WHOA!!! I just read boxing news...

[Dunky McCafferty]

& that rag reported that Ajose Olusegun knocked back a fight with Junior Witter cos the money wasnt right???

For goodness sake. Ajose should take a financial hit here to share a ring with Witter.
I dont know if its been discussed here already, but please, someone tell me Olusegun hasnt knocked back the chance to fight Witter, even if the pay wasnt so hot!

After all, Witter is on his way out, & for Olusegun to get a name like Witter on his resume would be huge, & throw him right into the title mix if he won.
If Ajose has knocked back the chance to face Witter due to financial demands, I fear the people looking after him have made a massive mistake.
Sometimes a fighter has to take a financial hit in order to prove themselves... & if Ajose has said no to a fight with Witter? Its a travesty that need sexplained more fully on here.

Olu, what the fuck is going on?

[GazOC]

Yep, I heard that. Shocking if true.

[JonOli]

He's been calling out Witter for a while as well.

[dwilson]

He obviously doubts his own ability to beat Witter.

[robpalmer135]

apparently he wanted more than witter lol

[rooq]

hopefully ajose's resident ESB diplomat will drop by to let us know the score.

i'd be amazed if this is true as not only would we be taking about ajose getting a great name on his record (if he won) but there would be the itv publicity as well....

[Healy]

To be honest a 70/30 split in favour of Witter should be enough to intice Ola into the ring, the best he could ever get aainst Witter was 60/40

[elle]

I've read various reports about Olusegun's financial demands preventing a fight with Witter in November happening - if this is inaccurate I would have thought we'd have seen some response from Olusegun's team on those sites.

All very odd as Olusegun has been in need of a breakthrough fight for some time and this would appear to be a big opportunity lost.

Can't really continue to claim he is being avoided after this.

[Jimbo]

At the Napa fight Friday before last, Ajose went on after the main event had finished when everyone was already on their way home and fought a 1-3-1 fighter in a six rounder. Maybe he's happier looking good doing that.

[9Ball]

I think Witter is well past his prime and someone who Olu would probably beat. To turn that fight down Olu would have to be stupid, almost as stupid as the guy on your avatar pic looks Dunky!! (I know I cant talk) :D :D :D

[Olu G. Rotimi]

& that rag reported that Ajose Olusegun knocked back a fight with Junior Witter cos the money wasnt right???

For goodness sake. Ajose should take a financial hit here to share a ring with Witter.
I dont know if its been discussed here already, but please, someone tell me Olusegun hasnt knocked back the chance to fight Witter, even if the pay wasnt so hot!

After all, Witter is on his way out, & for Olusegun to get a name like Witter on his resume would be huge, & throw him right into the title mix if he won.
If Ajose has knocked back the chance to face Witter due to financial demands, I fear the people looking after him have made a massive mistake.
Sometimes a fighter has to take a financial hit in order to prove themselves... & if Ajose has said no to a fight with Witter? Its a travesty that need sexplained more fully on here.

Olu, what the fuck is going on?


Dunky apologies for not getting back to all of you sooner. First of all this is such bullshit. We would never turn Sister Witter or whatever she is called down. What has Witter got to make us avoid her. An approach was made to Frank Maloney from Hennessy at late notice(2 weeks again surprise surprise). A counter offer was made and since then we have heard nothing from them. Next thing we hear this crap that we have turned hoim down or priced ourselves out of a contest with Witter of all the people. Watch this space as my contacts at the WBC indicate that they are likely to rule that Ajose and Witter face off in a final eliminator for the WBC title after the convention so that Witter can run but he cannot hide. For the record we would even have conceded on the late notice of 2 weeks. They thought they could catch us cold e.g. not training. Team Witter have made a mistake because once the eliminator is called we get the full 2 months of fight preparation.

What makes me mad is that this prat Witter and his team in collusion with BN can spread this crap about which guarantees the punk an extra ass kicking when the contest happens.

What exactly does Witter bring to the table as far as I remember he does not hold any title anymore.

[TFFP]

Witter brings to the table credibility. He's fought good opponents.

Olusegun hasn't.

[icemax]

Watch this space as my contacts at the WBC indicate that they are likely to rule that Ajose and Witter face off in a final eliminator for the WBC title after the convention so that Witter can run but he cannot hide.

This has to be some sort of sick joke. 1-3, 23-13, 4-4, 18-2, 5-2, 13-16, 15-12, 5-17, 15-1, 13-10........these are the records of the last 10 opponents that Olusegun has faced, what in there in any way justifies a slot in a final eliminator. If it is true then it just confirms to me the rife corruption within organisations like the WBC, its a fucking joke.

[GazOC]

At the very least Witter has a name, he was a world champion 2 fights ago. Ajose should be walking across hot coals to fight someone like Witter.

[brown bomber]

I think we're been a bit harsh on Ajose's CV here, he has some very good wins. Ignoring them is a bit silly even if this is a questionable move by Ajose management team.

[GazOC]

I think we're been a bit harsh on Ajose's CV here, he has some very good wins. Ignoring them is a bit silly even if this is a questionable move by Ajose management team.

There are some decent wins but nothing on there that would make a world class fighter worry at all. The type of fights he is having at coming up 29 years old are ridiculous, there is the argument that the can't get the decent opponents in the ring but then he passes on Witter....

[brown bomber]

There are some decent wins but nothing on there that would make a world class fighter worry at all. The type of fights he is having at coming up 29 years old are ridiculous, there is the argument that the can't get the decent opponents in the ring but then he passes on Witter.... Yes but domestic stoppages over Pryce and Nummembe are impressive... The Witter fight was one that he should have definately taken. Even at 2 weeks notice you'd think they would be desperate for any oppertunity to make a breakthrough.

["TKO"]

I think we're been a bit harsh on Ajose's CV here, he has some very good wins. Ignoring them is a bit silly even if this is a questionable move by Ajose management team.

I know what you mean Jethro, I think the only reason everyone is being a bit harsh on him is because they're sick of Olu bashing on about how he's the greatest African fighter since Azumah Nelson and would beat Hatton, Witter, Bradley, Holt and Torres in one night with one hand tied behind his back the seeing him step in with Mr 3-10-2 fighter who got a speeding ticket on the way to the arena.

The guy had a couple of good wins over decent commonwealth level fighters a few years back, but he has simply not kicked on since and has not done anything to warrant the hype. He is, what, 29 and I personally will take an interest when he's in a fight that warrants it. I simply refuse to believe that EVERYONE refuses to take him on. In Olu's mind, Hatton (allegedly) telling him to get and get himself a world ranking when Ajose wanted a contest rather than to be a sparring partner counts as avoiding him. Until six months ago when Witter lost his title, a fight with someone his level would have been way out of Ajose's reach. If it has been offered all of a sudden, Ajose should snap his hand off, it's only one loss and Witter is still top 5 at 140.

Otherwise, he should just go to the States. I can see how a little know fighter like Ajose could have trouble attracting worthwhile opponents over here. Hatton is obviously out of his reach and if Witter doesnt happen who else? Lynes or Rees at a pinch, that's about it. He doesn't have the name or the promotional backing to entice decent overseas fighters over here to face him. Over in the States there are guys like Tackie, Ndou, Ngoudjo, Randall Bailey, Arnoutis, Devon Alexander, Lamont Peterson. All a few steps above what he has been fighting and I'm sure one of them would entertain him, plus he could pick up some more serious promotional backing.

This is not a rant at you by the way my good man, just kind of writing my thoughts as they come to me lol

[GazOC]

Yes but domestic stoppages over Pryce and Nummembe are impressive... The Witter fight was one that he should have definately taken. Even at 2 weeks notice you'd think they would be desperate for any oppertunity to make a breakthrough.

I agree.:good

["TKO"]

Yes but domestic stoppages over Pryce and Nummembe are impressive... The Witter fight was one that he should have definately taken. Even at 2 weeks notice you'd think they would be desperate for any oppertunity to make a breakthrough.

Following on, yeah his domestic stoppages are impressive and that's why I think it should be the catalyst to take on some decent international, fringe world class opposition and take the next step up. In the mind of Olu, the world champs "should take on all comers" and any of them not looking twice at his boy is a reflection of fear. It is simply a reflection of the fact that he cannot seriously expect to jump from fighting Alex Spitko to a world title tilt without having to put in the hard yards to get the shot.

I remember commenting that Hatton had fought Magee, Tackie, Oliveira and Phillips to get his title shot, Witter fought Ndou and Kotelnik. All I got was a slightly sarky "yeah cos those guys are such great fighters aren't they?" However, those mid-level fringe world class guys are the kind of fighters you need to beat to get to the big fish and which Ajose has so far failed to do. He has not fought anyone close to that level yet. I think this singular lack of achievement compared with Olu's "Ajose will kill everyone in sight and they're all terrified of him", the constant excuses that the opponent was in the best shape of his life etc... is what's turning a lot of people off him.

[elle]

I agree Pryce and Nuumbembe were decent domestic wins and names for Olusegun but these fights were in 2004 and 2006. I dont think he has progressed enough since then. This is a guy who turned pro 7+ years ago, is still at commonwealth level and his last 2/3 fights have been non title 6 round affairs.

An opportunity to fight a former world champion (still rated higher than him by the WBC) comes along and it isn't taken?!

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Witter brings to the table credibility. He's fought good opponents.

Olusegun hasn't.

Witter has no credibility whatsoever. He beat a lot of washed up fighters and the Mexican road sweeper Arturo Mora. Who excatly has he beaten that gives him credibility.

