View Full Version : Mijares vs Elite of 115lbs All-Time
the cobra
10-24-2008, 06:56 PM
Christian Mijares is one of the best all-around fighters in the game today, to those who have seen footage of past great fighters at 115, how does he do in a H2H sense against each of the best since the weightclass has been established?
Watanabe, Galaxy, Tapia, Roman, Moon, and so on.
Mantequilla
10-24-2008, 07:23 PM
I think we need to wait till his career is played out before we really know how he will fare against the elite retired fighters.
he could show some real stylistic vulnerabilities in one of his next fights against a lesser opponent for all we know.He is a very good fighter though and i like him.
Right now i'm inclined to favour them all over him to varying degrees.I don't think he would be an easy fight for anyone.
He's a lot more skilled than Galaxy or Moon overall.I don't know how he would cope with the power and pressure those guys bring(and we know Moon can beat a skilled boxer puncher like Konadu)as though he can slip punches well, he likes to mix things up, while not being a particularly notable mover.
Galaxy would be his most likely victim style wise and i could see him bothering Watanabe due to Jiro's tendency to neglect his jab.
WhataRock
10-24-2008, 08:40 PM
Its hard at this stage, his dominance is only starting to begin and he really needs to take care of his other rivals first like Montiel, Vic and Donaire.
I agree with you Mantequilla,that on paper his skills would trump guys like Moon and Galaxy at least for a while. But both guys were very strong and relentless, hard to say if he could stick to him gameplan, especially over 15.
I personally think he would have a very decent chance against Tapia, that would be a great matchup and if Mijares keeps on winning Id be inclined to favour him later on.
the cobra
10-24-2008, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by Mantequilla
I think we need to wait till his career is played out before we really know how he will fare against the elite retired fighters.
he could show some real stylistic vulnerabilities in one of his next fights against a lesser opponent for all we know.He is a very good fighter though and i like him.
Right now i'm inclined to favour them all over him to varying degrees.I don't think he would be an easy fight for anyone.
He's a lot more skilled than Galaxy or Moon overall.I don't know how he would cope with the power and pressure those guys bring(and we know Moon can beat a skilled boxer puncher like Konadu)as though he can slip punches well, he likes to mix things up, while not being a particularly notable mover.
Galaxy would be his most likely victim style wise and i could see him bothering Watanabe due to Jiro's tendency to neglect his jab.
Of the fighters listed, who do you consider the best? I've only seen a small amount of Watanabe, Galaxy, and Tapia, but nothing yet of Roman or Moon.
WhataRock
10-24-2008, 09:33 PM
Of the fighters listed, who do you consider the best? I've only seen a small amount of Watanabe, Galaxy, and Tapia, but nothing yet of Roman or Moon.
I think there is some film of Roman on the Tube cobra.
He had a good mix of skill and athletic ability, good counter puncher from what Ive seen.
And Im pretty sure of Moon aswell. He is good value.
the cobra
10-24-2008, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by WhataRock
I think there is some film of Roman on the Tube cobra.
He had a good mix of skill and athletic ability, good counter puncher from what Ive seen.
And Im pretty sure of Moon aswell. He is good value.
I'll have to check it out. I haven't looked at Youtube yet.
Of the film you've seen, who of those listed was most impressive to you?
Granted it's a small amount I have seen of each and as Mantequilla stated it's a bit too early in Mijares' career to tell, but I've yet to see anything from Watanabe, Tapia, or Galaxy that impresses me anymore than he does, but I'll need more footage to make any real decision on how he stacks up with those others.
Raging B(_)LL
10-25-2008, 12:05 PM
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And Im pretty sure of Moon aswell. He is good value.
Yes he is. Very crude stylewise but the man possessed frightening power, had an indomitable will to win and was always on the attack. Mijares had the right style to make a complete monkey out of him however, but Moon was relentless and would just keep putting on the pressure and hitting him anywhere he could. Mijares wasn`t much of a mover which means he will get hit as a result even though his defense is very good, but fifteen rounds is a long time in the ring with someone as relentless and hard-hitting as the Korean.
Either Mijares stops him on cuts as Moon was a bleeder or Moon breaks him down and stops him in the last third of the fight while behind on points in a highly entertaining scrap. As it stands going on what Mijares has shown us so far I think he holds his own with anyone at the weight in the division`s history, but wether or not he comes out on top against the elites remains to be seen and I will wait until his career is over to make that assessment.
Sweet Pea
10-25-2008, 12:19 PM
I honestly believe Mijares is the best all around fighter in the game today, power aside. It's true he isn't a big mover, but his defense, upper-body movement, and ability to maintain distance with subtle footwork allow him to keep out of harm just as effectively IMO, so I don't see his lack of bounce in his step as an issue. I see greatness in him. An early call I know, but we'll see what happens.
Mantequilla
10-25-2008, 12:55 PM
some of the youtube footage
Gilberto Roman [Only registered and activated users can see links]
watanabe [Only registered and activated users can see links]
Mantequilla
11-02-2008, 12:07 PM
Awful performance by Mijares.It's possible he underestimated Vic a bit, but he doesn't look good for beating Galaxy or especially Moon anymore.
It'll be interesting if he can turn this around.
Sweet Pea
11-02-2008, 12:10 PM
I honestly believe Mijares is the best all around fighter in the game today, power aside. It's true he isn't a big mover, but his defense, upper-body movement, and ability to maintain distance with subtle footwork allow him to keep out of harm just as effectively IMO, so I don't see his lack of bounce in his step as an issue. I see greatness in him. An early call I know, but we'll see what happens.And we saw what happened.....
I agree Mantequilla, the guy is clearly a very skilled fighter based on past performances, but he just looked terrible last night. Mentally he was done after the first knockdown and never got into any kind of rhythm. I mistook his flat out arrogance for confidence it seems.
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