Valdemar Santana--Forgotten MMA Great

cross_trainer · 06-17-2007, 12:33 PM

Valdemar Santana (sometimes referred to as Adema Santa) was a [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] fighter, who trained in [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] under [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and also in [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. He is famous for defeating his former master [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] in 1955, in a record-breaking 3 hours, 45 minutes long match. Valdemar had fought for the Gracie academy for many years but had a falling out with [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. Gracie and Santana decided to settle their differences on a [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (no holds barred) match. After nearly 4 hours of combat, Santana struck Gracie with a kick to the head. Gracie passed out from the blow and Santana was awarded victory by [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. After defeating Hélio, Santana was challenged by [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], Hélio's nephew. Carlson and Santana had four fights, with Carlson winning 2 and the other 2 being declared a draw.

E N T E R S A N T A N A
In what is considered the longest jiujitsu match in history, Helio Gracie battled former student Valdemar Santana, a powerfully built stone cutter. Waldemar was a student of the family for twelve or thirteen years. He fought more than 20 times for the Gracie academy. He had a falling out with Helio Gracie, and they decided to settle their differences by fighting each other Vale-Tudo. According to Rorion Gracie, Helio's son, Santana had betrayed his teacher, Helio and denigrated Helio publicly in a newspaper.
On May 24, 1957 at the Brazilian headquarters of the YMCA in central Rio de Janeiro, the media and the new medium of television were present to capture Helio's fight with his student Waldemar Santana. Waldemar stayed away from Helio when the match started.
Eventually, Helio took Waldemar to the ground and ended up putting Santana in his guard. Helio took his time and occasionally unleash a barrage of strikes at Waldemar's head hoping for Waldemar to make a mistake. One photograph shows Helio driving his elbow at Waldemar's head from the guard. Santana played the waiting game and also threw his own punches.

As Santana sensed Helio was becoming exhausted, Santana then took the fight to Helio. He maneuvered his massive frame on top of Helio forcing Helio to bear Santana's weight. Santana also started headbutting Helio in the cheek which forced Helio's eye to swell shut. Helio used heel kicks to Santana's kidneys to wear Santana down. Two hours had gone by as the two men struggled on the ground.

Three hours and forty-five minutes into the fight, the two men separated and were kneeling; both gasping for air. Santana reached his feet and kicked at helio's head which connected. Helio went down from the blow and the fight was finally over.[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Helio had lasted 3 hours and 45 minutes before losing the contest. This vale tudo match was to be his last fight.

Kimura vs. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Kimura went to Brazil again in 1959 to conduct his last Professional Judo/Wrestling tour. He was challenged by [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] to a "real" (not choreographed) submission match. Santana was champion in Gracie Jiujitsu, Capoeira, and boxing. He was 27 years old, 6 feet tall, and weighed 205 lb. In 1958, Santana knocked out [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] in a fight lasting 3 hours 45 minutes. Kimura threw Santana with [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. He then applied his famous [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (keylock), winning the match.
Santana requested a rematch under [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] rules--the first fight was apparently grappling only--and this time, the result was a draw after 40 minutes in a bout in which both competitors reportedly drew blood.

E N T E R C A R L S O N G R A C I E

With Valdemar Santana's victory over Helio Gracie, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], the son of Carlos Gracie entered the ring at the young age of 17 to defend the honor of his family and the family name. He took revenge for his family clan and defeated Valdemar, which won him the respect and title of "King." Carlson was to meet Santana in the ring six times. He won four times, and two matches were draws.

SOURCES: Wikipedia and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Robot16 · 02-02-2009, 12:57 AM

bump

chimba · 02-02-2009, 01:05 AM

I think if youre looking for an even greater bad ass. Its Kimura, I mean they named a freaking hold after him

MaliSlamusrex · 02-02-2009, 06:56 AM

legend

Bill Butcher · 02-03-2009, 05:18 PM

Kimura v Rickson might be worth seeing if it were possible.
There is a good chance that Rickson was the greatest of all the Gracie clan, Helio & Carlson included.

chimba · 02-03-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Butcher

Kimura v Rickson might be worth seeing if it were possible.
There is a good chance that Rickson was the greatest of all the Gracie clan, Helio & Carlson included.

I have a friend brown belt who studied under Jeff Joslin here in Ontario, the gym was originally spawned from Rolls Gracie, they cannot stop talking about this guy being better than Rickson.

sugarngold · 02-03-2009, 08:05 PM

Rolls was a total bad ass and a real innovator of BJJ as well.

This is a great thread. This is the guy that is is responsible for starting the style that would eventually bring us Pele, Wanderlai Silva, Anderson Silva, Shogun Rua, etc. . .

