Choc to really open up, I think it would put Choc into a Siaca-fight like shell whilst Kelly just went to work.

[Rise Above]

Not many people look good when they fight Hopkins. I would give Mundine a chance but its more likely that Pavlik wins it imo.

[teke]

Yes and Mundine aint the only one that could have beaten him.

I have stated this on a million occasions.

[makkat]

Mundine would of stood in front of Pavlik and froze in fear.
Pavlik fought Hopkins for money,pure and simple.He couldn't lose,a loss on his record means nothing but a more $$$ in the Bank means a lot.

Now he can fight whoever he wants at 160 and if Mundine gets offered,Mundine will refuse.

Anyone seen Mundine fight at 160 yet?

[teke]

Mundine hasnt fought at 160 and he will struggle bigtime to get down there.

A Sturm fight is looking more likely as the days go by, would not be surprised to see Team Boxa trying to fight him at a catch weight :lol:

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Mundine hasnt fought at 160 and he will struggle bigtime to get down there.

A Sturm fight is looking more likely as the days go by, would not be surprised to see Team Boxa trying to fight him at a catch weight :lol:

Actually hes been walking around below the Middleweight limit for some time now.

[WhataRock]

Actually hes been walking around below the Middleweight limit for some time now.

So he should fight at 154 right?

Why would he be walking around below fight weight weeks out from a fight? That really almost never happens.

Really if it was that easy..he would have done it by now.

[Maxime]

Mundine is no where near close to Hopkins.

In fact. He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.

I'm sorry! :D

[BoxingTrashTalk]

So he should fight at 154 right?

Why would he be walking around below fight weight weeks out from a fight? That really almost never happens.

Really if it was that easy..he would have done it by now.

Obviously he doesn't want to have to strain his body to make it in the last 2-3 days before weigh in.

[WhataRock]

Obviously he doesn't want to have to strain his body to make it in the last 2-3 days before weigh in.

But potentially he is going to peak early if he has put in all the effort to make weight this far out from a fight.

Its very unorthodox for someone to do that.

Hope it isnt bad for him gav.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

But potentially he is going to peak early if he has put in all the effort to make weight this far out from a fight.

Its very unorthodox for someone to do that.

Hope it isnt bad for him gav.


Can you stop calling me Gav.

Shit.

[Hmmm]

:hi: hey there gav :smooch

[Kegsy]

Gav, why has not weighed under 160 yet if he walks around at that weight??

[pecks]

Obviously i take no notice of the arguments, he got hit more against Hamden, Soliman (he let them, they can't hurt him).

I would be intrigued to see how this battle would unfold.Thats just ridiculous mate.
Mundine isn't the type of fighter who likes to get hit, nor is he the kind that will take a punch in order to land one. I don't believe for one second that Mundine let these guys hit him.

I suppose you believe he let Kim knock him down so that he could work on his 'getting up off the canvas' technique?

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Thats just ridiculous mate.
Mundine isn't the type of fighter who likes to get hit, nor is he the kind that will take a punch in order to land one. I don't believe for one second that Mundine let these guys hit him.

I suppose you believe he let Kim knock him down so that he could work on his 'getting up off the canvas' technique?

No Kims was genuine. He could have stopped Hamden early. Soliman he went in there for the kill with the wrong game plan.

[boxon123]

What is Mundine record like against people taller than Him Manny Siaca height 6′ 1″
reach 78“ Mikkel Kessler height 6′ 1″
reach 73“ Kelly Pavlik 6′ 2½″
reach 75“ Bernard Hopkins height 6′ 1″
reach 75“ any pattern here

[daz52]

I just though Kelly looked lethargic. Slow. And flat.


On the money.... Take nothing away from Bernard but Kelly looked shit at that weight... He doesnt even look good at 164... On Sundays performance Mundine will win a SD maybe UD... Against THAT Kelly...

But Mundine is going down to middleweight isnt he? So he will be fighting the Pavlik that fought Jermain the first time, Miranda and Lockett... A killer basically... I fear that Choc cannot regain the form he had against Danny Green and Soliman II... If he can take that to a Pavlik fight at middle he has a chance... But the way he has looked lately i must say i see Pavlik KOing Mundine to tell the truth

[Francis75]

Actually hes been walking around below the Middleweight limit for some time now.

This comment proves you are a f#cking idiot. You say Mundine walks around at less than middle but fights above middle ? If he walks around at less than middle as you say then he should be able to make 154. You are probably also one of those idiots who believe Oscar walks around at 147. Geeezzz

[ashley]

On the money.... Take nothing away from Bernard but Kelly looked shit at that weight... He doesnt even look good at 164... On Sundays performance Mundine will win a SD maybe UD... Against THAT Kelly...

But Mundine is going down to middleweight isnt he? So he will be fighting the Pavlik that fought Jermain the first time, Miranda and Lockett... A killer basically... I fear that Choc cannot regain the form he had against Danny Green and Soliman II... If he can take that to a Pavlik fight at middle he has a chance... But the way he has looked lately i must say i see Pavlik KOing Mundine to tell the truth

I am going to sit on the fence with Daz52.....I think if Mundine is at his best VS the flat Pavlik on Sunday...Mundine may just out point him....however I think Pavlik will beat Mundine :huh

So what I am saying is boxing is very hard to pick....who would have thought BHOP would win every round of the fight?.....or at least 9 of them.

[Marcus]

im surprised how good hopkins is, its clear he is a level above most world champs.

isnt Taylor vs Lacy for a 168 title? would Nard want that chance to beat Taylor and pick up another weight class title?

yeah as if mandy walks around under 160, stupid call trash talk, u are talkin shit bro.

Anyway, teke, Pavlik is a good champ, dont give up on him at 160, but he needs to fight Sturm and his bels #1 before he oes after AA.

i dont want him to fight AA next

[JOSEY WALES]

Please stop trying to sell Mundine off as still being world class because he ain't mate , the level @ which he been fighting recently will without doubt come back to bite him in the arse when he steps up to World class , Strum is no joke mate he is a very under estimated you should concentrate on beating him or Sylvester first before you match him up with teh likes of Pavlik , AA , Hopkins , Bute , Froch , Pascal ,Inkin etc Oh BTW don't even mention Calzaghe as we all know Mandy just throws that name out there on aussie TV to convince the gullible that Calzaghe is ducking him , Mundine is two levels behind that fella , he was just one level but his recent dance card has seen drop a level ...Welcome back Gav :bbb

[JOSEY WALES]

im surprised how good hopkins is, its clear he is a level above most world champs.

isnt Taylor vs Lacy for a 168 title? would Nard want that chance to beat Taylor and pick up another weight class title?

yeah as if mandy walks around under 160, stupid call trash talk, u are talkin shit bro.

Anyway, teke, Pavlik is a good champ, dont give up on him at 160, but he needs to fight Sturm and his bels #1 before he oes after AA.

i dont want him to fight AA next Ah Grasshopper , you speak a lot of sense , Pavlik should pip Mandy to a unification fight first to see just how much the Hopkins fight took out of him , then he should fight AA , if he fights AA next then he is a complete MUG , I respect what Pavlik tried to achive . attempting greatness deserves reward Grasshopper , same as Kessler he should be fast tracked after he lost to Calzaghe , these two dared to be great and this should be recognised by the ABC's with them having a chance of redemption ...

[daz52]

im surprised how good hopkins is, its clear he is a level above most world champs.

isnt Taylor vs Lacy for a 168 title? would Nard want that chance to beat Taylor and pick up another weight class title?

yeah as if mandy walks around under 160, stupid call trash talk, u are talkin shit bro.

Anyway, teke, Pavlik is a good champ, dont give up on him at 160, but he needs to fight Sturm and his bels #1 before he oes after AA.

i dont want him to fight AA next
Jermain Taylor Vs Jeff Lacy is an eliminator for the WBC SMW title which is vacant right now but will be fought for soon ... Froch Vs Pascal if im not mistaken....

Bob Arum said Pavlik will fight next in Feb or March against Rubio then Abraham

[Hmmm]

Abraham would destroy Pavlik IMO

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Please stop trying to sell Mundine off as still being world class because he ain't mate , the level @ which he been fighting recently will without doubt come back to bite him in the arse when he steps up to World class , Strum is no joke mate he is a very under estimated you should concentrate on beating him or Sylvester first before you match him up with teh likes of Pavlik , AA , Hopkins , Bute , Froch , Pascal ,Inkin etc Oh BTW don't even mention Calzaghe as we all know Mandy just throws that name out there on aussie TV to convince the gullible that Calzaghe is ducking him , Mundine is two levels behind that fella , he was just one level but his recent dance card has seen drop a level ...Welcome back Gav :bbb

Please guys stop calling me gav.

Bullshit. Froch, Pascal and Inkin aren't on Chocs level. You can hate him all you want mate. He will step up for the big occasions. He showed that against Green. The biggest fight in Oz history and he performed his best. Don't detract from Mundine by blaming Green for being shite.

I can't see why everyone can't support him.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Abraham would destroy Pavlik IMO

Tend to believe that now. Pavliks display on the weekend was one of the worst i have seen from a title holder. Really shocked me.

[daz52]

Please guys stop calling me gav.

Bullshit. Froch, Pascal and Inkin aren't on Chocs level. You can hate him all you want mate. He will step up for the big occasions. He showed that against Green. The biggest fight in Oz history and he performed his best. Don't detract from Mundine by blaming Green for being shite.

I can't see why everyone can't support him.

Im not saying these are my reasons but here are a few why others do not:

He talks alot of shit

He fights bums ....

Let me ask you honestly mate no bullshit i want ur opinion... Do you think Choc has slowed up a bit even in the slightest or do you believe all of his pretty sub-par performances sine March 07 were all based on the fact he didnt get up for the fights? Do you believe he can at his age with the injuries he has been through resurrect his form from nearly 2 years ago?

[daz52]

Tend to believe that now. Pavliks display on the weekend was one of the worst i have seen from a title holder. Really shocked me.


Seen Green Vs Drews?

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Seen Green Vs Drews?

Yeh Drews performance reminded me of Pavliks on saturday night.

[daz52]

Yeh Drews performance reminded me of Pavliks on saturday night.

At least Kelly attempted to win but :patsch

Got any response for my other question?

