Andre Dirrell: Running or Boxing? [Archive]

nervousxtian

06-17-2007, 12:33 PM

A bit of both.. I think Larry Merchant said it best.. to paraphrase "Dirrell believes in hit and don't be hit, but prefers the don't get hit part much more than the hitting part"

Also don't forget this was a huge step-up fight for Dirrell, and getting the win is the most important thing right now in only his 12th fight.

Executioner

06-17-2007, 12:35 PM

Didn't get to see the fight. Guess I was the lucky one.

trust me, you don't want to see it.

brooklyn1550

06-17-2007, 12:35 PM

Harold Lederman called it the worst fight he has ever seen

pipe wrenched

06-17-2007, 12:40 PM

That shit gives new meaning to the term running!! I have never seen no shit like that before. Then get to watch the next bout with ref. Cotton yelling "stop, stop, stop, stop" everytime Ndou got close to Malignaggi. Ndou's only chance with that ref was to outbox Paulie from the outside (which couldn't happen with Paulies hand speed)

nervousxtian

06-17-2007, 12:44 PM

Not the worst fight ever, not even close.

We need a hyperbole ban on this site.

Boom_Boom

06-17-2007, 12:48 PM

of course its boxing but the difference is

Malignaggi showed what the sweet science is all about
Dirrell showed what the sweet science isnt.

mightyd40

06-17-2007, 12:53 PM

You know most boxers never get to fight on HBO.You would think that given the chance Dirrell would have wanted to shine to get further dates with HBO.With how loud the crowd booed Dirrell I don't think you will see Dirrell on HBO for a long time.
i said the same thing last night.....its not like it was hbos biggest card ever, he should have taken a chance and maybe put his name out there a little more to the casual fan

Mrboogie23

06-17-2007, 12:54 PM

I agree, it was his shot on HBO to make a name for himself. he should have applied himself.

twenty1

06-17-2007, 01:18 PM

Running And Some More Running

Shotgun

06-17-2007, 01:21 PM

Not as bad as the way Spinks ran away from Mayorga, but still bad. But unlike that at least Dirrell landed some effective punches and didn't resort to just falling down and letting the ref bail him out when he got cornered

Lampley

06-17-2007, 01:24 PM

Running. No question. HBO would love to have a new American fighter to trumpet, especially given Andre Ward's problems, but Dirrell totally blew the opportunity. He needs to get busier and stop fighting like he's entitled to something.

Amsterdam

06-17-2007, 01:30 PM

Running, because he has a china chin and he didn't want to chance it, despite having the ability to own over Stevens badly.:lol:

Max Molyneux

06-17-2007, 01:34 PM

Why Is keeping distance running? If he's throwing back and moving that Is not running by logic.

Some here say the same about Cory Spinks.

Bazooka

06-17-2007, 01:44 PM

Harold Lederman called it the worst fight he has ever seen

Harold is an idiot, he also gave rounds in which Dirrell did nothing but run, I am sorry but in that case the aggressor should have gotten more credit.
HBO needs to re consider signing these type of fighters seriously

Shotgun

06-17-2007, 01:48 PM

Harold is an idiot, he also gave rounds in which Dirrell did nothing but run, I am sorry but in that case the aggressor should have gotten more credit.
HBO needs to re consider signing these type of fighters seriously

So true, I don't see why HBO agrees to even let someone like Spinks or Dirrell fight on the air. They know exactly what they're getting, and then act surprised. These guys are not just "pure boxers", they're terrified of getting hit and there's a difference. You know if they're fighting anyone whose halfway threatening they're going to stink the joint up because they're afraid of any contact

LeadLeftHook

06-17-2007, 01:55 PM

The two fights very well illustrated the difference between boxing and running. Dirrell ran period . Paulie boxed.

Bazooka

06-17-2007, 02:45 PM

All I am saying is that these kind of fighters get influenced by certain other fighters who do the same shit and call it skill, I am sorry I know its hit and dont be hit, But dirrell made Floyd look like Evander Holyfield last night, I aint even going to get going on the Paulie fight, he did dominate, Ndou just didnt have the tools to cut him off Paulie boxed, Dirrell ran big difference. and I hate Paulie!!