02-03-2009, 08:58 PM

santana was THE 1st recorded mmaIST in my opinion.
He was mixing kick boxing jitsu

Scorpion · 02-03-2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chimba

I think if youre looking for an even greater bad ass. Its Kimura, I mean they named a freaking hold after him

He kicked the legendary Gracie ass.

amhlilhaus · 02-03-2009, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scorpion

He kicked the legendary Gracie ass.

broke his arm too.

Scorpion · 02-03-2009, 09:49 PM

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chimba · 02-03-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorpion

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Good read, he is one of Jigoro Kanos proteges sent to spread Judo. But this fuckin guy is ripped for an old timer wow.

06-17-2007, 12:33 PM	#1
cross_trainer Bergeron Avatar Club ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,280	Valdemar Santana--Forgotten MMA Great Valdemar Santana (sometimes referred to as Adema Santa) was a [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] fighter, who trained in [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] under [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and also in [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. He is famous for defeating his former master [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] in 1955, in a record-breaking 3 hours, 45 minutes long match. Valdemar had fought for the Gracie academy for many years but had a falling out with [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. Gracie and Santana decided to settle their differences on a [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (no holds barred) match. After nearly 4 hours of combat, Santana struck Gracie with a kick to the head. Gracie passed out from the blow and Santana was awarded victory by [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. After defeating Hélio, Santana was challenged by [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], Hélio's nephew. Carlson and Santana had four fights, with Carlson winning 2 and the other 2 being declared a draw. E N T E R S A N T A N A In what is considered the longest jiujitsu match in history, Helio Gracie battled former student Valdemar Santana, a powerfully built stone cutter. Waldemar was a student of the family for twelve or thirteen years. He fought more than 20 times for the Gracie academy. He had a falling out with Helio Gracie, and they decided to settle their differences by fighting each other Vale-Tudo. According to Rorion Gracie, Helio's son, Santana had betrayed his teacher, Helio and denigrated Helio publicly in a newspaper. On May 24, 1957 at the Brazilian headquarters of the YMCA in central Rio de Janeiro, the media and the new medium of television were present to capture Helio's fight with his student Waldemar Santana. Waldemar stayed away from Helio when the match started. Eventually, Helio took Waldemar to the ground and ended up putting Santana in his guard. Helio took his time and occasionally unleash a barrage of strikes at Waldemar's head hoping for Waldemar to make a mistake. One photograph shows Helio driving his elbow at Waldemar's head from the guard. Santana played the waiting game and also threw his own punches. As Santana sensed Helio was becoming exhausted, Santana then took the fight to Helio. He maneuvered his massive frame on top of Helio forcing Helio to bear Santana's weight. Santana also started headbutting Helio in the cheek which forced Helio's eye to swell shut. Helio used heel kicks to Santana's kidneys to wear Santana down. Two hours had gone by as the two men struggled on the ground. Three hours and forty-five minutes into the fight, the two men separated and were kneeling; both gasping for air. Santana reached his feet and kicked at helio's head which connected. Helio went down from the blow and the fight was finally over.[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Helio had lasted 3 hours and 45 minutes before losing the contest. This vale tudo match was to be his last fight. Kimura vs. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Kimura went to Brazil again in 1959 to conduct his last Professional Judo/Wrestling tour. He was challenged by [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] to a "real" (not choreographed) submission match. Santana was champion in Gracie Jiujitsu, Capoeira, and boxing. He was 27 years old, 6 feet tall, and weighed 205 lb. In 1958, Santana knocked out [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] in a fight lasting 3 hours 45 minutes. Kimura threw Santana with [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. He then applied his famous [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (keylock), winning the match. Santana requested a rematch under [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] rules--the first fight was apparently grappling only--and this time, the result was a draw after 40 minutes in a bout in which both competitors reportedly drew blood. E N T E R C A R L S O N G R A C I E With Valdemar Santana's victory over Helio Gracie, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], the son of Carlos Gracie entered the ring at the young age of 17 to defend the honor of his family and the family name. He took revenge for his family clan and defeated Valdemar, which won him the respect and title of "King." Carlson was to meet Santana in the ring six times. He won four times, and two matches were draws. SOURCES: Wikipedia and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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02-02-2009, 12:57 AM	#2
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sugarngold SUGAR IS CHAMP! ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mutantville, North Carolina Posts: 3,979	Re: Valdemar Santana--Forgotten MMA Great Rolls was a total bad ass and a real innovator of BJJ as well. This is a great thread. This is the guy that is is responsible for starting the style that would eventually bring us Pele, Wanderlai Silva, Anderson Silva, Shogun Rua, etc. . .
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