[Call me Trinity]

Please guys stop calling me gav.

Bullshit. Froch, Pascal and Inkin aren't on Chocs level. You can hate him all you want mate. He will step up for the big occasions. He showed that against Green. The biggest fight in Oz history and he performed his best. Don't detract from Mundine by blaming Green for being shite.

I can't see why everyone can't support him.

Hi Gavin :hi:

[BoxingTrashTalk]

At least Kelly attempted to win but :patsch

Got any response for my other question?

Whats that?

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Hi Gavin :hi:

Seriously mate. Im 100% honest now, im not Gav man.

[daz52]

Im not saying these are my reasons but here are a few why others do not:

He talks alot of shit

He fights bums ....

Let me ask you honestly mate no bullshit i want ur opinion... Do you think Choc has slowed up a bit even in the slightest or do you believe all of his pretty sub-par performances sine March 07 were all based on the fact he didnt get up for the fights? Do you believe he can at his age with the injuries he has been through resurrect his form from nearly 2 years ago?

That one

[Call me Trinity]

Seriously mate. Im 100% honest now, im not Gav man.

I'll just call you Mr. Stone then. :thumbsup

[BoxingTrashTalk]

That one

He tore his bicep. He also had a serious eye infection. Against Clavero he was trying to make him stay around, Clavero didn't oblige. Against Nievas, he fought well, got stunned in the 5th. Against Hamden same thing.

If Anthony wanted those fighters out of there, he would have done it. Against Kim, that was one solid chinned fighter, who packed a punch like a horse. Sure he was slow. But he would have given a lot of good fighters trouble out there. Could have beaten a Manfredo, or hurt Bika.

Honestyly, right now if Anthony was to get a big fight. You would notice a big difference. 1 in strategy. A little more defensive, but not like the old days, offensive enough to win the fights. 2 Concentration, (his chin will not falter).

So i think while he hasn't shown his best over the 24 months. Its in his hands. And hes definetely capable of turning up a big performance on a big fight.

2 things he needs. Good sparring and the right mentality. He gets both of them with a big fight. (Sturm).

[BoxingTrashTalk]

I'll just call you Mr. Stone then. :thumbsup

Got no idea what your on about mate. Honestly. Confused.

[oztriker]

Tend to believe that now. Pavliks display on the weekend was one of the worst i have seen from a title holder. Really shocked me.

I guess you musta missed Mundine's effort against Siaca...:patsch


Hey...I forgot...It wasn't a real Title that he lost...:yep

[daz52]

Thanks for the response... I respectfully disagree

I think while he could be better than his last performances i believe the days of Green and Soliman are gone... Reason why

Age
Lack of quality opposition
Very bad injuries that take their toll

Dont forget he played footy at the highest level too his body has been through alot... I hope im wrong though because i would love to see any Aussie get up and beat a Pavlik or a Calzaghe

[BoxingTrashTalk]

I guess you musta missed Mundine's effort against Siaca...:patsch


Hey...I forgot...It wasn't a real Title that he lost...:yep

We can get into the title discussions mate. You will be right in the end.

But fact of the matter is, if you think the guy who got in the ring with Siaca is the same guy in the ring now? Then theres no point me saying anything, because that is massively incorrect.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Thanks for the response... I respectfully disagree

I think while he could be better than his last performances i believe the days of Green and Soliman are gone... Reason why

Age
Lack of quality opposition
Very bad injuries that take their toll

Dont forget he played footy at the highest level too his body has been through alot... I hope im wrong though because i would love to see any Aussie get up and beat a Pavlik or a Calzaghe

Everything can change in 1 camp, across 2 fights.

[oztriker]

Please guys stop calling me gav.


WHY?..... That's your name...so what's your prob?


Despite you having discovered "Spellcheck".... You still make exactly the same spelling/grammar mistakes as Gav does that Spellcheck doesn't pick up...:yep

[BoxingTrashTalk]

WHY?..... That's your name...so what's your prob?


Despite you having discovered "Spellcheck".... You still make exactly the same spelling/grammar mistakes as Gav does that Spellcheck doesn't pick up...:yep

Really dude. Im not Gav. I can say it 100 times.:patsch

[oztriker]

We can get into the title discussions mate. You will be right in the end.

But fact of the matter is, if you think the guy who got in the ring with Siaca is the same guy in the ring now? Then theres no point me saying anything, because that is massively incorrect.

Yep...I agree.... He has taken several steps backwards since then...:yep

[pecks]

Mundine has definitely disadvantaged himself by not stepping it up. The learning experiences he'd have had alone is something that no amount of gym time can give you.

Imo, the boat has passed for him to achieve what he could have. He could still beat Sturm though, if he lands the fight.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Yep...I agree.... He has taken several steps backwards since then...:yep

Can't see the difference between a guy who could only throw a straight left, straight right and hooks.

To a guy who can throw 4-6 punch combinations, have a shell like defence, and serious skills on the inside?

:patsch

[daz52]

So you tell me whats going on?

Mundine fights this bum in Nov at like 1 or 2 pounds above the MW divison at Liverpool because he cannot sell out a real arena?

Then what is it absolute he fights for the WBA MW title ... In Aus? In Germany if Sturm wins? In Germany again if Sylvester wins?

If he beats the winner and gets the belt does he defend against no ones like he did with the SMW belt? Fight Geale?

[oztriker]

Can't see the difference between a guy who could only throw a straight left, straight right and hooks.

To a guy who can throw 4-6 punch combinations, have a shell like defence, and serious skills on the inside?

:patsch

YEAH... Those skills were really evident against Kim....:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[BoxingTrashTalk]

So you tell me whats going on?

Mundine fights this bum in Nov at like 1 or 2 pounds above the MW divison at Liverpool because he cannot sell out a real arena?

Then what is it absolute he fights for the WBA MW title ... In Aus? In Germany if Sturm wins? In Germany again if Sylvester wins?

If he beats the winner and gets the belt does he defend against no ones like he did with the SMH belt? Fight Geale?

Yeh. November. I presume the change of venues is for lower costs.

If the opportunity to fight Sturm was November im sure the fight would be on then.

Now everything from now has to do with GBP. Which are going to back Choc heavily. ( A lot more confidence then you lads have in him).

3 Scenarios Here.

1. Geale January. Sturm June/July (GBP) - US) - Could be Germany). September/November (Espino type fighter).

2. Sturm May. (Takes Anthony as a voluntary. Which early indications are showing). Then Espino type fighter.

3. Sturm, Bika.

If any of you read the SMW, you would know Khoder offered Sakio 200 K. As quoted on ESPN. Manfredo offered 100K.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

YEAH... Those skills were really evident against Kim....:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Did you not see the fight? Highly one sided. Mundines full attacking combinations on display.

Probably his best performance since Soliman 2.

[oztriker]

Did you not see the fight? Highly one sided. Mundines full attacking combinations on display.

Probably his best performance since Soliman 2.

Did you not see the Siaca fight?:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


How many shots at a Title did Siaca have before he finally found someone he could beat???....5....6.... or 7....I forget...:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Did you not see the Siaca fight?:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


How many shots at a Title did Siaca have before he finally found someone he could beat???....5....6.... or 7....I forget...:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Im not here to have an argument.

I stick by the firm belief that Choc is close to his potential right now. And it has taken a long time, because he has had no amateur experience. On his day he can cause any fighter in the world trouble.

Your comparing Mundine in Siaca? To Mundine now? You must be silly.

Anyway thats about it. I think i have said everything.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Did you not see the Siaca fight?:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


How many shots at a Title did Siaca have before he finally found someone he could beat???....5....6.... or 7....I forget...:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Im not here to have an argument.

I stick by the firm belief that Choc is close to his potential right now. And it has taken a long time, because he has had no amateur experience. On his day he can cause any fighter in the world trouble.

Your comparing Mundine in Siaca? To Mundine now? You must be silly.

Anyway thats about it. I think i have said everything.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Did you not see the Siaca fight?:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


How many shots at a Title did Siaca have before he finally found someone he could beat???....5....6.... or 7....I forget...:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Im not here to have an argument.

I stick by the firm belief that Choc is close to his potential right now. And it has taken a long time, because he has had no amateur experience. On his day he can cause any fighter in the world trouble.

Your comparing Mundine in Siaca? To Mundine now? You must be silly.

Anyway thats about it. I think i have said everything.

[VIP]

He could have possibly beaten Pavlik. But yea...Hopkins is on a whole different level all together. It was a master class performance worthy for the ages.

[lefty]

I just though Kelly looked lethargic. Slow. And flat.

When has he looked different than that? He'd still find Mundine and beat him down.

[lefty]

Seriously mate. Im 100% honest now, im not Gav man.

Maybe not, but i'm being 100% honest when i say you're a retarded fucktard.

[oztriker]

Maybe not, but i'm being 100% honest when i say you're a retarded fucktard.

Couldn't agree more....:good


And he is fucking Gav.... No idea why he bothers to protest...:patsch

[oztriker]

Im not here to have an argument.

I stick by the firm belief that Choc is close to his potential right now. And it has taken a long time, because he has had no amateur experience. On his day he can cause any fighter in the world trouble.

Your comparing Mundine in Siaca? To Mundine now? You must be silly.

Anyway thats about it. I think i have said everything.

BLOODY HELL!:patsch

3 Posts the same....

Gav.... Have you got Parkinsons?:roll:

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Maybe not, but i'm being 100% honest when i say you're a retarded fucktard.

Why is that? Well im not going to post on here. I was shocked with what i came across. A bunch of haters. Can't do anything right if your in Australian boxing. Dib fights the best, but gets put down for having a go. Choc doesn't fight the best, and gets put down.

Kind of a two edged sword?

Bunch of children around here.

Laterz.

[oztriker]

Why is that? Well im not going to post on here. I was shocked with what i came across. A bunch of haters. Can't do anything right if your in Australian boxing. Dib fights the best, but gets put down for having a go. Choc doesn't fight the best, and gets put down.

Kind of a two edged sword?

Bunch of children around here.

Laterz.

DAMMIT.....I'm broken fucking hearted... I won't be able to sleep tonight...:lol:

[JOSEY WALES]

Please guys stop calling me gav.

