MAB at his best, Can he Beat Pac

[brood3]

Eh no, whether Barrera is at his best or worst. Pacquiao will always be faster than Barrera and will always have more punching power than Barrera.

The only way Barrera beats Pacquiao is if they surgically switch his body with Marvin Hagler, switch his arms with Sugar Ray Leonard, switch his fist with Hearns, and switch his chin with Roberto Duran.

That way his body will take the pounding Pacquiao is gonna inflict on his body, his handspeed will actually match or surpass Pacquiao, He'll have the power to hurt Pacquiao, and his chin will hold up to Pacquiao's power.

[scatterbrain]

damn.

i thought mab would be looked upon better in this matchup considering how he defeated morales.

but true, style makes fights.

[teeto]

Originally Posted by scatterbrain

ok mab fans,

at his best can he beat Pac? I am a pac and morales fan.

I just wanted to know if MAB at his best, the one against naz or EM, would be able to defeat Pac.

Pac had a speed advantage over him. although the first mab-pac, mab seemed to be too over confident and even thought that he scored a legit KD over pac in the early rounds.

your thoughts.

I was a big Barrera fan in his prime, my favourite fighter for a good few years, and it was probably the fascination with him that got me to become a 'boxing freek' rather than a fan, well him and Tyson. But nar, looking at it unbiased, i'd pick Pacquiao. For us to nitpick and say Barrera wasn't prime in their actual fight is a bit off for me, but even if we do, then i'd still pick Pacquiao.

[teeto]

This 'new' Pacquiao, trying ot incorporate a bit of composure into his movement is the one that Barrera would do better againat prime for prime 9of course that would have to be in a pound for pound sense because the weight classes don't directly correspond, but anyway, the way Pacquiao fought in their actual fight is the way he should always fight Barrera in a hypothetical match up, i'd pick him every time that provided.

[Popkins]

Originally Posted by scatterbrain

ok mab fans,

at his best can he beat Pac? I am a pac and morales fan.

I just wanted to know if MAB at his best, the one against naz or EM, would be able to defeat Pac.

Pac had a speed advantage over him. although the first mab-pac, mab seemed to be too over confident and even thought that he scored a legit KD over pac in the early rounds.

your thoughts.

Peak MAB fought Pac, and got KTFO. End of story.

[scatterbrain]

Originally Posted by Popkins

Peak MAB fought Pac, and got KTFO. End of story.

you are most unkind.

[Addie]

Originally Posted by Popkins

Peak MAB fought Pac, and got KTFO. End of story.

MAB got stopped on his feet.


I personally feel the best Marco Antonio Barrera that I ever saw, which was against Jesus Salud in 2000, would have given any 122lbs fighter in history absolute hell. That means to say I feel he beats everyone of them except for maybe Gomez, who's ability to mix combination's and power better than maybe anyone else ever would be too much. Marco's speed at that point in time was dangerously close to being just as fast as Manny's, but his ability to deliver punches with better technique would have made the difference.

And I agree with Teeto, Manny will always do better against Marco with an offensively minded game plan. If he tries to counter Marco, he'll often get punished just as Tapia did in my signature. Allow Marco in his comfort zone and that's when he's at his brilliant best. I'd love to see Manny land a combination like that, he's never shown that kind of ring craft.

[scatterbrain]

Originally Posted by Addie

MAB got stopped on his feet.


I personally feel the best Marco Antonio Barrera that I ever saw, which was against Jesus Salud in 2000, would have given any 122lbs fighter in history absolute hell. That means to say I feel he beats everyone of them except for maybe Gomez, who's ability to mix combination's and power better than maybe anyone else ever would be too much. Marco's speed at that point in time was dangerously close to being just as fast as Manny's, but his ability to deliver punches with better technique would have made the difference.

self kill, mab got KD twice in the fight. one officially in the 3rd and one in the 6th which was incorrectly called a slip.

hmm. you might make a fair point, jesus salud fight of 2000. interesting point, so he was nowhere prime immediately prior to and after he fought pac?

[Addie]

self kill, mab got KD twice in the fight. one officially in the 3rd and one in the 6th which was incorrectly called a slip.

I've watched the fight, Scatterbrain. As you say, Marco was knocked down, multiple times, but he was never knocked out cold.

KTFO (Knocked the fuck out) is what happened to Manny Pacquiao against Torrecampo. He took a 10 count, and had no idea where he was.

I'm not saying this to mock Manny, lots of great fighters get knocked the fuck out in their careers, but it never happened to Marco. Not even against Jones. He was again stopped on his feet.

hmm. you might make a fair point, jesus salud fight of 2000. interesting point, so he was nowhere prime immediately prior to and after he fought pac?

Barrera's prime - 1998-2003

Wenton, Llyod, Najera, Freitas, Salud, Hamed, Sanchez, Erik Morales, Johnny Tapia.

Watch those string of fights, one of the most complete fighters of the last 20 years at his absolute peak.

Boxing is a funny sport. Roberto Duran looked unbeatable for maybe one night against Ray Leonard, and he'd never look that good again ever. I personally don't think Marco was prepared for Manny that night, I think he thought he'd run over this little Filipino in double quick time. He ended up getting beaten up badly. Is this to say the best Marco beats the best Manny? I don't think so, Manny has come on considerably since then, but I favor Marco at 122lbs.

[Archie_Moore]

no he cant