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Cobra33
08-04-2007, 03:53 PM
I am curious about Jimmy Young.I've seen his bout vs Foreman but what othr bouts of Young are worth checking out that show Young at his best?
I heard his bout vs Norton was good but Young fought differently in that bout then he usually did.What other bouts would you recommend of Jimmy Young?
Joe E
08-04-2007, 04:06 PM
IMO Jimmy was jobbed againgst old china chin.Check out his fight againgst Ali on You Tube.My Father and I laughed when Jimmy stuck his body between the ropes to avoid being hit.Thanks.
jackiebrown
08-04-2007, 05:08 PM
whos old china chin?
jackiebrown
08-04-2007, 05:08 PM
whos old china chin?
Joe E
08-04-2007, 05:13 PM
whos old china chin?Why Ken Norton of course.Thanks.:lol:
Duodenum
08-04-2007, 05:15 PM
He boxed Ron Lyle's ears off twice. I don't know where footage of either match with Lyle would be available, but the first one vaulted Jimmy into his shot against Ali, and the second sent him into the Foreman win. Aside from the decision over George, those are really the signature performances of Young's career. (Jimmy Young wasn't exactly a spellbinding competitor, and he was prominent during an era when Lyle/Shavers didn't get broadcast, so don't be too surprised to have difficulty finding material dispaying his talents.)
Cobra33
08-04-2007, 05:21 PM
I have acces to his bouts with Page,Dokes and Tony Tubbs.I know he didn't win those but I heard he gave each prospect a hard time which tells you he had skills.
The Kurgan
08-04-2007, 05:31 PM
Outside of the Foreman fight, I've only seen him box impressively when he fought Norton. Norton had a perfect style to deal with someone like Young, yet Young figured out Norton (especially in the early rounds) and should have gotten the decision.
Bummy Davis
08-04-2007, 09:17 PM
Foreman,Ali,Norton
Dostoevsky
08-04-2007, 09:19 PM
Why exactly did Young stick his body through the ropes against Ali?
That was very odd.
Joe E
08-04-2007, 09:32 PM
Why exactly did Young stick his body through the ropes against Ali?
That was very odd.To avoid being hit.Funniest thing I ever saw in a fight.Thanks.
Bummy Davis
08-05-2007, 12:27 AM
Young was a big Sweat Pee W., he could almost HIDE in the Ring, real good defence and sporatic combo's
scartissue
08-05-2007, 11:01 AM
Why exactly did Young stick his body through the ropes against Ali?
That was very odd.


It was actually an ingenious tactical move made famous by wrestlers. Rules are if a man is outside the ropes the Ref has to break. It gave Young a chance to reset himself in ring center. Unfortunately it also made for a boring fight.

Scartissue
JohnThomas1
08-05-2007, 11:07 AM
Fought superbly to hold a rampant up and coming Super Greg Page to about 8 rounds to 4.
cross_trainer
08-05-2007, 11:31 AM
Young was strangely sporadic for a fighter who beat the opponents he did. Against top contenders, he was ironically better in his prime ('74-'78 ) than against mediocre ones:



Wins

UD 10 Ron Lyle
UD 12 Ron Lyle
UD 12 George Foreman (!)

Draws

D 10 Earnie Shavers

Close Losses that could have gone either way

L UD 15 Muhammad Ali
L SD 15 Ken Norton
L SD 10 Ossie Ocasio (out of prime by this point, arguably)

Decisive Losses

Just one...L TKO 3 Earnie Shavers (Young was green...or young, if you prefer bad jokes)








I would rate him higher than Norton in the mid-70's, and indeed just a hair below the big three (Ali, Foreman, Frazier). Had the judges been a bit kinder to Young--as they were to his modern counterpart Chris Byrd--he would hold wins over Ali, Foreman, AND Norton.
JohnThomas1
08-05-2007, 11:47 AM
I would rate him higher than Norton in the mid-70's, and indeed just a hair below the big three (Ali, Foreman, Frazier). Had the judges been a bit kinder to Young--as they were to his modern counterpart Chris Byrd--he would hold wins over Ali, Foreman, AND Norton.