Bullshit. Froch, Pascal and Inkin aren't on Chocs level. You can hate him all you want mate. He will step up for the big occasions. He showed that against Green. The biggest fight in Oz history and he performed his best. Don't detract from Mundine by blaming Green for being shite.

I can't see why everyone can't support him. Dance around it all you like fella but Mundine has in the eyes of world boxing fans slipped a level below the likes of Froch , Pascal & Inkin . at least these guys are attempting to fight guys on their own level ie World class first tier , this is the way i see things ( Just my personal thoughts so don't go postal ) :good

Top Tier .. Elite ...

1 Joe Calzaghe ( GB)
2 Mikkel Kessler (Denmark )
2 Lucian Bute ( Romania )

....................................

World Class ( first tier ) ....

1 L Andrade ( Mexico )
1 Carl Froch ( GB )
2 Jean Pascal ( Haiti /Canada )
3 Dennis Inkin ( Russia )
4 Sakio Bika ( Cameroon /Aus )

.....................................

World class ( second tier )

5 Anthony Mundine ( Aus )
6 Jeff Lacy ( Usa )
7 P Manfredo Jr ( Usa )
8 V Tyspko ( Ukraine )

.................................. Thats Just a quick list off
the top of my head , I have included Mundine in this list despite his claims that he is to continue @ Middle Weight . This is just the way i see the division at the moment . :good

[JOSEY WALES]

Too late , Looks like BTT has gone Postal :-(

[oztriker]

Too late , Looks like BTT has gone Postal :-(

Try to contain your disapointment:rofl

I'm Devo...:lol: :lol: :lol:

[oztriker]

Dance around it all you like fella but Mundine has in the eyes of world boxing fans slipped a level below the likes of Froch , Pascal & Inkin . at least these guys are attempting to fight guys on their own level ie World class first tier , this is the way i see things ( Just my personal thoughts so don't go postal ) :good

Top Tier .. Elite ...

1 Joe Calzaghe ( GB)
2 Mikkel Kessler (Denmark )
2 Lucian Bute ( Romania )

....................................

World Class ( first tier ) ....

1 L Andrade ( Mexico )
1 Carl Froch ( GB )
2 Jean Pascal ( Haiti /Canada )
3 Dennis Inkin ( Russia )
4 Sakio Bika ( Cameroon /Aus )

.....................................

World class ( second tier )

5 Anthony Mundine ( Aus )
6 Jeff Lacy ( Usa )
7 P Manfredo Jr ( Usa )
8 V Tyspko ( Ukraine )

.................................. Thats Just a quick list off
the top of my head , I have included Mundine in this list despite his claims that he is to continue @ Middle Weight . This is just the way i see the division at the moment . :good

Agree with most of your list...but not sure about Bika being first tier...

And if Manfredo is second tier...then the SM Division is weaker than I thought.:good

[JOSEY WALES]

Agree with most of your list...but not sure about Bika being first tier...

And if Manfredo is second tier...then the SM Division is weaker than I thought.:good Yea i had trouble putting Sakio in the second tier as as well but his willingnesss to fight for a world title three times abroad gets him in there on balls alone ,

[oztriker]

Yea i had trouble putting Sakio in the second tier as as well but his willingnesss to fight for a world title three times abroad gets him in there on balls alone ,

I take your point:good


BTW: I'm still searching for that TV programme... I know it's available.....I just have to find it.

[JOSEY WALES]

I take your point:good


BTW: I'm still searching for that TV programme... I know it's available.....I just have to find it. Oz find it , Make it your quest , you won't be dissapointed , ive just been looking at these Bmw k1200 r's on the net ,(google image it ) Fooking 7 grand ( uk ) but man what a bike , My Mrs says a grandad has no buisness riding around on one of them and the money could be spent on a "holiday of a lifetime " well for her info she's had enough holidays of a life time off me and it will be used on a "Holiday of a lifetime " ie me going around europe on a two month tour ON MY OWN , :lol: ...WORD .

[oztriker]

Oz find it , Make it your quest , you won't be dissapointed , ive just been looking at these Bmw k1200 r's on the net ,(google image it ) Fooking 7 grand ( uk ) but man what a bike , My Mrs says a grandad has no buisness riding around on one of them and the money could be spent on a "holiday of a lifetime " well for her info she's had enough holidays of a life time off me and it will be used on a "Holiday of a lifetime " ie me going around europe on a two month tour ON MY OWN , :lol: ...WORD .

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Josey.... I so envy you....

As Leeroy would say.... DO IT!......DO IT!!!!!:good

You are a good man Josey..... Hope to meet up when I get my arse over there next year.


Your shout:yep

PS: I will have my Trike with me...But I'll be fucked if I'm gonna be designated Rider...lol

[JOSEY WALES]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Josey.... I so envy you....

As Leeroy would say.... DO IT!......DO IT!!!!!:good

You are a good man Josey..... Hope to meet up when I get my arse over there next year.


Your shout:yep

PS: I will have my Trike with me...But I'll be fucked if I'm gonna be designated Rider...lol do it do it , rocker revenge lol

Yea if your over next year we can hook up and i will take you down to Pembroke ( Its not all coal mines here in Wales ) lol

besides WHEN i buy this Beemer my Divorce will probably be through by then LMAO :lol:

Ireland is only a two hour ferry from Pembroke i can hide out in the Republic drinking for a few years to let her cool down :deal

[oztriker]

do it do it , rocker revenge lol

Yea if your over next year we can hook up and i will take you down to Pembroke ( Its not all coal mines here in Wales ) lol

besides WHEN i buy this Beemer my Divorce will probably be through by then LMAO :lol:

Ireland is only a two hour ferry from Pembroke i can hide out in the Republic drinking for a few years to let her cool down :deal

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

So..... I won't be meeting your Missus then???lol:lol:

[JOSEY WALES]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

So..... I won't be meeting your Missus then???lol:lol: :-( I don't get off that easy , Life means life here mate :wall

[oztriker]

:-( I don't get off that easy , Life means life here mate :wall

I only got 30 years.... Must have had my sentence reduced for Good Behavior:D

[JOSEY WALES]

:lol: I find thast hard to belive mate , These trikes are they expensive to customise down under ? was that Tiger stripe one yours Oz ..And speaking of customising things , did you N'dou's Toyota Rave Rolmfo

[JOSEY WALES]

[Only registered and activated users can see links] Fancya bit of this OZ ? :good

[teke]

Dance around it all you like fella but Mundine has in the eyes of world boxing fans slipped a level below the likes of Froch , Pascal & Inkin . at least these guys are attempting to fight guys on their own level ie World class first tier , this is the way i see things ( Just my personal thoughts so don't go postal ) :good

Top Tier .. Elite ...

1 Joe Calzaghe ( GB)
2 Mikkel Kessler (Denmark )
2 Lucian Bute ( Romania )

....................................

World Class ( first tier ) ....

1 L Andrade ( Mexico )
1 Carl Froch ( GB )
2 Jean Pascal ( Haiti /Canada )
3 Dennis Inkin ( Russia )
4 Sakio Bika ( Cameroon /Aus )

.....................................

World class ( second tier )

5 Anthony Mundine ( Aus )
6 Jeff Lacy ( Usa )
7 P Manfredo Jr ( Usa )
8 V Tyspko ( Ukraine )

.................................. Thats Just a quick list off
the top of my head , I have included Mundine in this list despite his claims that he is to continue @ Middle Weight . This is just the way i see the division at the moment . :goodthats a disgusting list

[JOSEY WALES]

thats a disgusting list Ok then if you can do better the floor is all yours mate :good

[pecks]

I think Mundine would beat many ahead of him on that list but he doesnt really deserve to be rated ahead of them because he's done fuck all in the last 2 years while the others have had tough fights.

[JOSEY WALES]

I think Mundine would beat many ahead of him on that list but he doesnt really deserve to be rated ahead of them because he's done fuck all in the last 2 years while the others have had tough fights.

And that in a nutshell is my whole point , if mundine had been active v a decent standard of opponentrecently he would win . lose or draw be top teir @ # 4-5 . its his inactivitey v class that has relegated him to the level ive placed him , IM NO EXPERT by any means but this is the position many ive talked to about the fella has him at also , anyone who disagrees with this list are more than welcome to put theirs out for debate as i have done .

[pecks]

And that in a nutshell is my whole point , if mundine had been active v a decent standard of opponentrecently he would win . lose or draw be top teir @ # 4-5 . its his inactivitey v class that has relegated him to the level ive placed him , IM NO EXPERT by any means but this is the position many ive talked to about the fella has him at also , anyone who disagrees with this list are more than welcome to put theirs out for debate as i have done .I dont mind your list, though I'd have Joe and Mikkel above Bute at the moment.
Obviously Joe is above everyone, but Kessler is in his class, just not as good.

I'll give it a go...


Calzaghe
Kessler
.....................................
Bute
Andrade
Froch
(never actually seen Pascal fight yet, so don't know where to put him)
.......................................
Bika
Inkin
Lacy
Manfredo
Tsypko
.........................................


Mundine had the potential to be at the top of the middle group, and considering that this SMW list is pretty strong, it wouldn't be such a bad achievement.

I really need to see Mundine against a top 10 fighter to see just where he is at atm.

Though I'm fairly sure he'd be able to beat guys like Bika, and Inkin now.
Froch is another name I've always thought Mundine would beat, but as I said earlier, I don't really want to pick him until I see him in the ring with a decent opponent.

[pecks]

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[JOSEY WALES]

I dont mind your list, though I'd have Joe and Mikkel above Bute at the moment.
Obviously Joe is above everyone, but Kessler is in his class, just not as good.

I'll give it a go...


Calzaghe
Kessler
.....................................
Bute
Andrade
Froch
(never actually seen Pascal fight yet, so don't know where to put him)
.......................................
Bika
Inkin
Lacy
Manfredo
Tsypko
.........................................


Mundine had the potential to be at the top of the middle group, and considering that this SMW list is pretty strong, it wouldn't be such a bad achievement.

I really need to see Mundine against a top 10 fighter to see just where he is at atm.

Though I'm fairly sure he'd be able to beat guys like Bika, and Inkin now.
Froch is another name I've always thought Mundine would beat, but as I said earlier, I don't really want to pick him until I see him in the ring with a decent opponent.

Fair goes infact that in retrospect is a better one than i put up
i can certainly agree with where you would place Mandy if he were more active in the division v Quality .

