RJJ v Calzaghe

[teke]

Time to put your picks in people.

Im going with my heart

RJJ by KO babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy :happy:happy:happy

[ipswich express]

Calzaghe by stoppage or points. I think Roy's legs are gone. Still perhaps he can turn the clock back one last time.

[pecks]

Calzaghe by stoppage around the 8th. Jones may have his moments, but he is well past it now.

On another note, Liverpool are beating Chelsea at the bridge. :happy

[Kegsy]

I hope im wrong but i think Roy is long finished at a elite level.

[Dojo]

Liverpool blow. Anyway, I'd love to see one last great performance from Roy, can't see it happening though. Joe will be too busy for him. One good thing is I won't have to pay for it...free to air in Indonesia.

[riggers]

Calzaghe dominates Jones the same way Holmes dominated Ali, and for the same reasons.

[Dr Gonzo]

RJJ, i hope :)

[Rise Above]

Calzaghe by UD.

[sallywinder]

if the 'old' roy emerges, he'll bash joe. but if OLD roy turns up, he may get bashed himself...

if roy has finally got over his massive weight loss from heavy to light heavy (his downfall) he may show some old spark...

but at this point, i'll go joe, by ko..!

[pecks]

Roy is washed up.
Everyone wants to believe that he can wind back the clock, and it'd be magic to see it. But it simply wont happen.

Roy may show flashes of brilliance, and trouble Calzaghe with his speed at times, but he cannot sustain his brilliance for a long enough time to win this fight, or to win more than a few rounds.

Calzaghe has faded a little bit too, but his style doesn't age as badly as Roy's, plus he can absorb some punishment.

[WhataRock]

I actually for some reason want to see Roy win..not sure why I was never the biggest Roy fan, though I certainly at times was in awe of his abilities.

But Joe takes this, Roy is far to past his best and Joe is only just past it.

[ozziebattler]

Liverpool blow. Anyway, I'd love to see one last great performance from Roy, can't see it happening though. Joe will be too busy for him. One good thing is I won't have to pay for it...free to air in Indonesia.


Indonesia big fight fans??

Strange thought it was a very strict Islamic nation.

[sallywinder]

Indonesia big fight fans??

Strange thought it was a very strict Islamic nation.

they have tv monitors hanging above railway platforms so the public can watch the fights....

an aussie promotor, prepared to take a risk, would do very well promoting 'international' fights in jakarta....



.

[pecks]

Indonesia big fight fans??

Strange thought it was a very strict Islamic nation.I don't think they are big fight fans, but they (as do China) get that kinda stuff for free on tv.

I heard China got the Lewis/Tyson fight for free. Usually when I watch fights online through livestreams, theyre in Chinese.

Sadly, I haven't seen one bit of footage for boxing on tb here in Japan. I'll have to watch this one through the net, if not, tekes non bias round by round will have to suffice.

[WhataRock]

I don't think they are big fight fans, but they (as do China) get that kinda stuff for free on tv.

I heard China got the Lewis/Tyson fight for free. Usually when I watch fights online through livestreams, theyre in Chinese.

Sadly, I haven't seen one bit of footage for boxing on tb here in Japan. I'll have to watch this one through the net, if not, tekes non bias round by round will have to suffice.

They love those Kameda boys ay?

[pecks]

They love those Kameda boys ay?Dunno who they are. who are they?

Btw, are any of you cunts taking care of Star Bar while I'm away?
My legacy needs to be upheld. :p

[BoxingTrashTalk]

I have Calzaghe by a middle rounds stoppage. His work rate is to good. He beat Hopkins, even if it was by 2 rounds.

Roy hasn't sold me. It was only 2 fights ago he struggled to get past Hanshaw who isn't top 20 at SMW.

Calzaghe wins this 10 times out of 10.

At there peaks. RJJ. But Calzaghe at his peak, would be competitive, even with RJJ at his peak, to loose by a UD by 3-4 rounds.

[IrnBruMan]

Calzaghe UD.

I can't believe some of the fucking IDIOTS in the general forum who point blank refuse to give Calzaghe any sort of credit at all.

At least they've shut up with the 'Calzaghe ducking Pavlik' bullshit, but now they're starting up with the 'Calzaghe is ducking a rematch with Hopkins' :roll:

[IrnBruMan]

Indonesia big fight fans??

Strange thought it was a very strict Islamic nation.

You say this as if Muslims hate violence :lol:

Anything goes in Indo mate, just depends on if you get caught or not, and if the police want to bust you or if you can make them a better offer :yep

[Hmmm]

Joe really is just something special. Beat Hopkins who schooled pavlik (and a host of other opponents), Beat Kessler who has obliterated anyone else he's faced (including Andrade who went the distance with Bute even KOing him at the end), Put an end to the Hype machine Lacy, made Mitchell look like a fool, ended Eubanks career and stopped a very hardy fighter in Sheika.

I dont think RJJ (as great as he once was) will have what it takes to put an end to calzaghe's reign. A prime RJJ may have had a chance but not this one.

[pecks]

Calzaghe UD.

I can't believe some of the fucking IDIOTS in the general forum who point blank refuse to give Calzaghe any sort of credit at all.

At least they've shut up with the 'Calzaghe ducking Pavlik' bullshit, but now they're starting up with the 'Calzaghe is ducking a rematch with Hopkins' :roll:Yeah. I saw you having fun there yesterday arvo. :D

It's funny how people see Hopkins perform and look great against a much lesser guy and then think he'd be able to look like that against Calzaghe.

I said long ago, that Pavlik was a hype job waiting to be exposed. He never should have been compared to guys like Calzaghe, and even Kessler.
To be fair though, I didn't think that hopkins would do him like that, but I always thought that it was a dangerous fight for Pavlik.

Great win for Hopkins no doubt, but people have got to keep things in perspective.

Lets see how good Hopkins win looks if Pavlik gets in the ring with Kessler, or someone else on his level.

[WhataRock]

Dunno who they are. who are they?

Btw, are any of you cunts taking care of Star Bar while I'm away?
My legacy needs to be upheld. :p

I cant say that I have been in a while..Last 2 times I have been denied entry cause I had no chicks with me. Should have dropped your name.
You ever hit up northies in cronulla? Fuck me the talent...Wall to wall wankers but they arent to bad, the birds make up for it.

RE Kameda...Supposedly they are the biggest thing in boxing over there and are pretty big stars, especially this one.

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[WhataRock]

A prime RJJ may have had a chance but not this one.

Just a chance??

Prime Roy would handle Joe no worries. This version however hasnt got much of a shot totally agree.

[pecks]

I cant say that I have been in a while..Last 2 times I have been denied entry cause I had no chicks with me. Should have dropped your name.
You ever hit up northies in cronulla? Fuck me the talent...Wall to wall wankers but they arent to bad, the birds make up for it.

RE Kameda...Supposedly they are the biggest thing in boxing over there and are pretty big stars, especially this one.

[Only registered and activated users can see links] is the one area that I've never even been to in Sydney.
Doln't really have anything against it, I've just never needed to go there.

Last time I was out that way was when we shouted dad to Kogorah Oval (back in the early 90's) to see Souths play St.George for his birthday.

Though when in Sydney, I only ever really went out locally, so since 2002/2003, I've only really gone out in the CBD area, The Rocks, or Surry Hills.

[IrnBruMan]

Yeah. I saw you having fun there yesterday arvo. :D

It's funny how people see Hopkins perform and look great against a much lesser guy and then think he'd be able to look like that against Calzaghe.

I said long ago, that Pavlik was a hype job waiting to be exposed. He never should have been compared to guys like Calzaghe, and even Kessler.
To be fair though, I didn't think that hopkins would do him like that, but I always thought that it was a dangerous fight for Pavlik.

Great win for Hopkins no doubt, but people have got to keep things in perspective.

Lets see how good Hopkins win looks if Pavlik gets in the ring with Kessler, or someone else on his level.

These same people try to come across as knowledgeable by constantly using the 'styles make fights' comment, yet they can't apply the same concept to Hopkins' defeat of Pavlik - in their eyes it was a master class.

Indeed, it was a clinic, but to suggest that Pavlik was anything but a 1-2 orthodox fighter is reaching.

