which ethnic background has had..

[shommel]

more champions than the rest? italian, mexican,jewish,african american,polish white,you get the picture. also has there ever been any native american indian champions?

[AlFrancis]

more champions than the rest? italian, mexican,jewish,african american,polish white,you get the picture. also has there ever been any native american indian champions?

Marvin Camel, Native American and first wbc Cruiserweight champion.
Danny Lopez, part Ute Indian.

[shommel]

what tribe?

[AlFrancis]

what tribe?


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[red cobra]

Virgil Hill is part Indian and part Italian, so he said in an early interview.

[GazOC]

Wasn't Dempsey supposed to have Indian blood?

In answer to the original question, I'd guess that African Americans have had more world champions (partly) because they've dominated since the Alphabet Boys have made more world titles avaliable to win.

[shommel]

there have been a lot of italian champs. was the ever an era when an ethic race dominated the sport(like was it mostly irish or whatever in the mid 20s as an example poor as it is)?

[Muchmoore]

there have been a lot of italian champs. was the ever an era when an ethic race dominated the sport(like was it mostly irish or whatever in the mid 20s as an example poor as it is)?

Black people have pretty much dominated boxing from the beginning of time.

As the great Detective Frank Drebin of Police Squad once said "All I know is never bet on the white guy"

:lol:

[Bad_Intentions]

Wasn't Dempsey supposed to have Indian blood?


Yes, his mother was a Native American, :good.

[mattdonnellon]

To lump all Africian Americans together is incorrect, ethnically they could be from Kenya, Nigeria, Uganda etc or more properly from their original tribes. The Irish and Mexicans might be the winners...?

[GazOC]

Why split Africans into tribes but still give the Mexicans and Irish whole countries? I think most of the African Americans came from West Africa?

[mattdonnellon]

The Irish are an indiginious race same as the Karagwe, Maasai, Swahili etc. Terms like Africa, Kenya, West Africa mean nothing as far as race goes-they are imposed artifical borders from the colonial days.
The English would be well up there also.

[GazOC]

The Irish are not indiginous to Ireland......."Irish" is not a race.

[mattdonnellon]

The Irish are not indiginous to Ireland......."Irish" is not a race.

How do you reckon that? I'M Irish and can trace my ancestry for hundreds of years in a celtic irish linage. Where do you think the Irish race are from?

A race is "a group of persons related by common decent".

[GazOC]

How do you reckon that? I'M Irish and can trace my ancestry for hundreds of years in a celtic irish linage. Where do you think the Irish race are from?

A race is "a group of persons related by common decent".

My names O'Connor and I'm of Irish heritage, but "Irish" isn't a race, its a nationality.

[WhataRock]

Irish is an ethnic group.
Ethnic groups change over time and are often redefined.

[Bummy Davis]

Joe Louis had Indian blood, I think Cheroke...there were a lot of old americans with Indian blood Dempsey for one

[kenmore]

Danny "Little Red" Lopez, WBC featherweight champion for 1976-80, was of Ute Indian descent.

[Seamus]

One could argue that almost all Mexican/Central and Southern American fighters are part "Native American".

And if you are going to go continental with African-American, try European-American.

This whole line of argumentation is anti-intellectual and in its most polite vein, silly.

[mattdonnellon]

My names O'Connor and I'm of Irish heritage, but "Irish" isn't a race, its a nationality.
A race is "a group of persons related by common decent".
Being a nationality does not preclude a group from being a "race".
But it's all getting a little pedantic.

[PowerPuncher]

native american indian champions?

Dempsey, many blacks are also part native american

[PowerPuncher]

To lump all Africian Americans together is incorrect, ethnically they could be from Kenya, Nigeria, Uganda etc or more properly from their original tribes. ?

Most African Americans black ancestory decends from west african tribes, but most african americans have european and some native american

[Ezzard]

Dempsey and Louis were of native American descent...

Problem with this kind of debate is that race is such a difficult thing to pin-point.

Ali had an Irish Grandparent. Didn't Burley have an Irish parent? Also throw in that some heritages are held more closely than others... So people would describe themselves as Jewish-American (and for that you don't need to be descended from promised land or even the diapsora) but not say English-American.

Then add in the slavery breeding program that African-Americans and West Indians were subject to (essentially breeding physically superior slaves whilst weeding out those with lesser physical capabilities)...

You end up with something that doesn't prove anything.

[Chinxkid]

Which ever was the poorest at the time...

The Irish had their turn, the Jews, the Italians, then the blacks, followed by the Latinos. Next could be the Iraqis or the Afghans, coming out of the soon to be bustling Little Baghdads and Kabuls of New York, Chicago and L.A. Then again, if the American economy continues to tank all bets are off, and you could see a reemergence in the game, as established Americans have to strip off their white collars and three piece Armanis and cup 'em, wrap 'em, and lace 'em.

[Bummy Davis]

Right now its the Russians but everyone had there chance....Seems like Americans period think the sport is too gruiling and Boxing has a bad end for most

[punchy]

I think the afro american's have dominated with their super athleticism although the eastern europeans are doing well now.

[Seamus]

I think the afro american's have dominated with their super athleticism although the eastern europeans are doing well now.


i'm not sure what "athleticism" really means. greatest athlete- based on pure speed, jumping ability, agility and strength? Roman Sebrle, a czech and probably a shitty boxer.

reason african-americans have been so successful at boxing? they've been pissed on by the powers that be for 400+ years and have only relatively recently been given access to achieve something outside of sport.

almost as a rule boxing is the domain of the oppressed and impoverished.