In this topic, we post commonly heard stupid opinions.

[Shake]

'Mike Tyson didn't box, he was a streetfighter!'

[Bazooka]

Vitali Klitschko is rated #3 ATG

[.trunzx]

Lennox Lewis is rated #3 ATG

[brooklyn1550]

As long as you weren't afraid of Mike Tyson, you would beat him

Pernell Whitaker wasn't very good offensively

[JAM Killer]

Duran is the best fighter ever.

Duran is in the top 5

Duran is in the top 10

Mike Tyson was never really a great fighter

Bernard Hopkins never really fought anybody

Roy Jones never really fought anybody

[caballo]

Most ridiculous and annoying: If you never boxed your opinion doesn't count!

[brooklyn1550]

Roberto Duran and Marvin Hagler were simply come forward brawlers

[BeamBlack]

Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a "runner."

[rvk2007]

Roy needs to retire before he gets starched again

[Thread Stealer]

"Marvin Hagler was a slugger/brawler who always came forward"

[Bazooka]

Most ridiculous and annoying: If you never boxed your opinion doesn't count!

Thats true, but people who have boxed have more of a personal perspective of things, while people who havent really dont know what its like for example taking a good body shot, some people say that the De La Hoya Hopkins fight was a perfect Body shot, others myself included say the fight was a fix, now how would one know this truthfully had they never boxed?
I can break down why that fight was a fix easily, but the person I am telling this to had they never boxed would really beleive it anyways because they have not experienced that kind of shot

[acb]

Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a "runner."

Floyd Mayweather Jr is a better fighter than SRL or SRR.

[Mrboogie23]

man there are far too many to mention just one.

I like the one that says "If you stood up to Mike Tyson he'd crumble."

[acb]

Most ridiculous and annoying: If you never boxed your opinion doesn't count!

I agree with this opinion to a degree. I find that people here that havent boxed (at least competitive, real sparring with several different styles) have this idea that you can rank one fighter above another based on a skill set, how flashy they look, etc.

One example, someone in another thread said that SRR shouldnt have lost to an opponent such as Lamotta. This poster based that opinion on Lamotta not having a high degree of skill level. First, he was not an unskilled brawler. And second (and this is where ring experience pays dividends), an iron chinned, conditioned, come forward, willfull, tough as nails fighter like Lamotta is a bitch to deal with no matter what his skill level. Look at the shots SRR (a very hard puncher) put on him without buckling him. On top of that, SRR beat him 5 of 6 times.

[Napoleon]

"Bernard Hopkins is overrated."

[El Bombasto]

floyd mayweather is top 5 atg

[El Bombasto]

floyd mayweather is top 10 atg

[acb]

floyd mayweather is top 5 atg

Oh and then there is this. :dead

[El Bombasto]

floyd mayweather is top 15 atg

[El Bombasto]

floyd mayweather is top 20 atg

[El Bombasto]

floyd mayweather is top 25 atg

[El Bombasto]

floyd mayweather is top 30 atg

[El Bombasto]

floyd mayweather is top 35 atg

[El Bombasto]

floyd mayweather is top 40 atg

[Bazooka]

El Bom---

Relax give the meds time to kick in son

[brooklyn1550]

I'll help you out with one

floyd mayweather is top 45 atg

[El Bombasto]

floyd mayweather is top 45 atg

[El Bombasto]

you get the picture

[Toopretty]

The hatton that fought an old flat footed Tsyu, will surely beat mayweather. That is by far the most ridiculous baseless comment I have seen in weeks. To me that is saying b/c ODH was able to knock out Mayorga he was going to knock out floyd easy. That was the stupidest thing a few months back.

[Bazooka]

We get your point, Mrs. Hatton.:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[acb]

The hatton that fought an old flat footed Tsyu, will surely beat mayweather. That is by far the most ridiculous baseless comment I have seen in weeks. To me that is saying b/c ODH was able to knock out Mayorga he was going to knock out floyd easy. That was the stupidest thing a few months back.

How bout that Hatton fought an old, flat footed Tszyu? :-(

Did you say he was old before the Hatton fight, did you predict a Hatton win?

What signs did you see of Kosta slowing down previous to the Hatton fight?

[Lampley]

"James Toney would have beaten Roy Jones if he hadn't been weight-drained."