[TFFP]

Witter has no credibility whatsoever. He beat a lot of washed up fighters and the Mexican road sweeper Arturo Mora. Who excatly has he beaten that gives him credibility.
Are you serious?

You don't think Harris, Corley, Kotelnik and N'dou are more credible than some of the garbage you've been feasting on?

Where are Olusegun's names to match that credibility? Bradley Price, Nuumembe and Wright, okay good wins, but nothing like comparable.

You are either plain ignorant or intellectually dishonest. I don't know which.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

This has to be some sort of sick joke. 1-3, 23-13, 4-4, 18-2, 5-2, 13-16, 15-12, 5-17, 15-1, 13-10........these are the records of the last 10 opponents that Olusegun has faced, what in there in any way justifies a slot in a final eliminator. If it is true then it just confirms to me the rife corruption within organisations like the WBC, its a fucking joke.

Ajose is the undefeated and undisputed African Boxing Union, Commonwealth, Nigerian and WBF Intercontinental Champion and ranked number 3 by the WBC the most prestigious organisation. The joke will be on you or anyone prepared to step in there with us because all we do is win period as Witter will find out if he steps in there with us.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

At the very least Witter has a name, he was a world champion 2 fights ago. Ajose should be walking across hot coals to fight someone like Witter.

Sorry but Witter is nothing at all. Anyone who can really fight will beat Witter. Ajose bows down to no one especially Witter of all the people.

["TKO"]

Sorry but Witter is nothing at all. Anyone who can really fight will beat Witter. Ajose bows down to no one especially Witter of all the people.

How long do you think Gary Reid would last with Witter Olu? How would you see Ajose - Ndou or Ajose - Harris going? Cos they are the kind of fights he needs to move it to the next level. As I said he should think about getting over to the States, over there he could get some decent fringe opposition which would help work his way up.

If he has been offered Witter he should take it, especially if you're so confident he would beat him. But how about some details of these offers which have been made either way? Offers and counter offers are meaningless unless you can compare what's involved.

[ishy]

Ajose is the undefeated and undisputed African Boxing Union, Commonwealth, Nigerian and WBF Intercontinental Champion and ranked number 3 by the WBC the most prestigious organisation. The joke will be on you or anyone prepared to step in there with us because all we do is win period as Witter will find out if he steps in there with us.

Like that means a lot :rofl.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I agree Pryce and Nuumbembe were decent domestic wins and names for Olusegun but these fights were in 2004 and 2006. I dont think he has progressed enough since then. This is a guy who turned pro 7+ years ago, is still at commonwealth level and his last 2/3 fights have been non title 6 round affairs.

An opportunity to fight a former world champion (still rated higher than him by the WBC) comes along and it isn't taken?!

First of all the ABU title and WBF Intercontinental are higher titles than Commonwealth level. We are taking every title available to us on the way to the world title. Witter can have the fight as we did not turn him down or price ourselves out. We made a counter offer and they have gone silent proving once again that they don't want it.

Witter is nothing and in my opinion means nothing whatsoever. He can put up or shut up but he is not worthy of consideration quite frankly. Men like Pryce and Nuubembee are bigger men at higher weight divisions handled with ease. I can guarantee that Ajose would knock Witter out.

[GazOC]

Sorry but Witter is nothing at all. Anyone who can really fight will beat Witter. Ajose bows down to no one especially Witter of all the people.

Then take the fight and get your fighters name out there. You must realize time isn't on your side here and the last year has been totally wasted?

[ishy]

First of all the ABU title and WBF Intercontinental are higher titles than Commonwealth level. We are taking every title available to us on the way to the world title. Witter can have the fight as we did not turn him down or price ourselves out. We made a counter offer and they have gone silent proving once again that they don't want it.

Witter is nothing and in my opinion means nothing whatsoever. He can put up or shut up but he is not worthy of consideration quite frankly. Men like Pryce and Nuubembee are bigger men at higher weight divisions handled with ease. I can guarantee that Ajose would knock Witter out.

Ajose should take the short money against Witter if he is that confident of knocking him out. Ajose has yet to face ONE world class fighter and the ABU and WBF world, nevermind Intercontinental titles mean nothing. Who;s the last great light welterweight from Africa?

[TFFP]

Since you are such a fan of those meaningless titles as if they are worth bragging about...how about these 3 proper belts. British, European and WBC champion.

How about we see Olusegun going down one of those routes? Novel idea.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

How long do you think Gary Reid would last with Witter Olu? How would you see Ajose - Ndou or Ajose - Harris going? Cos they are the kind of fights he needs to move it to the next level. As I said he should think about getting over to the States, over there he could get some decent fringe opposition which would help work his way up.

If he has been offered Witter he should take it, especially if you're so confident he would beat him. But how about some details of these offers which have been made either way? Offers and counter offers are meaningless unless you can compare what's involved.

Ajose would beat Ndou and Harris easily. Ndou has not got the skill level to compete with Ajose. The Harris who fought Witter is a shot fighter.

Gary Reid is irrelevant as How A does with B is not relevant in a match up between A and C or B and C.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Ajose should take the short money against Witter if he is that confident of knocking him out. Ajose has yet to face ONE world class fighter and the ABU and WBF world, nevermind Intercontinental titles mean nothing. Who;s the last great light welterweight from Africa?

Obisia Nwakpa actually is the last great Light Welterweight. You obviously disrespect African fighters or is it just Light Welterweights. Since you think so little of the ABU title you should realise it is far superior to the British title and guarantees a higher raking in the world ratings.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Since you are such a fan of those meaningless titles as if they are worth bragging about...how about these 3 proper belts. British, European and WBC champion.

How about we see Olusegun going down one of those routes? Novel idea.

Thanks but the British and European belts don't mean anything to us quite frankly as the ABU, WBF Intercontinental and Commonwealth belts mean more to us. We are going after the WBC belt and intend to beat a real champion like Tim Bradley.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Then take the fight and get your fighters name out there. You must realize time isn't on your side here and the last year has been totally wasted?

For the last time we made them an offer. It is not our fault they turn it down. I guess time is on Witter's side is it clearly yesterdays man. Witter is no position to dictate terms to anybody.

[jamie30002000]

Thanks but the British and European belts don't mean anything to us quite frankly as the ABU, WBF Intercontinental and Commonwealth belts mean more to us. We are going after the WBC belt and intend to beat a real champion like Tim Bradley.

No wonder he is going nowere with people like you in his team.. Your attitude is a joke...

[GazOC]

Olu, time isn't on Witters side but he's made his money and won his world title. Whats Ajose done? I know everyone seems pretty negative about Ajose but its just that you seem totally oblivious to the situation you are in.

[icemax]

Witter has no credibility whatsoever. He beat a lot of washed up fighters and the Mexican road sweeper Arturo Mora. Who excatly has he beaten that gives him credibility.

Frontin, fucking class act that...get real. :-(

Instead of farting about with all this virtual boxing stating who your man would and would not beat, why doesn't he just get off of his arse and prove it?

[TFFP]

The guy is a fool it must be said. A Bee what? I doubt too many of those African guys will be pulling up trees.

His act is getting really really old now. Disrespecting all kinds of fighters that have done more, downplaying their resume, when Olusegun is fighting 6 rounders against F class fighters combined record 28-20-3. It really is sickening.

How does somebody in Olusegun's team have the gall to criticize a guys resume? Unreal.

[ferd cloupes]

God I love Olu posts

[icemax]

Ajose is the undefeated and undisputed African Boxing Union, Commonwealth, Nigerian and WBF Intercontinental Champion and ranked number 3 by the WBC the most prestigious organisation.

Props to Ajose......as I said before, something stinks in the state of Denmark if your man is ranked 3 with the WBC after some of the less than journeymen that he has been sweeping up in the ring.

[TFFP]

Don't forget, a lot of those are not journeymen. They automatically become tough well respected opponents as soon as Olusegun beats them.

I swear I heard this clown big up Gary Reid on here. Yes, thats Gary Reid. Tough kid, but the guy that has lost to 20 other guys and some of them more convincing than Olusegun's effort.

Next day he'll be telling you Harris and Corley are shot and not credible.

[icemax]

Thanks but the British and European belts don't mean anything to us quite frankly.

Daft question, but if this is the case why are you fighting out of Britain?

Come on Olu, be honest, your Ajoses mother aren't you?:good

[brown bomber]

Olu, with the greatest repect your doing yourselves an injustice on here. I rate Ajose and his resume is more impressive then most other fighters in the UK but you simply have to realise its time to make your move. Ajose must be fit so why not take the fight. Personally if I was Ajose I would have fought Witter for free.. seriously.

Your mixing at C level and below (in world terms) you can't be making much cash and your not making any career progress merely extending an unbeaten record till the WBC decide to make you a mandatory or you are given a voluntary shot.

If you were truly confident of victory you should have taken the fight. You would have gained so much kudos and credability for a win over the former champion.

I think the Truth Olu is that you were uncertain of victory and that a loss at this stage for the money they were offering was an unreasonable risk based on your current standing with the WBC. If that is the case then every credit your doing a fine job managing your mans interests but you shouldn't then have the temerity to come on here slagging off good British fighters and the European and British titles which mean so much to us British fighters.

As always Olu I respect you and Ajose but you've lost a great deal of credibility on this forum by trying to con the knowledgable folk of ESB- and for what gain?

