Will Pac become P4P #1 at the end of the year?

[doknochrisan]

With currently PBF on top, can PAC become #1 P4P without holding a legit belt when he beats Barrera come Oct. 6? If the PBF vs Hatton will push through on December and Pretty Boy gets it via a SD, will PAC overtake him on the list? Or will this depend on how PAC will annihilate Barrera?

[jimmie]

Hatton needs to beat Mayweather first and thats not going to happen. I have Rafael Marquez ahead of Pacquiao anyway.

[doknochrisan]

Hatton needs to beat Mayweather first and thats not going to happen. I have Rafael Marquez ahead of Pacquiao anyway.

So you mean "IF" Hatton wins over PBF, you'll have Rafael Marquez as the #1 P4P if he beats Vasquez?

[4Rounder]

With Rafa Marquez at number 3, if both Pacquiao and Mayweather loose, there will be a new p4p king, I don't know how long he will last but thats something that could happen.

And NO Pac doesn't get the number 1 spot by beating and old Barrera in his retirement fight, as it was stated PBF has to lose.

[jimmie]

So you mean "IF" Hatton wins over PBF, you'll have Rafael Marquez as the #1 P4P if he beats Vasquez?

Most likely I will. I mean lets says Marquez got a very suspect decision over Vasquez and Barrera-Pacquiao 2 is a exact repeat of the 1st fight I might jump Pacquiao into 1 because Barrera is still a top 10 p4p fighter to me and could beat just about anyone on any night.

[johnco]

well it depends.

some people consider pac to be #1 anyway considering the way he destroys others and the quality of his oppositions compared to pbf.

well going to the question, if you like hit and run tactic again pbf will stay as number 1. but if you like pure action with somebody begging for his life, then it has to be pac :good

it is no brainer to choose pac if mab begs for his life again. :yep

[ripcity]

It's a long shot. Mayweather would have to lose. If Hatton beats him Hatton could winde up #1.
Manny Pacquiao is somewhat so I don't how much that win would raise his stock expected to beat Marco Antonio Barrera. So I don't how much that win would raise his stock. He would have to follow up a win over Barrera with a nother impresive win. Forntunly the Super featherweight devision is deep with talent, or he could chalange a lightweight tittlest next, but he has to beat Berrera first and Mayweather has to lose.

[jimmie]

well it depends.

some people consider pac to be #1 anyway considering the way he destroys others and the quality of his oppositions compared to pbf.

well going to the question, if you like hit and run tactic again pbf will stay as number 1. but if you like pure action with somebody begging for his life, then it has to be pac :good

it is no brainer to choose pac if mab begs for his life again. :yep

Not to me as Pacquiao needs to start beating good fighters not named Barrera or a shot Morales. PBFs overall body of work with Corrales,Castillo,Judah,Baldomir,DLH is better and hes more skilled and talented which is the basis of p4p to determine who is the best based or his talents/skill and resume. All Pacquiaos really did is beat Morales and Barrera then got a gift draw vs JMM thats a good resume but if he wants p4p number 1 he needs to get wins over Soto or Marquez or Guzman.

[johnco]

Not to me as Pacquiao needs to start beating good fighters not named Barrera or a shot Morales. PBFs overall body of work with Corrales,Castillo,Judah,Baldomir,DLH is better and hes more skilled and talented which is the basis of p4p to determine who is the best based or his talents/skill and resume. All Pacquiaos really did is beat Morales and Barrera then got a gift draw vs JMM thats a good resume but if he wants p4p number 1 he needs to get wins over Soto or Marquez or Guzman.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT EM, MAB, JMM. these are pound per pound fighters who kissed the canvass many many times when pac fought them. gone where the days where pbf fought good fighters. his ecent opposition is a hohum one. judah, baldo and old odl hell no!!!! pac is much better and it is a brutal beating. and going to jmm again, pac busted that left hand after the first round oki google it. and a judge error.. relax, after mab and tons of $, it will be jmm, guzman and soto. :good bottom line, pac fought them with utmost destruction :good