Sweet Jones

06-17-2007, 02:47 PM

Bazooka

06-17-2007, 02:49 PM

Boxing. If you want to see running, throw in a Larry Donald or Smoke Gainer tape.

I don't think it's an accident that the one guy who's actually been a professional fighter (Lewis) called it 'effective movement', while the never-been-in-the-ring 'color man' (Merchant) still expects everything to some Raging Bull isht.

Don't blame Direll because Curtis Stevens doesn't understand what to do. I think they even caught Stevens complaining in the corner that Direll 'wouldn't fight'. Young man, that's YOUR JOB to make him engage.

You are fucking crazy, the kid ran! sure its Dirrells job to cut the man off, but when the man in front of you is running there isnt much you can do, the man was not turning he wasnt stepping around the man was running as if he wanted to do his road work that night rather than box.

CASH_718

06-17-2007, 03:05 PM

Running, because he has a china chin and he didn't want to chance it, despite having the ability to own over Stevens badly.:lol:If he didn't run like a cunt Stevens would have laid him out.

CASH_718

06-17-2007, 03:08 PM

Boxing. If you want to see running, throw in a Larry Donald or Smoke Gainer tape.

I don't think it's an accident that the one guy who's actually been a professional fighter (Lewis) called it 'effective movement', while the never-been-in-the-ring 'color man' (Merchant) still expects everything to some Raging Bull isht.

Don't blame Direll because Curtis Stevens doesn't understand what to do. I think they even caught Stevens complaining in the corner that Direll 'wouldn't fight'. Young man, that's YOUR JOB to make him engage.When the other guy has faster feet then you and he flat out runs it's hard to "make" him engage or cut off the ring. SRL couldn't cut off the ring on Dirrell he ran so fast.

And fuck Lewis he's a jagoff.

Sweet Jones

06-17-2007, 03:09 PM

You are fucking crazy, the kid ran! sure its Dirrells job to cut the man off, but when the man in front of you is running there isnt much you can do, the man was not turning he wasnt stepping around the man was running as if he wanted to do his road work that night rather than box.

What??!!

How about hitting him in the body to take his legs away? How about muscling Direll to the ropes? How about actually cutting off the ring?

Stevens did NONE of those things. He was the shorter man with less reach, and made minimum attempt to get inside on Direll. And when he did, Direll either moved or popped him.

Stevens has ZERO clue how to deal with a mover. Which is shocking because everyone that's seen Direll fight knew that's EXACTLY what he would do.

CASH_718

06-17-2007, 03:09 PM

PBF and Winky fans see nothing wrong with Dirells style.Winky???? Winky comes foward and a fights moron!!!!!

CASH_718

06-17-2007, 03:12 PM

What??!!

How about hitting him in the body to take his legs away? How about muscling Direll to the ropes? How about actually cutting off the ring?

Stevens did NONE of those things. He was the shorter man with less reach, and made minimum attempt to get inside on Direll. And when he did, Direll either moved or popped him.

Stevens has ZERO clue how to deal with a mover. Which is shocking because everyone that's seen Direll fight knew that's EXACTLY what he would do.He couldn't the fuckin guy ran faster then him plain and simple. And Stevens was goin for the body for most of the fight but that old saying the head moves but the body don't was proved so very very wrong tonight.

When your opponent is 7 inches taller has a 2 inch(or more) reach advantage over you and he's faster(on his feet) and he just runs theres really nothing you can do about it.

Amsterdam

06-17-2007, 03:13 PM

If he didn't run like a cunt Stevens would have laid him out.

Absolutley, which was the point of my post. Stevens is not very good though.

CASH_718

06-17-2007, 03:14 PM

Absolutley, which was the point of my post. Stevens is not very good though.You fight with him he's good, you run from him..........not so good.

CASH_718

06-17-2007, 03:17 PM

All I ever see is Winky in a standing fetal position, throwing a few slaps her and there and getting back on his bike.Then you have been watching a different fighter. He came foward ALL NIGHT against Taylor except in the 12th round. Came foward all night vs Mosley, Trinidad, Vargas, Simon, Quartey, Soliman and every other opponent in the last 7 years. You have no fuckin clue what your talking about.