Good luck my friend but its either time to put up or shut up, either take the big risk fight and carry on slandering everything an everyone else or play the waiting game but add a little respect for your fellow fighters and the titles they hold.

Hope this advice is taken the right way.

["TKO"]

First of all the ABU title and WBF Intercontinental are higher titles than Commonwealth level. We are taking every title available to us on the way to the world title. Witter can have the fight as we did not turn him down or price ourselves out. We made a counter offer and they have gone silent proving once again that they don't want it.

Witter is nothing and in my opinion means nothing whatsoever. He can put up or shut up but he is not worthy of consideration quite frankly. Men like Pryce and Nuubembee are bigger men at higher weight divisions handled with ease. I can guarantee that Ajose would knock Witter out.

No they're not. You can argue the ABU I grant you but the WBF intercontinental is one of those tinpot belts they stick on just about every main event to call it a title bout, means nothing.

Your opinion is one thing, but in the context of the current 140lb division it's unarguable that Witter does mean something. He's ranked #4 in the division by Ring and #6 by Boxing Monthly and was #2 until a few months ago. He's a former WBC champ and a far better fighter and name than anyone else your boy has faced, much better than the likes of Pryce or Nuumbembee. It's one thing "guaranteeing" that Ajose would knock Witter out let's see him get in the ring and prove it.

Your problem Olu is you appear to think everyone should be honoured that your boy is even considering them as an option. Witter is not worthy of consideration - what? He would be by far the best opponent Ajose has ever faced and he's available, whereas six months ago Ajose wouldn't have had a chance in hell of getting a shot at him unless it was mandated.

If you're so close to Ajose you should be able to tell us what was in these offers made between him and Witter. Simply stating that you made a counter offer is meaningless, you could have offered Witter two pound fifty and a packet of crisps to fight in Lagos for all we know!

I'm not sure atm whether you're really an insider in the Ajose camp and a friend of his or whether you're just another Flint Island style wind-up to be honest! And if the latter I guess I've bitten hook line and sinker :patsch :yep

["TKO"]

Ajose should take the short money against Witter if he is that confident of knocking him out. Ajose has yet to face ONE world class fighter and the ABU and WBF world, nevermind Intercontinental titles mean nothing. Who;s the last great light welterweight from Africa?

Herman Ngoudjo? :smooch :smooch

["TKO"]

Obisia Nwakpa actually is the last great Light Welterweight. You obviously disrespect African fighters or is it just Light Welterweights. Since you think so little of the ABU title you should realise it is far superior to the British title and guarantees a higher raking in the world ratings.

You cannot be serious about this Olu? I think your definition of great is somewhat different to most people's.

I would tend to go along with the latter statement, continental title>>>> national title for getting into the world rankings, but you have to look at the standard of the competition. Aside from Ngoudjo, I'm not aware of anyone of note on the world scene in Africa atm, sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.

["TKO"]

Don't forget, a lot of those are not journeymen. They automatically become tough well respected opponents as soon as Olusegun beats them.

I swear I heard this clown big up Gary Reid on here. Yes, thats Gary Reid. Tough kid, but the guy that has lost to 20 other guys and some of them more convincing than Olusegun's effort.

Next day he'll be telling you Harris and Corley are shot and not credible.

To be fair, I'd go along with that in Corley's case - I think he had lost 3 of his last 5 before Witter and has lost about five straight since. Harris is a different matter since his loss to Maussa he'd rebounded with wins over Johnston and Lazcano, good win. Kotelnik (close though it was) maybe a better win too. Either way, all three are in a different league to the Reids of this world.

I am seriously starting to think Olu is an internet persona on the wind though, some of what he comes out with is just so outrageous its unreal!!!

["TKO"]

Olu, with the greatest repect your doing yourselves an injustice on here. I rate Ajose and his resume is more impressive then most other fighters in the UK but you simply have to realise its time to make your move. Ajose must be fit so why not take the fight. Personally if I was Ajose I would have fought Witter for free.. seriously.

Your mixing at C level and below (in world terms) you can't be making much cash and your not making any career progress merely extending an unbeaten record till the WBC decide to make you a mandatory or you are given a voluntary shot.

If you were truly confident of victory you should have taken the fight. You would have gained so much kudos and credability for a win over the former champion.

I think the Truth Olu is that you were uncertain of victory and that a loss at this stage for the money they were offering was an unreasonable risk based on your current standing with the WBC. If that is the case then every credit your doing a fine job managing your mans interests but you shouldn't then have the temerity to come on here slagging off good British fighters and the European and British titles which mean so much to us British fighters.

As always Olu I respect you and Ajose but you've lost a great deal of credibility on this forum by trying to con the knowledgable folk of ESB- and for what gain?

Good luck my friend but its either time to put up or shut up, either take the big risk fight and carry on slandering everything an everyone else or play the waiting game but add a little respect for your fellow fighters and the titles they hold.

Hope this advice is taken the right way.

Ditto to all that! Get that man a pint (if you're allowed to drink in training Jeff)

[RichDam]

To be fair, I'd go along with that in Corley's case - I think he had lost 3 of his last 5 before Witter and has lost about five straight since. Harris is a different matter since his loss to Maussa he'd rebounded with wins over Johnston and Lazcano, good win. Kotelnik (close though it was) maybe a better win too. Either way, all three are in a different league to the Reids of this world.

I am seriously starting to think Olu is an internet persona on the wind though, some of what he comes out with is just so outrageous its unreal!!!

Harris is shot to pieces. He was floored twice by some bloke I have never heard of last night.

[Beeston Brawler]

I don't really think Harris was ever that good anyway.

Though Witter destroyed him, it shouldn't really have taken seven rounds. He had a clear speed, power and skill advantage in that fight, yet spent most of it posturing.

[dwilson]

Jeez do not mess with a WBF Intercontinental champion.

[Beeston Brawler]

Olusegun KO2 McCall+Margarito+Hagler+DLH+Hopkins+Mosley+Winky

:deal

["TKO"]

Harris is shot to pieces. He was floored twice by some bloke I have never heard of last night.

True but maybe in part at least due to the after effects of the pasting he took from Witter. A beating like that plus a year out of the ring may have aided his deterioration, he looked alright prior to that fight the Maussa KO aside. His chin was never the greatest anyway.

[Beeston Brawler]

Our friend Olu is a mass of contraditions!

[Olu G. Rotimi]

The guy is a fool it must be said. A Bee what? I doubt too many of those African guys will be pulling up trees.

His act is getting really really old now. Disrespecting all kinds of fighters that have done more, downplaying their resume, when Olusegun is fighting 6 rounders against F class fighters combined record 28-20-3. It really is sickening.

How does somebody in Olusegun's team have the gall to criticize a guys resume? Unreal.

No you are the bloody fool disrespecting African fighters just because you don't know who they are and hailing your bum chum Witter.

Why has Witter consistently avoided Ajose. Next thing you will tell me that a professional like Ajose should fight Witter for free. Why have Team Witter consistently avoided us. The truth is they don't want it and never have.

[Beeston Brawler]

And Ajose brought what to the table?

If you look at Witter's recent fights.....

Corley - ok, in hindsight he was shot, for the vacant title.
Morua - mexican roadsweeper - customary easy first defence.
Harris - ditto Corley (shot) - mandatory
Bradley - mandatory

In all that time, what was Ajose doing, in order to bring something to the table should the fight happen?

Fuck all, that's what.

Ajose ought to be prepared to fight Witter for free - he is a former champ, slightly past his peak, and although he had a shocker in his last fight could (and is) still be considered top 5.

Witter has always been pretty avoided - he is smart enough to know not to avoid anyone else, because he would be sat on his ass for 12 months. If there was money on the table for Witter to fight this chump, he would have taken it.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Don't forget, a lot of those are not journeymen. They automatically become tough well respected opponents as soon as Olusegun beats them.

I swear I heard this clown big up Gary Reid on here. Yes, thats Gary Reid. Tough kid, but the guy that has lost to 20 other guys and some of them more convincing than Olusegun's effort.

Next day he'll be telling you Harris and Corley are shot and not credible.

Harris and Corley are shot and clearly not what they were in my opinion. I gave credit to Witter for beating Harris though the Corley fight was a bore. Bradley kicked his arse up and down period.

[Beeston Brawler]

They are both shot, but that wasn't the consensus at the time.

I argue that Harris was never that good anyway, though others disagree.

[TFFP]

You can say what you want about Corley and Harris, but you look a damn fool trying to big up the African belt and fighters and downplaying these wins.

I'll take these guys over Frontin and Spitko too. Hell, Morua is better than these chumps.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Daft question, but if this is the case why are you fighting out of Britain?

Come on Olu, be honest, your Ajoses mother aren't you?:good

Thanks but I am not Ajose's mother as I am not a woman. We came to Britain when we turned pro to launch our career. I am not denigrating the British and European unlike the prat who was belittling the ABU title.

Personally I have never been impressed by Witter. That is just my personal opinion. I can understand Hatton dictating financial but Witter please give me a break the guy cannot sell flies in his hometown.

[Beeston Brawler]

And Olusegun can?

[Beeston Brawler]

So what relation are you, may I ask?

Reading between the lines, it's either......

Father
Brother
Close/trusted friend

[TFFP]

Olusegun can not sell shit either. At least Witter has been on ITV.

Sky didn't even want to show your ass on the undercard as a passing highlight last time. That should be a pretty clear message about the opponents you are fighting.

Then you try to come on here and rag on Witter's resume. You need Witter, not the reverse. Witter could just as happily fight for the European title and get more recognition and money. I couldn't give a toss about Witter, but thats how it is.