[jimmie]

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT EM, MAB, JMM. these are pound per pound fighters who kissed the canvass many many times when pac fought them. gone where the days where pbf fought good fighters. his ecent opposition is a hohum one. judah, baldo and old odl hell no!!!! pac is much better and it is a brutal beating. and going to jmm again, pac busted that left hand after the first round oki google it. and a judge error.. relax, after mab and tons of $, it will be jmm, guzman and soto. :good bottom line, pac fought them with utmost destruction :good

Hold up are u telling me a shot Morales coming off a bad loss to a decent fighter in Raheem is better the Oscar De la Hoya ? Fuck no your crazy if you think so. If Pacquiao beats Barrera agian then Soto-Guzman then yeah we might have a new King in p4p. Hes great we all know he can do it but Barrera is no slouch and can pull off a upset hes did it before.

[doknochrisan]

With Rafa Marquez at number 3, if both Pacquiao and Mayweather loose, there will be a new p4p king, I don't know how long he will last but thats something that could happen.

And NO Pac doesn't get the number 1 spot by beating and old Barrera in his retirement fight, as it was stated PBF has to lose.

Will it be a different story if PAC will take on JMM instead of MAB on Oct. 6 and wins it convincingly(either a UD or KO) and then PBF wins a SD over Hatton? Or should PBF really lose in anyway for PAC to become #1 P4P? From the way I see it, PBF should either lose or retire to give way to PAC. Is there anybody in the SF division that can PAC take on for him to become P4P #1 eventhough PBF remains unbeaten?

[doknochrisan]

Most likely I will. I mean lets says Marquez got a very suspect decision over Vasquez and Barrera-Pacquiao 2 is a exact repeat of the 1st fight I might jump Pacquiao into 1 because Barrera is still a top 10 p4p fighter to me and could beat just about anyone on any night.

So in your own words, PBF has to lose, Marquez should not be impressive in his fight with Vasquez and PAC has to KO MAB or get a UD for him to become #1 P4P?

[kg0208]

Unless PBF loses....no. Pacman can no longer lean on the "better resume" thing. Pacman is fighting an older and far past his best MAB and beat a Morales who had just lost to a good but not great fighter badly. That doesn't equate to beating an old and past it DLH (who is greater than Morales) and a prime Hatton.

As for the destroying his opponents theory. That doesn't fly. That would mean that pure boxers could never get past the punchers on any list, since they would never "destroy" their opponents.

[kg0208]

When Pac beats Marquez next year. He will be.

Not if PBF beats Hatton then were to fight and beat either Mosley or Cotto. Pacman is going to most likely need a loss by PBF to move up.

[Marnoff]

Floyd would have to lose.

[Fedor Em]

Not if Floyd beats Hatton, plus if Joe toasts Kessler then he will be top 3-4 as well.

[PATSYS]

With currently PBF on top, can PAC become #1 P4P without holding a legit belt when he beats Barrera come Oct. 6? If the PBF vs Hatton will push through on December and Pretty Boy gets it via a SD, will PAC overtake him on the list? Or will this depend on how PAC will annihilate Barrera?

Even if Pac beats MAB then JMM later this year, he only gets #2 spot if PBF beats Hatton.

But next year if Pac beats Guzman, he will tie up with PBF at the top spot.

[Spitfire7]

Hell, no. With the great matchups shaping up within the year, the mythical P4P lists will be in for a long overhaul.

[jimmie]

So in your own words, PBF has to lose, Marquez should not be impressive in his fight with Vasquez and PAC has to KO MAB or get a UD for him to become #1 P4P?

In my mind yes but hardly anyway has Marquez at number 2 like I do p4p. I have him their cause I think his overall body of work is just as good as Pacquiaos with guys like Mark Johnson,Silence Mabuza,Tim Austin,Israel Vasquez and the fact I find him as a better fighter p4p then Pacquiao he seems more polished and better techniqually.