Quality of opponent is important (Im a calzaghe fan and i should know as Joe fought a few less than stella opponents for a long time ) saying that when you take Pudwill and Manfredo off his resume it still ain't that bad a list , the likes of Brewer , Reid , Woodhall , Mitcheal etc were still World class level at the time . Ps Bute is there with Joe and Mikkel based on tha fact that he won a legit title and is taking on the dangerous Andrade in a defence .

[JOSEY WALES]

Chucky is gunna cover drive you over the boundary. :yep He's going Outta da ground mate :deal

[pecks]

Ps Bute is there with Joe and Mikkel based on tha fact that he won a legit title and is taking on the dangerous Andrade in a defence .I'm very interested in seeing this match up.

Here's a post I just made in the general forum regarding the fight...

I've always regarded Andrade as a sloppy, clumsy, inaccurate oaf with terrible defence, and I still believe he is all those.

However, his iron chin and ability to apply pressure will make him dangerous to guys like Bute.

I originally picked Bute to win this with a fair bit of ease, but I'm not so sure now, I'm probably still favouring him, but wouldn't be surprised if Andrade grinded him to the ground.

Bute is no Kessler imo, but this is his chance to see just how close to him that he is, although I think he wont fight like the way Kessler fought against Andrade. I think he will be on the retreat during spells of this fight.

[JOSEY WALES]

I'm very interested in seeing this match up.

Here's a post I just made in the general forum regarding the fight... Very good match up this ,Andrade will lose but there won't be a lot in it ,Bute S/D or U/D Andrade will come out of the fight with his Rep intact Peck's .

[boxon123]

There is nothing like the overconfidence of the blissfully ignorant. is there?.lol

[ashley]

My list top 10 at SMW

Kess
Taylor
Bute
Andrade
Froch
Lacy
Green
Bika
Inkin
Andre Dirrell - dark horse from the USA going to fight Vic Oganov shortly

News flash - Mundine is at MW now not SMW.

[JOSEY WALES]

My list top 10 at SMW

Kess
Taylor
Bute
Andrade
Froch
Lacy
Green
Bika
Inkin
Andre Dirrell - dark horse from the USA going to fight Vic Oganov shortly

News flash - Mundine is at MW now not SMW. Ash , We don't know yet how Jermaine Taylor is going to fly at 168lbs , and is Mandy really not a S/Middle as he aint fought at Middle yet so thats why i included him . Dirrell is making some noise but he ain't even on the world class radar currently imo he has fought or beaten anyone of note mate .

[BoxingTrashTalk]

168:

Tier 1:

Kessler

Tier 2:

Jermain Taylor
Lucian Bute

Tier 3:

Arthur Abraham
Librado Andrade
Sakio Bika
Dennis Inkin

Tier 4:
Allan Green
Carl Froch
Jean Pascal

Tier 5:
Edison Miranda


160:

Tier 1:
Kelly Pavlik

Tier 2:
Felix Sturm
Anthony Mundine

Tier 3:
John Duddy
Sebastian Sylvester
Raul Marquez

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Josey what do you think of Carl Frochs record? I mean hes fought 20 so called 'Bums'. Yet it gets overlooked because he has called out some big names over the past 6 months.

[Kegsy]

168:

Tier 1:

Kessler

Tier 2:

Jermain Taylor
Lucian Bute

Tier 3:

Arthur Abraham
Librado Andrade
Sakio Bika
Dennis Inkin

Tier 4:
Allan Green
Carl Froch
Jean Pascal

Tier 5:
Edison Miranda


160:

Tier 1:
Kelly Pavlik

Tier 2:
Felix Sturm
Anthony Mundine

Tier 3:
John Duddy
Sebastian Sylvester
Raul Marquez
I would back Edison Miranda to beat all of those Tier 4 guys at 168 pounds.:deal

[IrnBruMan]

It would appear that BoxingTrashTalk is not in fact someone in Mundine's camp, but rather, a 16 year old nuthugger with no idea :yep

[JOSEY WALES]

Josey what do you think of Carl Frochs record? I mean hes fought 20 so called 'Bums'. Yet it gets overlooked because he has called out some big names over the past 6 months. I agree his record is shit but he at least fought and sparked tatesoyan and has called out and been ducked by the guy you have at #1 top tier jermain Taylor ..:deal

[BoxingTrashTalk]

It would appear that BoxingTrashTalk is not in fact someone in Mundine's camp, but rather, a 16 year old nuthugger with no idea :yep

Not so much in his camp. I do know people that are. I attend training/sparring sessions to watch regularly. I get information a lot earlier.

The guy trains at his home gym. And has a manager. Theres practically 3 people calling the shots.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

I agree his record is shit but he at least fought and sparked tatesoyan and has called out and been ducked by the guy you have at #1 top tier jermain Taylor ..:deal

Josey i remember reading how you were making fun of Mundine saying he wanted the winner of Hopkins vs Pavlik at the De La Hoya luncheon.

Is this not the same thing?

I just see double standards mate.

Its not ducking when a guy doesn't deserve a shot. Or is not well known enough to generate interest. I do think this current, past it Jeff Lacy would do enough to beat Froch.

[JOSEY WALES]

Ps Trash Talk i was disscussing 168lbs division fighters ,Mundine is stuck between both division these days , are you really sure he is going to ever fight @ middle or was that just an excuse for ducking kessler ? whats weight is this fight v the Urugyan cabbie @ ?

[JOSEY WALES]

Josey i remember reading how you were making fun of Mundine saying he wanted the winner of Hopkins vs Pavlik at the De La Hoya luncheon.

Is this not the same thing?

I just see double standards mate.

Its not ducking when a guy doesn't deserve a shot. Or is not well known enough to generate interest. I do think this current, past it Jeff Lacy would do enough to beat Froch.

Double standards my arse , Froch deveres his title fight as he has fought decent opponents recently anbd climbed up teh ladder , mandy has fought all those Argie cabbies and wants PAvlik hopkins winner , do you realise how stupid he must have sounded ? or how dtupid ODH would have looked back home if he would have put it on ? :patsch BTW LAcy is ruined .

[Kegsy]

Ps Trash Talk i was disscussing 168lbs division fighters ,Mundine is stuck between both division these days , are you really sure he is going to ever fight @ middle or was that just an excuse for ducking kessler ? whats weight is this fight v the Urugyan cabbie @ ? Well from a close source i have been speaking to about the weights from Mundine's last fight against Crazy Kim were not accurate.
As the guy was in the camp of 2 of the Filo's on the undercard & clearly stated to me how they were 3 to 4 pounds heavier than what the scales showed.:yep

[ajay11]

I wish people would stop throwing mundines up there with the elite. He simply is not on the same level. Pavlik would destroy mandy.

I completely disagree.

I've always felt that Choc would beat Pavlik if they got together and what we saw v Hopkins just strengthens that belief.

Mundine has the tools to beat most fighters and the formlines suggest that he wouldn't be out of his class against Pavlik, who like Kessler uses his long jab and straight right to great effect. The other similarity between Kessler and Pavlik is that they roll forward and attempt to out-muscle their opponent instead of staying on the outside and using their reach.

This is where Choc used to have problems as he would sometimes get caught going backwards. He also made the mistake of sliding along the ropes and trying to slip and counter which aint smart against bigger, power punching boxers (think Margarito v Cotto)

The difference between the Mundine who lost to Kessler and Choc today is he worked hard on staying away from the ropes and moving laterally when under presure instead of backwards. Watch the Kessler v Mundine fight and you'll see that this was where he found most trouble.

Now that Pavlik has been defeated in such a dominant way he can't expect to avoid the contenders at middleweight. This is great news for Choc and we may find out if he has what it takes sooner than some think.

[JOSEY WALES]

Well from a close source i have been speaking to about the weights from Mundine's last fight against Crazy Kim were not accurate.
As the guy was in the camp of 2 of the Filo's on the undercard & clearly stated to me how they were 3 to 4 pounds heavier than what the scales showed.:yep I fucking hate monkey buisness with the scales , Its how people get damaged . i couldn't really see the difference in his frame at the lower weight than when he was @ Super . if this is true then it stinks of shit .

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Ps Trash Talk i was disscussing 168lbs division fighters ,Mundine is stuck between both division these days , are you really sure he is going to ever fight @ middle or was that just an excuse for ducking kessler ? whats weight is this fight v the Urugyan cabbie @ ?

73.5

Should make Middleweight easy. By the time Sturm comes around.

[JOSEY WALES]

I completely disagree.

I've always felt that Choc would beat Pavlik if they got together and what we saw v Hopkins just strengthens that belief.

Mundine has the tools to beat most fighters and the formlines suggest that he wouldn't be out of his class against Pavlik, who like Kessler uses his long jab and straight right to great effect. The other similarity between Kessler and Pavlik is that they roll forward and attempt to out-muscle their opponent instead of staying on the outside and using their reach.

This is where Choc used to have problems as he would sometimes get caught going backwards. He also made the mistake of sliding along the ropes and trying to slip and counter which aint smart against bigger, power punching boxers (think Margarito v Cotto)

The difference between the Mundine who lost to Kessler and Choc today is he worked hard on staying away from the ropes and moving laterally when under presure instead of backwards. Watch the Kessler v Mundine fight and you'll see that this was where he found most trouble.

Now that Pavlik has been defeated in such a dominant way he can't expect to avoid the contenders at middleweight. This is great news for Choc and we may find out if he has what it takes sooner than some think.

Incredible , Pavlik loses to a crafty old dog like hopkins probably one of the best middles ever and all of a sudden Mandy can beat him , Huge mistake writing off Pavlik just yet , @ Middle he is a beast . At middle IF Mandy ever attempts the weight LEGIT he will get dropped quicker than Kim dropped him but the differnce being Mandy stays Dropped :deal

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Double standards my arse , Froch deveres his title fight as he has fought decent opponents recently anbd climbed up teh ladder , mandy has fought all those Argie cabbies and wants PAvlik hopkins winner , do you realise how stupid he must have sounded ? or how dtupid ODH would have looked back home if he would have put it on ? :patsch BTW LAcy is ruined .

Have you seen Froch vs Westerman?