[Beeston Brawler]

Go and post on Boxrec :deal

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Olu, with the greatest repect your doing yourselves an injustice on here. I rate Ajose and his resume is more impressive then most other fighters in the UK but you simply have to realise its time to make your move. Ajose must be fit so why not take the fight. Personally if I was Ajose I would have fought Witter for free.. seriously.

Your mixing at C level and below (in world terms) you can't be making much cash and your not making any career progress merely extending an unbeaten record till the WBC decide to make you a mandatory or you are given a voluntary shot.

If you were truly confident of victory you should have taken the fight. You would have gained so much kudos and credability for a win over the former champion.

I think the Truth Olu is that you were uncertain of victory and that a loss at this stage for the money they were offering was an unreasonable risk based on your current standing with the WBC. If that is the case then every credit your doing a fine job managing your mans interests but you shouldn't then have the temerity to come on here slagging off good British fighters and the European and British titles which mean so much to us British fighters.

As always Olu I respect you and Ajose but you've lost a great deal of credibility on this forum by trying to con the knowledgable folk of ESB- and for what gain?

Good luck my friend but its either time to put up or shut up, either take the big risk fight and carry on slandering everything an everyone else or play the waiting game but add a little respect for your fellow fighters and the titles they hold.

Hope this advice is taken the right way.

Jeff we respect fighters and all titles however what I absolutely will not have is a clown like TFFP or whatever he calls himself slagging off the ABU title a prestigious title for the African continent. I am not slagging off the British and European title but pointing out that they are not titles of interest to an African fighter as the ABU title will not be of interest to non-African fighters.

As for Witter they gave us 2 weeks notice surprise surprise when no doubt he has had the 8/9 weeks notice for a scheduled date. Irrespective of this we were so confident that we agreed to step in for this date and told them through our promoter how much we would take for this short notice assignment. They have not come back so draw your own conclusions. Mine is that they wanted to generate publicity but were not committed to the fight. It is not as if we are asking a lot for what is effectively a title eliminator is it not.

I actually don't see Witter as a risk. It is only a risk if we are not properly prepared. The closest fighter Witter faced to Ajose was Zab Judah who beat him easily. Stylistically I see no problems but we will not be taking on any more short notice assignments. We have done it for years never again. Why the hell should a fighter on the verge of a world title shot fight anyone for free which is more or less what Hennessy were asking us to do.

[Beeston Brawler]

Zab was a lot better then, than Olusegun is now.

The reverse applies to Witter.

[TFFP]

It might be prestigious for you on a personal level, but in a world sense the ABU...it means jack shit.

Witter had the European and WBC title, and beat the required opponents along the way, including the current WBA champ. That is where the credibility comes from.

We don't know who the hell you have to fight for the WBU, WBF or whatever, and whoever they are they ain't done shit on the world stage. This is why you have zero credibilty to be making claims other than being a talented domestic fighter, and certainly not to be asking what others have done.

I don't know why people pander to you on here, just because you are in somebodys camp. You are a hypocritical sack of shit.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

And Ajose brought what to the table?

If you look at Witter's recent fights.....

Corley - ok, in hindsight he was shot, for the vacant title.
Morua - mexican roadsweeper - customary easy first defence.
Harris - ditto Corley (shot) - mandatory
Bradley - mandatory

In all that time, what was Ajose doing, in order to bring something to the table should the fight happen?

Fuck all, that's what.

Ajose ought to be prepared to fight Witter for free - he is a former champ, slightly past his peak, and although he had a shocker in his last fight could (and is) still be considered top 5.

Witter has always been pretty avoided - he is smart enough to know not to avoid anyone else, because he would be sat on his ass for 12 months. If there was money on the table for Witter to fight this chump, he would have taken it.

Bradley kicked Witter's arse it was not Witter having a shocker. anybody fast and who can fight will trouble Witter period. Witter is the chump mate.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

You can say what you want about Corley and Harris, but you look a damn fool trying to big up the African belt and fighters and downplaying these wins.

I'll take these guys over Frontin and Spitko too. Hell, Morua is better than these chumps.

You are probably a shirt liftting faggot if the truth be known. How you can defend the likes of Morua is unbelievable. I don't speak to idiots and racists like you trying to denigrate the African title.

[Beeston Brawler]

Bradley kicked Witter's arse it was not Witter having a shocker. anybody fast and who can fight will trouble Witter period. Witter is the chump mate.

Witter DID have a shocker - though credit to Bradley, he fought well and deserved the win.

You don't have to be fast to beat Witter, though it helps - workrate is the key.

I don't recall Ajose outworking anyone decent for quite a while - and even then, nobody anywhere near the level of Witter.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Olu, please answer this: what has Ajose done that qualifies him for a title shot?

Ignore potential, talent and skill: what has he done that shows he is ready and deserving of a shot, other than the imperious arrogance you are demonstrating?

An unbeaten record, taking every professional title available to him, beating up capable fighters in higher weight divisions like Light Middleweight and Welterweight. There is a reason we have gone up so high in the world ratings. What exactly had Gavin Rees done to deserve the title shot when he got it other than have a promoter get him the title shot.

[TFFP]

You are probably a shirt liftting faggot if the truth be known. How you can defend the likes of Morua is unbelievable. I don't speak to idiots and racists like you trying to denigrate the African title.
How can you defend your last 2 fights? Again, this is where you are a hypocrit. Morua looks a beast compared to the jokes you are feeding on. And by the way, Denton Vassell did a far more impressive job on Spitko.

The only verge Olusegun is on is the path to oblivion. Talented kid, but with the nonsensical team backpatting him and giving him a false sense of reality he ain't going anywhere.

[Beeston Brawler]

An unbeaten record, taking every professional title available to him, beating up capable fighters in higher weight divisions like Light Middleweight and Welterweight. There is a reason we have gone up so high in the world ratings. What exactly had Gavin Rees done to deserve the title shot when he got it other than have a promoter get him the title shot.

Point taken regarding Rees - but most likely he was called up on a week's notice.

You had the chance to fight Witter on a couple of week's notice and ran away.

Unbeaten records mean nothing - does Julio Cesar Chavez crack the top 10 at 154 on the basis of having this?

Is Hatton rated lower now than he was say 2004, because the 0 has gone?

You are a mass of contradictions my friend, and resorting to petty namecalling just makes you look even sillier.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Olusegun can not sell shit either. At least Witter has been on ITV.

Sky didn't even want to show your ass on the undercard as a passing highlight last time. That should be a pretty clear message about the opponents you are fighting.

Then you try to come on here and rag on Witter's resume. You need Witter, not the reverse. Witter could just as happily fight for the European title and get more recognition and money. I couldn't give a toss about Witter, but thats how it is.

Are you sure as you sound like you toss Witter of regularly.

["TKO"]

Are you sure as you sound like you toss Witter of regularly.

Grow up the pair of you! You're letting this board down. Disagreement is fine but let's try and keep it to boxing rather than personal insults please!!!

[Olu G. Rotimi]

It might be prestigious for you on a personal level, but in a world sense the ABU...it means jack shit.

Witter had the European and WBC title, and beat the required opponents along the way, including the current WBA champ. That is where the credibility comes from.

We don't know who the hell you have to fight for the WBU, WBF or whatever, and whoever they are they ain't done shit on the world stage. This is why you have zero credibilty to be making claims other than being a talented domestic fighter, and certainly not to be asking what others have done.

I don't know why people pander to you on here, just because you are in somebodys camp. You are a hypocritical sack of shit.

And you Sir are the equivalent of horse manure. You might not like me or Ajose which is fine as we don't require your love but to abuse a whole continent bigger than Europe says a lot about you as a person. You obviously have anger management issues as well as relating to people of different races hence your gutter behaviour. Keep playing with yourself and Witter lass.

[TFFP]

Not at all, I'm not bothered about Witter. He's never excited me or particuarly annoyed me, I just see a decent fighter with a solid resume in the division. A solid resume at world level.

You have trouble dealing with the bare facts which I diagnose as extreme delusion and I call a spade a spade. Witter's best wins are Corley, Harris, Kotelnik, N'dou and Lynes. Olusegun's are Pryce, Nuumbembe, Wright...and help me out here. Witter was the European and WBC champ, Olusegun was the African and WBF champ.

Despite all this, you'll call Witter a chump and ask what he's done that is credible.

People only humour you and talk to you with respect because you are in a fighters camp and its a novelty. Olusegun will lose when you step him up, if you step him up.

[Beeston Brawler]

By saying that the African title means less than the Euro title, TFFP was stating that in terms of the world stage, the Euro title carries much more kudos, as there are more quality fighters in Europe than there are in Africa.

That is not racist, at all - merely a fact.

If he had said 'I hate Olusegun because he is African' then that is racist.

The mere fact that he is comparing Witter and Olusegun proves my point - if he had compared say Hatton or Lynes you may have been 0.1% correct.

But no more than that.

[TFFP]

I don't care if I sound racist because thats not my agenda, I only speak of boxing, but that African title is at a shit standard.

For the British title you fight David Barnes.

For the European title you fight Branco.

For the African bit of plastic you fight some guy with a 6-5 record.

I'm sure its a proud moment when you win it back home and its important to those people, but you aren't going to get great acclaim worldwide for that, sorry.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

But speaking to homophobes is ok?

Olu, you're letting yourself down.