Shotgun

06-17-2007, 03:19 PM

You fight with him he's good, you run from him..........not so good.

If you're a tomato can and you fight with him, he's good. If you're not a tomato can, he's not

Stevens is painfully average and if he wasn't from Brooklyn you would agree. He'd be beaten by just about any top 20 super middleweight

CASH_718

06-17-2007, 03:23 PM

If you're a tomato can and you fight with him, he's good. If you're not a tomato can, he's not

Stevens is painfully average and if he wasn't from Brooklyn you would agree. He'd be beaten by just about any top 20 super middleweightOk whatever you say.

Sweet Jones

06-17-2007, 03:29 PM

He couldn't the fuckin guy ran faster then him plain and simple. And Stevens was goin for the body for most of the fight but that old saying the head moves but the body don't was proved so very very wrong tonight.

When your opponent is 7 inches taller has a 2 inch(or more) reach advantage over you and he's faster(on his feet) and he just runs theres really nothing you can do about it.

Man, you think Stevens is the first guy to have to deal with a mover? :roll:

If that's the case, then please explain how Tyson, Tua, Tito, Cotto, Pacquiao, and all the current punchers manage to wear down and eventually KNOCK OUT such guys.

And BTW, your boy Stevens' face looked pretty lumpy after the fight. Dirrell did WAAAY more than just run.

Shotgun

06-17-2007, 03:32 PM

Ok whatever you say.

Why do you think he's good? He's already lost twice before he's had 20 fights and, once to a journeyman with a bunch of losses the other to a prospect with 11 fights. Hasn't stepped up his competition from the tomato can/journeyman/prospect level and is already losing. Everyone he's knocked out has been a no namer, most of them tomato cans that have been KO'd repeatedly in the past

You're on his bandwagon because he's from Brooklyn. Not saying everyone you like has to be a star but the truth is the truth. Stevens is a decent fighter but nothing special. His skills are at best average and his power is not that great. What, besides him being from Brooklyn, makes you think he's a threat to any ranked boxer in the division?

CASH_718

06-17-2007, 03:33 PM

Man, you think Stevens is the first guy to have to deal with a mover? :roll:

If that's the case, then please explain how Tyson, Tua, Tito, Cotto, Pacquiao, and all the current punchers manage to wear down and eventually KNOCK OUT such guys.

And BTW, your boy Stevens' face looked pretty lumpy after the fight. Dirrell did WAAAY more than just run.He left eye was a little swollen he he marks up very easy.

geppy

06-17-2007, 04:17 PM

"After 10 rounds Dirrell only landed 98 punches. " Most of which were weak anyway, as Dirrell was constantly running. Horrendous fight, you probably wont see him on tv any time soon again.

Lampley

06-17-2007, 04:31 PM

Why do you think he's good? He's already lost twice before he's had 20 fights and, once to a journeyman with a bunch of losses the other to a prospect with 11 fights. Hasn't stepped up his competition from the tomato can/journeyman/prospect level and is already losing. Everyone he's knocked out has been a no namer, most of them tomato cans that have been KO'd repeatedly in the past

You're on his bandwagon because he's from Brooklyn. Not saying everyone you like has to be a star but the truth is the truth. Stevens is a decent fighter but nothing special. His skills are at best average and his power is not that great. What, besides him being from Brooklyn, makes you think he's a threat to any ranked boxer in the division?

Unfortunately, I agree. Even when Stevens threw multiple punches, they looked sloppy and disorganized. He never really set anything up, just lunged and then got caught out of position/tagged whenever Dirrell punched. I don't think Curtis is good enough to even be a gatekeeper.

I've already said my piece on Dirrell. If he hopes to make the big dollars, he'd better start to recognize where his opportunities are. Last night, he could have busted Stevens up and maybe even stopped him simply by digging in and throwing punches. He had very little to fear in return, and that way he'd have excited the fans and probably gotten another HBO date.