[teke]

I rewatched the Hopkins v Joe fight the other day and it was the same Hopkins that fought Joe. The rematch would be the same only Hopkins a year and a bit older

[sallywinder]

I rewatched the Hopkins v Joe fight the other day and it was the same Hopkins that fought Joe.

you are very observant teke....:-(

[teke]

you are very observant teke....:-(Now now dont be a smarty pants, as the old very but very common saying says, styles make fights. Nard was in with a craftier fighter than Pavlik blah blah blah same ole story second time around

[pecks]

The rematch would be the same only Hopkins a year and a bit olderSo Calzaghe would still be the same age? :huh

[teke]

So Calzaghe would still be the same age? :huhfuckup :lol:

He's not going to get past Jones anyway :deal

[pecks]

fuckup :lol:

He's not going to get past Jones anyway :dealAvatar bet? :hey

[teke]

Avatar bet? :heyOK, im going against my head on this one cause my heart tells me Jones will win.

2 week avatar bet, deal.

[Hmmm]

Just a chance??

Prime Roy would handle Joe no worries. This version however hasnt got much of a shot totally agree.

I disagree. I think prime RJJ vs Prime JC would have been a 50/50 matchup.

Joe is the master of adaptation, he would have found a way to adapt to RJJ's style and the 2nd half of the fight would have been much more difficult for RJJ. Give JC some credit buddy :good

[teke]

Joe is not a master of adaptation even if he were he would be either knocked out later or lessen the wide UD loss.

[IrnBruMan]

Joe is not a master of adaptation even if he were he would be either knocked out later or lessen the wide UD loss.

What?!? :lol:

[teke]

What?!? :lol:responding to Hmmms post

[ipswich express]

Calzaghe clearly is the master of adapting to another fighters style. Ray Charles could see that.

[Marcus]

Calzaghe clearly is the master of adapting to another fighters style. Ray Charles could see that.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And your right.

[teke]

Calzaghe clearly is the master of adapting to another fighters style. Ray Charles could see that.Coming from a Joe Nuthugger :yep

PS - Eat a dick Marcus :lol:

[ipswich express]

Coming from a Joe Nuthugger :yep

PS - Eat a dick Marcus :lol:
Nuthugger...it's a term that's thrown around all too casually on the net. I can just call a great fighter when I see one :) I've been saying for years Joe is one of the best fighters on the planet. I've been on the train for many years... it's a good feeling being proven right. :D

[WhataRock]

I disagree. I think prime RJJ vs Prime JC would have been a 50/50 matchup.

Joe is the master of adaptation, he would have found a way to adapt to RJJ's style and the 2nd half of the fight would have been much more difficult for RJJ. Give JC some credit buddy :good

Adapting to a prime RJJ is a totally different situation.

Id say Toney would be just as good at adapting and he couldnt do jack in that fight.

I give Joe credit, have for years. Argued to I was blue into face that there was no way he was losing the Kessler and Hopkins fights. Probably more of a fan of his than I ever was of Roy.

But I think you are totally underrating a Prime RJJ, who rarely even lost a round in his prime, against guys as quick, versatile and awkward as Joe.

[ipswich express]

Adapting to a prime RJJ is a totally different situation.

Id say Toney would be just as good at adapting and he couldnt do jack in that fight.

I give Joe credit, have for years. Argued to I was blue into face that there was no way he was losing the Kessler and Hopkins fights. Probably more of a fan of his than I ever was of Roy.

But I think you are totally underrating a Prime RJJ, who rarely even lost a round in his prime, against guys as quick, versatile and awkward as Joe.

The difference being that Toney had nothing cos he couldn't maintain his weight. Calzaghe was far more disciplined out of the ring then James ever was.

[JOSEY WALES]

Joe is not a master of adaptation even if he were he would be either knocked out later or lessen the wide UD loss.

:yikes WHAT ? Joe has built the latter part of his career cultivating this specific aspect of the sweet science , earlier in his career (when Calzaghe's hands were up to it ) his game plan was to out bang anyone as his ko ratio suggests , then when said hands were really too far gone to cope with this he reinvented himself into a fighter who's biggest weapon IS ADAPTABILITY , Joe throws punches in bunches scoring at will once he had figured his opponent out , so called boxing experts will tell you he slaps just because this is the POPULAR opinion to hold but how come nobody has been able to just walk through these so called slaps over the last 10 fights Joe has had ? Lacy couldn't and he was as tough as they come , Bika is an animal who was slapped silly during the latter rounds , Kessler ? kessler is a massive 168'er who despite catching Joe cleanly with some awesome shots had to give up the ghost because he was getting "Slapped" out of sight ,Hopkins ? Old Bernie is one bad arse as his recent scrap with Pavlik would suggest ,how come he couldn't do fuck all v a "Slapper" ? these blokes were out thought by Calzaghe and this allowed Joe to "Slap" his way to un fancied ( to some ) wins against ALL and i see RJJ being no different . i see a few knowledgeable fight fans here saying Roy but in the bottom of their hearts they really are just Hoping that Joe gets beaten because they don't want to see Calzaghe retire unbeaten .ive had all this shit out with the Yanks on the main board over the last few weeks with even some saying Calzaghe ain't fuck all until he beats Dawson ( It was Pavlik two weeks before ) :patsch ..Win lose or Draw v Jones Calzaghe is as smart a fighter that he is a buisness man and lets face facts this fight as was the Hopkins fight prior is a buisness fight , Joe as a serious boxer was finished when he became the Undisputed 168'er on this Planet :deal .

[ipswich express]

And the #1 Light Heavyweight as well....

[TheDuke]

Roy will win, Joe doesn't have enough melanin for my liking

[ashley]

Joe by work rate UD.....Roy will look good for a while but Joe will work him down.

[JOSEY WALES]

Roy will win, Joe doesn't have enough melanin for my liking Are you Teke in disguise ? :shock:

[JOSEY WALES]

And the #1 Light Heavyweight as well.... Oh Yea , I forgot that trivial trinket :lol:

[TheDuke]

Are you Teke in disguise ? :shock:

You're good you! I wuz role playing:D:good

[ipswich express]

Oh Yea , I forgot that trivial trinket :lol:

:huh The Ring mag belt? It's got more credibility than every organisation out there in my opinion. It's not fool proof, but none of them are...

[teke]

:yikes WHAT ? Joe has built the latter part of his career cultivating this specific aspect of the sweet science , earlier in his career (when Calzaghe's hands were up to it ) his game plan was to out bang anyone as his ko ratio suggests , then when said hands were really too far gone to cope with this he reinvented himself into a fighter who's biggest weapon IS ADAPTABILITY , Joe throws punches in bunches scoring at will once he had figured his opponent out , so called boxing experts will tell you he slaps just because this is the POPULAR opinion to hold but how come nobody has been able to just walk through these so called slaps over the last 10 fights Joe has had ? Lacy couldn't and he was as tough as they come , Bika is an animal who was slapped silly during the latter rounds , Kessler ? kessler is a massive 168'er who despite catching Joe cleanly with some awesome shots had to give up the ghost because he was getting "Slapped" out of sight ,Hopkins ? Old Bernie is one bad arse as his recent scrap with Pavlik would suggest ,how come he couldn't do fuck all v a "Slapper" ? these blokes were out thought by Calzaghe and this allowed Joe to "Slap" his way to un fancied ( to some ) wins against ALL and i see RJJ being no different . i see a few knowledgeable fight fans here saying Roy but in the bottom of their hearts they really are just Hoping that Joe gets beaten because they don't want to see Calzaghe retire unbeaten .ive had all this shit out with the Yanks on the main board over the last few weeks with even some saying Calzaghe ain't fuck all until he beats Dawson ( It was Pavlik two weeks before ) :patsch ..Win lose or Draw v Jones Calzaghe is as smart a fighter that he is a buisness man and lets face facts this fight as was the Hopkins fight prior is a buisness fight , Joe as a serious boxer was finished when he became the Undisputed 168'er on this Planet :deal .In my opinion there is nothing wrong with your post but i have not seen Joe in any situations apart the KEssler fight where he has had to adapt or change his plan mid fight, wouldnt you agree? HE's usually just outskilled them with his speed of hands and feet from the get go.

I wouldnt mind him being unbeaten but he has come up against my 2 all time favs. So he gets no love at the moment :yep

[Dojo]

Indonesia big fight fans??

Strange thought it was a very strict Islamic nation.
Most of the guys I've met know far more about boxing than the average Aussie that's for sure, PPV doesn't exist, so every week people wake up on a sunday morning and have fights from the US on free to air (usually starting around 9.00 am if it's a Vegas card). Chris John is treated like a god, not to the extent that Pac is in the Philippines, but not too far off.

[pecks]

Most of the guys I've met know far more about boxing than the average Aussie that's for sure, PPV doesn't exist, so every week people wake up on a sunday morning and have fights from the US on free to air (usually starting around 9.00 am if it's a Vegas card). Chris John is treated like a god, not to the extent that Pac is in the Philippines, but not too far off.Are you going to stick around to see the Amrosi execution?