"Jones only beat Hopkins because Hopkins was green."

"You have to take the title from the champion."

"Jim Lampley does a terrible job and should be replaced."

"Don King is responsible for the most great fights in boxing history." (Someone actually posted that once.)

[Bazooka]

How bout that Hatton fought an old, flat footed Tszyu? :-(

Did you say he was old before the Hatton fight, did you predict a Hatton win?

What signs did you see of Kosta slowing down previous to the Hatton fight?

I would say his injurys were an indicater that his body was shutting down, but he still fought like a young man, I mean what did Tyson show you that would make you think he would quit against McBride? you cant see whats on the inside, sometimes fighters just lose their guts.

[acb]

I would say his injurys were an indicater that his body was shutting down, but he still fought like a young man, I mean what did Tyson show you that would make you think he would quit against McBride? you cant see whats on the inside, sometimes fighters just lose their guts.

Im just tired of PBF huggers discrediting Hattons best win by saying Kosta was washed up. I didnt see signs he was slowing down until the Hatton fight, so I would tend to want to give Hatton credit for that.

[ravtrav]

JMM Schooled Pac

[brooklyn1550]

Boxing is dying

[El Bombasto]

JMM Schooled Pac

schooled him all the way to a draw

[Toopretty]

Im just tired of PBF huggers discrediting Hattons best win by saying Kosta was washed up. I didnt see signs he was slowing down until the Hatton fight, so I would tend to want to give Hatton credit for that.
I didnt say washed up, not at all. But not prime and coming off a long layoff like ODH..Having injuries like ODH. And the point I am trying to make that TSYU is a flat footed statue type fighter. I mean is a great flat footed fighter but the way you say hatton can do to floyd what he did to tysu is completely moronic to me b/c of the style of the fighter. The same clown that says that Tsyu was this and that say ODH was shot and past it fighting floyd. To me ODH, the wins were equal. Hatton didnt dominate tsyu...tsyu quite on his stool and could of won the fight still if he was not just done from fatigue. That was a close fight. REMEMBER THAT. It aint like hatton walked through him. Hatton went through hell and had to fight the fight of his life to win. While tsyu was the same old tsyu and was not as hungry...Give me a break. I NEVER SAY SHOT. I say OLD..past prime but far from shot...ODH was/is not shot..the same way.

[acb]

I didnt say washed up, not at all. But not prime and coming off a long layoff like ODH..Having injuries like ODH. And the point I am trying to make that TSYU is a flat footed statue type fighter. I mean is a great flat footed fighter but the way you say hatton can do to floyd what he did to tysu is completely moronic to me b/c of the style of the fighter. The same clown that says that Tsyu was this and that say ODH was shot and past it fighting floyd. To me ODH, the wins were equal. Hatton didnt dominate tsyu...tsyu quite on his stool and could of won the fight still if he was not just done from fatigue. That was a close fight. REMEMBER THAT. It aint like hatton walked through him. Hatton went through hell and had to fight the fight of his life to win. While tsyu was the same old tsyu and was not as hungry...Give me a break. I NEVER SAY SHOT. I say OLD..past prime but far from shot...ODH was/is not shot..the same way.

Fair enough, you said old and flat footed and I said washed up.

Anyways, I understand your point but it was a good win for Hatton.

[McGrain]

Robinson didn't fight Burley because the money wasn't there.

Liston-Ali and Ali Liston were legit.

[Muchmoore]

man there are far too many to mention just one.

I like the one that says "If you stood up to Mike Tyson he'd crumble."

:good

Also, Roy Jones had a glass jaw and Marciano was too small to compete nowadays.

[andyZOR]

Calzaghe is ATG.

LOL :lol:

[surreal deal]

Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a "runner."
i know.more of a sprinter.

[surreal deal]

Thats true, but people who have boxed have more of a personal perspective of things, while people who havent really dont know what its like for example taking a good body shot, some people say that the De La Hoya Hopkins fight was a perfect Body shot, others myself included say the fight was a fix, now how would one know this truthfully had they never boxed?
I can break down why that fight was a fix easily, but the person I am telling this to had they never boxed would really beleive it anyways because they have not experienced that kind of shot
ive boxed.(ok only amateur)Why do you think it was fixed.dont disagree just curious.

