RJJ vs. Rodrigo Valdez

[bodhi]

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

This inexperienced Jones dominated Hopkins and would dominate Toney in the fight after he left 160lbs, both considered punchers at the time, Hopkins was a seek and destroy type with 16 KOs out of 22 wins, Hopkins-Jones was expected to be a brawl at the time as Jones was blowing everyone out

Hopkins wasn´t what he would became later on, he still needed two years. Valdez was a whole different, higher class fighter than the Hopkins who fought Jones. And Toney, well, he doesn´t fight like Valdez and Jones had a huge style advantage. Against Valdez he wouldn´t have that.

[PowerPuncher]

Originally Posted by bodhi

Hopkins wasn´t what he would became later on, he still needed two years. Valdez was a whole different, higher class fighter than the Hopkins who fought Jones. And Toney, well, he doesn´t fight like Valdez and Jones had a huge style advantage. Against Valdez he wouldn´t have that.

No Valdez wasnt a higher class fighter than Hopkins, Hopkins had far superior footwork and skill than Valdez at that stage whos feet looked to be in quick sand at times. Hopkins would become savvier in years to come but he was 28years old at his physical best even if he became a bit more cunning in age. Stylistically a more cautious Hopkins would do worse against Jones anyway.

How do you figure out Jones wouldnt have a stylistical advantage when Valdez is easier to hit the Toney, a worse counter puncher, slower than Toney. Obviously Valez could punch, but so could Toney, both fighter try to roll and counter with the right, both had eff all chance of doing it against Jones. Valdez is better at applying pressure than Toney but hes worse than the Hopkins because hes slower of hand and foot and pretty easier to figure out what hes going to do. Valdez might well not win a round in this 1, no disrespect to him

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Xplosive

Jones by wide UD. Roy's style was all wrong for Valdez.

Most definitely. People are starting to overrate Valdez. He lost to Hugo Corro for fuck's sake.

[robert ungurean]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Most definitely. People are starting to overrate Valdez. He lost to Hugo Corro for fuck's sake.

[redrooster]

Originally Posted by Ezzard

15 rounds, 160, same day weigh in, both have the benefit of the same nutrtiton...

I think Jones didn't have the experience to deal with Valdez. He's ahead on points until Valdez turns the lights out

Don't you ever give up?

[My dinner with Conteh]

Good to see some credit to a fighter like valdez but Jones is way too quick and slick. A wide UD all day long.

[JohnThomas1]

Originally Posted by Mantequilla

Valdez was a beast, but he had some clear limitations as well.Namely movers and cuties.

He had to go all out to beat a decently talented stylist like Rudy Robles and tended to lapse into a follow the man around the ring Tito'esque plod if he was fighting someone using a lot of safety first movement.Generally a slow starter as well.

You can be damn sure Jones would take this one in a safety first manner, give very little away and win a dull, lopsided decision.I think it's often forgotten what an intelligent, intuitive ring general jones was in his prime, he wasn't just the uber athlete with no deeper skills or knowledge of the game that he often gets portrayed as now.

IF Valdez does start to get through with his heavy combo's he has a good chance of a KO, but i wouldn't make it the probable outcome.

Post of the thread. Fine balance and insight.

[red cobra]

I still think that preMonzon Valdez is being painfully and wrongly underrated by you posters, and Pea...I respect the hell out of your opinions, as you know, but come on, Valdez was SHOT when Corro got to him.