Alexis Arguello vs Henry Armstrong at 135

[Fedor Em]

This matchup is very intruging. A younger, fresher Arguello facing a fighter that was even more intense than Pryor. Could Arguello score the big right hands enough to keep Armstrong at bay. Would Henry's chin hold up? Could he wear down Arguello and stop him. Outwork him and win on the cards or would Arguello's timing and accuracy impress the judges enough for a points win? I see a lot of intangables playing into this match up.

Armstrong close decision, he might even be KD in this fight.

[MRBILL]

Arguello had the better stance and ring generalship, but, Hank Armstrong was too full of piss and vinegar at 135 pounds to lose. It's a very tough call indeed, however, I'll take Armstrong on points.... Hank pulls off what Mancini ALMOST did in 1981....

[Robbi]

Arguello had the better stance and ring generalship, but, Hank Armstrong was too full of piss and vinegar at 135 pounds to lose. It's a very tough call indeed, however, I'll take Armstrong on points.... Hank pulls off what Mancini ALMOST did in 1981....

Don't you think Armstrong could topple Arguello late like Pryor did?. He's certainly got the volume to do so and goes downstairs more often, although his style isn't quite as unpredictable. With the fight being at lightweight, Arguello would carry more pop and be closer to his prime.

[MRBILL]

Don't you think Armstrong could topple Arguello late like Pryor did?. He's certainly got the volume to do so and goes downstairs more often, although his style isn't quite as unpredictable. With the fight being at lightweight, Arguello would carry more pop and be closer to his prime.

Hanks wins at either weight of 135 or 140 over Alexis... Decision or late round TKO...:roll:

MR.BILL

[Titan1]

Hank pulls out a close decision, flooring Alexis in the process.

[PH|LLA]

Armstrong gets way too close for comfort and wears Arguello out, possibly stopping him, definitely winning the fight.

[WhataRock]

I think this fight would be better at 126-130.

[El Bujia]

I think this fight would be better at 126-130.Here, here!

I think Arguello could cause Armstrong a bit more discomfort than is being considered, also. The reason being body shots. His uppercut to the bread basket was a debilitating punch in particular.

[salsanchezfan]

I like the fight better at the lower weights too. At 135, Arguello had started his descent a bit, and was a little less fluid, his size mattered a little less, just a fraction less a fighter than he'd been. Armstrong wins for sure at 135, and perhaps all these weights, but Arguello's chances are better at 130. Not because of the weight, but because he was just fresher then, and moved better.

[laxpdx]

I think Armstrong's aggression sees him weather some good accurate punching by Arguello, which culminates in a hard-earned UD for Henry.

[GPater11093]

At 126lbs I would favour Arguello, the higher it goes the more you have to favour Hank.

[PowerPuncher]

At 126lbs I would favour Arguello, the higher it goes the more you have to favour Hank.

Whats your basis for that prediction. In terms of weight classes Arguello actually looks the bigger man so being at a higher weight isn't going to hinder him. It seems Armstrong was also at his prime at 126 for the Sarron fight, he only went up in weight to make history

As a match up its similar to Pryor-Arguello and allot depends on whether Arguello can keep it on the outside or Armstrong can keep closing the gap and getting on Arguello's chest to break Alexis down on the inside. I don't think Armstrong beat anyone like Arguello or anyone as good for that matter, but the same is true if you turn it around

[GPater11093]

Whats your basis for that prediction. In terms of weight classes Arguello actually looks the bigger man so being at a higher weight isn't going to hinder him. It seems Armstrong was also at his prime at 126 for the Sarron fight, he only went up in weight to make history

As a match up its similar to Pryor-Arguello and allot depends on whether Arguello can keep it on the outside or Armstrong can keep closing the gap and getting on Arguello's chest to break Alexis down on the inside. I don't think Armstrong beat anyone like Arguello or anyone as good for that matter, but the same is true if you turn it around

At 126lbs I think Arguello is a physical beast, his strength and height is almost unheard of as well with his huge punch. He was a bit more of a brawler down at Feather and I think this is in his aid as he would need to throw a bit more to match Armstrong, but he could also box a bit when he wanted to and the basis for his technique was all there.

