Is there anyone that poses a threat to Fedor?

Shpion · 06-18-2007, 03:08 PM

After watching Fedor taking apart everybody he faces time and time again, I have a question. Is there anybody in Pride or UFC that poses a real threat to him?

Dostoevsky · 06-18-2007, 03:15 PM

Sergei Kharitonov

He has a good ground game,is a sambo practitioner and he is a very very good boxer,very hard hitter,pin point accuracy.
Very athletic and good stamina.

I personally thought he won his fight with Nogueira,he outstruck big nog in the stand up and was normally on top during the ground game. I'm not sure why he lost that fight,perhaps because nog had more takedowns?

His fight with Overeem,was fair and square he just got beat.

Now his fight with Aleksander......hmmm.......Sergei was dominating all aspects of the fight till ge got stopped,he had better accuracy was faster seemed the harder puncher,Aleksander was always backing away on the defensive. Sergei got caught with a great punch and then it was all over due to some vicious knees.

Don't think the fight with aleksander is an indication of how a fight with fedor would go......Aleks is 6 inches taller than his brother, has a longer reach,is a harder puncher,
Aleks is taller than sergei while fedor would be significantly shorter than sergei.

I think fedor would have great trouble getting on the inside of Sergei due to sergei's great technical boxing skills,also fedor has never fought anyone in MMA who was a sambo fighter themselves.

It would be an interesting fight.

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boxingcar · 06-18-2007, 03:19 PM

EVERYONE...in this sport , everyone does when you think about it.
And fedor's major weakness are cuts too...

He should've lost his latest fight vs Lindland...That one shoulda been a huge upset too but it didn't happened because Fedor finished that guy in about 2 or 3 minutes... But Fed was bleeding a lot in that fight...The ref could've stopped it at anytime.

jimmie · 06-18-2007, 03:31 PM

Randy Couture actually. Boxingcar pointed out Fedors weakness is cuts and hes right. Randy can get a takedown no doubt in my mind and all he needs is 3-4 short elbows and he can win on cuts.

Shpion · 06-18-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by boxingcar

EVERYONE...in this sport , everyone does when you think about it.
And fedor's major weakness are cuts too...

He should've lost his latest fight vs Lindland...That one shoulda been a huge upset too but it didn't happened because Fedor finished that guy in about 2 or 3 minutes... But Fed was bleeding a lot in that fight...The ref could've stopped it at anytime.

And that the exact problem with cuts in MMA and Boxing. IMO the only time the fight should be stopped is when a fighter that is cut clearly being dominated but if he is winning the fight I don't care if he is blind, deaf and on a wheal-chair, let him continue and be victorious.

Shpion · 06-18-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Nah man, Sergei's been done for a while now and is ony getting worse. At one point when he was roiding up in Pride maybe, but no longer.

I still say Cro Cop.

But Fedor beat him in his own game?

Shpion · 06-18-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Fedor beat himbecause Cro Cop was trying to avoid the takedown the entire fight which is why he was so hesitant on the feet. He ddi way more damage even with the lesser amount of shots he landed on the feet. Nah Fedor didn;'t beat him at his own game, he was looking to take the fight to the ground every time. In a rematch, if Cro Cop came in his best, like he did for the 2006 OWGP, he could beat Fedor by being more of an attacker and possibly KO'ing him.

I saw it differently. Fedor did take CroCop down but did not commit on the ground.

boxingcar · 06-18-2007, 03:57 PM

crocop would've owned fedor under K1 rules..but this is mma and anything can happen...takedowns and subs are involved...slams , elbows , soccer kicks...

you can't compare it to kickboxing or boxing...

there's no ref to separate the fighters during the clinch...

Dostoevsky · 06-18-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Nah man, Sergei's been done for a while now and is ony getting worse. At one point when he was roiding up in Pride maybe, but no longer.

I still say Cro Cop.

Are we talking about the same fighter?

Sergei, done? He's only 26 for christs sake! he had two bad losses back to back but he just won his last fight and is still very dangerous.

And theres no way he was on roids! He certainly doesn't look it and theres no evidence to suggest he was.

I agree with your CC view,if the OWGP CC turns up he can beat anyone but don't forget Fedor did out strike him on the stand up.

fedor was very smart in that fight,Be very aggressive so not to allow CC to set his feet,circle to the left and bull CC around the ring.

Fedor is a master tactitian.

Shpion · 06-18-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by boxingcar

crocop would've owned fedor under K1 rules..but this is mma and anything can happen...takedowns and subs are involved...slams , elbows , soccer kicks...

you can't compare it to kickboxing or boxing...

there's no ref to separate the fighters during the clinch...

Who was comparing it to kickboxong or boxing?

ufoalf · 06-18-2007, 04:59 PM

CC got dominated except few moments. He was at his best when he fought Fedor and he said it himself he had no excuses as to why he lost "unlike" his other loses. He will lose second time as well as he lost the first time.

Though i think there are always danger in MMA and all strikers will have a chance to get a hit in and finish him. I still say that Couture/Gonzaga might be able to take Fedor down and rain elbows on him and cut/finish him.

Smith · 06-18-2007, 05:06 PM

I personally think there are only 2 people that realistically would have a slight chance of beating him, a rematch with Cro-Cop(he's suited to his game) & Barnett. I think the barnett fight would go similar to the Nog fights. Despite the uncertainty in mma, i just don't think anyone could hit Fedor with a haymaker and take him out, he seems immune to them

achillesthegreat · 06-18-2007, 06:07 PM

There are threats.

Fedor can be hurt but the person needs to be able to finish him. Hard given his survival skills.

