Thoughts on Pascal and his future at 168?

[HECDAWG]

I was impressed with his speed and his shots to the body. He also throws good combonations, so tell me what u think.

[Goose]

i think that his cockiness and lack of defence will get him KOd soon

[rr94]

might sound crazy, but i'm questioning his ability to really put an opponent away. He landed great shots, great solid shots, and as Teddy pointed out he didn't turn over his hooks...his fist wasnt connecting he was just slapping with a glove. GREAT speed and velocity on the shots, and pretty accurate, but at 168 lbs. i expect a fighter that quick - accurate - and dominant for 12 rounds to put their guy away if they've been off for 20 months and last fought losing by KO.

Great propsect, just think there's kinks in the armor and his punching power is suspect. Did he bust his hands in the end, it seemed like it? B/c brittle hands wont help him too well either.

[a.arthur.h]

He's not a power puncher in the purest sense. He is mainly an elusive speed fighter. Though he certainly has to tighten his defense up a lot if he hopes to make it to the top. I think that if he can slow down just a notch(not his punch speed, his overall hyperness) he can do well. When he got Ikeke in trouble he wasn't taking the time to place his shots, he was just smothering with combinations hoping to catch him.

I think given time and proper training he can be a force in the division. But he has a ways to go, especially in the defensive department. He was getting hit with a bit to many shots for my liking.

[Rock0052]

He's built like Lacy, but without the power, killer instinct, and I'll go as far as to say without Lacy's skill, but I'd say he's quicker.

He's got the potential to be a solid contender if he's not too cocky to work on things, but I don't think he's a better prospect than Bute was/is.

[Tko4]

might sound crazy, but i'm questioning his ability to really put an opponent away. He landed great shots, great solid shots, and as Teddy pointed out he didn't turn over his hooks...his fist wasnt connecting he was just slapping with a glove. GREAT speed and velocity on the shots, and pretty accurate, but at 168 lbs. i expect a fighter that quick - accurate - and dominant for 12 rounds to put their guy away if they've been off for 20 months and last fought losing by KO.

Great propsect, just think there's kinks in the armor and his punching power is suspect. Did he bust his hands in the end, it seemed like it? B/c brittle hands wont help him too well either.
He struggled to put his last opponent away, too. He battered the guy for 10 rounds with shot after shot, and eventually got the TKO, but he never outright KOed him. I can name a bunch of guys at 168 that would have put both Pascal's last two opponents away with ease given the opportunity. The guy is fast, so he gives the illusion of having great power. However, I think it's vastly overrated.

Pascal also tends to coast and only fight in spurts. During those spurts, he throws caution to the wind and pays 0 attention to defense. He also doesn't pay attention to technical rules. He tries to fight like Roy Jones, by leaping in, but he doesn't have the talent a prime Roy did. Unless you have God like talent, don't attempt to break all the rules. Berto learned that the hard way by getting knocked down in his last fight.

The other thing about Pascal is...I don't think he likes to get hit. Ikeke clipped him a couple times, and he really looked affected. The jab also bugged him in the early rounds. You could tell the feeling of his jaw being tested frustrated him. A fighter with straighter, more powerful punches than Ikeke will truly test that chin. And...

...I don't think it will end well for Pascal.

[H .]

He did okay. Good but not great. Put him in with Bute :hey

[Rock0052]

He did okay. Good but not great. Put him in with Bute :hey

Terrible matchup for him at this point unless he tightens up that defense.

Unless you want to see him lose, then it's a great matchup :lol:.

[a.arthur.h]

I like his talent. Good quick hand speed and he likes to work the body.

I just don't like the way he likes to jump in and neglect defense. He's got the talent to go far in this division but he still has much to learn in the way of craft and not getting over-confident. Confidence like that might get him caught and KOed in the future if he doesn't learn to settle himself down.
Agree with that completely :thumbsup. He does need to settle down and tighten up his defense. I've seen 14 of his pro fights, and he has taken some good hard shots, but those were shots he didn't need to take. I'm not too worried about his chin..which is allowing him to get by on his lack of defense. But if he gets to the top and things don't change, a guy like a Calzaghe would just throw shots straight down the pipe and tear him apart over 12 rounds.

He's got the talent, but sooner or later he needs to improve his defense, or he is going to learn the hard way.