[JOSEY WALES]

73.5

Should make Middleweight easy. By the time Sturm comes around. Yes he should on home scales bythe sounds of it :good

[JOSEY WALES]

Have you seen Froch vs Westerman? :patsch Yes i saw it , Shit prefomance but a win is a win as you say .

[JOSEY WALES]

we can all pick holes in fighters records but Froch ain't ducked down a division when ordered to Defend his belt now has he , Mundine should have fought Froch for Froch's commonwealth title instead of the Argintinian Taxi 168lbs strap , saying that its probably held in higher regard than that WBA Regular title shit , now that is a BOUGHT BELT if i ever saw one ..

[JOSEY WALES]

Gotta run lads its late . Peace all ..Regards Jsoey Wales

[ajay11]

Incredible , Pavlik loses to a crafty old dog like hopkins probably one of the best middles ever and all of a sudden Mandy can beat him , Huge mistake writing off Pavlik just yet , @ Middle he is a beast . At middle IF Mandy ever attempts the weight LEGIT he will get dropped quicker than Kim dropped him but the differnce being Mandy stays Dropped :deal

Hang on a minute champ.

I've always stated that I believe Mundine could beat Pavlik but that's not to say that I'd be surprised if Pavlik put him on his arse.

Mundine would have to stay focused and work his arse off the whole fight, using his agility and speed to stick and move and out box Pavlik.

Secondly I'll tell you it's a straight out fact....Mundine would make middleweight with less effort than Pavlik would require. He walks around at 165lbs and is using his next fight v Pintos as a test to see how it pans out.

As for Pavlik, I think he'll be around for a while but unless he picks his fights carefully he'll lose the title before to long. I was impressed with his recent to wins to an extent but I could never forget how close he came to being knocked out in his first fight v Jermain Taylor.

With Hopkins, I've always been a huge fan and backed him to beat Pavlik.....by KO. Was a little bit greedy there. I also backed Jermain Taylor in his 2nd fight v Pavlik because I thought he'd fight smarter and he was schooling Pavlik in the first few rounds of their first fight until he got caught.

Sadly Jermain fought like a pussy.

Now I'm off to have a bet on the gallops. :thumbsup :thumbsup

[BoxingTrashTalk]

we can all pick holes in fighters records but Froch ain't ducked down a division when ordered to Defend his belt now has he , Mundine should have fought Froch for Froch's commonwealth title instead of the Argintinian Taxi 168lbs strap , saying that its probably held in higher regard than that WBA Regular title shit , now that is a BOUGHT BELT if i ever saw one ..

Sure you can make that argument.

But its not about what if. Its about whats been done.

And so far Froch has nothing on his record. He was very lucky to beat Westerman 15-5.

Whereas even though Mundines opponents haven';t been good over past 24 months. Green, Kessler, Echols all better. Also Soliman is better then anything Froch has faced.

Its all good looking at things one way Josey. But when you bag out Froch, and it comes to Mundine. There are two sides to the story.

[Hmmm]

Incredible , Pavlik loses to a crafty old dog like hopkins probably one of the best middles ever and all of a sudden Mandy can beat him , Huge mistake writing off Pavlik just yet , @ Middle he is a beast . At middle IF Mandy ever attempts the weight LEGIT he will get dropped quicker than Kim dropped him but the differnce being Mandy stays Dropped :deal

Not trying to praise Mundine or anything but I cant believe how many people here and in the general forum still praise Pavlik. I think he's been exposed. Full Stop.

He has always been a very one-dimesional and robotic fighter, happened to beat Taylor and suddenly he was the next best thing since sliced bread. And please dont thow Miranda into the equasion as he was an equally overhyped boxer.

Bhop IS an ageing fighter. Like it or not. The fact that he whooped Pavlik is more a display of Pavliks mediocracy. Dont want to take away credit from Hopkins as he schooled Pavlik but I still think hes an old war horse on his last legs.

Back to Mandy and I see no reason why Pavlik would be any big threat to him. He is is hard to tag, and as such Pavlik would struggle with that.

[Bentchassis]

This could make or break Pavlik for sure. Be good to see him go back to middle, take stock and see what happens. Pavlik won't have to fight anyone nearly as masterful as Hopkins and at only 26 or something he has time to rebuild himself.
Still think that stylistically speaking Mundine struggles but at least now he has a greater chance at getting a shot.

[teke]

Stylistically Mundine struggles with Jermaine Taylor alot more than Pavlik.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Stylistically Mundine struggles with Jermaine Taylor alot more than Pavlik.

I also think Kessler should avoid Jermain Taylor. Hes one guy who could take Kessler to school.

I also think Bute would be a good opponent.

[WhataRock]

I also think Kessler should avoid Jermain Taylor. Hes one guy who could take Kessler to school.



Its a fight I really really want to see but I disagree that JT schools Kessler.

Pretty much a toss up for mine.

I dont rate Taylor's skills that high frankly, he more or less just physically dominated his often smaller opponants and he has a good jab. Not much that different to Kessler really.

Gonna be a good fight if it comes off.

[Bentchassis]

Stylistically Mundine struggles with Jermaine Taylor alot more than Pavlik.
Disagree with that one mate. Mundine would look better at times against Pavlik but is at greater risk of being knocked out as well.

I wouldn't mind betting that Mundine at his absolute best could out point Taylor as he holds all the attributes less strength maybe.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Disagree with that one mate. Mundine would look better at times against Pavlik but is at greater risk of being knocked out as well.

I wouldn't mind betting that Mundine at his absolute best could out point Taylor as he holds all the attributes less strength maybe.

Will be interesting to see how highly Mundine is rated by the WBC next month. He has gone from #9. To #7 in last two months.

[ashley]

Disagree with that one mate. Mundine would look better at times against Pavlik but is at greater risk of being knocked out as well.

I wouldn't mind betting that Mundine at his absolute best could out point Taylor as he holds all the attributes less strength maybe.

It always spins me out that a guy like Taylor who is 6"1 is only 72kgs :huh

I mean he looks solid and muscular but fuck is he light....same with guys like Kessler and CO.

I am 6"3 and 116kgs......I have trained hard in the past and got ripped down to 92kgs but was I drained.

I have some gym mates at 6" 88kgs ripped that look as solid as Taylor but 72kgs how does he do it?

[Kegsy]

It always spins me out that a guy like Taylor who is 6"1 is only 72kgs :huh

I mean he looks solid and muscular but fuck is he light....same with guys like Kessler and CO.

I am 6"3 and 116kgs......I have trained hard in the past and got ripped down to 92kgs but was I drained.

I have some gym mates at 6" 88kgs ripped that look as solid as Taylor but 72kgs how does he do it? Yeah tell me about mate.
Taylor's frame must not naturally be as big as we are led to believe.
Still tho i feel Taylor should be very strong at super middle & stop Lacy fairly easily in a exciting matchup.
Also im 6ft1 & when i weighed around 90kg i was very ripped i agree its hard LOL.

[Bentchassis]

It always spins me out that a guy like Taylor who is 6"1 is only 72kgs :huh

I mean he looks solid and muscular but fuck is he light....same with guys like Kessler and CO.

I am 6"3 and 116kgs......I have trained hard in the past and got ripped down to 92kgs but was I drained.

I have some gym mates at 6" 88kgs ripped that look as solid as Taylor but 72kgs how does he do it?
I know, absolute freaks......definetely missing gizzards or something. Still can't get over the Stipe Drews fucker coming in so low against Green??

[TheH1tMan]

I think Mundine would win. The biggest problem is that he doesn't want the big fights. Therefore he cannot win them!!!

He got his balls ripped off vs. Kessler, but he should just get back up. Kessler is an excellent fighter who is better than Pavlik, Taylor, Miranda etc.

Forget about Kessler and get one of the many other big fights out there. Mundine could make a great name for himself if he doesn't read too much into the Kessler fight except that Kessler is at a level of Calzaghe and Hopkoins (minus the experience). This means that Anthony could be very competitive with the other champions.

All he needs is to take the fights.

[Hmmm]

It always spins me out that a guy like Taylor who is 6"1 is only 72kgs :huh

I mean he looks solid and muscular but fuck is he light....same with guys like Kessler and CO.

I am 6"3 and 116kgs......I have trained hard in the past and got ripped down to 92kgs but was I drained.

I have some gym mates at 6" 88kgs ripped that look as solid as Taylor but 72kgs how does he do it?

Hahahaha Yeah, that spins me out too!!!

Im 5-11 And am at 85kg now. DOnt have much more weight to lost and reasonably ripped. Good if I trained ultra ultra hard I mite reach 80kg, but to even reach SMW 76kg i'd have to starve for a week. And I have skinny legs.

Totally makes no sense to me at all how the boxers do it...

[ashley]

Hahahaha Yeah, that spins me out too!!!

Im 5-11 And am at 85kg now. DOnt have much more weight to lost and reasonably ripped. Good if I trained ultra ultra hard I mite reach 80kg, but to even reach SMW 76kg i'd have to starve for a week. And I have skinny legs.

Totally makes no sense to me at all how the boxers do it...

Yep Hmmm, Chassis and Kegsy......F...s me how they do it :huh

[daz52]

Will be interesting to see how highly Mundine is rated by the WBC next month. He has gone from #9. To #7 in last two months.

The WBC? You sure? Is that at MW or SMW

[ashley]

The WBC? You sure? Is that at MW or SMW

Mundine is rated number 7 at SMW with the WBC....The guy is fighting at MW not SMW!

Maybe a kilo over but not SMW.

[Kegsy]

Hahahaha Yeah, that spins me out too!!!

Im 5-11 And am at 85kg now. DOnt have much more weight to lost and reasonably ripped. Good if I trained ultra ultra hard I mite reach 80kg, but to even reach SMW 76kg i'd have to starve for a week. And I have skinny legs.

Totally makes no sense to me at all how the boxers do it...
Yeah well mate now im around the 100kg's mark & am training here & there.
If i dedicated myself alot i could make 90kg & cruiser, but geeez anything less & i would be bloody so weak.I would be starving once getting below 90 thats 4 sure.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

It always spins me out that a guy like Taylor who is 6"1 is only 72kgs :huh

I mean he looks solid and muscular but fuck is he light....same with guys like Kessler and CO.

I am 6"3 and 116kgs......I have trained hard in the past and got ripped down to 92kgs but was I drained.