I talk shit about Spinks, but Cory fights the only way he can. Had he traded with Taylor, he'd have gotten KOd. What Dirrell did last night was much worse, doing just enough to win without really putting himself out there. He could have won that fight any number of ways.

rvk2007

06-17-2007, 04:41 PM

Fuck Dirrell. He is a pussy who is scared of Stevens. Stevens will go down to middleweight and dominate those fuckers just like how he does to most of his opponents.

1lehudson

06-17-2007, 04:58 PM

Dirrell like it or not is going to be a world champion. The thing is he is a work in progress, and with only 11 fights maybe he shouldnt have been on a tv fight already, not on HBO anyways. Is he fan friendly?? Not at all, will that stop him from being a world champ?? NOPE hasnt stopped other fighters with that style. HBO has a method to the madness of that fight. They know that Mags fight with Ndou would be boring as hell so they put that fight on first, they would have normally just shown the replay fight then the live fight its the way that they have always done it.

What gets me is how mags fought the same way except in a few spots were he would stop and throw a combo once or so a round, and some of you seem to think that it was SOOOO different. Spinks fights just like Mags but he is a runner??? HMM that sounds abit.............Well Im not going to go there, but you all know what Im talking about:hi:

1lehudson

06-17-2007, 05:00 PM

Fuck Dirrell. He is a pussy who is scared of Stevens. Stevens will go down to middleweight and dominate those fuckers just like how he does to most of his opponents.Yeah when they suck.....Stevens like I told Cash a week ago was an opponent, if not it was a fight that wouldnt have been made at that point in Dirrells career.

pit

06-17-2007, 05:04 PM

Running, because he has a china chin and he didn't want to chance it, despite having the ability to own over Stevens badly.:lol:

What are you kidding Steven's can lay wood, bring the mail all that shit , in short the boy can hit pretty dame hard for someone so short , derrell know if he stand in front of steven's for one sec too long it lights out to the body and head. so as far as dirrell owning stevens ?!?!? ant gone happen !!!:lol:

pit

06-17-2007, 05:08 PM

Yeah when they suck.....Stevens like I told Cash a week ago was an opponent, if not it was a fight that wouldnt have been made at that point in Dirrells career.

steven's sucks?! I highly doubt it he's 22 with 17 wins 12 Ko 2 losses that should really be only one becuase of a bull shit stoppage.. Stevens can fight and he can wac, IMO he is just too short to fight at 168 at 5'8 but his power is respected at that weight .

1lehudson

06-17-2007, 05:11 PM

steven's sucks?! I highly doubt it he's 22 with 17 wins 12 Ko 2 losses that should really be only one becuase of a bull shit stoppage.. Stevens can fight and he can wac, IMO he is just too short to fight at 168 at 5'8 but his power is respected at that weight .did I say he sucked??? I must have missed something......Stevens is a decent fighter, but for him to have 2 loses at this point isnt a good sign. The one last night isnt going to be a big deal cuz he was in with a guy that will be a world champion, but the other knockout lose..Well that isnt a good sign:hey

Lampley

06-17-2007, 05:12 PM

What gets me is how mags fought the same way except in a few spots were he would stop and throw a combo once or so a round, and some of you seem to think that it was SOOOO different. Spinks fights just like Mags but he is a runner??? HMM that sounds abit.............Well Im not going to go there, but you all know what Im talking about:hi:

You think? I don't see that at all. There's a huge difference between Malignaggi and Spinks/Dirrell. Trying to say this is racial is really lame.