[BlueApollo]

The Andre Berto of 168. But for some reason, I like Berto much better.

[Rock0052]

Agree with that completely :thumbsup. He does need to settle down and tighten up his defense. I've seen 14 of his pro fights, and he has taken some good hard shots, but those were shots he didn't need to take. I'm not too worried about his chin..which is allowing him to get by on his lack of defense. But if he gets to the top and things don't change, a guy like a Calzaghe would just throw shots straight down the pipe and tear him apart over 12 rounds.

He's got the talent, but sooner or later he needs to improve his defense, or he is going to learn the hard way.

Agreed. The other part of the equation is, he needs to adjust his style if he doesn't have the power to end fights earlier. One reason someone like Roy could get away with fighting like that (aside from the obvious speed and skill) is that Roy could end the fight with one combo. I don't think Pascal's got that, and that's an integral part of the style.

[rr94]

wait til Carlito comes on and starts claims Margarito could whoop Pascal at 168...

i dont think a day goes by without him with both fists tightly clenching the hair on Margarito's nutsack

[HECDAWG]

I agree with most of what is being said , but I think he already beats Allen Green maybe Lacy could also match speed with mundane.

[geppy]

I am not so sure Pascal can even beat Sakio Bika. Pascal is way to easy to hit , and lacks power. Bika is very tough, relentless and can punch.

[Quik]

Come on Pascal was studying at the Police school for the last 2 yrs to be in the swat. Now that his studies are finished, he can dedicate himself fully to boxing.

[Quik]

He will eventually be at the top of the division.

[Leipziger]

It is seldom that one sees such an unconvincing performance in such a dominating victory. Pascal has the tools and skill but is not using them properly. This fight was night and day when compared with Bute's last fight. A poorer than advertised opponent in Ikeke in a fight in which both fighters seemed afraid to get hit. Pascal seems to have some power but wasn't able to put it together in good combinations and wasn't willing to risk getting hit to really go on the offensive. This despite Ikeke not seeming to have much power. Compare this to Bute against Bika in which both fighters showed great skill while fighting aggressively without fear. At this point I think Bute would easily defeat Pascal and wouldn't be surprised if Bika would as well. Very disappointing and boring fight.

[geppy]

Come on Pascal was studying at the Police school for the last 2 yrs to be in the swat. Now that his studies are finished, he can dedicate himself fully to boxing.

Pascal thinks he is RJJ or Hopkins, but he has about half the talent. Pascal has a shit defense, he doesnt have at all the reflexes like Hopkins/ Jones do at reacting to punches. Basically Pascal is an elusive, speed fighter, who is not that elusive.

[geppy]

He will eventually be at the top of the division.

I dont like Anthony Mundine, but he would outbox/ outspeed Pascal so badly, much less even Calzaghe or Kessler.

[MJRJJ23]

Like many others said. I liked what I seen out of Pascal against a taller decent fighter, nothing wrong with Ikeke at this point in Pascal's career. i think physically and technically with a little bit of work he has the tools to be a major force, The one problem I see with him is mentally. It seemed to me that he was so confident and thinks that he's so great that he got lazy multiple times and even got tagged a couple times. The only other thing I would tell him to work in his his punching technique, because with his speed and the pop he seems to have it seemed that alot of them weren't extremely effective. Anyways If he dont fix the mental problem he'll be the next Zab Judah. Also showing your opponent that you hurt your hand is a BIG no no

[nervousxtian]

He's damn lucky that Ikeke isn't a puncher. Despite the crazy crowd and Teddy's rambling love affair with Pascal, he never really had Ikeke hurt, and Ikeke is a guy who's a highlight film KO waiting to happen for a puncher.. but Pascal has loud shots, not hard shots it seems.

He also looked like he got buzzed a few times by Ikeke, who isn't a hard puncher.

Not impressed by this prospect, and he's cocky, and when he fights a guy with a punch he's gonna be on queer street by the 5th round.

[david6w]

pascal did well but who of the champs can he beat?? my prev posts are being echoed here... no defense.

[WhataRock]

I think Adonis Steveson looks more promsing.

Solid contender, nothing more.
I havent seen the fight but the fact he didnt stop Ikeke is a little worrying for his fans.