[Dojo]

Are you going to stick around to see the Amrosi execution?

I'll give it a miss I think, it's bad enough where I stay is about a block from a big arse mosque...every morning at sunrise you get some guy moaning in a microphone a call to prayer in arabic. Brutal. How Japan going man?

[pecks]

I'll give it a miss I think, it's bad enough where I stay is about a block from a big arse mosque...every morning at sunrise you get some guy moaning in a microphone a call to prayer in arabic. Brutal. How Japan going man?Going great. am loving it here, though need to find a job soon.

I have an interview this Friday. If I get it, it'll basically secure me, and theres even a chance I might be able to get sponsored later down the track, meaning I can stay longer.

[JOSEY WALES]

You're good you! I wuz role playing:D:good :lol: :good

[JOSEY WALES]

:huh The Ring mag belt? It's got more credibility than every organisation out there in my opinion. It's not fool proof, but none of them are... True mate ( I was jesting ) i hold the ring Mag title higher than any ABC title Ippy like you say its not fool proof but who was touting anyone other than Nard as the man @ L/Heavy Pre Calzaghe getting his paws on said title ? its only after he beat Hopkins that the masses started proclaiming Dawson as the the greatest thing since sliced bread , before old man Hopkins schooled Pavlik it was he that was the man , the truth is mate there will always be another Lacy , Pavlik ,Dawson whoever for Joe to prove himself against . Undisputed S/Middle weight Champ & the Ring Mag L/heavyweight champion belt should suffice as testerment to Calzaghe's career but for some he will recive the respect he deserves mate . :-(

[JOSEY WALES]

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with your post but i have not seen Joe in any situations apart the KEssler fight where he has had to adapt or change his plan mid fight, wouldnt you agree? HE's usually just outskilled them with his speed of hands and feet from the get go.

I wouldnt mind him being unbeaten but he has come up against my 2 all time favs. So he gets no love at the moment :yep Yes Teke actually if you study his career since the Mitcheal fight he has had to fall back on plans B,C & D sometimes he forgets he has bad hands EG the Bika fight however after a bollocking off Old Enzo he reverted to plan , during the Hopkins fight he changed tactics a few times as well to counter crafty old fucker Slopkins, i know you got Bernie & Roys posters up in your bedroom alongside other GREATS like Mundine but give the lad his due Teke old son if , he was an Aussie kid trained by his Father in a shed up in the outback near woolafuckinbunnga ( or whatever these Aussie towns are called ) using a rolled up carpet as a heavy bag he would be walking around Australia with with the chants of Joe,Joe,Joe in his ears from dawn till dusk :deal Ippy its been a blast telling everyone just how good the fella can box over the years only to get abuse ,then these guys finally having to admit they were wrong about him after all . Calzaghe should be appreciated whilst he is still fighting as he will be missed five years down the pipe . a bit like Floyd really ,you don't know what you got until its gone .

[Infern0]

Joe by Split.

Why is this in Australian Boxing lol

[Axe]

Heart says Jones, brain says Calzaghe, because RJJ is shot as shit.

[teke]

Heart says Jones, brain says Calzaghe, because RJJ is shot as shit.Go with your heart like i am Axe, i got your pm and am studying it at the moment :yep

I actually was curious a few days ago to this.

[teke]

Dam im excited for this fight,

This is Roys last great stand, forget what you seen in his last fights

Come on RJJ :happy

[BIG WORM]

roy jones ill do him people, too much of a legen to be held don by slapstar

[OSKA]

Ill be at this fight. Leave for NY tomorrow and cant wait. The dude im going with is from the same town as Joe wherever that is and knows his family so hopefully I get to meet him. See what happens.

[JOSEY WALES]

Ill be at this fight. Leave for NY tomorrow and cant wait. The dude im going with is from the same town as Joe wherever that is and knows his family so hopefully I get to meet him. See what happens.

Oska ,

That will be the village of Newbridge , Nr Newport , South Wales .

enjoy the fight mate :good

[pecks]

Oska ,

That will be the village of Newbridge , Nr Newport , South Wales .

enjoy the fight mate :goodCalzaghe was born in Italy mate. :yep

[ipswich express]

Calzaghe was born in Italy mate. :yep

Actually...England if memory serves me right.

[Untested]

Joe on points.

[roscoe]

This is a stylistic fight where Roy is a huge chance of upsetting JC. I don't think JC can take Roy out but we will soon see. If Roy couldn't get Tito out of the way then he has no chance on a KO win. But a points victory is a huge possability.

[JOSEY WALES]

Actually...England if memory serves me right.


Correct , Hammersmith London England to a Sardinian Father and Welsh Mother , Joe is Welsh until it comes to Football ,then he is like any sensible ITALIAN , Me im Cardiff born and bred to Welsh parents of Scottish Stock ..

[Rise Above]

Still undecided as to whether I will pay for this fight or go to the pub.

[ashley]

I think this is almost as big as big fights go.

I will get the fight.....very interesting to see if Joe will throw 1000 slaps and win on points or if Roy will outwork him on style and movement and score enough clean shots to win.

It would be great to see Joe go out with all wins however it would also be great for Roy to hit the main page again for the right reasons.

I will tip Joe on points but my tips are so bad maybe I should go for Roy KO :huh

[BoxingTrashTalk]

I can't see this fight lasting more then 8 rounds. Calzaghe will dominate this fight from the outset. And i think it might just sink in how good he actually is. Its not often a fighter can throw so many punches.

For Roy Jones Junior, apart from a few flashes of brilliance it should spell disaster.

[WhataRock]

He will lose BTT but I cant help but think it will go the rounds.

Roy will just lay on the ropes and fight 11 secs a round. And Joe will want to play it a bit safe being his last fight.

I dont think it will be a spectacle...neither are in their prime.

Love to see Roy win for some reason.

[ashley]

Its hard for Joe because people are going to say Roy is shot if Joe wins.....Joe may need another big fight with a current top champ like Dawson or Tarver to get the full wrap he should have now.

[Sox]

I can't see this fight lasting more then 8 rounds. Calzaghe will dominate this fight from the outset. And i think it might just sink in how good he actually is. Its not often a fighter can throw so many punches.

For Roy Jones Junior, apart from a few flashes of brilliance it should spell disaster.
Bugger me, I agree with ya, well most of it anyway. :p
I think it will go all 12 though.

[Bentchassis]

Teddy Atlas has picked Roy:D

[huricn]

god i hope RJJ wins.
cause Joe dont deserve to retire undeafeted

[ipswich express]

Please, Calzaghe is one of the finest fighters of this generation... and he's never tested positive for a banned substance. :)

[JOSEY WALES]

god i hope RJJ wins.
cause Joe dont deserve to retire undeafeted


:huh WTF ? You gotta be kidding .

[teke]

:huh WTF ? You gotta be kidding .He fuckin aint.

He is a great fighter no doubt but this zero on his record is a good smoke and mirrors trick to cover his...how do you say it, rather lite resume :deal

Strong feeling he's gonna be outdone by Roy in a few days.

[teke]

If Roy can stay off the ropes he is halfway to not losing badly on the scorecards. In his prime he was awesome on the ropes when he got lazy but it wont cut it against Joe. His best bet is to stay in the middle at a distance and potshot cause Joe can be caught coming in.

Logic says Joe but i just think Jones will win, how? no idea

[teke]

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Here is what the other fighters predict.

Some of them you can see straight through their agenda eg Ruiz on Roy or Lacy and Manfredo on Joe :lol:

Im with Mosley on this one.

[JOSEY WALES]

He fuckin aint.

He is a great fighter no doubt but this zero on his record is a good smoke and mirrors trick to cover his...how do you say it, rather lite resume :deal

Strong feeling he's gonna be outdone by Roy in a few days.

Smoke and mirrors ? light resume ? Joe Calzaghe held the WBO title for Years , he unified the IBF alongside it when he battered unbeaten Jeff "left Hook " Lacy , he futher unified the 168lbs division when he beat Unbeaten Mikkel Kessler to claim the WBC & WBA ( Real not phoney WBA) titles , he then moved up still unbeaten to challenge a ring ledgend in Bernard Hopkins in Hopkins own back yard with an American ref and three American judges to claim the "Ring " L/heavyweight title at in his first attempt at said weight , now he is fighting another ring ledgend in Roy Jones Jr ( ANOTHER ) fighter you say will kick his arse in America , along the way he has beaten something like 7 recently dethroned champs and three current champs in Lacy , Kessler & Hopkins , he is a nap to be a First ballot IBHOF'r all this achived with two broken hands that doctors told him when he 13 years old would prevent him from even boxing in his fathers shed ever again let alone as a competative amature , Now fair go TEKE even as one of his most hardened haters ive ever seen on an internet forum even you should be man enough to concead Joe Calzaghe is a GREAT boxer with a GREAT resume. either that or your nationalistic bias will forever hold you in its grip and your time spent in the sport will forever be only 50% rewarded with the pleasues it gives .