Chileno606

06-17-2007, 05:12 PM

no way man, it was the sweet science at its best, hit and not get hit, technical masterpiece. if you don't like dirrell you don't like boxing.

any other cliches?

fagget. thats wasnt boxing, that was a disrgace

pit

06-17-2007, 05:19 PM

Why do you think he's good? He's already lost twice before he's had 20 fights and, once to a journeyman with a bunch of losses the other to a prospect with 11 fights. Hasn't stepped up his competition from the tomato can/journeyman/prospect level and is already losing. Everyone he's knocked out has been a no namer, most of them tomato cans that have been KO'd repeatedly in the past

You're on his bandwagon because he's from Brooklyn. Not saying everyone you like has to be a star but the truth is the truth. Stevens is a decent fighter but nothing special. His skills are at best average and his power is not that great. What, besides him being from Brooklyn, makes you think he's a threat to any ranked boxer in the division?

for one you need to see stevens fight he was winning his fight with Primera when he got caught with an upper cut but was still on his feet and still fighting when the ref stepped in and stopped the fight too early , Steven would avenge his loss to Primera by dominating him a second time with no hickups. @ 5'8 I will agree his ability is limited at 168 but at 160 and 154 if he decides to move down his power and boxing ability,he has a pretty good chance of ruling that devision.

pit

06-17-2007, 05:26 PM

did I say he sucked??? I must have missed something......Stevens is a decent fighter, but for him to have 2 loses at this point isnt a good sign. The one last night isnt going to be a big deal cuz he was in with a guy that will be a world champion, but the other knockout lose..Well that isnt a good sign:hey

Like I said before the first loss was due to a inexperienced ref stopping a fight that Stevens was dominating while still on his feet after being cought by shot he didn't see, he was rocked slightly but far from out on his feet.

it should also be noted that he came back to avenge that loss in the same fashion he dominated Primera.

RDJ

06-17-2007, 05:44 PM

Wasn't the ring pretty small? His opponent must have sucked if he was unable to keep him from running.

Alcaldemb

06-17-2007, 05:49 PM

Running. What Paulie did was boxing. Using head and upper body movement, putting combinations together. Dirrell wouldn't commit to a shot and just circled, that isn't boxing. Spinks, Floyd, Paulie, those guys are boxers, Dirrell is not.

Executioner

06-17-2007, 06:00 PM

it was a fucking disgrace..all Direll did was run, run, run run...and run, stick his head out, trash talk, and act like a fucking moron and than score little random powderpuff potshots.

worst performance by someone labeled a professional I've ever seen in my entire life.

what a joke!

CASH_718

06-17-2007, 06:34 PM

Stevens is fat, lazy and doesnt want to get in fighting wieght (147, he is exactly the same built like Cotto except he is lazy), what do u expec from a fat lazy chicken wing addict.....who wants to wait around and try to use his extra fat weight to stop the other guy....If Stevens wasn't in shape then he wouldn't have gained 10 pounds after the weigh in.

Stevens should be fighting at 160 not 147.

CASH_718

06-17-2007, 06:36 PM

What really got me pissed off watchin this fight was that Dirrell was talking so much shit during the fight as he was running away.

pit

06-17-2007, 06:59 PM

Stevens is fat, lazy and doesnt want to get in fighting wieght (147, he is exactly the same built like Cotto except he is lazy), what do u expec from a fat lazy chicken wing addict.....who wants to wait around and try to use his extra fat weight to stop the other guy....

Nope Stevens is a lot bigger wider fighter then cotto and he has always fought at 168 he would be better suited for 160 or 154 but he has way too much muscle and extreamly wide at the shoulder to fight at 147.

pit

06-17-2007, 07:13 PM

OK, maybe with his passive style that requires guys coming to him:patsch , if he wasnt fat and he had the extra energy ALA Cotto, he would have forced Dirrel to a war. IF you cant cutoff ppl (requires you to be in top shape against a highly conditioned guy)....anyways screw the pig I never liked his slow ass....Cordington is a much beter fighter atleast he comes to fight and he worked his way back fast after his loss to Green. (which he should rematch once he over comes it mentally)

you have no fucking clue what your tallking about , your bashing a fighter you know little about..

this was just a bad match up Stevens is a hard hitting counter puncher at 5'8 derell is a fast footed boxer at 6'2 . there body type and fighting style would make for a boring fight . the Tall fighter staying out of harm reach of the shorter more powerful counter puncher . Lewis Vs Tua except and with only 30 fight between the both of them, this fight was a bit early IMO.