I have some gym mates at 6" 88kgs ripped that look as solid as Taylor but 72kgs how does he do it?

Have you seen these Super Middleweights and Middleweights close up? They are skinny. Very skinny.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

The WBC? You sure? Is that at MW or SMW

SMW. Taylor and Mundine could meet. Before Pavlik and Mundine meet.

[Kegsy]

SMW. Taylor and Mundine could meet. Before Pavlik and Mundine meet.
Before Mundine and South American taxi driver number 15 meet.

[boxon123]

Yeah tell me about mate.
Taylor's frame must not naturally be as big as we are led to believe.
Still tho i feel Taylor should be very strong at super middle & stop Lacy fairly easily in a exciting matchup.
Also im 6ft1 & when i weighed around 90kg i was very ripped i agree its hard LOL. Are you guys kidding have you ever seen how big some of these guys are? Then you compare them to yourself having stripped down in weight. Diego Corrales 6ft + 130 lb .These world class boxers are masters of cutting weight. Not as big as we are lead to believe Fuck. sorry guys I should not be mean but these guys are huge see if you can find the ring entry weight and you will see what I mean. .

[Kegsy]

Are you guys kidding have you ever seen how big some of these guys are? Then you compare them to yourself having stripped down in weight. Diego Corrales 6ft + 130 lb .These world class boxers are masters of cutting weight. Not as big as we are lead to believe Fuck. sorry guys I should not be mean but these guys are huge see if you can find the ring entry weight and you will see what I mean. . Yeah some guys like Edison Miranda regularly put on over 20 pounds overnight. They really dry themselves out.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Before Mundine and South American taxi driver number 15 meet.

The big fights can be taken. I mean no one on that list WBC top 10 can bring Jermain in a big pay day that Choc can.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Yeah some guys like Edison Miranda regularly put on over 20 pounds overnight. They really dry themselves out.

Winky came into the ring against Soliman at 172.

[Marcus]

Yeah tell me about mate.
Taylor's frame must not naturally be as big as we are led to believe.
Still tho i feel Taylor should be very strong at super middle & stop Lacy fairly easily in a exciting matchup.
Also im 6ft1 & when i weighed around 90kg i was very ripped i agree its hard LOL.

the only thing your ripping now is your pants fatty boombar

[Marcus]

its easy to be light and big, if thats your body type, im 5"10 and im about 70kg, and i have to try and eat alot to be that weight.

these guys are very thin in the legs, Taylor has tiny ankles, Pavliks legs are like broom sticks. and small in the waist, look how thin Margo looks at weight in.

i could stop eatin and drop as much as 5 or more kgs in a week, but iv always been a skinny fuck who can kick like a mule!

[lefty]

its easy to be light and big, if thats your body type, im 5"10 and im about 70kg, and i have to try and eat alot to be that weight.

these guys are very thin in the legs, Taylor has tiny ankles, Pavliks legs are like broom sticks. and small in the waist, look how thin Margo looks at weight in.

i could stop eatin and drop as much as 5 or more kgs in a week, but iv always been a skinny fuck who can kick like a mule!

Yeah i have a small frame, im 6ft 70kg but people can't believe i'm that light because i have big shoulders and muscular arms, most boxers are probably the same, skinny guys with plenty of muscle so they look huge on the screen.

[IrnBruMan]

I also think Kessler should avoid Jermain Taylor. Hes one guy who could take Kessler to school.

I disagree completely.

[JOSEY WALES]

I disagree completely.

So do fucking i mate , BTT If he can't take the MIDGETS like Kass O and Cory spinks to the cleaner's he has no fooking chance of beating Kessler infact if he don't get a Shot to shit Lacy out of there within 5 next month he should think about hanging them up as well , Kessler would thump fuck into Taylor all night long , Taylor would survive purley on exerience but no way in this world would he beat kessler @ 168 + lbs . its all well and good bullshitting a fighter up just because your man might be fighting him but come on mate if you think Taylor beats kessler then i really don't know what to say to you next .

[BoxingTrashTalk]

So do fucking i mate , BTT If he can't take the MIDGETS like Kass O and Cory spinks to the cleaner's he has no fooking chance of beating Kessler infact if he don't get a Shot to shit Lacy out of there within 5 next month he should think about hanging them up as well , Kessler would thump fuck into Taylor all night long , Taylor would survive purley on exerience but no way in this world would he beat kessler @ 168 + lbs . its all well and good bullshitting a fighter up just because your man might be fighting him but come on mate if you think Taylor beats kessler then i really don't know what to say to you next .

Josey. Its not a foregone conclusion that Taylor can beat Kessler. Styles make fights. This is the way i see it. Kessler beats pretty much everyone at SMW. Obviously Jermain Taylor would give him his toughest test. Providing Taylor comes into the fight a lot stronger then when he was at MW. His lateral movement and speed should make the fight close.

[pecks]

Kessler would take taylor out under 8 rounds imo. His pressure would give taylor fits.

Thats all there really is to it.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

I have serious question marks about Kesslers ability fight when going backwards. I do think Taylor could make him fight going backwards. Depends how he looks against Lacy though. I still don't think Lacy is as bad as everyone says, hes a solid name.

[JOSEY WALES]

Josey. Its not a foregone conclusion that Taylor can beat Kessler. Styles make fights. This is the way i see it. Kessler beats pretty much everyone at SMW. Obviously Jermain Taylor would give him his toughest test. Providing Taylor comes into the fight a lot stronger then when he was at MW. His lateral movement and speed should make the fight close. Jermain Taylor is a lazy cunt mate he hit the Jackpot when he got TWO dubious decisions over Bernard Hopkins , he went all silk pygams and we know the rest with Pavlik , he got sparked in the first and although he rallied in the second didn't have it in him to win , he hasn't to my knowledge even fought at S/Middle yet so we can't really say how he will go @ 168lbs anyway why would he move up the S/Middle to fight Lacy only to come back down to fight Mandy ? do you REALLY think that is going to happen ? why throw these names in with Mundine's when the chances of them fighting are slim to say the least , thats my problem with Mandy's huggers you live in a fantasy world where you band his name around with the likes of Joe , kess , Kelly ,etc when inefect all he is fighting is , Harpo , Mo and Curley .

[pecks]

I have serious question marks about Kesslers ability fight when going backwards. I do think Taylor could make him fight going backwards. Depends how he looks against Lacy though. I still don't think Lacy is as bad as everyone says, hes a solid name.How would you rate Kessler's attacking arsenal compared to Pavlik's?

[BoxingTrashTalk]

How would you rate Kessler's attacking arsenal compared to Pavlik's?

Kessler is all round a better fighter then Pavlik. I can't see Pavlik winning more then 3 rounds against Kessler. Kessler has a very very nice uppercut. And a solid straight right, which lands and holds more power then Pavliks over rated straight right hand. Unlike Pavlik, Kessler doesn't need to land the jab to bring the right in play. And if he does land the jab, the right comes through a lot quicker then Pavliks aka Beyer.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Jermain Taylor is a lazy cunt mate he hit the Jackpot when he got TWO dubious decisions over Bernard Hopkins , he went all silk pygams and we know the rest with Pavlik , he got sparked in the first and although he rallied in the second didn't have it in him to win , he hasn't to my knowledge even fought at S/Middle yet so we can't really say how he will go @ 168lbs anyway why would he move up the S/Middle to fight Lacy only to come back down to fight Mandy ? do you REALLY think that is going to happen ? why throw these names in with Mundine's when the chances of them fighting are slim to say the least , thats my problem with Mandy's huggers you live in a fantasy world where you band his name around with the likes of Joe , kess , Kelly ,etc when inefect all he is fighting is , Harpo , Mo and Curley .

No. I doubt Mundine will fight more then once at Middle weight. I was just stating he could make it if he wanted to.

If he is to fight Taylor that would be at SMW. And i can see that happening. Possibly the big bout hes looking for after Sturm, since Pavlik lost.

And who in there right mind would face Pavlik now? Other then Rubio. I mean hes a big puncher coming off a loss. If you win, everyone says Hopkins smacked him and he takes the glory.

[JOSEY WALES]

I have serious question marks about Kesslers ability fight when going backwards. I do think Taylor could make him fight going backwards. Depends how he looks against Lacy though. I still don't think Lacy is as bad as everyone says, hes a solid name.

[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Yea but he got ruined . Click on the picture and scroll down if your in need of a reminder , Jeff Lacy ain't shit anymore and its a fucking disgrace Taylor ducked Froch to fight him ..

[pecks]

Kessler is all round a better fighter then Pavlik. I can't see Pavlik winning more then 3 rounds against Kessler. Kessler has a very very nice uppercut. And a solid straight right, which lands and holds more power then Pavliks over rated straight right hand. Unlike Pavlik, Kessler doesn't need to land the jab to bring the right in play. And if he does land the jab, the right comes through a lot quicker then Pavliks aka Beyer.I agree.

Kessler's a lot more crisper with his punches, is faster, more skilled, and has much better defence.

Which is why I can't see Taylor backing up Kessler enough for him to cause Kessler much problems.

Kessler's pressure will be too much for Taylor, and he'd finish him off in similar circumstances to how Pavlik did in their first encounter, though the fight wont be as close as that was up until the KO.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Yea but he got ruined . Click on the picture and scroll down if your in need of a reminder , Jeff Lacy ain't shit anymore and its a fucking disgrace Taylor ducked Froch to fight him ..

Josey Taylors fighting Froch next.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

I agree.

Kessler's a lot more crisper with his punches, is faster, more skilled, and has much better defence.

Which is why I can't see Taylor backing up Kessler enough for him to cause Kessler much problems.

Kessler's pressure will be too much for Taylor, and he'd finish him off in similar circumstances to how Pavlik did in their first encounter, though the fight wont be as close as that was up until the KO.

Kessler has to drain to make SMW. Well i dunno, but he comes in on the limit.

[JOSEY WALES]

Josey Taylors fighting Froch next. Taylor won't fight Froch If Froch wins he will duck him again and if Froch loses he won'y have anything to bring to te table , Taylor v Froch won't happen .

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Taylor won't fight Froch If Froch wins he will duck him again and if Froch loses he won'y have anything to bring to te table , Taylor v Froch won't happen .