[teke]

Smoke and mirrors ? light resume ? Joe Calzaghe held the WBO title for Years , he unified the IBF alongside it when he battered unbeaten Jeff "left Hook " Lacy , he futher unified the 168lbs division when he beat Unbeaten Mikkel Kessler to claim the WBC & WBA ( Real not phoney WBA) titles , he then moved up still unbeaten to challenge a ring ledgend in Bernard Hopkins in Hopkins own back yard with an American ref and three American judges to claim the "Ring " L/heavyweight title at in his first attempt at said weight , now he is fighting another ring ledgend in Roy Jones Jr ( ANOTHER ) fighter you say will kick his arse in America , along the way he has beaten something like 7 recently dethroned champs and three current champs in Lacy , Kessler & Hopkins , he is a nap to be a First ballot IBHOF'r all this achived with two broken hands that doctors told him when he 13 years old would prevent him from even boxing in his fathers shed ever again let alone as a competative amature , Now fair go TEKE even as one of his most hardened haters ive ever seen on an internet forum even you should be man enough to concead Joe Calzaghe is a GREAT boxer with a GREAT resume. either that or your nationalistic bias will forever hold you in its grip and your time spent in the sport will forever be only 50% rewarded with the pleasues it gives .Sorry mate not a great resume just a good one and there have been multiple polls on just about every boxing forum the internet has that agrees with me. Great fighter though :good

[pecks]

Sorry mate not a great resume just a good one and there have been multiple polls on just about every boxing forum the internet has that agrees with me. Great fighter though :goodHis resume has been very poor, and it's largely due to his and ******'s own doing,.
But, he has stepped it up over the last 3 years.

Lacy and Kessler were considered very dangerous fights to take, and I give him massive credit for facing Kessler.

[OSKA]

I'm going for Joe on this one. On the plane as I write this and touching down soon.

First time in NY and cant wait to see a fight at the garden.

[JOSEY WALES]

Sorry mate not a great resume just a good one and there have been multiple polls on just about every boxing forum the internet has that agrees with me. Great fighter though :good Teke he has so far fought and beaten EVERYONE that agreed to share a ring with him , possibly the only guy to have a legit claim that Calzaghe has ducked him is Glenn Johnson ( Joe claimed injury prevented him form fighting , it happens ) You can only beat whats out there for you to beat , add to the fact that , Hopkins defo ducked him in his prime and skipped an entire weight division to do so , Winky agree to fight him @ St Pete's in Florida only to get cold feet and fight his old friend & room mate Ike Quarty instead , Pavlik was offered the Calzaghe fight TWICE and refused and we all know the Jermain Taylor story :patsch . Joe Calzaghe is a fighter who despite what internet boxing experts poll has fought and beaten everyone in his weight class , How can you question his resume after that ? who should he have fought that he didn't through his own fault ? it amazes me that he is still labled a ducker and slapper by Internet Poll's when he fighst the best out there , Hopkins was labled washed up when Joe Beat him only to relabled an ATG when he defeated the unbeaten Pavlik , back last year Roy Jones was labled washed up and now established boxing pundits & experts worldwide are saying Jones will beat Calzaghe on Sunday morning ? no matter if Joe Ko's Roy and then went onto beat Dawson there will always be the doubters who will claim his resume is shit because he's undefeated , Anyway my year on Aussie ESB is almost at an end but you will be happy to know but i will stay around for another month or so IF Jones wins to except the abuse that will be aimed my way if it happens . :good

[JOSEY WALES]

I'm going for Joe on this one. On the plane as I write this and touching down soon.

First time in NY and cant wait to see a fight at the garden. New york is an awsome City Oska , enjoy it and the fight mate you lucky bastard .:thumbsup

[pecks]

Anyway my year on Aussie ESB is almost at an end but you will be happy to know but i will stay around for another month or so IF Jones wins to except the abuse that will be aimed my way if it happens . :goodWhat tha fuck Hoesy Wales? You're only with us cos you lost a bet or something?
EXB community service or something?

And here I was thinking that you enjoyed our company. :-(

[ipswich express]

When it's all said and done, Calzaghe is a great fighter. Losing or beating Roy is irrelevant to that. He sits a top of the all time 168lbs rankings. Although it's a division short on history, Joe has carved his niche.

[pecks]

Teke he has so far fought and beaten EVERYONE that agreed to share a ring with him , possibly the only guy to have a legit claim that Calzaghe has ducked him is Glenn Johnson ( Joe claimed injury prevented him form fighting , it happens ) You can only beat whats out there for you to beat , add to the fact that , Hopkins defo ducked him in his prime and skipped an entire weight division to do so , Winky agree to fight him @ St Pete's in Florida only to get cold feet and fight his old friend & room mate Ike Quarty instead , Pavlik was offered the Calzaghe fight TWICE and refused and we all know the Jermain Taylor story :patsch . Joe Calzaghe is a fighter who despite what internet boxing experts poll has fought and beaten everyone in his weight class , How can you question his resume after that ? who should he have fought that he didn't through his own fault ? it amazes me that he is still labled a ducker and slapper by Internet Poll's when he fighst the best out there , Hopkins was labled washed up when Joe Beat him only to relabled an ATG when he defeated the unbeaten Pavlik , back last year Roy Jones was labled washed up and now established boxing pundits & experts worldwide are saying Jones will beat Calzaghe on Sunday morning ? no matter if Joe Ko's Roy and then went onto beat Dawson there will always be the doubters who will claim his resume is shit because he's undefeated , Anyway my year on Aussie ESB is almost at an end but you will be happy to know but i will stay around for another month or so IF Jones wins to except the abuse that will be aimed my way if it happens . :goodI don't know too much about what happened regarding Hopkins/Calzaghe a few years ago, and with Jones ect, but ****** has recently insinuated that it was Calzaghe's fault that he never went to the US to fight before.
yes, ****** is no longer with Joe, ect, but it kinda adds up.
If it wasn't entirely Joe's fault, he'd surely have found another high calibre opponent instead, but he really did have a weak stretch there for a while.

He has stepped it up though, which is good. :good

[ipswich express]

The fact of the matter is, why would he leave??? He wasn't going to get paid more in the US than he was in Wales. It's only since he battered Lacy and Kessler that big money offers have enticed him to head stateside.

Cotto v Margarito didn't even sell out. Calzaghe v most, prior to Kessler/Hopkins etc, wouldn't either.

[JOSEY WALES]

What tha fuck Hoesy Wales? You're only with us cos you lost a bet or something?
EXB community service or something?

And here I was thinking that you enjoyed our company. :-(

:lol: Yea i got in trouble with the law just before christmas and the beak was going to send me where he sends all the crims, for a years sentence but my brief argued it could be done under house arrest via cyber space :lol:

No seriously mate my knowledge of Australian boxing was very poor so i made a concious effort to post on this forum to bring it up to speed , that and wind Teke up ,During the last few weeks ive become a grandad for the first time and lost my father so when got offered a $tart up in the north of England i accepted it after talking a few things through with the Mrs , so i won't be able to post here as often as i'd like to :-( ,You lads are fucking hilerious and Aussie ESB is the best on the net imo :deal but fret not TEKE i will popp from time to time just for the Crack ...

Ippy hit the nail on the head ( As Per ) , Joe has carved out his niche in 168lb'rs and on the minds of boxing fans world wide , love him or hate him the kid can box .

[pecks]

:lol: Yea i got in trouble with the law just before christmas and the beak was going to send me where he sends all the crims, for a years sentence but my brief argued it could be done under house arrest via cyber space :lol:

No seriously mate my knowledge of Australian boxing was very poor so i made a concious effort to post on this forum to bring it up to speed , that and wind Teke up ,During the last few weeks ive become a grandad for the first time and lost my father so when got offered a $tart up in the north of England i accepted it after talking a few things through with the Mrs , so i won't be able to post here as often as i'd like to :-( ,You lads are fucking hilerious and Aussie ESB is the best on the net imo :deal but fret not TEKE i will popp from time to time just for the Crack ...