This is a very interesting scenario. People, myself included, automatically put Norton right below Ali, Foreman and Frazier. On closer inspection the gap between Norton and Young lessens, dramatically.
Muchmoore
08-05-2007, 12:55 PM
I would rate him higher than Norton in the mid-70's, and indeed just a hair below the big three (Ali, Foreman, Frazier). Had the judges been a bit kinder to Young--as they were to his modern counterpart Chris Byrd--he would hold wins over Ali, Foreman, AND Norton.

Good points. Jimmy Young is definently under rated, would you rank him top 25-30?
cross_trainer
08-05-2007, 01:06 PM
Good points. Jimmy Young is definently under rated, would you rank him top 25-30?

No, because he wasn't the best of his era. However, a case could be made for him as a top 15/20 in the last 35 years or so.
Duodenum
08-05-2007, 02:35 PM
It was actually an ingenious tactical move made famous by wrestlers. Rules are if a man is outside the ropes the Ref has to break. It gave Young a chance to reset himself in ring center. Unfortunately it also made for a boring fight.

ScartissueYoung paid for his penchant for doing this at the end of round 12 against Ali, when he leaned so far over the ropes that one of his feet actually came off the floor. As soon as it became apparent that the ropes were the only thing holding Jimmy up, referee Tom Kelly promptly ruled a knockdown for Ali, and began administering a count which ended when the bell rang. Who knows how that incident influenced the final scoring?
fg2227
08-05-2007, 03:09 PM
Jimmy young doing that is terrible. No way did he deserve the title.
cross_trainer
08-05-2007, 03:51 PM
Jimmy young doing that is terrible. No way did he deserve the title.

Ali was just as ready to bend the rules as Young was, Schmeling won the championship on a foul, Dempsey knocked Sharkey out with a groin & head combination, and LaMotta won the championship by slamming Cerdan's shoulder on the canvas.

In short, as long as the referee did not call Young on it, there are many worse examples in history.
ChrisPontius
08-05-2007, 04:07 PM
No, because he wasn't the best of his era. However, a case could be made for him as a top 15/20 in the last 35 years or so.

Neither was Norton, but he is ranked as top30 heavy as well.

Norton has that great win over Ali, but then again, Young has wins over Foreman, Lyle 2x and arguably should've gotten the win over Ali and Norton.
cross_trainer
08-05-2007, 04:17 PM
Neither was Norton, but he is ranked as top30 heavy as well.

Norton has that great win over Ali, but then again, Young has wins over Foreman, Lyle 2x and arguably should've gotten the win over Ali and Norton.
That's true, but I've never rated Norton in the top 30 either. I generally rate on how well a fighter did against his contemporaries...Norton on this scale is no higher than many of the contenders that Louis faced. But perhaps Young's resume does entitle him to a much higher ranking.
Titan1
08-06-2007, 10:33 AM
Fought superbly to hold a rampant up and coming Super Greg Page to about 8 rounds to 4.

Greg gave away a couple of those rounds.
JohnThomas1
08-06-2007, 10:37 AM
Greg gave away a couple of those rounds.

I was going to say fatige, but he was at his best weight :blood
Curtis Lowe
08-09-2007, 03:52 PM
Young's best performances were against Ron Lyle, the first fight opened a lot of doors for him and the second, well it was obvious the he just had Lyle's number. His third best performance was the Foreman fight, even though George almost took him out in what I believe was the seventh round. He did not deserve the decision against Norton. Norton was the agressor through out. Saying he deserved that decision is like saying Cory Spinks beat Jermain Taylor.

Young could stand right in front of opponents and make them miss. Very rare. I cannot recall when or if ever he actually got on his bicycle. As much as I hate to make the comparison, he was kinda like Toney in being able to make people miss.