[hopkinsfan07]

pacman will never be top ten p4p hopkins is 2nd anyway

[kg0208]

In my mind yes but hardly anyway has Marquez at number 2 like I do p4p. I have him their cause I think his overall body of work is just as good as Pacquiaos with guys like Mark Johnson,Silence Mabuza,Tim Austin,Israel Vasquez and the fact I find him as a better fighter p4p then Pacquiao he seems more polished and better techniqually.

I got him #4 and definitely within shouting distance of #1 with a couple of more good wins. His overall body of work is overlooked. Beating Johnson and Austin in their primes are two highly impressive wins.

[jonesjrp4p1]

no mayweather will handle hatton with ease and will more than likely retire at the top of the list

[loui_ludwig]

For Pac to become #1, PBF needs to lose to whoever his fighting. Pac needs to do what he did to EM on their 3rd fight.

[kg0208]

For Pac to become #1, PBF needs to lose to whoever his fighting. Pac needs to do what he did to EM on their 3rd fight.

I think he needs to do it to someone he hasn't already done it too. Preferrably another champion in their prime. He can do it, but he isn't fighting them.

[JAM Killer]

It is not up to Pacquiao, it is up to Floyd, because when he beats Hatton his rating is going to skyrocket.

[doknochrisan]

In my mind yes but hardly anyway has Marquez at number 2 like I do p4p. I have him their cause I think his overall body of work is just as good as Pacquiaos with guys like Mark Johnson,Silence Mabuza,Tim Austin,Israel Vasquez and the fact I find him as a better fighter p4p then Pacquiao he seems more polished and better techniqually.

Raf would sure go down on the p4p list.

[Chert]

hmm... so who becomes the rightful #1 p4p if pbf loses to hatton in Dec? i'm assumming that pac beats barrera in Oct.

[rr94]

Most likely I will. I mean lets says Marquez got a very suspect decision over Vasquez and Barrera-Pacquiao 2 is a exact repeat of the 1st fight I might jump Pacquiao into 1 because Barrera is still a top 10 p4p fighter to me and could beat just about anyone on any night.

Barerra still a stop 10 p4p fighter? what are u smoking????

NO ESTEEMED BOXING WRITER HAS HAD MAB IN THE TOP 10 P4P FOR A WHILE!

And no, he'll never beat Marquez, thats why there is no rematch...he knows hes getting too old so he's only fighting the one fight he can get up for...but it's too little too late. PAcquaio gets nothing from me for beating Barerra at this stage of his career.

[Alo2006]

No, because Mayweather is going to beat Hatton come Dec 8 :yep :bbb

[PacDbest]

Pac is already No 1 in my book for the long time, since he Koed Morales. Among the P4p entrant, Pac is consistently the one who overwhelms & Destroy a HOFamers or P4P fighters. Even his former Sparring Partner since his 122 days Vasquez KOed the #3 P4P Rafa Marquez. Everybody knows Pac just toyed with Vasquez in sparring. This Just show how Pac was above the rest.

[FiveStoneFists]

Let me ask you, were they (austin and Johnson) p4p at any point??

Just asking coz I just dont know.

Johnson was still good, but fighting above his natural weight and aging - before fighting Marquez people were wondering if he could handle bantamweight effectively. Still an excellent win though, as Johnson had skills. Austin was too inactive, if I remember correctly, he was having management troubles. Marquez was expected to lose this fight, before Marquez beat Johnson, people were looking for Austin - Johnson (Austin being the favourite). I would not say prime, they were both 30+ but still excellent fighters.

[roadrunner]

Hatton needs to beat Mayweather first and thats not going to happen. I have Rafael Marquez ahead of Pacquiao anyway.
Rafa ahead of Pac? So where to you place Vasquez? This does'nt make sense.

[doknochrisan]

hmm... so who becomes the rightful #1 p4p if pbf loses to hatton in Dec? i'm assumming that pac beats barrera in Oct.

PAC > Bhop, Raf's out.