I am a man of peace but this prat has got my goat denigrating Africa and African fighters because he is in love with Witter. He deserves to be treated as vermin.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Point taken regarding Rees - but most likely he was called up on a week's notice.

You had the chance to fight Witter on a couple of week's notice and ran away.

Unbeaten records mean nothing - does Julio Cesar Chavez crack the top 10 at 154 on the basis of having this?

Is Hatton rated lower now than he was say 2004, because the 0 has gone?

You are a mass of contradictions my friend, and resorting to petty namecalling just makes you look even sillier.

We are not running anywhere. Ajose is still in the UK. All they need to do is put up or shut up period. Why would any who can fight avoid Witter?

[Beeston Brawler]

I think YOU need to put up or shut up.

When you are a young prospect (well 29 in this case) you are the one that needs to make an opportunity for yourself, take short money/notice, whatever.

You can't just feed on chumps, bleat on about how good you are and try to convince the world that everyone is ducking you.

It is like Man City dropping to League 1, beating everyone and saying that because they haven't lost, they are the best in the land.

Total bollocks.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I don't care if I sound racist because thats not my agenda, I only speak of boxing, but that African title is at a shit standard.

For the British title you fight David Barnes.

For the European title you fight Branco.

For the African bit of plastic you fight some guy with a 6-5 record.

I'm sure its a proud moment when you win it back home and its important to those people, but you aren't going to get great acclaim worldwide for that, sorry.

Point proven you are a racist bastard calling the African title a shit standard.

[TFFP]

Point proven you are a racist bastard calling the African title a shit standard.
I'm judging them as boxers, not as a race or human beings. There is a general forum for this.

They aren't good at world level. If you've got a guy that now has a record 6-5 fighting for the African title it ain't a good standard. Nothing like European level.

[icemax]

When you beat a debutant to win the Nigerian title and a man with a 3-2 record to win the African title you are not really in a position to slag anyone off....thats not even up to UK "area" standard.

[ferd cloupes]

You never get a bad Olu thread :good

[Scratch]

Witter haters, in all their various guises, are always hilariously clueless. :rofl

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I'm judging them as boxers, not as a race or human beings. There is a general forum for this.

They aren't good at world level. If you've got a guy that now has a record 6-5 fighting for the African title it ain't a good standard. Nothing like European level.


Yes I remember another African fighter called Joshua Okine who has a few losses incuding his professional debut against Ossie Duran knocking out the British champion David Barnes in his Manchester hometown. Nothing against Barnes but you made reference to him as some you fight for the British title. When an African fighter has a 6-5 record or some losses you need to look at it carefully as they don't get protected. Okine is a case in point but when he fought Barnes who was unbeaten he handled him like a baby and put his lights out. Ajose won the ABU title basically by having to defeat a Light Middleweight/Middleweight called Victor Kpadenue. This in many ways was the most significant victory along with the Holgate win. Kpadenue went the distance with the hard hitting Middleweight Gary Lockett.

Colin Lynes the former European champion was stopped by fellow African Samuel Malinga. Malinga is not even good enough to win the ABU title. Your hero Witter could not knock out Lynes who shot Branco beat and Malinga showed how to deal with conclusively.

The ABU title has been won by many fine fighters including the legendary Azumah Nelson. You are simply ignorant and arrogant to say the African title is not a good standard.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

You never get a bad Olu thread :good

Thanks ferd cloupes. We have always done it our way and will continue to despite the haters and the clueless like TFFP or the Witter fan club. Next thing they will say that we should pay Witter to have a contest with him. I mean can you believe such rubbish.

[Beeston Brawler]

A 'shot' Branco beat Lynes?

From where I was watching, Lynes won pretty easily, 116-112 on my card. You don't seem to understand, if you lose on an SD in Italy, it probably means you have won a close but clear fight.

You have always done it your way and will continue to do so.......

Well good luck, because it ain't fucking working so far!

Your man CALLED WITTER OUT - so when an offer is on the table he ought to be taking it, unless it was for like 50p or something.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

A 'shot' Branco beat Lynes?

From where I was watching, Lynes won pretty easily, 116-112 on my card. You don't seem to understand, if you lose on an SD in Italy, it probably means you have won a close but clear fight.

You have always done it your way and will continue to do so.......

Well good luck, because it ain't fucking working so far!

Your man CALLED WITTER OUT - so when an offer is on the table he ought to be taking it, unless it was for like 50p or something.

From why I come from you don't cry over spilt milk and cry that the judges robbed you in Italy. You go there like Lloyd Honeyghan did and take the guy out like he did to Gianfranco Rosi many years ago. We know what we face when we fight in the other guys hometown as we have done many times. You beat the other guy decisively so that even his own fans don't think he won.

Our way has taken us to the verge of the WBC title as we are now the number 3 contender.

If Witter wants a fight he can have it but he cannot have it for free. What is the point of beating him and going home with no money. As far as I am aware slavery was abolished a long time ago.

[TFFP]

You don't deserve that position. You should have been relegated 10 places for those complete and utter jokes you called fights in your last 3 outings. A 29 year old with over 20 fights taking those fights, one against a rank amateur is nothing short of a disgrace.

If and when you get in the ring with any of the champs, or numerous others in the top 10 you will lose. Kotelnik would beat you into next week. You will not show your face around here when it happens considering your bold claims.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

You don't deserve that position. You should have been relegated 10 places for those complete and utter jokes you called fights in your last 3 outings. A 29 year old with over 20 fights taking those fights, one against a rank amateur is nothing short of a disgrace.

If and when you get in the ring with any of the champs, or numerous others in the top 10 you will lose. Kotelnik would beat you into next week. You will not show your face around here when it happens considering your bold claims.

Kotelnik cannot beat us nor can any 140 or 147 pounder in the world in the world for that matter. We got the ranking because we earned it by winning and remaining unbeaten unlike your friends Barnes, Witter and Lynes who all have been either stopped or beaten. Quite frankly our focus is not on those losers rather it is on the WBC champion Timothy Bradley and the number 1 contender Devon Alexander.

[TFFP]

Bradley will beat your wild looking ass too. Alexander is poor and just as protected as yourselves, you'll have a good chance there.

[Beeston Brawler]

Kotelnik cannot beat us nor can any 140 or 147 pounder in the world in the world for that matter. We got the ranking because we earned it by winning and remaining unbeaten unlike your friends Barnes, Witter and Lynes who all have been either stopped or beaten. Quite frankly our focus is not on those losers rather it is on the WBC champion Timothy Bradley and the number 1 contender Devon Alexander.

:patsch

I am used to seeing stupid posts on the General Forum, but by some distance the claim in this post is the dumbest ever seen on here.

So Margarito, Cotto, Berto, Mosley, DLH, Pacquiao, Hatton, Williams or Malignaggi would all lose to Olusegun.

Could you really see Margarito or any of the others taking your pitty patty punches and being scared?

In terms of the unbeaten record, I think I could have beaten most of those patsies on your record - other than pulling their pants up, what have they actually proven?

Losers like Witter, Lynes and Barnes - well, between them they have won belts at every level and defended them, and have only seven losses between them from over a hundred fights. Your last opponent had three, from only four fights!

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Bradley will beat your wild looking ass too. Alexander is poor and just as protected as yourselves, you'll have a good chance there.

Bradley is a good lad and he can fight but we will beat unlike your chum Witter. Devon Alexander is a very respectable fighter who should not be labelled as poor rather you can find domestic fighters here to throw that label at.

[Beeston Brawler]

Like Ajose!

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Like Ajose!

No I was actually thinking of Lynes actually.

[Beeston Brawler]

Yeah a really poor domestic fighter - one who would put your boy into retirement!

[icemax]

...as we are now the number 3 contender.


Behind Barry Chuckle and Godfrey from Dads Army :nut

[icemax]

Kotelnik cannot beat us nor can any 140 or 147 pounder in the world in the world for that matter.

FFS :-(

[saturday_kid]

Gotta agree there, maybe your poll was deserved Beeston, i'm getting pulled either way, Olu G Rotimi i know its none of my business and fairplay for backing your fighter but you seem to have gone all defensive and a bit deluded imo, when Ajose has beaten more fighters of note then you can slag Witter, Lynes, Barnes.

["TKO"]

People that would beat Ajose at 140/147:

Kotelnik
Judah
Bradley
Cotto
Margarito
Clottey
Mosley

And the rest....

[Olu G. Rotimi]

:patsch

I am used to seeing stupid posts on the General Forum, but by some distance the claim in this post is the dumbest ever seen on here.

So Margarito, Cotto, Berto, Mosley, DLH, Pacquiao, Hatton, Williams or Malignaggi would all lose to Olusegun.

Could you really see Margarito or any of the others taking your pitty patty punches and being scared?

In terms of the unbeaten record, I think I could have beaten most of those patsies on your record - other than pulling their pants up, what have they actually proven?

Losers like Witter, Lynes and Barnes - well, between them they have won belts at every level and defended them, and have only seven losses between them from over a hundred fights. Your last opponent had three, from only four fights!

First of all we have beaten much better fighters than Lynes, Barnes and Witter. I purposely put them in the order of the worst fighter 1st. Nuumbembee, Pryce, Kpadenue and Holgate were better than these guys except arguably Witter. Nuubembee is better than Witter and would win if they fought. Nuumbembee was robbed and got a draw against Barnes. We knocked Nuubembee out even though he is a bigger man in a higher weight division. No one in the UK can handle us period and I don't care which of them you pick.

Well if you can fight as you claim then please come to the gym we can use you for sparring sessions if you are any good.