[DoinDamage]

He's damn lucky that Ikeke isn't a puncher. Despite the crazy crowd and Teddy's rambling love affair with Pascal, he never really had Ikeke hurt, and Ikeke is a guy who's a highlight film KO waiting to happen for a puncher.. but Pascal has loud shots, not hard shots it seems.

He also looked like he got buzzed a few times by Ikeke, who isn't a hard puncher.

Not impressed by this prospect, and he's cocky, and when he fights a guy with a punch he's gonna be on queer street by the 5th round.

:good :good
Ikeke actually did a little better than Atlas and Tessitore were giving him credit for. While they were rambling on and on like a broken record, Ikeke was outworking Pascal a bit in the early rounds. Pascal clearly won the fight (I scored it 8-4), but he takes too many breaks in rounds.

[IntentionalButt]

any top SMW puts him on his ass lickety split.

[Flatlander]

I was impressed with his speed and his shots to the body. He also throws good combonations, so tell me what u think.

I felt he lacked speed. He didn't throw proper punches. His combinations were not tight. His defense is porous and he looked like a Roy Jones Wannabe.

[Flatlander]

:good :good
Ikeke actually did a little better than Atlas and Tessitore were giving him credit for. While they were rambling on and on like a broken record, Ikeke was outworking Pascal a bit in the early rounds. Pascal clearly won the fight (I scored it 8-4), but he takes too many breaks in rounds.

I had it 8 - 4 also :good

[freethinker]

Pascal has so many flaws in his game. He has no defense and he can't seem to finish his opponents. Every time he had Ikeke in trouble he would start throwing his ridiculously wide hooks hitting Ikeke's shoulders, arms and gloves. When he's looking for the KO, he gets so inaccurate and becomes wide open for counter punching. I've been paying attention to his career for a while now and I'm just waiting for a good counter puncher to put him down for the count.

Imagine a prime James Toney, fighting at SMW, taking on Pascal :rofl

[IntentionalButt]

Imagine a prime James Toney, fighting at SMW, taking on Pascal :rofl

I abhorr senseless violence. :barf

[Pimp C]

This guy has future champ written all over him. What's not to like?:-( Ikeke is no bum he'll give anyone a good fight at 168.

[Pimp C]

Pascal can be a good contender, I hope for him to be a champion, but he is not my boy Lucian Bute...

And damn, I hope that soon a guy is gonna KO Adonis Stevenson BADLY, this fuckin cunt is an asshole, being a pimp, raping+gangbang girl who are not major, beating girl..
I know that our opinion should be based on the guy in the ring but what he did was just too bad..
Let me ask you something. Montreal seems to be a hot bed of young talent right now. Do you have anymore young prospects that I should look out for?

[lefthook]

Let me ask you something. Montreal seems to be a hot bed of young talent right now. Do you have anymore young prospects that I should look out for?
From Montreal we have:
Ngoudjo(supposed to fight Malinaggi)
Alcine(he is already champ)
Diaconu(supposed to fight Dawson)
Bute(supposed to fight Alejandro Berrio)
Demers(lost against Abraham but will be back)
Stevenson(hot prospect)
And Jean Pascal of course

[BOGART]

Pascal has the potential to be a top 168 guy, he also has the potential to end up as just a typical fringe contender type. Depends on if he fixes some of his holes. Defensive lapses, laziness at times, sloppy at times, and lack of true killer instinct. I thought he was better this time than he was the other two times I saw him. He seemed to sure up some of his technical problems including using his jab nicely at times. The speed, reflexes, and athleticism are already some of the best in the division. I think he ends up correcting some of his problems and being a top super middleweight in a couple years. The fight mentioned with Alan Green would be excellent and would make him a top 10 guy if he won.

[Brickhaus]

Based solely on yesterday's performance and his record, I can't see Pascal being more than a gatekeeper. I'm much more excited about Bute and Frock in making noise at 168 in the future. I feel like guys like Berrio and even Veit would give Pascal a lot of trouble. Anyone with a good workrate or good technical skills should be able to beat him.

[Quik]

Based solely on yesterday's performance and his record, I can't see Pascal being more than a gatekeeper. I'm much more excited about Bute and Frock in making noise at 168 in the future. I feel like guys like Berrio and even Veit would give Pascal a lot of trouble. Anyone with a good workrate or good technical skills should be able to beat him.

Pascal can beat Froch and Berrio anytime man. Anytime.