Ippy hit the nail on the head ( As Per ) , Joe has carved out his niche in 168lb'rs and on the minds of boxing fans world wide , love him or hate him the kid can box .I hope you can still be around mate.

I was just starting to get comfortable with you to the point where I could give you shit. :lol:

Keep in touch. :good

[JOSEY WALES]

I don't know too much about what happened regarding Hopkins/Calzaghe a few years ago, and with Jones ect, but ****** has recently insinuated that it was Calzaghe's fault that he never went to the US to fight before.
yes, ****** is no longer with Joe, ect, but it kinda adds up.
If it wasn't entirely Joe's fault, he'd surely have found another high calibre opponent instead, but he really did have a weak stretch there for a while.

He has stepped it up though, which is good. :good Here are the words of Jay Larkin also:

..."A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank ****** and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank ****** agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear."

:good

[pecks]

The fact of the matter is, why would he leave??? He wasn't going to get paid more in the US than he was in Wales. It's only since he battered Lacy and Kessler that big money offers have enticed him to head stateside.

Cotto v Margarito didn't even sell out. Calzaghe v most, prior to Kessler/Hopkins etc, wouldn't either.True, financially it's a much better risk/financial reward situation for him, but a win against Hopkins back then would have given him some big money fights and more respect, and legacy.
You have to remember that before the Lacy fight, Calzaghe wasn't very well liked, even by many Brits, and this was because of his fairly poor resume up until that time.

Imo, he left it too late to unify, ect. At least he's done it now though, but still, it's a shame he wasn't in this frame of mind a while ago.

[JOSEY WALES]

I hope you can still be around mate.

I was just starting to get comfortable with you to the point where I could give you shit. :lol:

Keep in touch. :goodThanks mate i ain't going just yet , in a few weeks probably , besides i either got to rip the piss into Teke & Yourself Sunday night or im going to cope a shelacking :lol:

[JOSEY WALES]

The fact of the matter is, why would he leave??? He wasn't going to get paid more in the US than he was in Wales. It's only since he battered Lacy and Kessler that big money offers have enticed him to head stateside.

Cotto v Margarito didn't even sell out. Calzaghe v most, prior to Kessler/Hopkins etc, wouldn't either.Ippy defo got the beat , europe can more than compete with America when icomes to buck$$$ in effect calzaghe has cleaned out both money wise ..

[pecks]

Here are the words of Jay Larkin also:

..."A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank ****** and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank ****** agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear."

:goodFair enough, but it still doesn't explain why he'd go from just missing out on a massive fight with Hopkins, to fighting someone like Evans Ashira.

I could never be convinced that quality like Ashira, Thornberry ect was the best available to him at the time, and the list is a lot longer as well.

[pecks]

Thanks mate i ain't going just yet , in a few weeks probably , besides i either got to rip the piss into Teke & Yourself Sunday night or im going to cope a shelacking :lol:I might have to do something similar to the brit forum, though I'd probably find myself talking more about football than boxing. :p

[JOSEY WALES]

Fair enough, but it still doesn't explain why he'd go from just missing out on a massive fight with Hopkins, to fighting someone like Evans Ashira.

I could never be convinced that quality like Ashira, Thornberry ect was the best available to him at the time, and the list is a lot longer as well. yes 100% correct mate , even i raised an eyebrow when they waltzed Evans in but we all knew the Lacy fight was agreed by then to take place on Nov 5th 05 , Joe saw a chance to grab a couple of million making a worthless defence pre Lacy as Lacy was fightingScotty Pemberton i think , ..Joe was frustrated having to face blokes like Rick when ****** was building on his investment but like you say he has stepped it up in recent years . BTW I saw The thornberry fight and despite Rick coming to fight Joe's preformance that night made Rick look good . That was probably one of the worst preformances EVER by Joe Calzaghe , people mention Tocker Pudwill all the time as well but he stepped in when Thomas Tate shit out with a week to go , in effect Pudwill saved the bill and deserves credit for getting in there with Joe in the first place . Ps City are flying at the moment , Top half of the championship , Way hey :happy

[CarltonBlues]

Calzaghe in simialr fashion to how Tarver won their 3rd fight.

[pecks]

Ps City are flying at the moment , Top half of the championship , Way hey :happyThe Championship is a great league to watch, and theres great quality there too.

I like Bristol City. It was a shame they didn't go up last year. Would have been a great rise considering they were in league 1 the year before.

Hull were also in league 1 not long ago, and now they are sitting in the top 6 I think beating teams like Arsenal away.

[JOSEY WALES]

The Championship is a great league to watch, and theres great quality there too.

I like Bristol City. It was a shame they didn't go up last year. Would have been a great rise considering they were in league 1 the year before.

Hull were also in league 1 not long ago, and now they are sitting in the top 6 I think beating teams like Arsenal away.

I got locked up when Bristol City played Cardiff City back in the 70's when i was at the height of my football hooligan spree , 14 years old pissed up on cheap cider going for a rip up over the bridge , got fucking battered ,,,badly :vonnecunt

[pecks]

I got locked up when Bristol City played Cardiff City back in the 70's when i was at the height of my football hooligan spree , 14 years old pissed up on cheap cider going for a rip up over the bridge , got fucking battered ,,,badly :vonnecunt I've seen some pretty full on hooligan dvd's. It's so crazy over there.
Theres nothing like it here in Australia. Very rarely are there fights at games.

Have you seen the quality of the Aussie league?
M€any managers here say it's similar to the championship in terms of quality, but I'd say it's somewhere inbetween division 2, and 1.

[IrnBruMan]

Man, I'm sick of everyone claiming Calzaghe has a light resume.

Not long ago I started asking in a thread in the general forum exactly who Hopkins beat to become the legend he was at MW. The immediate response from all the US based posters who believe they are so inbiased and knowledgable was in the vein of "STFU B-Hop = LEGEND, he KOs Calzaghe 1"

And I got the usual boxrec recitation of the big names on his resume - Trinidad, DLH, Johnson, Echols, Holmes, Joppy, etc.

Not a bad list of names, pretty solid, but I pointed out that Trinidad was a blown up welter, DLH was a blown up JMW, Johnson and Joppy were gatekeepers (Johnson a better one than Joppy) and Echols was a contender at best. I also asked how many of Hopkins opponents actually held a world title at the time he fought them, and what were the circumstances in which they won their title (was the title vacant when they fought for it, who was their opponent, etc.)

They hit the fucking roof, called me everything under the sun short of "heretic" and accusing me of sacrilege, but not one of them could answer my questions satisfactorily.

These are the same posters who contuinually bag Calzaghe's resume, when he has plenty of ex-champs and big names on it, the only difference is that these names aren't predominantly American, therefore these posters aren't familiar with them, therefore they don't place any value in them.

It's a joke man, Calzaghe is as good a fighter, in fact better, than many of the US 'legends' but is being given zero credit because these nancy boy yank-a-tanks can't accept that their tough black ex-con homeboy ghetto king boxers can't beat him.

[JOSEY WALES]

I've seen some pretty full on hooligan dvd's. It's so crazy over there.
Theres nothing like it here in Australia. Very rarely are there fights at games.

Have you seen the quality of the Aussie league?
M€any managers here say it's similar to the championship in terms of quality, but I'd say it's somewhere inbetween division 2, and 1.

It did get pretty nuts back in the day , lots of firms doing battle every week , i luckily settled down reletivley young but still laughed when i took the wife to watch Robison v Hamed and ran into the entire "Soul crew " Steveo got parked up but we had a mental night . I caught that Bridges kids goal the other day , Feking brammer mate if thats the standard its hard to argue against it being championship level ..

[pecks]

Man, I'm sick of everyone claiming Calzaghe has a light resume.

Not long ago I started asking in a thread in the general forum exactly who Hopkins beat to become the legend he was at MW. The immediate response from all the US based posters who believe they are so inbiased and knowledgable was in the vein of "STFU B-Hop = LEGEND, he KOs Calzaghe 1"

And I got the usual boxrec recitation of the big names on his resume - Trinidad, DLH, Johnson, Echols, Holmes, Joppy, etc.

Not a bad list of names, pretty solid, but I pointed out that Trinidad was a blown up welter, DLH was a blown up JMW, Johnson and Joppy were gatekeepers (Johnson a better one than Joppy) and Echols was a contender at best. I also asked how many of Hopkins opponents actually held a world title at the time he fought them, and what were the circumstances in which they won their title (was the title vacant when they fought for it, who was their opponent, etc.)

