All time punchers...

[WhataRock]

Whats your top5 or even top10 all time punchers for these divisions?

Lightheavy


Welter


Lightweight


Featherweight


You can put any guys who did their best work at the super and jnr division around some of those, just make a note of it.

After seeing dpw's thread I was just thinking about where does Corrales rank all time as a puncher....?

[Jack Presscot]

Ltheavy.....M Moore. Welter, Trinidad, Lightweight, Duran and Chavez.

[McGrain]

Light-heavy:

1 - Sam Langford
2 - Archie Moore
3 - Bob Foster
4 - Roy Jones
5 - Bob Fitzsimmons

[the cobra]

Some of the obvious names

Lightheavy - Foster and Moore

Welter - Robinson, Hearns, Walcott, Trinidad, Cuevas

Light - Duran, Arguello, Williams, Armstrong

Feather - Saddler, Arguello, Armstrong, D. Lopez, probably Hamed makes it



Langford goes in at several weights.

[Sweet Pea]

Ltheavy.....M Moore. Welter, Trinidad, Lightweight, Duran and Chavez.Stick to the Lounge and clinging to Oscar's nutsack Jack, you clearly don't know shit when it comes down to actually discussing the sport.

And I didn't know Michael Moore had stopped directing and taken up boxing.

[McGrain]

Welterweight:

1 - Sugar Ray Robinson
2 - Joe Walcott
3 - Thomas Hearns
4 - Charley Burley
5 - Felix Trinidad

[Sweet Pea]

Some of the obvious names

Lightheavy - Foster and Moore

Welter - Robinson, Hearns, Walcott, Trinidad, Cuevas

Light - Duran, Arguello, Williams, Armstrong

Feather - Saddler, Arguello, Armstrong, D. Lopez, probably Hamed makes it



Langford goes in at several weights.Throw in Rosario at LW, along with Spinks, Saad Muhammad and perhaps Charles at LHW and there you have it.

[McGrain]

Who does Williams have for company at lightweight? Is he the best puncher in that divisions history by distance? Taking everything into account, how does Duran stack up?

[the cobra]

For pure power, Lew Jenkins may deserve a place on that list for lightweight.

[Robbi]

Welterweight:

1 - Sugar Ray Robinson
2 - Joe Walcott
3 - Thomas Hearns
4 - Charley Burley
5 - Felix Trinidad

Sensible placings.

[Robbi]

Feather - Saddler, Arguello, Armstrong, D. Lopez, probably Hamed makes it.

Not probably, definitely.

[McGrain]

Not probably, definitely.

Would you rate him above Lopez and Armstrong? Who would be your #1 at the weight? I would be tempted to go for Arguello although I'm a huge admirer of Saddler.

[Robbi]

Would you rate him above Lopez and Armstrong? Who would be your #1 at the weight? I would be tempted to go for Arguello although I'm a huge admirer of Saddler.

It's hard to rate them in order. I'm not sure any of them listed would have KO'd Soto or McCullough. Those two were ones Hamed couldn't even budge. Although Hamed picked his punches and wasn't particularly a volume puncher. Maybe Saddler and Armstrong would test those two chins more often. Someone like McCullough would get involved in crazy wars with the likes of Saddler and Armstrong and come off second best of course. It's highly unlikey they would knock him out IMO. Infact, Saddler and Armstrong would probably rattle punches off McCullough as reguarly as Morales did at super-bantamweight.

[WhataRock]

Where do names like Wilfredo Gomez and Galaxy belong if you were to just make rankings for the original divisions seeing as though a lot of their best work was in between them at the super/jnr intermediate divisions?

Or you just cant do it without including those divisions...?

A guess I mean how do you compare them to the old boys..

[the cobra]

I think the top spot at featherweight goes to either Armstrong or Arguello, Saddler right behind those two. Armstrong's 27 fight knockout streak with wins over Petey Sarron in 6, Benny Bass in 4, Chalky Wright in 3, Frankie Klick in 4, etc is enough for the top spot, especially when you look at his knockout success above the weight.

[McGrain]

Don't forget Armstrong's stoppage of a Zivic! That's not a joke...but i'd rate Saddler slightly above him, personally.

[Sweet Pea]

In terms of pure power I'd say either Hamed or Lopez at Featherweight personally.

[McGrain]

Yeah.