If theres Vcash on here. I will bet everything Taylor fights Froch after he beats Lacy.

[IrnBruMan]

Josey. Its not a foregone conclusion that Taylor can beat Kessler. Styles make fights. This is the way i see it. Kessler beats pretty much everyone at SMW. Obviously Jermain Taylor would give him his toughest test. Providing Taylor comes into the fight a lot stronger then when he was at MW. His lateral movement and speed should make the fight close.

Uh, I'd say the guy who handed Kessler his first '0' was his toughest test, wouldn't you agree? :hey

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Uh, I'd say the guy who handed Kessler his first '0' was his toughest test, wouldn't you agree? :hey

Test as in "future opponents".

:bbb

[IrnBruMan]

Jermain Taylor is a lazy cunt mate he hit the Jackpot when he got TWO dubious decisions over Bernard Hopkins , he went all silk pygams and we know the rest with Pavlik , he got sparked in the first and although he rallied in the second didn't have it in him to win , he hasn't to my knowledge even fought at S/Middle yet so we can't really say how he will go @ 168lbs anyway why would he move up the S/Middle to fight Lacy only to come back down to fight Mandy ? do you REALLY think that is going to happen ? why throw these names in with Mundine's when the chances of them fighting are slim to say the least , thats my problem with Mandy's huggers you live in a fantasy world where you band his name around with the likes of Joe , kess , Kelly ,etc when inefect all he is fighting is , Harpo , Mo and Curley .

Exactly Josey, Taylor was good when he had HBO and everyone else on his side when they wanted rid of Hopkins, then he shat himself at the first sign of genuine opposition (Pavlik).

Taylor didn't know what to do with his belts once he'd been served them up on a silver platter, which is why he was so ordinary vs the likes of Ouma, Spinks.

Basically, when you've been given something instead of having to work for it, the motivation isn't there to fight for it.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

I just watched Mayweather vs Hatton. Thought HBO were shithouse. Mayweather was sparkling and the commentators weren't saying shit.

[pecks]

Kessler has to drain to make SMW. Well i dunno, but he comes in on the limit.Apparently he makes it well and aside from the time when he had to drop his dacks during the Calzaghe fight, he has never had a problem.

As big as he looks, he makes it pretty comfortably, and we've never seen him fight above smw.

Even if he has had to drain to make weight, then it's still the same Kessler that we've been seeing for the last 5 years, and from what I've seen I'd easily pick him over taylor.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Apparently he makes it well and aside from the time when he had to drop his dacks during the Calzaghe fight, he has never had a problem.

As big as he looks, he makes it pretty comfortably, and we've never seen him fight above smw.

Even if he has had to drain to make weight, then it's still the same Kessler that we've been seeing for the last 5 years, and from what I've seen I'd easily pick him over taylor.

I tend to think Bute actually might get found out against Andrade. Anyone else think this aswell?

I have seen Bute get KO'd in the amateurs.

[JOSEY WALES]

No. I doubt Mundine will fight more then once at Middle weight. I was just stating he could make it if he wanted to.

If he is to fight Taylor that would be at SMW. And i can see that happening. Possibly the big bout hes looking for after Sturm, since Pavlik lost.

And who in there right mind would face Pavlik now? Other then Rubio. I mean hes a big puncher coming off a loss. If you win, everyone says Hopkins smacked him and he takes the glory.


So what your saying is basically Mandy ran away from kessler @ 168lbs and is targeting a weakish German Middle to capture Legit title @ Middle then will move back up to 168lbs to fight Taylor IF Taylor does the hard work and defeats the winner of Froch & Pascal . lol What a hero .:lol:

[BoxingTrashTalk]

So what your saying is basically Mandy ran away from kessler @ 168lbs and is targeting a weakish German Middle to capture Legit title @ Middle then will move back up to 168lbs to fight Taylor IF Taylor does the hard work and defeats the winner of Froch & Pascal . lol What a hero .:lol:

Not so much a hero Josey. But a smart business man.

If he had gone the Kessler way. Its highly likely he wouldn't have got the chance to be in some big fights in the US.

This way he will.

[JOSEY WALES]

Yes i agree if thats the way he is going about things then yes he is a smart buisnessman but on no account down the pipe will anyone ever be able to say he didn't duck kessler because we all know now he did and for what reason he did it . You know something BTT i really hope he does beat Strum and Froch beats Pascal , that way we will see just how good he is , if he gets past Taylor of course, i realise its all about the money with Mandy but most fighters when they start off are desperate to win a world title but that dosen't seem to be the case with him does it ? he's had years fighting PPV in Australia and now that Lemon had dried up he's after the Yank lemon .

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Yes i agree if thats the way he is going about things then yes he is a smart buisnessman but on no account down the pipe will anyone ever be able to say he didn't duck kessler because we all know now he did and for what reason he did it . You know something BTT i really hope he does beat Strum and Froch beats Pascal , that way we will see just how good he is , if he gets past Taylor of course, i realise its all about the money with Mandy but most fighters when they start off are desperate to win a world title but that dosen't seem to be the case with him does it ? he's had years fighting PPV in Australia and now that Lemon had dried up he's after the Yank lemon .

The lemons not dry Josey. Hes played it safe over the past 24 months and sure he has lost a lot of fans. And he hasn't gained as many as he could. And hes wasted potential, and could be a lot better at this time of his career. But its building for a late run. Yes i hope they do meet in the future.

It would be fascinating to see how Froch goes against Pascal.

[JOSEY WALES]

The lemons not dry Josey. Hes played it safe over the past 24 months and sure he has lost a lot of fans. And he hasn't gained as many as he could. And hes wasted potential, and could be a lot better at this time of his career. But its building for a late run. Yes i hope they do meet in the future.

It would be fascinating to see how Froch goes against Pascal.

Thats the saddest part of it mate it would only take for him to fight a Named fighter and the fans would come runing back imo, however its his reluctance to take a risk v the likes of Kessler that has resulted in him robbing said fans of decent matchup's and feeding us a steady diet of cabbies :-( I hope we are all about this time next year , either you will be proved right and me wrong or vice versa .

[Hmmm]

I tend to think Bute actually might get found out against Andrade. Anyone else think this aswell?

I have seen Bute get KO'd in the amateurs.

Dont think he will be exposed. He beat Bika - thats enought for me to suggest he isnt a TOTAL fraud. One can agree he hasnt faced anything almighty but he has certainly earnt his current position. Its a little too hard (for me at least) to make a conclusive prediction on Bute.

[teke]

I agree Kessler beats Taylor, he beats him the same way Pavlik did - pressure and nice straight clean crisp punches from the outside.

Taylor v Mundine is a very evenly matched fight.

Mundine v Pavlik, well as much as ppl dont want to hear it Pavlik just struggles when he target moves. If Taylor wasnt so lazy in the ring he could have beaten Pavlik. IMO Mundine has a way better chance of beating Pav than he does of beating Taylor.

It is a disgrace Taylor dodged Froch cause he would have whipped that slow ass til it bled.

[JOSEY WALES]

I agree Kessler beats Taylor, he beats him the same way Pavlik did - pressure and nice straight clean crisp punches from the outside.

Taylor v Mundine is a very evenly matched fight.

Mundine v Pavlik, well as much as ppl dont want to hear it Pavlik just struggles when he target moves. If Taylor wasnt so lazy in the ring he could have beaten Pavlik. IMO Mundine has a way better chance of beating Pav than he does of beating Taylor.

It is a disgrace Taylor dodged Froch cause he would have whipped that slow ass til it bled. Teke you under estimate Froch old son , Win lose or draw v Pascal i will give him big up's for trying to win a legit title ..Fuck,,, OZSTRIKER when you download that Tv Series "long way round" see if Mandy was in it :rofl :rofl :rofl

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Teke you under estimate Froch old son , Win lose or draw v Pascal i will give him big up's for trying to win a legit title ..Fuck,,, OZSTRIKER when you download that Tv Series "long way round" see if Mandy was in it :rofl :rofl :rofl

I think Froch should still beat Pascal. I don't have Pascal in my top 10 at 168.

With Calzaghe relinquishing his WBC version of the title, Froch will fight at home in Nottingham, England, against Canada's Jean Pascal for the vacant belt.
Next: Dec. 6 vs. Pascal.

(Courtesy of Dan Rafael).

Im suprised the fights still so long away. They should have scheduled it earlier.

Big pay day none the less for Froch?

[Kegsy]

I think Froch should still beat Pascal. I don't have Pascal in my top 10 at 168.

With Calzaghe relinquishing his WBC version of the title, Froch will fight at home in Nottingham, England, against Canada's Jean Pascal for the vacant belt.
Next: Dec. 6 vs. Pascal.

(Courtesy of Dan Rafael).

Im suprised the fights still so long away. They should have scheduled it earlier.

Big pay day none the less for Froch?
Thanks Dan.:good

[maco_187]

lol at this title, there is no way in the world mundine has the balls and the fight in him to fight the way bernard did, hopkins is a legend, hes a fighter, hes like an animal in the ring, he just doesnt swarm he takes tactics into the fight and uses them accordingly, in saying that pavlik looked shocking but to me that was all hopkins beating him to the punch all night long, from the first round i think he took his will to win away....
mundine would of been on the run and motoring and barely would of won 3 rounds against pavlik, he would of been knocked out if he gave the same opportunity that he gave crazy kim...

[Marcus]

yeah maco, i agree, mundine cant move like b hop, that was pure anger and will, along with elite boxing skills.

pav tried but it wasnt near enought against b hop.

i just cant see mundine doin any good at all against pav at middle, if he survived the distance goin on his recent form, id be fuckin amazed!

[teke]

yeah maco, i agree, mundine cant move like b hop, that was pure anger and will, along with elite boxing skills.

pav tried but it wasnt near enought against b hop.

i just cant see mundine doin any good at all against pav at middle, if he survived the distance goin on his recent form, id be fuckin amazed!Cant say im surprised by this, you have Sturm Ko'ing Mundine...Sturm and his big guns :D

[teke]

hahaha Boxingtrashtalk is NOT Gav...I'd like to put money on it being Uphercunt :hi:

[Decebal]

I just though Kelly looked lethargic. Slow. And flat.