The higher he went in the weights the more he became reliant on counter-punching and boxing ability IMO and against Armstrong I think he needs to be a bit more loose fisted and trigger happy. Although like you say the Pryor parallels are there and we did see how well Arguello did against Pryor by countering. Actually, it is more to do with Arguello's strength, I would say he could probably hold his own with Armstrong at Featherweight but give Armstrong a bit more weight and he probably would start to out-muscle Arguello.

Basically at Featherweight I can see Arguello matching Armstrong's strength and being able to land those hard body shots and right hand - left hooks combos and the power of these shots could definitely off set the number of Armstrong punches being thrown. Also I think Arguello might be able to persuade Armstrong to stop burrowing in as much, as Arguello could really time those counters as Armstrong steps in. I won't say Arguello stops him but I think his authoritative punching and cleaner shots would take the decision.

[bodhi]

Whats your basis for that prediction. In terms of weight classes Arguello actually looks the bigger man so being at a higher weight isn't going to hinder him. It seems Armstrong was also at his prime at 126 for the Sarron fight, he only went up in weight to make history

As a match up its similar to Pryor-Arguello and allot depends on whether Arguello can keep it on the outside or Armstrong can keep closing the gap and getting on Arguello's chest to break Alexis down on the inside. I don't think Armstrong beat anyone like Arguello or anyone as good for that matter, but the same is true if you turn it around

Ross was better than Arguello and bigger.

[PowerPuncher]

Ross was better than Arguello and bigger.

Disagree they are very different stylistically so hard to compare but I think Arguello may have been better and I don't even think Ross was bigger, Arguello was huge for his weight.

[My2Sense]

Very interesting fight. Arguello could be outfought on the inside for stretches (see his fights with Olivares and Escalera), but only a very exceptional fighter could've kept it up for an entire fight. However, Armstrong was one of the most exceptional fighters that ever lived.

[McGrain]

I like Armstrong big.

[PowerPuncher]

At 126lbs I think Arguello is a physical beast, his strength and height is almost unheard of as well with his huge punch. He was a bit more of a brawler down at Feather and I think this is in his aid as he would need to throw a bit more to match Armstrong, but he could also box a bit when he wanted to and the basis for his technique was all there.

The higher he went in the weights the more he became reliant on counter-punching and boxing ability IMO and against Armstrong I think he needs to be a bit more loose fisted and trigger happy. Although like you say the Pryor parallels are there and we did see how well Arguello did against Pryor by countering. Actually, it is more to do with Arguello's strength, I would say he could probably hold his own with Armstrong at Featherweight but give Armstrong a bit more weight and he probably would start to out-muscle Arguello.

Basically at Featherweight I can see Arguello matching Armstrong's strength and being able to land those hard body shots and right hand - left hooks combos and the power of these shots could definitely off set the number of Armstrong punches being thrown. Also I think Arguello might be able to persuade Armstrong to stop burrowing in as much, as Arguello could really time those counters as Armstrong steps in. I won't say Arguello stops him but I think his authoritative punching and cleaner shots would take the decision.

I think Arguello actually grew into the 130-140lbs very well, he got stronger as he grew as most men did. Ofcourse he was even more of a freak of nature for a feathweight with greater advantages. Armstrong was probably a physical freak of nature at 126lbs too. He ws probably more comfortable at 130lbs but Arguello probably was to be fair. I wonder if such a huge FW like Arguello would have been drained at 126 and thats why he came into his own somewhat at 130lbs. Whats the earliest Armstrong footage out there, does the Sarron fight exist?

[My2Sense]

Disagree they are very different stylistically so hard to compare but I think Arguello may have been better and I don't even think Ross was bigger, Arguello was huge for his weight.

Ross was a natural 140-pounder at the very least, which Arguello wasn't.

