History will judge Hopkins, Calzaghe, Tarver, and Johnson kindly

[janitor]

Their stock will rise over the coming years take my word for it.

Hopkins will generaly be regarded as the greatest middleweight of the postwar era after he retires. It will only take the dust to settle a bit.

Calzaghe will be regarded as a great fighter who pulled the super middleweight division together and then beat the man at light heavyweight, before Hopkins dismantled Kelly Pavlik who is far from a finished story.

Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson will be regarded more highly than they were in their own primes. Certainly more highly than the generation of light heavyweights that succeeds them.

[mr. magoo]

I agree completely. In the 1940's and 50's, there were many who did not think much of Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Joey Maxim, and a number of others. Today, however those guys are regarded rather highly to say the least.

Hopkins, Jones and Calzaghe particularly will be appraised as all time greats. I don't know what will become of Antonio Tarver or Glen Johnson though..

[janitor]

[quote=mr. magoo]I agree completely. In the 1940's and 50's, there were many who did not think much of Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Joey Maxim, and a number of others. Today, however those guys are regarded rather highly to say the least.


A good analogy


Hopkins, Jones and Calzaghe particularly will be appraised as all time greats. I don't know what will become of Antonio Tarver or Glen Johnson though.


I think that they will be rated more highly than Chad Dawson and the rest of the genaration who comes after them.

They will be noted for their battles with Roy Jones and for coming back to beat or test guys like Dawson and Woods while past their best.

I think Glen Johnson will sort of be the Jersey Joe Walcott of this era since we are using 40s/50s analogies.

[Matienza]

Using the same reasoning, I think in the future someone like Zsolt Erdei will be rated in higher esteem than he is at present.

[Mantequilla]

We don't know how they will be rated 20-30 years from now.

That's all that can be said really.

[PowerPuncher]

Using the same reasoning, I think in the future someone like Zsolt Erdei will be rated in higher esteem than he is at present.

Because he beat Gonzalez and got 2 gifts against Garay and never facing a ranked LHW again :lol:

[PowerPuncher]

Hopkins - will be ranked as high as Archie Moore, based on similar achievements

Tarver will be reminded kindly - beat many ranked LHWs before JOnes, who he then beat twice, then beat Johnson and Woods

Calazage - will become overrated if he retires undefeated, he isn't on Hopkins/Jones level, fighting old versions benefits him because he'd be stopped in their prime. People will forget all of his many ducks from 1997-2006

Johnson - won't be rated that highly, they won't see that many of his losses were robberies. He came up second to Tarver too and got a gift in the first

[Loewe]

Calazage - will become overrated if he retires undefeated, he isn't on Hopkins/Jones level, fighting old versions benefits him because he'd be stopped in their prime. People will forget all of his many ducks from 1997-2006

Johnson - won't be rated that highly, they won't see that many of his losses were robberies. He came up second to Tarver too and got a gift in the first

I disagree with both. In the past those informations as Calzaghe´s poor pre-Lacy reign - very sad imo if he would have stepped up earlier he may have some losses on his record but he also whould have more wins worth something on his record, making him more proven and overall a greater fighter - and Johnson getted robbed time and again - no he did not get robbed against Ottke - will not be forgotten in a time were every information is there to grab for somebody who wants it.

I´d add to the lot the before named Ottke and DM as the continental European equivalents to the others.

[mr. magoo]

Because he beat Gonzalez and got 2 gifts against Garay and never facing a ranked LHW again :lol:

The classic power puncher analysis - Whenever a guy who I don't like wins, it was a robbery.

[TommyV]

Because he beat Gonzalez and got 2 gifts against Garay and never facing a ranked LHW again :lol:

Erdei is a skilled guy. He's more than capable of mixing with the top light heavies if he got the fuck out of Germany once in a while.

[Loewe]

Erdei is a skilled guy. He's more than capable of mixing with the top light heavies if he got the fuck out of Germany once in a while.

Not anymore, his skills diminished thanks to fighting less than mediocre opponents.

[PowerPuncher]

The classic power puncher analysis - Whenever a guy who I don't like wins, it was a robbery.

So you saw the Garay fights, Erdei's own crowd boo'ed the decisions, it wasn't close

[mr. magoo]

So you saw the Garay fights, Erdei's own crowd boo'ed the decisions, it wasn't close

It doesn't matter. Your answer would be the same with any fight where you didn't like the outcome.

Robbery....

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[Loewe]

It doesn't matter. Your answer would be the same with any fight where you didn't like the outcome.

Robbery....

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Yeah just like Johnson got robbed against Ottke :lol:

[janitor]

Using the same reasoning, I think in the future someone like Zsolt Erdei will be rated in higher esteem than he is at present.

I rather doubt it.

You dont build a reputation against oposition like that however kindly history looks on your era.