[Sister Sledge]

Pac hasn't really beaten anyone of note, lately. Barrera is not an elite fighter anymore, either. He's not even a live underdog. If PBF beats Hatton, he'll have beaten Hatton and ODH in the same year. I think that trumps anything Pac has done this year.

[rendog67]

if results go his way then yes

[Stinky gloves]

No, because Mayweather is going to beat Hatton come Dec 8 :yep :bbb

And more important Barrera is going to beat Pacquaio, so the
Hatton-Mayweather fight doesn't really matter for this topic.

[theunderdog]

And more important Barrera is going to beat Pacquaio, so the
Hatton-Mayweather fight doesn't really matter for this topic.

i repeat. the shame will be unbearable for you come october. i pity you. the pacfans won't rest til they get you out of esb


anyway, the only way pac will have a shot at number 1 is if pbf loses which won't happen

[Stinky gloves]

i repeat. the shame will be unbearable for you come october. i pity you. the pacfans won't rest til they get you out of esb


anyway, the only way pac will have a shot at number 1 is if pbf loses which won't happen

Is that mean that if Barrera beat PAc in October the PAc nuthuggers leave ESB also?

[theunderdog]

that's up to you pal. batter them to submission until they finally don't want to stay here anymore. that's your job

[doknochrisan]

Is that mean that if Barrera beat PAc in October the PAc nuthuggers leave ESB also?

Are you ready to leave ESB?

[Gneus7]

He's been the best p4p 4 a while in my opinion. I dont like the way PBF avoids the best WW's.

[doknochrisan]

When as the last time Pac fought somebody coming off a win

His last fight, Solis.

[Franchise_411]

Pacquiao won't be considered for P4P #1 until he beats the best competition out there in his division, who in my opinion are Juan Manuel Marquez and Joan Guzman ...

On the other hand, if Mayweather beats Hatton, it doesn't cement his status at number one at all because Hatton is clearly not the best competition ... I'm anxious to see how Mayweather would come out of a fight with Cotto, Mosley or Williams.

[platnumpapi]

pbf has to lose for him to become number 1, hell he just became number 2 when winky lost to hopkins.pbf is fighting just as good or atleast top p4p guys as the next man.pbf will have to lose to lose his number 1 spot PERIOD !!

[Morrissey]

Nope, unless he faces and beats JMM or Guzman convincingly like what he had done to Morales in their last fight, which I doubt will happen this year.

He does not need any PBF loss to have that ranking; it all depends on his showing.

[hellblazer]

who
just to answer your query (who did Pac beat coming off a win)

Jorge Solis - his 1st k.o lost
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[psychopath]

With currently PBF on top, can PAC become #1 P4P without holding a legit belt when he beats Barrera come Oct. 6? If the PBF vs Hatton will push through on December and Pretty Boy gets it via a SD, will PAC overtake him on the list? Or will this depend on how PAC will annihilate Barrera?

Honestly NO. I don't think so. JMM is now way up in the P4P list than MAB. No matter what, Pac needs to beat JMM first for him to have a claim at the no. 1 slot. . . . TO THINK . . . he is up against PBF . . . who is a six divisional champ and still undefeated.

[PacDbest]

If PBF stinks the Joint & cannot dominate Hatton. Then Pac Dominates MAB with spectacular KO. Pac should definitely #1 P4P.

[PacDbest]

Honestly NO. I don't think so. JMM is now way up in the P4P list than MAB. No matter what, Pac needs to beat JMM first for him to have a claim at the no. 1 slot. . . . TO THINK . . . he is up against PBF . . . who is a six divisional champ and still undefeated.

PBF should Beat Cotto, Mosley, Williams & Hatton imprssively to be #1 in my Book.

[psychopath]

PBF should Beat Cotto, Mosley, Williams & Hatton imprssively to be #1 in my Book.

That's in your book . . . so who's gonna argue with that? :rasta

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[doknochrisan]

If PBF stinks the Joint & cannot dominate Hatton. Then Pac Dominates MAB with spectacular KO. Pac should definitely #1 P4P.

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