It would be interesting to see him v Liddell, Couture and GG.

Donut62 · 06-18-2007, 07:19 PM

Fedor would beat the fuck out of Sergei. Sergei struggled on the feet with Mike Russow at the last Pride. Until he pulls his head out of his ass and gets serious about training I don't think he'll be doing anything to Fedor but doing a Thai bag impersonation.

Josh Barnett is still my bet. He has the size, strength, and technique to give Fedor hell on the ground.

AJAX · 06-18-2007, 07:48 PM

Don't laugh but I think monson would be a tough match up for Fedor. His short powerfull arms would be hard to get into an armbar and Monson does have decent boxing.He's also a submission specialists so I think Fedor would have his hands full with him

06-18-2007, 03:08 PM	#1
Shpion IDF ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,455	Is there anyone that poses a threat to Fedor? After watching Fedor taking apart everybody he faces time and time again, I have a question. Is there anybody in Pride or UFC that poses a real threat to him?
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06-18-2007, 03:15 PM	#2
Dostoevsky Hardcore......to the max! East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Kingdom of Fife, Scotland. Posts: 7,825	Re: Is there anyone that poses a threat to Fedor? Sergei Kharitonov He has a good ground game,is a sambo practitioner and he is a very very good boxer,very hard hitter,pin point accuracy. Very athletic and good stamina. I personally thought he won his fight with Nogueira,he outstruck big nog in the stand up and was normally on top during the ground game. I'm not sure why he lost that fight,perhaps because nog had more takedowns? His fight with Overeem,was fair and square he just got beat. Now his fight with Aleksander......hmmm.......Sergei was dominating all aspects of the fight till ge got stopped,he had better accuracy was faster seemed the harder puncher,Aleksander was always backing away on the defensive. Sergei got caught with a great punch and then it was all over due to some vicious knees. Don't think the fight with aleksander is an indication of how a fight with fedor would go......Aleks is 6 inches taller than his brother, has a longer reach,is a harder puncher, Aleks is taller than sergei while fedor would be significantly shorter than sergei. I think fedor would have great trouble getting on the inside of Sergei due to sergei's great technical boxing skills,also fedor has never fought anyone in MMA who was a sambo fighter themselves. It would be an interesting fight. ===================================================== That is a post i made on sherdog a few hours ago. Theres a thread about this over there: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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06-18-2007, 03:19 PM	#3
boxingcar Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,000	Re: Is there anyone that poses a threat to Fedor? EVERYONE...in this sport , everyone does when you think about it. And fedor's major weakness are cuts too... He should've lost his latest fight vs Lindland...That one shoulda been a huge upset too but it didn't happened because Fedor finished that guy in about 2 or 3 minutes... But Fed was bleeding a lot in that fight...The ref could've stopped it at anytime.
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06-18-2007, 03:31 PM	#4
jimmie Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Baltimore,Maryland Posts: 8,937	Re: Is there anyone that poses a threat to Fedor? Randy Couture actually. Boxingcar pointed out Fedors weakness is cuts and hes right. Randy can get a takedown no doubt in my mind and all he needs is 3-4 short elbows and he can win on cuts.
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06-18-2007, 03:57 PM	#8
boxingcar Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,000	Re: Is there anyone that poses a threat to Fedor? crocop would've owned fedor under K1 rules..but this is mma and anything can happen...takedowns and subs are involved...slams , elbows , soccer kicks... you can't compare it to kickboxing or boxing... there's no ref to separate the fighters during the clinch...
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06-18-2007, 04:59 PM	#11
ufoalf Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 4,384	Re: Is there anyone that poses a threat to Fedor? CC got dominated except few moments. He was at his best when he fought Fedor and he said it himself he had no excuses as to why he lost "unlike" his other loses. He will lose second time as well as he lost the first time. Though i think there are always danger in MMA and all strikers will have a chance to get a hit in and finish him. I still say that Couture/Gonzaga might be able to take Fedor down and rain elbows on him and cut/finish him.
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06-18-2007, 05:06 PM	#12
Smith Monzon-like East Side Guru Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edinburgh. Posts: 7,515	Re: Is there anyone that poses a threat to Fedor? I personally think there are only 2 people that realistically would have a slight chance of beating him, a rematch with Cro-Cop(he's suited to his game) & Barnett. I think the barnett fight would go similar to the Nog fights. Despite the uncertainty in mma, i just don't think anyone could hit Fedor with a haymaker and take him out, he seems immune to them
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06-18-2007, 06:07 PM	#13
achillesthegreat Hayemaker East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,808	Re: Is there anyone that poses a threat to Fedor? There are threats. Fedor can be hurt but the person needs to be able to finish him. Hard given his survival skills. It would be interesting to see him v Liddell, Couture and GG.
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06-18-2007, 07:19 PM	#14
Donut62 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 731	Re: Is there anyone that poses a threat to Fedor? Fedor would beat the fuck out of Sergei. Sergei struggled on the feet with Mike Russow at the last Pride. Until he pulls his head out of his ass and gets serious about training I don't think he'll be doing anything to Fedor but doing a Thai bag impersonation. Josh Barnett is still my bet. He has the size, strength, and technique to give Fedor hell on the ground.
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06-18-2007, 07:48 PM	#15
AJAX Zuffa Zombie ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Great White North Posts: 2,866	Re: Is there anyone that poses a threat to Fedor? Don't laugh but I think monson would be a tough match up for Fedor. His short powerfull arms would be hard to get into an armbar and Monson does have decent boxing.He's also a submission specialists so I think Fedor would have his hands full with him
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