We can beat all the guys at 147 right now. Some would be more difficult than others. Pacman is a great fighter a genuine all time great but step in with us he will discover is not fighting the likes of Ndou or Dangerous David Diaz. Paul Williams would be the most difficult stylewise but we would beat him.

[Fat Joe]

Where is this Ajose guy on the P4P list? I wouldn't recognise him if he walked past me in the street.

[icemax]

We can beat all the guys at 147 right now. Some would be more difficult than others. Pacman is a great fighter a genuine all time great but step in with us he will discover is not fighting the likes of Ndou or Dangerous David Diaz. Paul Williams would be the most difficult stylewise but we would beat him.

End of thread, and any vestige of credibility you may have. Pathetic. Pacman, Williams...have a fucking word with yourself :-(

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Olu, for the sake of argument and to rescue any vestige of credibility you have had, please tell me how:

Ajose beats Margarito?
Ajose beats Cotto?
Ajose beats Cintron?
Ajose beats Mosley?
Ajose beats Williams?

he has displayed nothing in his career so far to suggest that level of potential. If he was that good, why did his last fight go the distance.

I think of something Teddy Atlas said: "if you go in with a guy a couple of levels below you, you should take 'em out like they're a couple of levels below you."

Fluxstuff thank you for the invitation to elaborate.

Margarito is a Mexican pressure fighter who brings the heat but is slow with not many skills. Less skilled and fast southpaw Daniel Santos outpointed him. Clottey's fast hands were handling him until Clottey broke his hands in their contest. Margo will keep coming and we will outbox him and burst him up. We would also go to the body something Cotto did or could not do. Make him miss and make him pay.

I love Miguel Cotto to death and he is one of my favourite fighters today. However in match up with Ajose you might be shocked that this fight will only be as hard as Ajose decides to make it. The trick with Cotto is not to meet force with force unless you are Margarito.

Cintron is really a 1 trick pony. Great puncher so you take away his weapons and brake his heart and hev will quit.

Mosley would have been a difficult fight in any era however right now Shane has slowed down hence the key is to make him fight at our own tempo. He most likely will not get stopped due to his durability. Real strong man to however we are not Mayorga.

Williams is a real problem for anyone at Welterweight. We would have to be at our best. Our all round game woyuld have to come into play similar to Ray Leonard against the great Tommy Hearns. Difficult assignment but achievable.

Final thing you need to know about my guy the bettter the competition the better he fights. We might practice our skills against the less talented journeymen against the higher calibre guys we take them out ask Nuumbembee, Pryce, Holgate et al.

As for Teddy Atlas I don't rate hiom as a human being or trainer. Pulling a gun on a 15 year old Tyson does not get my respect. I think Atlas despises his fighters because he wants to be the star and he is not.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

End of thread, and any vestige of credibility you may have. Pathetic. Pacman, Williams...have a fucking word with yourself :-(

How is Pacman a flywight who has moved up to Lightweight going to beat a Light Welterweight like Ajose who terrorises Light Middleweights and Middleweights.

Williams would be the most difficult opponent.

[9Ball]

Olu, you have shot yourself in the foot on this thread. I have seen Ajose fight a few times and he looks to be a decent Euro level fighter with the possibility of getting a title shot and earning a few quid if he is lucky.
You have said he is the best in the world and CLEARLY that is not the case....deep down you know that he is not anywhere near World Champion level. I would have followed his career with interest and might have got behind him but now after reading your rediculous comments on this thread I am only looking forward to the day Ajose gets KTFO!!!!!! And by the way, get that massive bag of potatoes off your shoulders, talking about racism where it NEVER appeared. TFFP is a very knowleagable guy and was offering an opinion as to the credability of a belt which not many people have heard of. That doesn't make him a racist, more a realist. Please take the Witter fight, as much as I dont like the guy he would most likely KO Ajose ;)

[Claypole]

Final thing you need to know about my guy the bettter the competition the better he fights. We might practice our skills against the less talented journeymen against the higher calibre guys we take them out ask Nuumbembee, Pryce, Holgate et al.

Beating these "higher calibre" opponents does not justify the claim that your man has the beating of the world's very best fighters.

Nuumbembee, Pryce and Holgate are all domestic level boxers who have been beaten by other domestic level boxers. BTW, didn't Nuumbembee take the fight on very short notice?

All we ever hear is how Jose Olusegan is good enough to beat the best, but these are just words. Can you give us some timetable concerning who he's forthcoming opponents will be? Anybody good on the horizon, or just more names for the record?

[D-MAC]

I wonder how Olusegan v Prime Ray Robinson would have worked out.

Unfortunately we will never know.

Would have been a hell of a fight; too close to call:think

[GazOC]

I wonder how Olusegan v Prime Ray Robinson would have worked out.

Unfortunately we will never know.

Would have been a hell of a fight; too close to call:think

Robinson faked death to few years back to avoid Ajose.;)

[Fat Joe]

Robinson faked death to few years back to avoid Ajose.;)

If you dug him up today he'd still have too much for this Ajose chump

[icemax]

Even at this stage of Robinsons career (i.e. dead) he would be considered too much of a live opponent for Ajose to take on.

[themacallan]

And you Sir are the equivalent of horse manure. You might not like me or Ajose which is fine as we don't require your love but to abuse a whole continent bigger than Europe says a lot about you as a person. You obviously have anger management issues as well as relating to people of different races hence your gutter behaviour. Keep playing with yourself and Witter lass.Maybe it's because africa and african boxers are generally out of sight and out of mind. In the grand scheme of things who really gives a fuck if a guy has the ABU title. If it meant so much you'd be based in and fighting in africa as it it so prestigious.

Mad lame.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Olu, you have shot yourself in the foot on this thread. I have seen Ajose fight a few times and he looks to be a decent Euro level fighter with the possibility of getting a title shot and earning a few quid if he is lucky.
You have said he is the best in the world and CLEARLY that is not the case....deep down you know that he is not anywhere near World Champion level. I would have followed his career with interest and might have got behind him but now after reading your rediculous comments on this thread I am only looking forward to the day Ajose gets KTFO!!!!!! And by the way, get that massive bag of potatoes off your shoulders, talking about racism where it NEVER appeared. TFFP is a very knowleagable guy and was offering an opinion as to the credability of a belt which not many people have heard of. That doesn't make him a racist, more a realist. Please take the Witter fight, as much as I dont like the guy he would most likely KO Ajose ;)

TFFP called the ABU title shit. I can take a lot but I will not take abusing the African title from anyone and I don't care who they are. It might not mean much to you but it means a lot in our continent and believe me they don't give it away willy nilly.

The Witter fight is available they just had to accept the counter offer. In any event the WBC are going to order the contest as an eliminator and Witter goose will be truly cooked. When we knock him out then you can apologise at least you will have the compensation of at least not liking Witter.

[9Ball]

TFFP called the ABU title shit. I can take a lot but I will not take abusing the African title from anyone and I don't care who they are. It might not mean much to you but it means a lot in our continent and believe me they don't give it away willy nilly.

The Witter fight is available they just had to accept the counter offer. In any event the WBC are going to order the contest as an eliminator and Witter goose will be truly cooked. When we knock him out then you can apologise at least you will have the compensation of at least not liking Witter.

Just because someone thinks the ABU title is worthless doesn't make them a racist Olu. TFFP may be wrong or he may be right, doesn't make him racist.

If they made an offer to you then you should accept it as you are the lesser ranked fighter. Unless you want to go into detail about the offer then your argument holds no water i'm afraid.
:good

[Olu G. Rotimi]

A few people have tried to box with Cotto or outsmart him, but he's always deceived people. The image of him as a blunt pressure fighter has been disintegrating - he has underrated movement and defence and, as well as that, he cuts the ring down and maneuvers into position quickly, landing hard shots with pretty fast hands

I find it funny that you mentioned SRL-Hearns as a match point for Ajose-Williams. The difference is that Williams isn't chinny at all, whereas Hearns definitely was. But Ray really struggled with Hearns height all the way through.

That in mind, Williams does nothing for me and has already shown a fighter with good movement can beat him.

Cintron's fairly guff, but he has the equalizer of that huge punch.

You're right about Margo being easy to outbox - Cotto was doing that, but his fitness (and the broken nose) let him down. But keeping that up against the mental stress of a machine like margarito is an achievement for anyone - and ajose doesn't have the size advantage of Clottey.

I've never liked when boxers fight to the level of ther competition - it gives a skewed image of their abilities. If you're against a C or D level guy and you're a B class fighter, make the difference tell - ala Mayweather-Gatti, Oscar-Mayorga, Leonard-Green.

Cotto is far from 1 dimensional which actually makes it criminal that he lost to the 1 dimensional Margarito a fighter he is more skilful than. We don't need size advantage as we have beaten and stopped many bigger men. Cotto lost because he was not as fit as he should have been and neglected his body work.

I don't really think Hearns was chinny you don't go 14 rounds with Leonard if you have a glass jaw or have a 3 round war with Hagler.

I make no apologies for the confidence I have in my guy.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Robinson faked death to few years back to avoid Ajose.;)

Now Gazoc that is just being silly.

[9Ball]

Cotto is far from 1 dimensional which actually makes it criminal that he lost to the 1 dimensional Margarito a fighter he is more skilful than. We don't need size advantage as we have beaten and stopped many bigger men. Cotto lost because he was not as fit as he should have been and neglected his body work.