:soccerred :love :soccerred

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:hi:

[Sox]

hahaha Boxingtrashtalk is NOT Gav...I'd like to put money on it being Uphercunt :hi:
I thought he already admitted to being Gav.

[the beaver]

Froch is a poor mans version of Kelly Pavlik, as soon as he fights someone half decent he will get exposed.

Mundine wld box his ears off just like the Green fight.

Actually Green wld knock Froch out.

I went to a froch fight whilst living in that shithole Nottingham, and he is extremely overrated. Don't know too much about Pascal to say he will win or not.

[JOSEY WALES]

Froch is a poor mans version of Kelly Pavlik, as soon as he fights someone half decent he will get exposed.

Mundine wld box his ears off just like the Green fight.

Actually Green wld knock Froch out.

I went to a froch fight whilst living in that shithole Nottingham, and he is extremely overrated. Don't know too much about Pascal to say he will win or not. Your right there Beave Rottingham is a complete & Utter shit hole , Question ? of all the places in the UK Why did you settle in Rottingham ffs thats like me living in some Sydney shithole when i could live in PERTH :lol:

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Hes not exactly wasting his prime. Everything is gearing up for a late run. (Even though others continue to bring in hes ageing. Im adament hes not ageing and he will likely fight to 37/38).A big late run......

We're all aging - and these are prime years for Mundine (2006/2007/2008). He is 33 and half already and there's no sign of the big fight in sight.

He's talked the talk of a hero willing to take on all comers and instead just bided his time with comparative easy beats one after the other.

That's what pisses half of Australia off (the boxing fans). Mundine talks-the-talk but refuses to even attempt to walk-the-walk. Tell me I've got it wrong!

[BoxingTrashTalk]

We're all aging - and these are prime years for Mundine (2006/2007/2008). He is 33 and half already and there's no sign of the big fight in sight.

He's talked the talk of a hero willing to take on all comers and instead just bided his time with comparative easy beats one after the other.

That's what pisses half of Australia off (the boxing fans). Mundine talks-the-talk but refuses to even attempt to walk-the-walk. Tell me I've got it wrong!

I think you have it wrong. Apart from the knockdown against Kim, we all saw improvements in his combinations. Which is all he needs to improve to be a well skilled, well rounded fighter.

I do think he has another 4 years left in him. He knows that to!

P.S I just watched Pavlik/Hopkins again. And i have to say. If the fights at 168. Im going to unload my sportingbet account on Choc.

[ipswich express]

Anthony wouldn't even be a blip on Pavlik's radar. It'd be at 160 anyway, so it's irrelevant.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

I think you have it wrong. Apart from the knockdown against Kim, we all saw improvements in his combinations. Which is all he needs to improve to be a well skilled, well rounded fighter.

I do think he has another 4 years left in him. He knows that to!

P.S I just watched Pavlik/Hopkins again. And i have to say. If the fights at 168. Im going to unload my sportingbet account on Choc.

He may have improved his combos slightly. But he'll get slower, not quicker.

I doubt he'll ever step up while he can continue to make easy $$$ in easy fights, and if he does he'll probably leave his run too late.

[teke]

I thought he already admitted to being Gav.He's not Gav im sure of it

[Kegsy]

He's not Gav im sure of it
Who cares...this guy is a delusional Mundine nuthugger who thinks he will take on all the best fighters.:nut:nut

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Who cares...this guy is a delusional Mundine nuthugger who thinks he will take on all the best fighters.:nut:nut

Nah i don't.

I do think Kesser would beat him. And so would JT. And as much as i hate to say it Froch is in with a good chance.

And thinking about it Arthur.

But yeh im Gav. Its me guys. The old Gav.

[Kegsy]

Nah i don't.

I do think Kesser would beat him. And so would JT. And as much as i hate to say it Froch is in with a good chance.

And thinking about it Arthur.

But yeh im Gav. Its me guys. The old Gav.
Fair enough Gav i feel all those guys beat him, with Pavlik knocking his ass out based on that very mediocre Crazy Kim performance...i dont care how u try to claim to me otherwise.

The thing is Gav it doesnt help your cause when you bring up stuff about Mundine in completely unrelated threads to him.
Your obsession of Mundine is stalker like & i would suggest seeking help.

[teke]

Nah i don't.

I do think Kesser would beat him. And so would JT. And as much as i hate to say it Froch is in with a good chance.

And thinking about it Arthur.

But yeh im Gav. Its me guys. The old Gav.What was your former username on this site and have you ever written an article about mundine and name the heading

[stiflers mum]

I just though Kelly looked lethargic. Slow. And flat.
No. KP jumped a division in a stupid attempt to defeat Hopkins to lure JC into a fight.He failed but back at MW he still walks thru Choc and and KTFO.Hopkins is as cunning as a shit house rat he set his little traps and KP fell into every single one of them but he will be better off for the loss IMO.As will Kessler after he was out smarted by JC. Choc has never tested himself against smart fighters of that calibre he is fighting Argie cab drivers Thai rice farmers and Japanese sushi bar waiters and racking up W's but they dont make you improve. At MW Kelly beats him easily IMO.Maybe we will see in 2010.:lol:

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Okay sorry guys. I will try and talk about other fighters more.

Gav.

[stiflers mum]

Okay sorry guys. I will try and talk about other fighters more.

Gav.
Talk about who ever you want its a free country just be prepared to be flamed a lot Gav :lol::good

[teke]

Talk about who ever you want its a free country just be prepared to be flamed a lot Gav :lol::goodSpot on.

Dont worry about what these whingers say, if they dont like it they will tell ya.

[pecks]

Okay sorry guys. I will try and talk about other fighters more.

Gav.To really fit into ESB, you should visit the lounge section and discuss peeing in Leila Ali's butt. :p

[Sox]

To really fit into ESB, you should visit the lounge section and discuss peeing in Leila Ali's butt. :p
:rofl :rofl
Fucks sake, I haven't been here long, but you guys make me crack up a lot more than any other forum I've ever visited.....
:happy :happy

[Marcus]

He's not Gav im sure of it

ha ha ha

[BIG FELLA]

Hey boxing trash talk

Are you the same goose that was on Boxrec, Ultimate boxa2 or something like that. You sure sound the same. Why did you get banned?

[sallywinder]

just cause an all time great, at his prime, makes a YOUNG fighter in a division below him look ordinary,has no bearing on how mundine would perform!! if either hit him clean on the chin......mundine would be dreaming of ottke....for about ten minutes...


.

[ipswich express]

Hopkins is in his prime at the age of 43????

[teke]

Hopkins is in his prime at the age of 43????No he's just coming into it

[ipswich express]

Seems like you're not the only one thinking that :)

[LeonMcS]

Originally posted by boxingtrashtalk
P.S I just watched Pavlik/Hopkins again. And i have to say. If the fights at 168. Im going to unload my sportingbet account on Choc.

I'd suggest thats not the only thing you're going to unload.

[ashley]

I'd suggest thats not the only thing you're going to unload.


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl ....sorry BTT.

[Rise Above]

I'd suggest thats not the only thing you're going to unload.


:lol::lol::lol:

[JOSEY WALES]

I'd suggest thats not the only thing you're going to unload. Lmao You blokes crack me up , Aussie section of ESB is the best piss take on the net :deal

[the beaver]

Actually in all seriouness, i think the Mundine @ 168lbs that beat both Green & Soliman2 in 05/06 can certainly test a Pavlik who faced Bhop at 168lbs.

However, the Mundine v Crazy Kim at 164lbs v Pavlik pre Hoppa at 160lbs wld have his way with the Mouth.

:huh Did that make sense

[riggers]

And Calzaghe is what then ?Pavlik seemed a lot more robotic then Danny Green ever was yesterday. Would be interesting to see who would have won that match up aswell.

I give credit to Hopkins, Jermain Taylor, Winky Wright. To me, they are 3 top guns from MW to LHW.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

And Calzaghe is what then ?



obviously a typo.

[lefty]

Pavlik seemed a lot more robotic then Danny Green ever was yesterday. Would be interesting to see who would have won that match up aswell.

I give credit to Hopkins, Jermain Taylor, Winky Wright. To me, they are 3 top guns from MW to LHW.

Possibly the stupidest post i've seen on ESB.

[Kegsy]

Possibly the stupidest post i've seen on ESB.
Tell me about it.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Possibly the stupidest post i've seen on ESB.

Sorry. You can't see the obvious similarities between the two?

Thats rather funny.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

Tell me about it.

If Danny was to fight Pavlik at SMW or LHW. It would be a very close fight.

Both are seemingly one dimensional. And i would give Danny the power advantage.

The aussie forum is way to harsh on Aussie fighters. Rather suprisingly.

[Kegsy]

If Danny was to fight Pavlik at SMW or LHW. It would be a very close fight.

Both are seemingly one dimensional. And i would give Danny the power advantage.

The aussie forum is way to harsh on Aussie fighters. Rather suprisingly. We are referring to your 2nd line more than the 1st.
How Jermain Taylor & Winky Wright are top 3 at those weight classes is wayyy beyond me.:lol:

[JOSEY WALES]

Light Heavy ......

Dawson or Calzaghe .

Super Middle .....

Kessler or Bute .

Middle Weight ...

Pavlik or A.A .

Hopkins @ # 3 in the Light Heavy .

Taylor @ # 3 in the S/middle ..(unless Froch beats Pascal )

Winky @ # 3 at middle ( if he could be bothered making weight and fighting )

Fire at Will ............:lol:

[Kegsy]

Light Heavy ......

Dawson or Calzaghe .

Super Middle .....

Kessler or Bute .

Middle Weight ...

Pavlik or A.A .

Hopkins @ # 3 in the Light Heavy .

Taylor @ # 3 in the S/middle ..(unless Froch beats Pascal )

Winky @ # 3 at middle ( if he could be bothered making weight and fighting )

Fire at Will ............:lol:
Exactly maybe besides Hopkins, the other 2 (Taylor & Wright) barely scrape into the top 10 overall between 160 to 175.
Who really knows were Winky is at these days:deal.

[BoxingTrashTalk]

We are referring to your 2nd line more than the 1st.
How Jermain Taylor & Winky Wright are top 3 at those weight classes is wayyy beyond me.:lol:

Winky Wright is class.

Hes behind Kelly and Arthur. Even if he comes in with ring rust.

That can't really be disputed.