[PowerPuncher]

Ross was a natural 140-pounder at the very least, which Arguello wasn't.

I think most would consider Ross prime at 135lbs, where he'd weigh low 130s, Arguello's prime is considered to be at 130lbs so its close in that sense but Arguello has inches in height, reach on Ross and looks stockier, stronger and leaner

[El Bujia]

:lol: @ Arguello being "stockier" than anyone.

[BUDW]

Henry by late TKO

[My2Sense]

I think most would consider Ross prime at 135lbs, ...

Ross wasn't at 135 for the vast majority of his prime, so that argument is a contradiction.

where he'd weigh low 130s, ...

When did he weigh in "the low 130s" during his prime??

Arguello's prime is considered to be at 130lbs so its close in that sense but Arguello has inches in height, reach on Ross and looks stockier, stronger and leaner

How on earth is he both stockier and leaner?? :huh

[My2Sense]

:lol: @ Arguello being "stockier" than anyone.

:lol: They didn't call him "The Explosive Stocky Man" for nothin' ... :lol:

[WhataRock]

I think I PP means that Ross had a more slight and less muscular build than Arguello..even though he was shorter.

Which is true but different guys have different physiques. Ross' effectiveness at the higher weights cannot be questioned, I feel he is the naturally bigger guy.

[turpinr]

i'll go with arguello on points

[PowerPuncher]

I think I PP means that Ross had a more slight and less muscular build than Arguello..even though he was shorter.

Which is true but different guys have different physiques. Ross' effectiveness at the higher weights cannot be questioned, I feel he is the naturally bigger guy.

Exactly Arguello was a beast of a man, every sinew of his muscles was boxing specific strength, which is very rare. Look at his back and shoulders, his conditioning. Unlike most rangy boxers he was strong on the inside. He always bossed opponents around the ring, you just couldn't go toe-toe with him, even Pryor was reliant on his speed, workrate and skill because punch for punch he was getting bossed

[PowerPuncher]

How on earth is he both stockier and leaner?? :huh

'Lean' is a measure of bodyfat percentage. Stocky is a measure of muscularity. You can be stocky and lean

[GPater11093]

Very interesting fight. Arguello could be outfought on the inside for stretches (see his fights with Olivares and Escalera), but only a very exceptional fighter could've kept it up for an entire fight. However, Armstrong was one of the most exceptional fighters that ever lived.

To be fair here though, Olivares used a very tactical and clever inside fight as instead of completely swarming all over Arguello he was getting in and constantly changing angles with his shots.

I don't think Armstrong's type of inside fighting and style suit this type of fight IMO, but his inside work could do some damage. I just don't like the way Arguello can bang the body as Armstrong comes in, looks like it would really work against Armstrong.

I like Armstrong big.

I can't see it big either way. I think Armstrong is the much better fighter but the style thing here is bad for him IMO.

I think Arguello actually grew into the 130-140lbs very well, he got stronger as he grew as most men did. Ofcourse he was even more of a freak of nature for a feathweight with greater advantages. Armstrong was probably a physical freak of nature at 126lbs too. He ws probably more comfortable at 130lbs but Arguello probably was to be fair. I wonder if such a huge FW like Arguello would have been drained at 126 and thats why he came into his own somewhat at 130lbs. Whats the earliest Armstrong footage out there, does the Sarron fight exist?

At 126lbs Arguello was an absolute freak. Armstrong was too IMO.

At 130lbs I don't think Arguello quite had that physical freakishness he had at Featherweight.

:lol: @ Arguello being "stockier" than anyone.

:lol::lol:

:lol: They didn't call him "The Explosive Stocky Man" for nothin' ... :lol:

:rofl:rofl

[itrymariti]

Armstrong KO

[itrymariti]

...the clear gulf in class being the decider.

[GPater11093]

Great break down Irty.

To be honest, I would like to see your more expanded thinking of it, for all your faults (relating to Monzon) you do know the technical side of boxing pretty well.