They hit the fucking roof, called me everything under the sun short of "heretic" and accusing me of sacrilege, but not one of them could answer my questions satisfactorily.

These are the same posters who contuinually bag Calzaghe's resume, when he has plenty of ex-champs and big names on it, the only difference is that these names aren't predominantly American, therefore these posters aren't familiar with them, therefore they don't place any value in them.

It's a joke man, Calzaghe is as good a fighter, in fact better, than many of the US 'legends' but is being given zero credit because these nancy boy yank-a-tanks can't accept that their tough black ex-con homeboy ghetto king boxers can't beat him.I'm not saying Calzaghe's resume is terrible, but imo it did have a very lean period through the middle years.

I was critical of him years ago, but have taken a liking to him since the Lacy and especially since the Kessler fight.
His last few years have been superb.

[pecks]

I caught that Bridges kids goal the other day , Feking brammer mate if thats the standard its hard to argue against it being championship level ..That was a good goal, but overall, it's nowhere near the Championship in quality. I'd like it to be, but it isn't.

Nicky Carle was player of the league 2 years ago, and now he's struggling to fit in the championship, with many Palace fans saying he's a waste of money.
A team like Leeds would win the comp if they were in the A-League.

Still, it's a young league, and it appears to be on the way up. :good

[JOSEY WALES]

Man, I'm sick of everyone claiming Calzaghe has a light resume.

Not long ago I started asking in a thread in the general forum exactly who Hopkins beat to become the legend he was at MW. The immediate response from all the US based posters who believe they are so inbiased and knowledgable was in the vein of "STFU B-Hop = LEGEND, he KOs Calzaghe 1"

And I got the usual boxrec recitation of the big names on his resume - Trinidad, DLH, Johnson, Echols, Holmes, Joppy, etc.

Not a bad list of names, pretty solid, but I pointed out that Trinidad was a blown up welter, DLH was a blown up JMW, Johnson and Joppy were gatekeepers (Johnson a better one than Joppy) and Echols was a contender at best. I also asked how many of Hopkins opponents actually held a world title at the time he fought them, and what were the circumstances in which they won their title (was the title vacant when they fought for it, who was their opponent, etc.)

They hit the fucking roof, called me everything under the sun short of "heretic" and accusing me of sacrilege, but not one of them could answer my questions satisfactorily.

These are the same posters who contuinually bag Calzaghe's resume, when he has plenty of ex-champs and big names on it, the only difference is that these names aren't predominantly American, therefore these posters aren't familiar with them, therefore they don't place any value in them.

It's a joke man, Calzaghe is as good a fighter, in fact better, than many of the US 'legends' but is being given zero credit because these nancy boy yank-a-tanks can't accept that their tough black ex-con homeboy ghetto king boxers can't beat him. Fucking brilliant post Mutt , I bet Bernie took a bit of shit back in "DA OOD" after getting done by a skinny white boy who slaps ,as punishment he probably had to wear a belt around his jeans for a week and not say SUP :lol:

[ipswich express]

True, financially it's a much better risk/financial reward situation for him, but a win against Hopkins back then would have given him some big money fights and more respect, and legacy.
You have to remember that before the Lacy fight, Calzaghe wasn't very well liked, even by many Brits, and this was because of his fairly poor resume up until that time.

Imo, he left it too late to unify, ect. At least he's done it now though, but still, it's a shame he wasn't in this frame of mind a while ago.

Hopkins wouldn't have gone near him at that point in time. You don't just land a big fight, you need to get wins on the board.

[ipswich express]

Fair enough, but it still doesn't explain why he'd go from just missing out on a massive fight with Hopkins, to fighting someone like Evans Ashira.

I could never be convinced that quality like Ashira, Thornberry ect was the best available to him at the time, and the list is a lot longer as well.

Thornberry was WBO mandatory.

[pecks]

Thornberry was WBO mandatory.Maybe he was, but theres still many other poor voluntary fights he's made.
Even the Bika fight which was after the Lacy fight was a poor choice at the time. It wasn't until that fight and afterwards that Bika actually made waves.
Beyer was even laughed at when he picked Bika.

I just fail to see why he abandoned the US completely and went back to fighting Ashira's ect in the UK after Hopkins supposingly dogged out of their fight.
If he wanted to capture the American's attention, it'd have made more sense if he had searched around for some other high profile fighter, or even someone a step or two down from Hopkins.

[ipswich express]

Bika was laughed at by those who don't follow the sport too closely IMO. Just because people haven't seen someone fight on HBO doesn't mean they can't (and I'm not directing that at you at all, Pecks). Ashira was a dud, but Lacy was signed and sealed by then. An easy pay day and not much else. Calzaghe was stuck between a rock and a hard place in the negotiation side of things. He needed a break out opponent and struggled to get one. His win against Eubank is completely underrated. Eubank went on to give Carl Thompson two absolutely brutal wars.

[pecks]

Bika was laughed at by those who don't follow the sport too closely IMO. Just because people haven't seen someone fight on HBO doesn't mean they can't (and I'm not directing that at you at all, Pecks). Ashira was a dud, but Lacy was signed and sealed by then. An easy pay day and not much else. Calzaghe was stuck between a rock and a hard place in the negotiation side of things. He needed a break out opponent and struggled to get one. His win against Eubank is completely underrated. Eubank went on to give Carl Thompson two absolutely brutal wars.I agree that Bika was underestimated by the public, I also think that Joe and his team underestimated him too when selecting him.
Fair enough re Ashira, as he had the Lacy fight already signed. But prior to that, his resume is fairly average, and it's hard to imagine that none of it is from Joe's doing.

[Kegsy]

Have you seen the quality of the Aussie league?
M€any managers here say it's similar to the championship in terms of quality, but I'd say it's somewhere inbetween division 2, and 1.
The A-League aint even close to championship level.
Its more like Coca-Cola Division 2 level bordering on the Conference Leagues.
I would back some well drilled tactical Conference teams to knock off the Glory & Pheonix especially very easily.

[the beaver]

The A-League aint even close to championship level.
Its more like Coca-Cola Division 2 level bordering on the Conference Leagues.
I would back some well drilled tactical Conference teams to knock off the Glory & Pheonix especially very easily.

Mate it's better than conference leagues, of course there wld be sides in conference leagues that wld beat Glory etc What about a conference side a few years back held Man U (obviously not full strength) 0-0 draw in FA cup.

I'd say League 2, and some of our better sides could hang with League 1 etc

[IrnBruMan]

I'm not saying Calzaghe's resume is terrible, but imo it did have a very lean period through the middle years.

I was critical of him years ago, but have taken a liking to him since the Lacy and especially since the Kessler fight.
His last few years have been superb.

Yeah, but I think you consider it lean during that period because perhaps many of his opponents are unfamiliar to you.

Taking a look at his resume, after beating Eubank for the title, he fought 17 times before facing Lacy, and 8 of his opponents were ex-champs or title contenders - Robin Reid^, Rick Thornberry^, David Starie^, Omar Sheika*, Richie Woodhall^, Charles Brewer*, Byron Mitchell*, Kabery Salem*.

^ = non-US opponents (mainly British) therefore little US recognition

* = US opponents, who are now called bums and over-rated by the US posters I'm talking about. However, at the time they fought Calzaghe they were either mandatories or were considered at the top of the SMW rankings - Sheika, Brewer, Mitchell for example.

Then he fought Lacy, who was touted as the next big thing, the SMW Mike Tyson, he was going to KO Calzaghe in 2 rds, etc. Look at how he is viewed now - an over-rated never-was. As we know Calzaghe absolutely whipped him, and he has never been the same since. However, the US fans I refer to refuse to acknowledge the whipping Calzaghe put on Lacy is what killed his career - they would rather pretend that they never rated Lacy, and call him over-rated now. These same guys however, still rate Pavlik, after Hopkins shut him out for 12 rounds.

After Lacy he faced Bika, who has, funnily enough, become liked in the US from his performance on the Contender! Now we all know he's not the most technical of fighters, but he's a tough customer. However, the yanks love him because he won the Contender and gave Calzaghe a difficult fight :lol:

After Bika was Manfredo, which was a blatant attempt to gain a profile in the US and get some momentum going from his win over Lacy.

Then there was his win over Kessler, and the yanks are all now claiming Kessler is an over-rated, protected Euro-bum :lol: But he was the greatest thing since sliced bread when he beat Andrade, because they actually saw him in action! I reckon most of those dicks haven't even seen the Kessler fight, you can tell by the way they never talk in detail about it, and instead write Kessler off as over-rated.