[Robbi]

It's hard to rate them in order. I'm not sure any of them listed would have KO'd Soto or McCullough. Those two were ones Hamed couldn't even budge. Although Hamed picked his punches and wasn't particularly a volume puncher. Maybe Saddler and Armstrong would test those two chins more often. Someone like McCullough would get involved in crazy wars with the likes of Saddler and Armstrong and come off second best of course. It's highly unlikey they would knock him out IMO. Infact, Saddler and Armstrong would probably rattle punches off McCullough as reguarly as Morales did at super-bantamweight.

I was right with my opening sentence on the pargraph above.

The Cobra - Armstrong or Arguello.

McGrain - Saddler, or do you mean having him above Armstrong and not necesarily #1?

Sweet Pea - Lopez or Hamed.

[the cobra]

Originally posted by Robbi
I was right with my opening sentence on the pargraph above.

The Cobra - Armstrong or Arguello.

McGrain - Saddler, or do you mean having him above Armstrong and not necesarily #1?

Sweet Pea - Lopez or Hamed.
Who do you have at #1?

[Robbi]

Who do you have at #1?

Saddler. His knockout percentage was over 60% and thats not bad going considering he had 162 fights. Zuelta was to Saddler what Soto and McCullough were to Hamed. Pep was rather durable, but Zuelta was as tough as a concrete wall. He wasn't stopped in 124 fights and Saddler couldn't stop him over two fights.

However, knockout percentages on paper can be misleading to a certain degree. High percentages can also mean that a fighter is great with accumulation rather than 'outright' raw power being the reason for so many stoppages.

Duran at lightweight is a classic example. A superb puncher. But he never made opponents fall like Hamed or Hearns. Duran was the type who would pound opponents and take them out down the stretch brutally. If you look at his defenses at lightweight, it supports my claim. Outwith the tomato cans he was was fed in non-title bouts, his stoppages were mostly down the stretch. A serious puncher takes opponents out early when physically and mentally they are tuned.

Tyson, Hearns, Louis, Hamed, Jackson, Shavers, etc. All level 1 punchers. Duran level 2.

[Mantequilla]

Most of Duran's stoppages did come as a result of one or two punches turning things very quickly, without being one-punch knockouts per se.In that area of being more than a wear 'em down puncher, but not quite consistent one-shot either.

he's a bit like Ruben Olivares in that respect, or zarate.

[Brian123]

Lightheavy-Fitzsimmons, Moore

Lightweight-Duran,Arguello

Featherweight-Saddler, Hamed

Welterweight-Trinidad,Robinson

[PowerPuncher]

I'd throw in Corrales at 135, no joke 1 punch head snapping power

[Brian123]

I think the top spot at featherweight goes to either Armstrong or Arguello, Saddler right behind those two. Armstrong's 27 fight knockout streak with wins over Petey Sarron in 6, Benny Bass in 4, Chalky Wright in 3, Frankie Klick in 4, etc is enough for the top spot, especially when you look at his knockout success above the weight.

Arguello, forsure, was the harder hitter between he and Armstrong.

[kinski]

Max Baer, Nigel Benn, Bob Fitzsimmons.

[elchivito]

from heaviest to lightest gotta say
Louis/Foreman, Foster, Robinson, Arguello, Lil Red Lopez/Hamed
no snap, crackle, and pop here. just pop. my apologies to the many ko kings i didn't mention, but these come to mind

[Quickhands21]

Saddler. His knockout percentage was over 60% and thats not bad going considering he had 162 fights. Zuelta was to Saddler what Soto and McCullough were to Hamed. Pep was rather durable, but Zuelta was as tough as a concrete wall. He wasn't stopped in 124 fights and Saddler couldn't stop him over two fights.

However, knockout percentages on paper can be misleading to a certain degree. High percentages can also mean that a fighter is great with accumulation rather than 'outright' raw power being the reason for so many stoppages.

Duran at lightweight is a classic example. A superb puncher. But he never made opponents fall like Hamed or Hearns. Duran was the type who would pound opponents and take them out down the stretch brutally. If you look at his defenses at lightweight, it supports my claim. Outwith the tomato cans he was was fed in non-title bouts, his stoppages were mostly down the stretch. A serious puncher takes opponents out early when physically and mentally they are tuned.

Tyson, Hearns, Louis, Hamed, Jackson, Shavers, etc. All level 1 punchers. Duran level 2.
Very nice description Robbi

[JohnThomas1]

A few notables, pure power wise

Shavers

Foster/Spinks

Hearns/Jackson

SRR/Cuevas

Rosario

Arguello

Hamed/Saddler/Lopez

Gomez/Garza

Zarate/Olivares

Wilde

[ljj]

Forman, Cooney, & Tyson Lyle