[cross_trainer]

The people who think that "power" and "chin" are the only two qualities that exist in boxing. Almost as bad are those who think that "skill" is a quantity ("he has more skill") without defining what the skill consists of.

This ends up creating a rock-paper-scissors relationship:


Skill > Chin

Chin > Power

Power > Skill (unless you also have Chin)

Power + Skill < Power + Chin

Skill + Chin > Power + Chin





...and so on...

[kg0208]

Fighter A is better than Fighter B because he "destroys" his opponents.

Fighter A is a puncher, Fighter B is a boxer.

Then when they fight, they are so suprised when Fighter B kicks Fighter A's ass all over the ring. (Trinidad-Wright anyone?)

[Amsterdam]

Calzaghe is ATG.

He's a borderline ATG. The blowout of Kessler will seal it.

[Thom]

Bigtime9 is not the worst poster on this site.

If anybody says that they are retarded.

I don't know man, Bigtime and Carlito are in a dead heat if you ask me.

[kg0208]

I don't know man, Bigtime and Carlito are in a dead heat if you ask me.

:deal Carlito is more recent though. I wonder if he isn't just trolling for the sake of trolling.

[Thom]

:deal Carlito is more recent though. I wonder if he isn't just trolling for the sake of trolling.

And that's the great philosohpical question: Is Carlito trolling or just incredibly stupid. Either way, it's painful to watch.

[cross_trainer]

He's a borderline ATG. The blowout of Kessler will seal it.

It's difficult to determine this given that 168 is a truncated division--in the olden days it would have been part of lightheavyweight, so it has only a fraction of the past talent.

If we consider supermiddle as equivalent to any other division, then a win over Kessler and winning back the IBF will make him an indisputable ATG.

[BlueApollo]

Almost as bad are those who think that "skill" is a quantity ("he has more skill") without defining what the skill consists of.

I'm not sure quantifying "skill" is as stupid as it is lazy. If I think Floyd will decision Hatton based on superior defence, timing, and footwork, why not save a few words and say he's the more skilled fighter?

[Toopretty]

Fighter A is better than Fighter B because he "destroys" his opponents.

Fighter A is a puncher, Fighter B is a boxer.

Then when they fight, they are so suprised when Fighter B kicks Fighter A's ass all over the ring. (Trinidad-Wright anyone?)


PERFECT example

[kg0208]

PERFECT example

Of?

[cross_trainer]

I'm not sure quantifying "skill" is as stupid as it is lazy. If I think Floyd will decision Hatton based on superior defence, timing, and footwork, why not save a few words and say he's the more skilled fighter?

That's true. I'm referring to those posters who say things like "Wlad is bigger, more powerful, and more skilled than Ali, so he'd beat him". They don't quantify how he's more skilled, though. No technical analysis. Sometimes, "skilled" becomes interchangeable with "good".

The worst example is the big-skilled-good-chin quadrangle. If he beat bigger fighters, he must be better than someone who beat smaller fighters, which means he's more skilled. He also got hit by fighters who are bigger (and who also must be more skilled, using the reasoning above), so he has a better chin, which makes him better, and so on.

[BlueApollo]

That's true. I'm referring to those posters who say things like "Wlad is bigger, more powerful, and more skilled than Ali, so he'd beat him". They don't quantify how he's more skilled, though. No technical analysis. Sometimes, "skilled" becomes interchangeable with "good".

The worst example is the big-skilled-good-chin quadrangle. If he beat bigger fighters, he must be better than someone who beat smaller fighters, which means he's more skilled. He also got hit by fighters who are bigger (and who also must be more skilled, using the reasoning above), so he has a better chin, which makes him better, and so on.

Ah, I see. It's got to be some convoluted logic if it ends with Klitschko > Ali.

:admin

[Alo2006]

We get your point, Mrs. Hatton.


:rofl

[Andrey]

Fighter A is better than Fighter B because he "destroys" his opponents.

Fighter A is a puncher, Fighter B is a boxer.

Then when they fight, they are so suprised when Fighter B kicks Fighter A's ass all over the ring. (Trinidad-Wright anyone?)


Very good observation?? This is why people think prime Tyson was sucha beast.

So Tyson KO's Spinks in one while Holmes takes him to distance.