Finally, there was Hopkins, in an ugly, spoiling fight. Calzaghe won it, and all the US posters are in a bind now - they can't claim Hopkins is over-rated, because he's their God! So instead, they look for any possible excuse to take away from Calzaghe's win - split decision, B-Hops was robbed, B-Hops didn't take Calzaghe seriously, etc. NEVER ONCE do they acknowledge that Hopkins couldn't fight his normal fight because Calzaghe was simply too good for him. Especially since Hopkins beat Pavlik, now they're saying if Calzaghe and Hopkins fought again, Hopkins would KO him, because Hopkins said after the Pavlik fight he had decided to go for the KO from now on!! :lol:

These guys have started to learn a bit from their mistakes now, which is why some are claiming RJJ is completely shot, and Calzaghe ducked him and Hopkins in their primes, while others are still hopeful and praying that RJJ KOs Calzaghe. If Calzaghe wins this weekend, it'll just be more of the same.

I agree with Calzaghe when he says he doesn't have to prove anything to anyone but hinslef, and he's happy with what he's achieved in his career.

It all comes down to how you look at it.

[IrnBruMan]

Fucking brilliant post Mutt , I bet Bernie took a bit of shit back in "DA OOD" after getting done by a skinny white boy who slaps ,as punishment he probably had to wear a belt around his jeans for a week and not say SUP :lol:

:lol:

For sure mate, all that false pride meant he couldn't just wear the loss, he had to bitch and moan and make a lot of noise about it so his peeps wouldn't think he was simply accepting Calzaghe beat him.

[Bognashavin]

I had to pick something so I put Joe by Ko, because I believe he's gonna really try for it, as it is his last fight. No matter what many say, the "slaps" have enough power behind them and in the later rounds Joe may even forget about his hands and really put some meat into the punches.
Roy may have a few flashes of brilliance, and even if he manages a knockdown of JC I beelive Joe will be able to adapt, and then come back with a vengeance.
To be honest though I don't really care who wins, for JC to retire undefeated, or for Jones to be back at the top. Both are deadset legends.

[teke]

Teke he has so far fought and beaten EVERYONE that agreed to share a ring with him , possibly the only guy to have a legit claim that Calzaghe has ducked him is Glenn Johnson ( Joe claimed injury prevented him form fighting , it happens ) You can only beat whats out there for you to beat , add to the fact that , Hopkins defo ducked him in his prime and skipped an entire weight division to do so , Winky agree to fight him @ St Pete's in Florida only to get cold feet and fight his old friend & room mate Ike Quarty instead , Pavlik was offered the Calzaghe fight TWICE and refused and we all know the Jermain Taylor story :patsch . Joe Calzaghe is a fighter who despite what internet boxing experts poll has fought and beaten everyone in his weight class , How can you question his resume after that ? who should he have fought that he didn't through his own fault ? it amazes me that he is still labled a ducker and slapper by Internet Poll's when he fighst the best out there , Hopkins was labled washed up when Joe Beat him only to relabled an ATG when he defeated the unbeaten Pavlik , back last year Roy Jones was labled washed up and now established boxing pundits & experts worldwide are saying Jones will beat Calzaghe on Sunday morning ? no matter if Joe Ko's Roy and then went onto beat Dawson there will always be the doubters who will claim his resume is shit because he's undefeated , Anyway my year on Aussie ESB is almost at an end but you will be happy to know but i will stay around for another month or so IF Jones wins to except the abuse that will be aimed my way if it happens . :goodWhat bit of Great fighter i wrote dont you understand :lol:

If you compare his resume to someone like Shane Mosleys or James Toney you cant say anything else but its lite.

Anyway i hope he gets KTFO this weekend :yep

[teke]

I might have to do something similar to the brit forum, though I'd probably find myself talking more about football than boxing. :pI just saw that you became a fan of sluts on facebook :lol::lol:

I burst out laughing when i saw that

[pecks]

Yeah, but I think you consider it lean during that period because perhaps many of his opponents are unfamiliar to you.

Taking a look at his resume, after beating Eubank for the title, he fought 17 times before facing Lacy, and 8 of his opponents were ex-champs or title contenders - Robin Reid^, Rick Thornberry^, David Starie^, Omar Sheika*, Richie Woodhall^, Charles Brewer*, Byron Mitchell*, Kabery Salem*.

^ = non-US opponents (mainly British) therefore little US recognition

* = US opponents, who are now called bums and over-rated by the US posters I'm talking about. However, at the time they fought Calzaghe they were either mandatories or were considered at the top of the SMW rankings - Sheika, Brewer, Mitchell for example.

Then he fought Lacy, who was touted as the next big thing, the SMW Mike Tyson, he was going to KO Calzaghe in 2 rds, etc. Look at how he is viewed now - an over-rated never-was. As we know Calzaghe absolutely whipped him, and he has never been the same since. However, the US fans I refer to refuse to acknowledge the whipping Calzaghe put on Lacy is what killed his career - they would rather pretend that they never rated Lacy, and call him over-rated now. These same guys however, still rate Pavlik, after Hopkins shut him out for 12 rounds.

After Lacy he faced Bika, who has, funnily enough, become liked in the US from his performance on the Contender! Now we all know he's not the most technical of fighters, but he's a tough customer. However, the yanks love him because he won the Contender and gave Calzaghe a difficult fight :lol:

After Bika was Manfredo, which was a blatant attempt to gain a profile in the US and get some momentum going from his win over Lacy.

Then there was his win over Kessler, and the yanks are all now claiming Kessler is an over-rated, protected Euro-bum :lol: But he was the greatest thing since sliced bread when he beat Andrade, because they actually saw him in action! I reckon most of those dicks haven't even seen the Kessler fight, you can tell by the way they never talk in detail about it, and instead write Kessler off as over-rated.

Finally, there was Hopkins, in an ugly, spoiling fight. Calzaghe won it, and all the US posters are in a bind now - they can't claim Hopkins is over-rated, because he's their God! So instead, they look for any possible excuse to take away from Calzaghe's win - split decision, B-Hops was robbed, B-Hops didn't take Calzaghe seriously, etc. NEVER ONCE do they acknowledge that Hopkins couldn't fight his normal fight because Calzaghe was simply too good for him. Especially since Hopkins beat Pavlik, now they're saying if Calzaghe and Hopkins fought again, Hopkins would KO him, because Hopkins said after the Pavlik fight he had decided to go for the KO from now on!! :lol:

These guys have started to learn a bit from their mistakes now, which is why some are claiming RJJ is completely shot, and Calzaghe ducked him and Hopkins in their primes, while others are still hopeful and praying that RJJ KOs Calzaghe. If Calzaghe wins this weekend, it'll just be more of the same.

I agree with Calzaghe when he says he doesn't have to prove anything to anyone but hinslef, and he's happy with what he's achieved in his career.

It all comes down to how you look at it.I do consider it somewhat lean and perhaps my knowledge on them isn't as great as others, but I'm sure you can see the difference in class between the opposition he's faced in the last 3 years compared to before the Lacy fight.

Good points though, and I do agree that his opponents in that weak stretch as I called it, arent total garbage.
Reid was very underrated, Brewer gave Ottke a lot of trouble, and Mitchell was a champion just a couple of months before he fought Calzaghe, so I guess you could say that he went pretty close to unifying then.

Salem was never much good though. He had a bit of speed but wasnt a real world class fighter imo. The Viet rematch should never have happened though. If Viet was his mandatory in the rematch then it could be forgiven perhaps, but then again Calzaghe has been pretty selective with his mandatories too.
I seem to remember deram hinting that Calzaghe was ducking from Rudy Markussen a while ago :D

Anyway, my stance has always been that during the last 3 or so years, his resume has been top shelf, but before then it has been found lacking, and I guess some people feel that the more big fights he wins, and the more his stocks go up, then the more worse that dry spell period looks.

He's certainly gained much more universal support since the Lacy fight though, and I hope he has at least another fight left in him after Jones.

Regarding the general forum and you...
I really don't know why you bother debating many of those guys. It's clear from the start that 90% of them can't be reasoned with. I know you like your little forum wars ect :yep, but doesn't it get boring?

[pecks]

I just saw that you became a fan of sluts on facebook :lol::lol:

I burst out laughing when i saw thatI've always been a fan of sluts. :p

Many great weekends have resulted because of them, and hopefully there will be more slut action tonight as well.


I wanna see both you and muttley's name on the 'sluts' members list by tonight. :hey

[IrnBruMan]

I do consider it somewhat lean and perhaps my knowledge on them isn't as great as others, but I'm sure you can see the difference in class between the opposition he's faced in the last 3 years compared to before the Lacy fight.