I don't really think Hearns was chinny you don't go 14 rounds with Leonard if you have a glass jaw or have a 3 round war with Hagler.

I make no apologies for the confidence I have in my guy.

Regarding Hearns being chinny, I think he was vulnerable early on to being rocked by shots that wouldn't normally hurt him, but if he got into a rythm and past the first few rounds he could take a shot imo.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Perhaps he underestimated Margarito a little? Who knows - he won't in the rematch, that's for certain.

I don't know if he underestimated Margarito but I do know that he is a fundamentally more gifted fighter than Margarito and he definitely had the tools to win. I noticed he started blowing after 4 rounds though he was well ahead at this point. The pace of Margarito got to him which means there was underpreparation in his conditioning. I watched the tapes of their fight preparation. I noticed Cotto was doing lots of 400 metre sprints when his roadwork needed to based on long distance endurance. I must say I still am dissappointed about this one. PBF would have stopped Margarito doing the same thing to him that he has done to the likes of Hatton and other Mexican/Mexican style pressure fighters.

Another reason I love Cotto is that he was in the same Olympics with man Ajose, Sam Peter, Audley Harrisson, Jermain Taylor etc. I hope he comes back well and I truly mean that.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Beating these "higher calibre" opponents does not justify the claim that your man has the beating of the world's very best fighters.

Nuumbembee, Pryce and Holgate are all domestic level boxers who have been beaten by other domestic level boxers. BTW, didn't Nuumbembee take the fight on very short notice?

All we ever hear is how Jose Olusegan is good enough to beat the best, but these are just words. Can you give us some timetable concerning who he's forthcoming opponents will be? Anybody good on the horizon, or just more names for the record?

We were suppossed to be fighting Ted Bami originally for the Commonwealth title and he pulled out. Colin Lynes signed up to take the fight live on Sky then chickened out again then in stepped Nuubembee a bigger supposedly stronger man no one wanted to face. He thought he was going to knock us out but realised that he was in over his head. We have had many shot gun assignment such as Bradley Pryce. We went to his home town and worked on simple rule which is that we would not get the decision so we took him out. We are looking at a title eliminator to get the mandatory position hopefully Devon Alexander as he is the number 1 contender. We need the ranking to ensure Bradley defends the prestigious WBC belt against us.

[D-MAC]

I don't know if he underestimated Margarito but I do know that he is a fundamentally more gifted fighter than Margarito and he definitely had the tools to win. I noticed he started blowing after 4 rounds though he was well ahead at this point. The pace of Margarito got to him which means there was underpreparation in his conditioning. I watched the tapes of their fight preparation. I noticed Cotto was doing lots of 400 metre sprints when his roadwork needed to based on long distance endurance. I must say I still am dissappointed about this one. PBF would have stopped Margarito doing the same thing to him that he has done to the likes of Hatton and other Mexican/Mexican style pressure fighters.

Another reason I love Cotto is that he was in the same Olympics with man Ajose, Sam Peter, Audley Harrisson, Jermain Taylor etc. I hope he comes back well and I truly mean that.


Would you have said that the blueprint for beating Cotto had been laid down by Lovemore N'dou? One could see the stamina problems emerge in that contest, with Cotto breathing heavy after the six round mark and giving away rounds down to stretch, to make it a much closer call on the scorecards that it conceiveably should have been. Margarito is just a bigger and better version of N'dou, and got the job done right because of this.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Just because someone thinks the ABU title is worthless doesn't make them a racist Olu. TFFP may be wrong or he may be right, doesn't make him racist.

If they made an offer to you then you should accept it as you are the lesser ranked fighter. Unless you want to go into detail about the offer then your argument holds no water i'm afraid.
:good

Thanks for your advice but my man is a professional and will never fight for free.We fought for free in the amateurs never as a pro. We have fought hard to get into the position we are in. An eliminator fight cannot be for peanuts or for Witter to takle all the money to top up his pension. Witter is yesterday's man quite frankly and beating him now really does not mean much other than doing boxong a service by getting rid of him but their is price for that privilege. I can understand fighting him for peanuts if he was still the WBC champion as we would have the belt but no belt and no money does not make sense.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Would you have said that the blueprint for beating Cotto had been laid down by Lovemore N'dou? One could see the stamina problems emerge in that contest, with Cotto breathing heavy after the six round mark and giving away rounds down to stretch, to make it a much closer call on the scorecards that it conceiveably should have been. Margarito is just a bigger and better version of N'dou, and got the job done right because of this.

This is a very interesting point. When you are going to fight a pressure monster you need to prepare properly. When PBF was preparing for Hatton he sparred many rounds with Ndou who bring pressure and bigger men like KOfi Jantuah. You notice afterwards Hatton was the one complaining about PBF's physicality, elbows etc.

When you don't have much skill you have to go all out which Margarito. I have to respect his performance though I did not particularly like it stylistically. By way of comparison I am a big fan of both Julio Cesar Chavez and Roberto Duran. Margarito has not got anywhere near the skill level of these legends which makes it more galling for me Cotto could not adapt. It is not as if they did not know what Margarito would do.

[D-MAC]

This is a very interesting point. When you are going to fight a pressure monster you need to prepare properly. When PBF was preparing for Hatton he sparred many rounds with Ndou who bring pressure and bigger men like KOfi Jantuah. You notice afterwards Hatton was the one complaining about PBF's physicality, elbows etc.

When you don't have much skill you have to go all out which Margarito. I have to respect his performance though I did not particularly like it stylistically. By way of comparison I am a big fan of both Julio Cesar Chavez and Roberto Duran. Margarito has not got anywhere near the skill level of these legends which makes it more galling for me Cotto could not adapt. It is not as if they did not know what Margarito would do.

I just think that Cotto will always have problems with rangy bangers (pressure fighters in general actually) with good chins, who stay on top of him the whole fight, and use their own stamina as a weapon to make Cotto fight at a pace he isn't comfortable with. They know that they cannot match him technique wise, but they can push him towards the brink with their own workrate by making him increase his punch output. I noticed that Cotto, when he was doing well against Margarito, was sliding up and down the ropes and landing with crisp counters. The problems started when he started to remain stationary on the ropes, content just to use restricted head and upper movement. Cotto may be able to improve his workrate by a change in training methods; then again he may just have in-built stamina issues that are not easily solved, and which will mean that contests were he is pitted against pressure fighters with good punch resistance will always cause him discomfort.

[icemax]

I don't know if he underestimated Margarito but I do know that he is a fundamentally more gifted fighter than Margarito and he definitely had the tools to win. .

Unfortunately he left his tool box at home.

[icemax]

An eliminator fight cannot be for peanuts or for Witter to takle all the money to top up his pension. Witter is yesterday's man quite frankly and beating him now really does not mean much other than doing boxong a service by getting rid of him but their is price for that privilege. I can understand fighting him for peanuts if he was still the WBC champion as we would have the belt but no belt and no money does not make sense.

Others on here have said that you are OK, but to be quite honest I think that you are more than a bit of a prick. Stop talking shite and get your man between the ropes.......no fucking excuse.

[9Ball]

Thanks for your advice but my man is a professional and will never fight for free.We fought for free in the amateurs never as a pro. We have fought hard to get into the position we are in. An eliminator fight cannot be for peanuts or for Witter to takle all the money to top up his pension. Witter is yesterday's man quite frankly and beating him now really does not mean much other than doing boxong a service by getting rid of him but their is price for that privilege. I can understand fighting him for peanuts if he was still the WBC champion as we would have the belt but no belt and no money does not make sense.

I am sure you are exagerating somewhat but if you want your fighter to carry on fighting nobodies and earning a reputation of being scared of taking on named fighters then thats up to you. I guess you will regret it when your boy does step up in class, can't cope and gets ko'd!

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I seem to recall Cotto saying he'd gassed at the midway point and this was the first time he'd really paid for it. I'll try and find the interview, but it was a translation job so I can't be sure.

When Ray Leonard lost to Duran, a lot of contemporary reports said he couldn't beat him - Duran just had his number. Of course, Ray could adapt and, in my opinion, busted Duran up towards the end of their first fight. The rematch showed how easily Ray could dominate a guy like that.

Cotto was clearly outclassing Margarito for the first five rounds and managed to win the tenth before getting clocked right at the end. So, even exhausted and battered he still had the skills to do it. He just needs the conditioning.

I think Duran was able to impose his will on Leonard in their 1st fight to the extent that Leonard tactically fought the wrong fight. Duran was a highly skilled assassin not the typical Latin Macho man. The key difference forme was that with all his savageness, terror, power etc he did not like to get hit and had a great defence.

As you know I agree with you about Cotto and Margarito however the performance on the night is now giving people a warped sense of Maegarito's true standing. The truth is Cotto can definitely beat as will Paul Williams again. Santana might be able to as well. PBF definitely. Personally I was surprised ODLH turned him down as he would have got more kudos for defeating than fighting a fighter several weight divisions below like Pacman.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I do agree with you here. Witter has the right to the lion's share of a purse, but he's not a draw and he's not a champion right now. 60/40 would be fair, surely?

Fluxstuff while I will not go into the exact details of the money at a 60/40 split we would sign and I would have bitten their hand off to get that purse split even on 2 weeks notice.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Others on here have said that you are OK, but to be quite honest I think that you are more than a bit of a prick. Stop talking shite and get your man between the ropes.......no fucking excuse.

