hopkins vs a prime giardello and lamotta....

[shommel]

can hopkins out master the master joey g and could he run all night and avoid the charging bull?

[Loewe]

Why should he run from LaMotta? LaMotta would not be bigger or stronger in there. He also would not punch harder. The only thing he would have over Hopkins would be workrate which would be negated by Hopkins defence. Hopkins TKO10 LaMotta.

We had already a Giardello-Hopkins thread not too long ago. Giardello on his best night I think has a chance but I´d favour Hopkins due to his craftiness, size and advantage in power.

[McGrain]

Hopkins TKO10 LaMotta.

:scaredas:

[Loewe]

:scaredas:

Why? LaMotta is a fighter who takes a few to get himself in a few. That may work with many fighters but not with a counterpuncher like Hopkins. I think LaMotta is made for B-Hop stylewise. That fight would be a shorter variation of the St. Valentines massacre.

[Russell]

Glen Johnson has one of the best chins of the last 25 years. Not a exaggeration in the slightest. As another poster once said you could drop a fucking piano on his chin and he probably wouldn't notice.

Hopkin's stopped him on accumulation. So it wouldn't be impossible.

[McGrain]

Why should he run from LaMotta? LaMotta would not be bigger or stronger in there. He also would not punch harder. The only thing he would have over Hopkins would be workrate which would be negated by Hopkins defence. Hopkins TKO10 LaMotta.

We had already a Giardello-Hopkins thread not too long ago. Giardello on his best night I think has a chance but I´d favour Hopkins due to his craftiness, size and advantage in power.

1 - Why are you using a weight drained version of Jake for the fight?

2 - He used the same style against Sattersfield who sure as shit punches harder than Hopkins, and was not stopped.

3 - Hopkins is not the composite puncher that Sugar is anyway, and I mean as a middleweight, nore does he have the same one punch power.


Hopkins, close but clear UD. Jake is more likely to stop Hopkins than Hopkins Jake.

[Russell]

Hopkin's is a almost a cruiserweight when he enters the ring at times. What he lacks in composite punching is made up for in sheer size.

And you know it's not as simple as "Satterfield hits harder. The End", McGrain.

Glen's been in there with a multitude of fighters who clearly hit harder shot for shot then Hopkin's but they could never even make a dent in him.

It's Hopkin's precise and consistent punching, and a great variety of punches, that stopped Glen years ago.

[Loewe]

1 - Why are you using a weight drained version of Jake for the fight?

2 - He used the same style against Sattersfield who sure as shit punches harder than Hopkins, and was not stopped.

3 - Hopkins is not the composite puncher that Sugar is anyway, and I mean as a middleweight, nore does he have the same one punch power.


Hopkins, close but clear UD. Jake is more likely to stop Hopkins than Hopkins Jake.

1 - Do I? I compared it to this particular fight, I never wrote I take the LaMotta of that fight.

2 - Well, there are more ways to stop a fighter than to KO him. Getting consistently hit with hard punches over 10 rounds by a guy with the precision like Hopkins could get the job done. Especially when you consider that LaMotta could be cut. Hopkins stopped two fighters in Johnson and Trinidad who were never stopped or after facing him despite meeting bigger punchers.

3 - Yep, you are right but Robinson is also not the counterpuncher Hopkins is. Stylewise LaMotta is made for Hopkins while he isn´t for Robinson.

[Sweet Pea]

Why should he run from LaMotta? LaMotta would not be bigger or stronger in there. He also would not punch harder. The only thing he would have over Hopkins would be workrate which would be negated by Hopkins defence. Hopkins TKO10 LaMotta.You're done.

[Mantequilla]

Another part of the reason Glen Johnson got stopped is because he wasn't very good.Hopkins just laid right into him with near impunity due to the difference in talent.

Glen improved after that but he's never been more than a serviceable B level fighter imo.Certainly not in the class of Lamotta.

[mcvey]

Well Ray didnt do too badly against Jake :?

[Loewe]

You're done.

If you don´t have anything to write that makes sense, don´t write anything at all.

LaMotta was a natural smw but Hopkins weighed in at smw himself at fight night. Hopkins manhandled the natural lhw who weighed in as a cw at fight night in Tarver in the clinches. I think that should tell us enough about his strength. LaMotta would not have an advantage there. The rest of your highlightd part I already answered.

It´s not that I think LaMotta is bad or anything, he´s an atg mw. It´s just the worst possible style match up for him.

[the cobra]

Hopkins isn't stopping LaMotta. Clear UD

[Sweet Pea]

If you don´t have anything to write that makes sense, don´t write anything at all.

LaMotta was a natural smw but Hopkins weighed in at smw himself at fight night. Hopkins manhandled the natural lhw who weighed in as a cw at fight night in Tarver in the clinches. I think that should tell us enough about his strength. LaMotta would not have an advantage there. The rest of your highlightd part I already answered.

It´s not that I think LaMotta is bad or anything, he´s an atg mw. It´s just the worst possible style match up for him.There's still no way in hell Hopkins is stopping him. Hopkins is strong sure, but he's not considered in line with the strongest MW's of all time, and for good reason. LaMotta is largely considered one of the top two along with Dick Tiger. He is definitely the stronger fighter in the clinch. Tarver is about as inept a comparison as can possibly be made, I really don't know what you were trying to prove with that.

How would Hopkins go about stopping him? If he won it'd be by way of Decision, having been on the move all night to outbox him, because he's not getting it done in close quarters with this type of beast. Hopkins is getting overrated yet again.

[Robbi]

Who's Hopkins stopping next in a war, Hagler? Because he'd get exactly that if he decided to fight Hagler the way he says he would, also LaMotta. Hopkins' style in general isn't to be the hunter. At his best anyway. Even against Trinidad he never picked things up until after the 5th round. And down the stretch he was still using lateral movement between exchanges.

Hopkins does have the style to beat LaMotta. But knock him out? Give me a break.

[Loewe]

There's still no way in hell Hopkins is stopping him. Hopkins is strong sure, but he's not considered in line with the strongest MW's of all time, and for good reason. LaMotta is largely considered one of the top two along with Dick Tiger. He is definitely the stronger fighter in the clinch. Tarver is about as inept a comparison as can possibly be made, I really don't know what you were trying to prove with that.

Why is Tarver a inept comparison? Did Hopkins handle him in the clinches or not? Was Tarver bigger or not? I think that´s as good a comparison as any else.
Yep, LaMotta is a very strong mw. Hopkins himself is also strong. I don´t think there is much between them.

How would Hopkins go about stopping him? If he won it'd be by way of Decision, having been on the move all night to outbox him, because he's not getting it done in close quarters with this type of beast. Hopkins is getting overrated yet again.
It´s all about styles. See what I wrote about Giardello. I could see Hopkins getting outboxed by him. Is that also overrating? I just think LaMotta is made for Hopkins stylewise and that Hopkins will make the ref step in - especially nowadays.

Who's Hopkins stopping next in a war, Hagler? Because he'd get exactly that if he decided to fight Hagler the way he says he would. Hopkins' style in general isn't to be the hunter. At his best anyway. Even against Trinidad he never picked things up until after the 6th round. And down the stretch he was still using lateral movement between exchanges.

Hopkins does have the style to beat LaMotta. But knock him out? Give me a break.

Who said anything about knocking out? I certainly did not. Hopkins would not be the hunter in this fight, he would box LaMotta and counter him. LaMotta is open enough to get it very often with counters, too often and the ref steps in to save him.