HandsOfGold

06-17-2007, 08:11 PM

Dirrell fucked himself last night. No HBO executive is gonna want to put him back on the network.

bigtime9

06-17-2007, 08:50 PM

Paulie on the other hand fought very well. Too bad the ref was acting a bit retarded with breaking them up too fast and the point deduction. Id rather watch Paulie fight than Mayweather at this point.

post killer:nut watching paulie over floyd you have got to be kidding me. I know you white guys need a hero but damn that is embarrassing:lol:

Paulie has 0 punch but stayed in the pocket and traded while avoiding punches. Showed superb ring generalship and wasent afraid to mix it up.

did you really watch the fight, because paulie didn't stay still for ten seconds, and he damn sure didn't "trade" with ndou. :rofl paulie was on his bicycle from 1-12 running around the ring throwing no effective punches, just a slapping jab that touched ndou's glove. paulie was given rounds for just staying out of harm's way, but I guess his whiteness gives him a pass in your eyes.:admin

He clearly had the fight won and was still initiating some of the action and throwing nice combos down the stretch to the bell.

paulie was throwing shoeshine punches most didn't even land (sound familiar) and he was running from ndou, who was the aggressor all night and had to keep chasing pauile. Not one time did paulie bring it to ndou he stayed out of harm's reach by running.:deal

I wish Mayweather did this.

Of course you do:admin

So much talent. Im hopin well see more from paulie in the future and Im looking forward to mayweather fighting/boxing to his full abilities.

paulie will never be a ppv star or attraction like floyd, you gotta have more going for you then the color of your skin to compete with the elite fighters. I am not looking forward to any malignaggi fight since I know he will be running and has no power to engage.:hat

1lehudson

06-17-2007, 09:44 PM

You think? I don't see that at all. There's a huge difference between Malignaggi and Spinks/Dirrell. Trying to say this is racial is really lame. So you think that it's lame???

Paulie on the other hand fought very well. Too bad the ref was acting a bit retarded with breaking them up too fast and the point deduction. Id rather watch Paulie fight than Mayweather at this point.
you still think so?? Mags has got 5 ko's and couldnt hold Floyd jock, yet some yahoo says that he would rather watch him fight. Yeah your right saying that there is an element of race involved here is lame:nut

Lampley

06-17-2007, 11:31 PM

So you think that it's lame???

you still think so?? Mags has got 5 ko's and couldnt hold Floyd jock, yet some yahoo says that he would rather watch him fight. Yeah your right saying that there is an element of race involved here is lame:nut

Of course it's lame. It doesn't make sense. I'd rather see Floyd than Paulie, but Paulie takes more shots than Floyd (mostly because he isn't as talented). Fans tend to like vulnerable fighters -- Gatti, Mayorga, et al. And you do realize that Paulie is hardly the classic Anglo.

You can always find race where you want to, but these same people never explain why Mike Tyson is so revered, or Trinidad, or Jones, or De La Hoya, or Pacquiao. Not a white boy among them. If white fans are so racist, how could these guys become so popular? And why is it that so many white fans hate on Joe Calzaghe (Calslappy, Chicken, etc.)? I guess you could argue they just hate all non-Americans. Like I said, if you're looking for something, you can usually create ways to see it.

You need to be more open minded to the opinions of others. Believe it or not, some people have different tastes that are not all based on race.

Axe

06-17-2007, 11:43 PM

I'm with cash, Dirrell definitely ran, Stevens would have iced him otherwise.

Paulie showed Dirrell how it's done.

cannabis

06-18-2007, 12:49 AM

Harold Lederman called it the worst fight he has ever seen

one of the worst i've seen too...and i've seen a lot less than lederman for sure. dirrell needs to man up and fight.

YOUNG*LORD

06-18-2007, 01:13 AM

the guy was running...and barely punching. If I was a promoter I would not carry a fighter like dirrel...this guy will never fill seats

YOUNG*LORD

06-18-2007, 01:19 AM

What really got me pissed off watchin this fight was that Dirrell was talking so much shit during the fight as he was running away.I feel for you Cash...I was actually rooting for Dirrell...but by the end of the 1st round I wanted Stevens to knock Dirrell's fucking head off. How can you run then try to showboat and trash talk...Stevens had hundreds of amatuer fights...why didn't he cut off the ring or punish Dirrell to the body?