You might think I am a prick but your opinon on me are irrelevant quite. I might know that you are a shit and a prick but don't really care. I will not take lectures from you about how to conduct my guys career. You are the type who thinkswe should fight for free and not have the time to train.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I am sure you are exagerating somewhat but if you want your fighter to carry on fighting nobodies and earning a reputation of being scared of taking on named fighters then thats up to you. I guess you will regret it when your boy does step up in class, can't cope and gets ko'd!

The problem with you and others is that you fail to listen. The minute Witter lost the WBC title he became irrelevant. The key guys for us are Tim Bradley the WBC champion and Devon Alexander the number 1 contender. There is no gain from Witter really as defeating him does not guarantee the number contender mandatory slot like beating Devon Alexander or an official eliminator. We would still take it but not for peanuts.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Yeah a really poor domestic fighter - one who would put your boy into retirement!

Beeston Brawler I saw your poll about me as a poster. I will forgive you for the insult and not rise to your level I think it says more about you than me quite frankly. I noticed in that thread you apologised so I will say no more about it and accept your apology publicly. Good Lad. In fact I might give you a ringside ticket for when Ajose fights for the WBC title sat beside Top Dog, Dunky, Elle, Richdam, Dwilson, Jeff Thomas and Fluxstuff.

[RichDam]

Beeston Brawler I saw your poll about me as a poster. I will forgive you for the insult and not rise to your level I think it says more about you than me quite frankly. I noticed in that thread you apologised so I will say no more about it and accept your apology publicly. Good Lad. In fact I might give you a ringside ticket for when Ajose fights for the WBC title sat beside Top Dog, Dunky, Elle, Richdam, Dwilson, Jeff Thomas and Fluxstuff.

Was a needless poll. This is a discussion forum, not a popularity contest.

No belt and no money makes no sense.

[alba]

olu i wonder why you rate the wbf intertattie title so high?i apprciate your boy has won legitimitae belts throguh out his career but you imply that he got his number 3 rating due to the fact he holds the wbf intercontintel belt (along wioth other belts).

the wbf arent even a legit organinsation (in the sense of prestige) and are on the outside to most boxing fans.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

olu i wonder why you rate the wbf intertattie title so high?i apprciate your boy has won legitimitae belts throguh out his career but you imply that he got his number 3 rating due to the fact he holds the wbf intercontintel belt (along wioth other belts).

the wbf arent even a legit organinsation (in the sense of prestige) and are on the outside to most boxing fans.

I think you are missing the point it is actually that we won the ABU title that got us into the WBC rankings. We took the WBF Intercontinental not necessarily for the title but to defeat Holgate in our 7th fight as a novice professional. Beating the much more experienced Holgate was a key milestone and showed a lot about what we are all about.

[riot187]

First of all the ABU title and WBF Intercontinental are higher titles than Commonwealth level. We are taking every title available to us on the way to the world title. Witter can have the fight as we did not turn him down or price ourselves out. We made a counter offer and they have gone silent proving once again that they don't want it.

Witter is nothing and in my opinion means nothing whatsoever. He can put up or shut up but he is not worthy of consideration quite frankly. Men like Pryce and Nuubembee are bigger men at higher weight divisions handled with ease. I can guarantee that Ajose would knock Witter out.

Sorry, but Witter would stop your boy in six, seven rounds in all honesty. I like Ajose, but there's just somthing lacking other than the obvious experience at World level. I like him and always want him to do well, but he's always struck me as ever so slightly "plodding" when I've seen him fight. I was expecting that little something special after all I heard, but I've yet to see it. Good luck to him though, like I said, I kinda like him still, but Witter just has that bit of something special that will see him uncork one on Ajose's chin sooner or later. Don;t forget, Witter has often struggled against opponents only to "pull one out the hat". Ans for the record I really dislike Junior, arrogant as he is, but the truth is the truth. Sorry.

[Claypole]

Don;t forget, Witter has often struggled against opponents only to "pull one out the hat". Only against inferior fighters, though. It never happened against Bradley, and I doubt whether it would happen against Olusegan.
Whatever Witter had, it was never fantastic, and he doesn't seem to have it any more.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think he would have a bit too much in every department for Olu.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Sorry, but Witter would stop your boy in six, seven rounds in all honesty. I like Ajose, but there's just somthing lacking other than the obvious experience at World level. I like him and always want him to do well, but he's always struck me as ever so slightly "plodding" when I've seen him fight. I was expecting that little something special after all I heard, but I've yet to see it. Good luck to him though, like I said, I kinda like him still, but Witter just has that bit of something special that will see him uncork one on Ajose's chin sooner or later. Don;t forget, Witter has often struggled against opponents only to "pull one out the hat". Ans for the record I really dislike Junior, arrogant as he is, but the truth is the truth. Sorry.

You will obviously be pleasantly surprised when we stop Witter.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I think he would have a bit too much in every department for Olu.

Unfortunately for Witter he will discover that we have much to much for him on the night. Witter trades on his switch stance awkwardness from the Ingle camp. Let us just say we more than know how to deal with his mojo.

[TFFP]

Olusegun just isn't that good, and most people know it. He hasn't even been majorly impressive against very moderate opposition at times. Gary Reid and Nigel Wright?

He wings in wide punches and his power is average. To me he's an athlete and not a boxer. He will get his ass handed to him by a good boxer, take it to the bank.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Olusegun just isn't that good, and most people know it. He hasn't even been majorly impressive against very moderate opposition at times. Gary Reid and Nigel Wright?

He wings in wide punches and his power is average. To me he's an athlete and not a boxer. He will get his ass handed to him by a good boxer, take it to the bank.

If you want to be a fool and lose your money then bet against Ajose Olusegun.

[TFFP]

If you want to be a fool and lose your money then bet against Ajose Olusegun.
The only fool will be you, as I have no emotional attatchment and will make a judgement call.

When I predict his loss in advance depending on his opponent, provided you move him up from the Alex Spitko's of this world, I will make the prediction and laugh you off the forum.

If you even return.

[Beeston Brawler]

If Olu did beat Witter, I would be the first (well, maybe not) to say well done, and admit that I got it wrong.

However, beating a load of bums is no way to try to convince people that this is possible.

Until he beats someone like Lynes, Rees or Barnes, by schooling, my mind won't be changing any time soon.

[Benjiabc]

lets be honest, witter would spark this guy anyway, end of

[Top Dog]

If you want to be a fool and lose your money then bet against Ajose Olusegun.

Awright Olu:thumbsup There are a few guys still needing to be convinced by Ajose:think Well, I hope your man gets the chance, he hasnt ducked anyone, takes on good opponents at short notice, is unbeaten, so he deserves a shot at someone with a decent title. Gaunyurself Ajose, and all the best.
By the way I will hold you to the promise of a ringside seat if it comes off:thumbsup

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Awright Olu:thumbsup There are a few guys still needing to be convinced by Ajose:think Well, I hope your man gets the chance, he hasnt ducked anyone, takes on good opponents at short notice, is unbeaten, so he deserves a shot at someone with a decent title. Gaunyurself Ajose, and all the best.
By the way I will hold you to the promise of a ringside seat if it comes off:thumbsup

Definitely Top Dog. The day the WBC title fight is signed I will be arranging free ringside tickets for you and the others. The key thing as you have rightly noted is that we have ducked no-one, beaten good opponents at short notice even those in higher weight divisions.

[Beeston Brawler]

I will look forward to that :good

[kurt2006]

Beeston Brawler I saw your poll about me as a poster. I will forgive you for the insult and not rise to your level I think it says more about you than me quite frankly. I noticed in that thread you apologised so I will say no more about it and accept your apology publicly. Good Lad. In fact I might give you a ringside ticket for when Ajose fights for the WBC title sat beside Top Dog, Dunky, Elle, Richdam, Dwilson, Jeff Thomas and Fluxstuff.

Ajose is shit has no skill he will never be WBC champ. He is so crap that he is not even worthy of a WBF (world boxing faggots) belt let alone the WBU strap.

Seeing as I have slagged him off can I get a few ringside freebie tickets as well (for when he fights for the WBC title) :good

Come on everyone slag off Ollie and you can also have freebie tickets.

[Top Dog]

Ajose is shit has no skill he will never be WBC champ. He is so crap that he is not even worthy of a WBF (world boxing faggots) belt let alone the WBU strap.

Seeing as I have slagged him off can I get a few ringside freebie tickets as well (for when he fights for the WBC title) :good

Come on everyone slag off Ollie and you can also have freebie tickets.

To say Ajose is shit, is just stupid, if he is shite nearly everyone in britain apart from Calzaghe is shit also then eh:bart Give the guy a chance to prove himself before you write him off

[icemax]

Give the guy a chance to prove himself before you write him off

Its not us who need to give him a chance, he needs to give himself one.

[ScouseLad]

Shameless bump.

Next opponent - Scott Haywood

19 wins, 4 ko's, 2 defeats, never fought a 12 rounder.

Ermm...well at least its a 12 rounder and someone who hasnt got a losing record I suppose.

[John18]

Not sure if this is funny or tragic after reading some of this thread.

[brown bomber]

Haywood is talented... Ajose is in a position where he will very shortly be contesting a major title. In terms of a marking time match its not too bad....

["TKO"]

Haywood is talented... Ajose is in a position where he will very shortly be contesting a major title. In terms of a marking time match its not too bad....

He's had about a dozen marking time matches lately. Fights like this aren't going to get the guy into a position where he's prepared to take on a true world class fighter. IMHO, if he doesn't take on some of the "step up" type opponents, he's going to be hopelessly out of his depth when the title shot does come.