Prime Holmes still destroys Tyson.



Andrey

[hooligan]

Prime Holmes still destroys Tyson

[cross_trainer]

Ah, I see. It's got to be some convoluted logic if it ends with Klitschko > Ali.

:admin

I'd expect the same thing from someone saying Ali > Klitschko. Technical analysis is much more than simply declaring one fighter "better".

[Amsterdam]

It's difficult to determine this given that 168 is a truncated division--in the olden days it would have been part of lightheavyweight, so it has only a fraction of the past talent.

If we consider supermiddle as equivalent to any other division, then a win over Kessler and winning back the IBF will make him an indisputable ATG.

SMW is currently superior to the MW division, does this help? The SMW crop is rather good, it was strong in the late 90's, weak through the early 2000's but strengthened up well recently.

Just analyse the fighters without a need for 'names', you'll see. It's one of my favourite divisions even if Calzaghe leaves, I don't feel the best at MW would have any success if they fought the best at SMW.

So it's absolutely equivalent to the other divisions, one of the best in boxing at the moment.

[BewareofDawg]

Buster Douglas DIDN'T beat a Prime Tyson.

If James Toney TRAINED he could be Heavyweight Champion.

Vitali Klitschko has no heart.

Wladamir Klitschko has no heart.

Manny Pacs Mustache is cool :yikes

[BewareofDawg]

Lennox Lewis is rated #3 ATG
I have him at #3 All-time Heavyweight :D

[DamonD]

If you weren't afraid of Mike Tyson, you'd beat him.

That's part of the way to be able to beat Mike, but not the be-all-and-end-all it's made out to be.

[Lacyace]

If you weren't afraid of Mike Tyson, you'd beat him.

I swear just 2 seconds ago I was going to post that.

Arturo Gatti is a HOF. Uh, no he's not. He had a couple of good to great fights, so what? You don't get in for having great fights, you get in for being a great fighter. There's a key difference. I think his fights are overrated anyway so hell no to that.

[marting]

The comments that irk me are the people that roll out the excuses for fighters poor performances. The only ones that don't bother me are fighters taking fights on 2 or 3 day notice or fighting with medically verified injuries.

But when I hear someone say, "oh he didn't train seriously, or took them lightly, or he had a bad training camp," I cringe. Part of being a fighter is being ready on consistent basis. If a fighter loses focus and gets his ass knocked out and says he didn't train properly, I'm sorry but that just carries little weight with me. It really just says the fighter is inconsistent.

[2smart4u]

I'd expect the same thing from someone saying Ali > Klitschko. Technical analysis is much more than simply declaring one fighter "better".:D But if people dont grasp what should be obvious why do you think they will grasp some over analisis ? I mean do you think there is a need technically analize to determine size is an advantage ( VLAD or LL ) as is power (TYSON or GEORGE ) mental toughness ( ALI or MARCIANO) speed ( JONES or ALI ) or combinations of the mentioned skills ? :bbb Its all conjecture and opinion no matter how long and drawn out the analisis ! I mean sometimes saying to much is like sitting at a long wedding ceromony when people just want you to get it over already ! Cheers ! :good

[Grabonator]

"Marvin Hagler was a slugger/brawler who always came forward"

Whats wrong with that?? :huh

[Guru_Too_You]

Duran is not in my top 5 and definitely not the greatest, but to say anyone that thinks he's top 10 is stupid is stupid on your part.



He's a legendary Duran detractor.

[Guru_Too_You]

If fighter A beats Fighter B........ and Fighter B beats fighter C......... then Fighter A surely beats Fighter C.

[Thread Stealer]

Whats wrong with that?? :huh

Hagler was a boxer-puncher. He was a versatile fighter who could also brawl.

For some reason, people watch the Hearns fight and the latter rounds against Mugabi, and think Hagler usually fought like that.

I can't tell you how many times I've read ridiculous statements like "Hagler was always pressuring and coming forward, wearing guys out, but he wasn't all that skilled".