CASH_718

06-18-2007, 02:30 AM

I feel for you Cash...I was actually rooting for Dirrell...but by the end of the 1st round I wanted Stevens to knock Dirrell's fucking head off. How can you run then try to showboat and trash talk...Stevens had hundreds of amatuer fights...why didn't he cut off the ring or punish Dirrell to the body?Couldn't catch him to fast of him feet. And whenever Stevens got close enough Dirrell clinched.

CASH_718

06-18-2007, 02:31 AM

the guy was running...and barely punching. If I was a promoter I would not carry a fighter like dirrel...this guy will never fill seatsHe ruined his career with this win he was probably better off fighting and getting KO'd then fightin like he did.

See Me Flow

06-18-2007, 03:24 AM

He ruined his career with this win he was probably better off fighting and getting KO'd then fightin like he did.

I absolutely agree. Peddling faster than Lance Armstrong wont help with his appeasement with boxing fans. Dirrell did himself a disservice.

Lacyace

06-19-2007, 09:42 AM

It's not running if you win.

Mrboogie23

06-19-2007, 10:01 AM

It's not running if you win.

when the more effective fighter is the one running away then you know its a bad fight.

That fight sucked terribly. You get the feeling that if Dirrell chose to he could have hurt his opponent, but he was content to run around the ring like a girl and throw a couple of shots every now and then.

Dirrell looked terrible.

Butterfly^Soul

06-19-2007, 12:01 PM

He's a runner...I hope he watched Paulie's fight and took notes.

Ramshall1

06-19-2007, 03:08 PM

It's not running if you win.

Bullshiit, he ran like a scared rabbit.

This is part of the problem with boxing, Merchant was right - they should favor the aggressor, especially when one guy is flat out running from the fight.

Guru_Too_You

06-19-2007, 03:12 PM

Bullshiit, he ran like a scared rabbit.

This is part of the problem with boxing, Merchant was right - they should favor the aggressor, especially when one guy is flat out running from the fight.

The aggressor is not always the man walking forward. This is the grossest misconception amongst boxing fans. Stevens walked forward not throwing any punches for the entire night. You want to stop a runner, pound on his body. Walking forward and catching punches with your face is not being aggressive, its being pummeled.

You can all hate on Dirrell for his style, but I find it funny that the only person with a microphone that actually boxed, repeatedly said he appreciated what Dirrell was doing in there and would pay to see it again.

Its not crowd pleasing, but he's trying to win fights, and he ABSOLUTELY dominated Stevens in that bout, making it look like a sparring match.

Bazooka

06-19-2007, 03:16 PM

What??!!

How about hitting him in the body to take his legs away? How about muscling Direll to the ropes? How about actually cutting off the ring?

Stevens did NONE of those things. He was the shorter man with less reach, and made minimum attempt to get inside on Direll. And when he did, Direll either moved or popped him.

Stevens has ZERO clue how to deal with a mover. Which is shocking because everyone that's seen Direll fight knew that's EXACTLY what he would do.

Dude if you really think that Dirrell was not "Running" you should be banned for life from this forum, I am sorry but if you are to biased to wake up and see that then you really cant contribute to this forum with any logical sense.

Tettsuo

06-19-2007, 03:20 PM

The aggressor is not always the man walking forward. This is the grossest misconception amongst boxing fans. Stevens walked forward not throwing any punches for the entire night. You want to stop a runner, pound on his body. Walking forward and catching punches with your face is not being aggressive, its being pummeled.

You can all hate on Dirrell for his style, but I find it funny that the only person with a microphone that actually boxed, repeatedly said he appreciated what Dirrell was doing in there and would pay to see it again.

Its not crowd pleasing, but he's trying to win fights, and he ABSOLUTELY dominated Stevens in that bout, making it look like a sparring match.
Agree with this to a point.

Personally, I think Dirrell is still learning his craft, so it probably looked alot worst because of this. In time, he can learn to be a much better fighter by using his size and reach to keep himself in range and him opponent out of their comfort zone. That alone will boost his KO % and make for a more interesting fight.

