BS that Cottos belt is on the line at 145

[Thinman]

Originally Posted by Vitor Belfort

Does it really matter? It's not like it's the first time this is happening. It has happen before.

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here's bunch of fights that are in a catchweight. Many of them are title fights.

Ray Leonard TKO9 Donny Lalonde -- Las Vegas, Nov. 7, 1988


Paulie Ayala W12 Johnny Tapia -- Las Vegas, Oct. 7, 2000


Bernard Hopkins KO9 Oscar De La Hoya -- Las Vegas, Sept. 18, 2004

It was bullshit in the past, it is bullshit at the present and it will be bullshit in the future as well.....at least the ones where a title was on the line....

[Thom]

Originally Posted by JML

Anyone else think it's BS that the WBO is on the line at a catchweight and Cotto has the right to be 147?

Christ, are people whinning about this shit again? No, I don't. There have been several instances of high profile catch weight title fights in the past. I really don't understand why so many people are worked up about it. It's only a bullshit paper title to begin with.

[ceebz]

Jesus, not this bullshit again.

Team Pacquiao wanted the fight @ 143. It's Cotto who wanted 145. Team Pac agreed to fight at the weight Cotto wanted.

Cotto is free to weigh in @147 if he so desires. He'll just have to pay a fine of $1 million for every pound over the weight he stipulated.

[Beenie]

No it's not BS. There's several precedences for titles being on the line in catchweight situations; Leonard vs Lalonde being one. The bottom line is that as long as the title is being staked at a weight below the division's limit then it should very well be on the line. If Pavlik fought Calderon at a catchweight of 150 lbs then as far as I'm concerned Pav's belts should be on the line.


*Voted no by accident and meant yes

[bandeedo]

im a fan of catchweights between the top fighters in each division. the camps should know better than anyone else what their fighters limits are. if they agree to a weight, it says to me that they think they can level that advantage and still win the fight. this is, in my opinion, the fairest way to approximate a h2h fantasy match up.
i dont worry too much about the politics of the scrap. as long as its a fair meeting in the middle of advantages, the best fighter should win.

[PH|LLA]

Originally Posted by Da Chin Chekka

Yeah but when Floyd did it he was labeled a cheater..

I don't know about cheater but he definately had an unfair advantage, same as Cottto would if the fight was at 147.

[8count]

IMO: i no longer care about the trinket. I think the 145lb weigh-in limit is fair. the clause to pay money for every pound over is fair. pulling the plug if one fighter goes over 147 is fair too (don't need a circus).

Having the title on the line is for advertising purposes. It sells more to the general public. In the end, both fighters will get more money. So one must understand that Cotto intelligently allowed the title on the line to set it up as a title fight and therefore make more money.

If i were an adviser, I could tell Cotto to just focus on making his previous weigh-in which was 146, put the title on the line, get more viewers to watch, pay the money for that one pound over, and LET's just get the fight ON!

[ipe]

Originally Posted by sdsfinest22

so if pac wins and wants a fight against margarito than he could demand the fight at 141 lbs...

Margarito would die tryin to make 141..

The rule is stupid if u ask me...cotto should be allowed to defend at 147 and thats that

No, it's the other way around. The rule is pretty simple. A fighter should come at specified weight during weigh in. It's the fighter who's taking advantage of the rule come fight night

[neostarsx]

Who cares. If it wasn't for Manny, boxing be bit dull at the moment.
I'm so excited and cant wait til next week.

[Boom_Boom]

If Cotto weighs-in at 147 yeah it should be on the line but he should still pay the penalties for breaking contract.

If Cotto weighs-in at 145 it will and should be on the line. Its when the fight is above the weight division limit is when the title shouldnt be on the line.

[blastmaster122]

In a way, 145 is a deferred negotiation tactic. The fight could have been at 147 the entire time with Cotto already getting a much lesser share of the purse, or Cotto can try to make 145 in order to make more money.

[NALLEGE]

Originally Posted by PH|LLA

he's allowed to come in at 147 if he wants so its not BS

the 145 catchweight is just about the purse, not the title. Thats a seperate issue.

WTF???

[NALLEGE]

Cotto's title should not be on the line since he can't weigh in at the limit of 147...

[caneman]

What's the big deal with the 145 pound catchweight? Why not blame the original inventors of the 145 pound division title fights, Julio Cesar Chavez and Pernell Whitaker. Too much hypocrits on ESB.

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...On Friday they were fighting for Whitaker's title, with a 145-pound weight ceiling—two below the customary welter-weight limit—set to accommodate the lighter Chávez, but there was a good deal more at stake. "This is for the best fighter, pound for pound," said Whitaker, a....

[J.R.]

Originally Posted by JML

Anyone else think it's BS that the WBO is on the line at a catchweight and Cotto has the right to be 147?

No... it's a welterweight belt not a 147 pound belt, dumbshit. So as long as the fight takes place above 140 and at, or below 147 then the belt should be on the line.