Good points though, and I do agree that his opponents in that weak stretch as I called it, arent total garbage.
Reid was very underrated, Brewer gave Ottke a lot of trouble, and Mitchell was a champion just a couple of months before he fought Calzaghe, so I guess you could say that he went pretty close to unifying then.

Salem was never much good though. He had a bit of speed but wasnt a real world class fighter imo. The Viet rematch should never have happened though. If Viet was his mandatory in the rematch then it could be forgiven perhaps, but then again Calzaghe has been pretty selective with his mandatories too.
I seem to remember deram hinting that Calzaghe was ducking from Rudy Markussen a while ago :D

Anyway, my stance has always been that during the last 3 or so years, his resume has been top shelf, but before then it has been found lacking, and I guess some people feel that the more big fights he wins, and the more his stocks go up, then the more worse that dry spell period looks.

He's certainly gained much more universal support since the Lacy fight though, and I hope he has at least another fight left in him after Jones.

Regarding the general forum and you...
I really don't know why you bother debating many of those guys. It's clear from the start that 90% of them can't be reasoned with. I know you like your little forum wars ect :yep, but doesn't it get boring?

:lol: yeah, but sometimes I have a slow arvo at work to kill :yep

san rafael always bites, so if I've got a bit of time to kill I cast my line and wait for him to take it...it's open season then as far as I'm concerned

[pecks]

:lol: yeah, but sometimes I have a slow arvo at work to kill :yep

san rafael always bites, so if I've got a bit of time to kill I cast my line and wait for him to take it...it's open season then as far as I'm concerned:lol:
Nice.

I miss deram. He wasn't a retard or anything, he was actually pretty cluey with a lot of things, he was just so unaware of how everything he posted about, watched with boxing somehow revolved around Kessler.
I mean, he only really propped up Mundine because Kessler beat him. In the old Canadian forum I caught him saying that the Lucas that got beat by Kessler would have beaten Green that night, ect.

He was at his worst though when he was convinced Calzaghe was never going to fight Kessler. I remember he once said that Kessler would have beaten Joe 6 years ago had they fought simply because Kessler never struggled with opponents on par with Reid at that time, whereas Calzaghe had major problems with him.

I miss my man.

[IrnBruMan]

I've always been a fan of sluts. :p

Many great weekends have resulted because of them, and hopefully there will be more slut action tonight as well.


I wanna see both you and muttley's name on the 'sluts' members list by tonight. :hey

Sorry mate, I have a reputation to uphold so I won't be joining 'sluts' on FB :lol: Too visible to other parties mate :yep

[teke]

Sorry mate, I have a reputation to uphold so I won't be joining 'sluts' on FB :lol: Too visible to other parties mate :yepThats EXACTLY why i burst out laughing.

I dont want any future sluts to see im actually a fan of theirs :deal

[teke]

:lol:
Nice.

I miss deram. He wasn't a retard or anything, he was actually pretty cluey with a lot of things, he was just so unaware of how everything he posted about, watched with boxing somehow revolved around Kessler.
I mean, he only really propped up Mundine because Kessler beat him. In the old Canadian forum I caught him saying that the Lucas that got beat by Kessler would have beaten Green that night, ect.

He was at his worst though when he was convinced Calzaghe was never going to fight Kessler. I remember he once said that Kessler would have beaten Joe 6 years ago had they fought simply because Kessler never struggled with opponents on par with Reid at that time, whereas Calzaghe had major problems with him.

I miss my man.We both know he's around :yep

Robin Reid is close to Joes best win, he was a dam good fighter

[IrnBruMan]

:lol:
Nice.

I miss deram. He wasn't a retard or anything, he was actually pretty cluey with a lot of things, he was just so unaware of how everything he posted about, watched with boxing somehow revolved around Kessler.
I mean, he only really propped up Mundine because Kessler beat him. In the old Canadian forum I caught him saying that the Lucas that got beat by Kessler would have beaten Green that night, ect.

He was at his worst though when he was convinced Calzaghe was never going to fight Kessler. I remember he once said that Kessler would have beaten Joe 6 years ago had they fought simply because Kessler never struggled with opponents on par with Reid at that time, whereas Calzaghe had major problems with him.

I miss my man.

:lol:

My perception of it all is that he was a very courteous and well-balanced poster who was a big fan of Kessler, and then all of a sudden he started exhibiting signs of paranoia and just went *******s and lost it.

It was around the time Calzaghe beat Kessler that I seem to recall he really lost it.

Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention to him, because it seemed for a long time he was an honorary Aussie poster (one of the originals from when I joined up I think?) and one day he just turned...and like a pack of rabid dogs, we all turned on him and it just spiralled out of control from there :lol:

[IrnBruMan]

Thats EXACTLY why i burst out laughing.

I dont want any future sluts to see im actually a fan of theirs :deal

:lol:

[IrnBruMan]

We both know he's around :yep

Robin Reid is close to Joes best win, he was a dam good fighter

getfuct :deal :lol:

[teke]

getfuct :deal :lol::lol: get fucked to what?

Ask Josey how good Robin Reid was, he was a good fighter for real and in his prime when the two tussled. Forget the Reid that got beaten by LAcy and Froch - that was a dead man walking.

[pecks]

:lol:

My perception of it all is that he was a very courteous and well-balanced poster who was a big fan of Kessler, and then all of a sudden he started exhibiting signs of paranoia and just went *******s and lost it.

It was around the time Calzaghe beat Kessler that I seem to recall he really lost it.

Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention to him, because it seemed for a long time he was an honorary Aussie poster (one of the originals from when I joined up I think?) and one day he just turned...and like a pack of rabid dogs, we all turned on him and it just spiralled out of control from there :lol:Actually, he started to crumble after the fight was sealed. He then changed his stance from "Kessler always being able beat him" to it'll be a 50/50 fight, and 70/30 seeing how it's in the UK.

The weak part of it all was that he pissed off from ESB before the fight took place.











































But I searched and searched and found the cunt at boxrec after the fight, and said g'day to him in my own little way. :yep

[pecks]

:lol: get fucked to what?

Ask Josey how good Robin Reid was, he was a good fighter for real and in his prime when the two tussled. Forget the Reid that got beaten by LAcy and Froch - that was a dead man walking.I agree that Reid was very underrated by many.
His loss to Ottke is one of the worst robberies I've seen.

[IrnBruMan]

:lol: get fucked to what?

Ask Josey how good Robin Reid was, he was a good fighter for real and in his prime when the two tussled. Forget the Reid that got beaten by LAcy and Froch - that was a dead man walking.

I don't disagree that Reid was a good fighter, but I don't think he was Calzaghe's best win.

Lacy and Kessler were his best high-profile wins IMO, but some of his lesser known fights are good too, just depends on what you consider good.

His demolition job of Mitchell after being dropped for the first time in his career was awesome.

Likewise when he took Sheika apart, because there was a lot of bad blood between the camps due to Sheika badmouthing Calzaghe before the fight. Typical leb :lol:

[IrnBruMan]

Actually, he started to crumble after the fight was sealed. He then changed his stance from "Kessler always being able beat him" to it'll be a 50/50 fight, and 70/30 seeing how it's in the UK.

The weak part of it all was that he pissed off from ESB before the fight took place.

But I searched and searched and found the cunt at boxrec after the fight, and said g'day to him in my own little way. :yep

:lol: Shit, I'd forgotten he left before the fight!

All those years of him saying Calzaghe would never agree to fight Kessler and then they sign up - he must have shit himself!!!

At least that indicates he had a fair idea Calzaghe would beat him :yep

[ipswich express]

What bit of Great fighter i wrote dont you understand :lol:

If you compare his resume to someone like Shane Mosleys or James Toney you cant say anything else but its lite.

Anyway i hope he gets KTFO this weekend :yep

Both of whom are roid users...

[kel]

Just watched 2nd episode 24/7, and got pumped about Roy bringing back the good ol days, especially when this song was played during the show.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[teke]

Both of whom are roid users...would you like some roids, you talk about it alot.

You think Shane will come in all roided up for the Marg fight?

[ipswich express]

would you like some roids, you talk about it alot.

You think Shane will come in all roided up for the Marg fight?

Why would I want roids? It's just a shame when you see great athletes stoop so low.

No I don't think Shane will be juiced against Tony, he's scrutinised heavily as it is.

[Haterade]

I really hope RJJ can get on top for this fight. Im tipping RJJ in a close one!