Stevens needs to learn to go to the body and cut off the ring.

It looked more like an amateur match than a pro fight. That's what I found boring about it. I found myself telling Stevens to cut off the damn ring and go to the body, not complaining about Dirrell's running.

Yes, running.

avsouza06

06-19-2007, 03:21 PM

Running. Paulie used his skills offensively and defensively while Dirrell was strictly defensive. What made the match worse was that Stevens didn't know how to cut off the ring and make Dirrell fight, so you had a runner and an inept opponent.

Guru_Too_You

06-19-2007, 03:21 PM

Dude if you really think that Dirrell was not "Running" you should be banned for life from this forum, I am sorry but if you are to biased to wake up and see that then you really cant contribute to this forum with any logical sense.

Tell that to Lennox, I'm sure he doesnt know anything about the sport either right?

Have you ever watched Willie Pep? A young Sugar Ray Robinson? Locche?

Guru_Too_You

06-19-2007, 03:22 PM

Ramshall1

06-19-2007, 03:24 PM

The aggressor is not always the man walking forward. This is the grossest misconception amongst boxing fans. Stevens walked forward not throwing any punches for the entire night. You want to stop a runner, pound on his body. Walking forward and catching punches with your face is not being aggressive, its being pummeled.

You can all hate on Dirrell for his style, but I find it funny that the only person with a microphone that actually boxed, repeatedly said he appreciated what Dirrell was doing in there and would pay to see it again.

Its not crowd pleasing, but he's trying to win fights, and he ABSOLUTELY dominated Stevens in that bout, making it look like a sparring match.

Are you suggesting Dirrell was the "agressor"? If so, you are dumber than Lennox Lewis. BTW, dont use the worst comentator to try to make a point.

Anyway, Im done with this debate. Its just stupid to pretend Dirrell did not run in that match. I saw him run, the crowd saw him run and rightfully boo'd for most of the track meet and the vast majority of fight fans saw him run. :patsch

Bazooka

06-19-2007, 03:24 PM

Tell that to Lennox, I'm sure he doesnt know anything about the sport either right?

Have you ever watched Willie Pep? A young Sugar Ray Robinson? Locche?

Dont bring that Willie Pep Ray Robinson shit into this, this was no where near the way they "Boxed" this was a kid running from the sound of the bell to the end of the round, doing nothing but running.
Dirrell is an olympic prospect what do you think the HBO team is going to say? they have money invested in the youngster and will more than likely air his future fights, its in their finacial intrest to not bad talk their own stock.
But if you dont think he was running well okay then he wasnt running:roll:

Guru_Too_You

06-19-2007, 03:26 PM

Are you suggesting Dirrell was the "agressor"? If so, you are dumber than Lennox Lewis. BTW, dont use the worst comentator to try to make a point.

Anyway, Im done with this debate. Its just stupid to pretend Dirrell did not run in that match. I saw him run, the crowd saw him run and rightfully boo'd for most of the track meet and the vast majority of fight fans saw him run. :patsch

Who threw more punches? Generally thats the more aggressive fighter, you know, the one actually moving his hands, not just walking forward getting punched in the face.

You can blame Dirrell, but Stevens did nothing to stop Dirrell from boxing his face off from both orthodox and southpaw.

Guru_Too_You

06-19-2007, 03:28 PM

Dont bring that Willie Pep Ray Robinson shit into this, this was no where near the way they "Boxed" this was a kid running from the sound of the bell to the end of the round, doing nothing but running.
Dirrell is an olympic prospect what do you think the HBO team is going to say? they have money invested in the youngster and will more than likely air his future fights, its in their finacial intrest to not bad talk their own stock.
But if you dont think he was running well okay then he wasnt running:roll:

Watch Pep. His style was eerily similar to what you saw from Dirrell the other night. Watch Cassius Clay, his style was basically the same exact thing. This kid is still growing into his body and when he gets more confident, he'll sit down on his punches more. If he doesnt, then yes, his bouts will continue to be boring until some one actually works hard enough to force him to fight.