[pipe wrenched]

commonly heard stupid opinion: Malignagi is NOT gay!:lol:

[cross_trainer]

:D But if people dont grasp what should be obvious why do you think they will grasp some over analisis ? I mean do you think there is a need technically analize to determine size is an advantage ( VLAD or LL ) as is power (TYSON or GEORGE ) mental toughness ( ALI or MARCIANO) speed ( JONES or ALI ) or combinations of the mentioned skills ? :bbb Its all conjecture and opinion no matter how long and drawn out the analisis ! I mean sometimes saying to much is like sitting at a long wedding ceromony when people just want you to get it over already ! Cheers ! :good
What you call "overanalysis" is just boxing knowledge and common sense. Most people can--and do--do it.

Much better than "He's bigger, so he hits harder AND has more skill".

[dave82]

Calzaghe is ATG.

Agreed

[psychopath]

Calzaghe is ATG.


Lmao!

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

:good

[JAM Killer]

Duran is the best fighter ever.

Duran is in the top 5

Duran is in the top 10

Mike Tyson was never really a great fighter

Bernard Hopkins never really fought anybody

Roy Jones never really fought anybody

What a great quote.

[Larson]

Calz is an ATG

[Symphenyceo]

Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a "runner."



:good

[C HOP]

"peter Manfredo has gained my respect"

[RafaelGonzal]

Roy needs to retire before he gets starched again



Hey thats a good post, what the fuck!!!!

[RafaelGonzal]

:good

Also, Roy Jones had a glass jaw and Marciano was too small to compete nowadays.

this also has merit what the fuck?

[KO Boxing]

I'm gonna follow the herd: Calzaghe is an atg

[PH|LLA]

isn't that the topic of the general forum

[jecxbox]

When a fight was close by about 2 rounds difference but then we get the cry baby fuckers stating:

"FIGHTER "A" WAS ROBBED BY FIGHTER "B"!!!!!!!




cry me a fucking river whining sluts

[victor879]

(Insert Fighter Name Here) is a bum, etc.



I don't feel you should ever disrespect somebody that gets in the ring for a living. It's a sport, a punishing one, and somebody must lose... cut the guy a break.

[Hrak]

Manny Pacquia has a chance against Floyd.

[Marc]

Floyd Mayweather isn't a draw.

[hazza]

dumb things i see posted on boxing boards:

1. p4p rankings.
2. fighter a beats fighter b. fighter b beats fighter c. therefore fighter a automatically beats c.
3. mike tyson was a one dimensional slugger who folded if you took him late or weren't scared of him.
4. spinks was nothing but a blown up lt hw
5. championship rds 10 11 12 score more pts than other rds
6. rds 13 14 15 were removed due to fighters' health and not to fit tv time slots
7. prime larry holmes would smoke prime mike tyson
8. prime lennox lewis would smoke prime mike tyson
9. bruce lee would kill mike tyson
10. kostya tszyu got lucky against zab judah
11. joe cortez unfairly penalised ricky hatton
12. larry holmes is the greatest hw of the 80s
13. muhammed ali struggled against george foreman
14. rocky marciano was undefeated therefore is the best hw ever
15. fighter a is more ripped at the weigh in, therefore he should win over fighter b

thats all i can think of now. theres more i'm sure. feel free to disagree

[hazza]

Fighter A is better than Fighter B because he "destroys" his opponents.

Fighter A is a puncher, Fighter B is a boxer.

Then when they fight, they are so suprised when Fighter B kicks Fighter A's ass all over the ring. (Trinidad-Wright anyone?)

the vic darchinian fight comes to mind there. i'm glad he got koed. ungraceful punk

[KO Boxing]

10. kostya tszyu got lucky against zab judah
I like this one. :good

Stupid, stupid opinion... In my opinion. :D

[kg0208]

the vic darchinian fight comes to mind there. i'm glad he got koed. ungraceful punk

Absolutely:good

[cardstars]

the greatest boxer to ever live was rocky balboa

[MacManJr.]

Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a "runner."Worst 1 ever!

[lbarrow]

Marciano beats ali prime 4 prime.
this has been said a lot.
ali is quite a small heavy but still weighs almost 2 stone more than marciano and he would box him out of it. i personally think hed beat him the way mayweather beat hatton. not exactly the same but he would be just as strong as marciano who is known as the bulldog of the two and his handspeed and skill would do it along with chin no way would marciano beat ali

[ApatheticLeader]

This thread COULD have been good. But nope, it's just become a thread for fans/haters of certain fighters to do what they do best. What a pity...