Classic Fights--Kimura vs. Gracie

[cross_trainer]

In [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], Kimura, at 38 years old, participated in a match in which he defeated [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] of the famous [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] family in a submission judo match held in [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. During the fight, Kimura threw Gracie repeatedly with [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (one arm shoulder throw), osotogari (major outer sweep), and haraigoshi (sweeping hip throw). Kimura reportedly threw Gracie repeatedly in an effort to knock him unconscious. However, the floor of the fighting area was apparently too soft to allow this to happen. Kimura also inflicted painful, suffocating grappling techniques on Gracie such as [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (modified upper four corner hold), [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (scarf hold), and sankaku-gatame ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]).








Finally, thirteen minutes into the bout, Kimura positioned himself to apply a [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (arm entanglement, a [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]). Gracie refused to submit, even after his arm broke, forcing Kimura to continue the lock on Gracie's broken arm. At this point, Carlos Gracie, Helio's older brother, threw in the towel to end the match to protect his brother's health. In [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], Helio admitted in an interview that he had in fact been choked [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] earlier in the match, but had revived and continued fighting.
As a tribute to Kimura's victory, the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] technique has since been commonly referred to as the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], or simply the Kimura, in [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and, more recently, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] circles.

[oblate]

good stuff.

[cross_trainer]

Originally Posted by oblate

good stuff.

Thanks.

[LocoRoco]

Major Bump, but that is some interesting shit, love it

[ryanty22]

Awesome. showed those overrated gracies a thing or two in that match

jjj > bjj

[Beebs]

Originally Posted by OuterDrake

jjj > bjj

And you are judging that on a Judo vs BJJ match? There really is no such thing as JJJ anymore.

[MattMattMatt]

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[Stoo]

Originally Posted by Beebs

And you are judging that on a Judo vs BJJ match? There really is no such thing as JJJ anymore.

I think our Asian friends might disagree. I mean BJJ is more popular these days, but sayin theres no such thing as JJJ anymore is a bit like saying theres no such things as french fries anymore because they serve them in America aswell

[codeman99998]

Originally Posted by Stoo

I think our Asian friends might disagree. I mean BJJ is more popular these days, but sayin theres no such thing as JJJ anymore is a bit like saying theres no such things as french fries anymore because they serve them in America aswell

French fries aren't even actually French anyways. That's just a name Americans gave to them.

Japanese Jujitsu is something the Samurai used to do like, over 100 years ago. BJJ is actually based on Japanese Judo. JJJ is designed for battlefield combat with swords... it's really violent and there is no combat philosophy behind it, it's just a series of different techniques.

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by codeman99998

French fries aren't even actually French anyways. That's just a name Americans gave to them.

Japanese Jujitsu is something the Samurai used to do like, over 100 years ago. BJJ is actually based on Japanese Judo. JJJ is designed for battlefield combat with swords... it's really violent and there is no combat philosophy behind it, it's just a series of different techniques.

Um your wrong on the fries point, they just call em fries there cause they are actually in France
Correct on your other points though cant believe Im actually arguing about fries, we all know they are called chips really anyway

[ryanty22]

Originally Posted by Stoo

Um your wrong on the fries point, they just call em fries there cause they are actually in France
Correct on your other points though cant believe Im actually arguing about fries, we all know they are called chips really anyway

your both wrong they arent called chips, or called french fries. they are freedom fries damnit get it right.

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by ryanty22

your both wrong they arent called chips, or called french fries. they are freedom fries damnit get it right.

I stand corrected hehe

[Beebs]

Originally Posted by Stoo

I think our Asian friends might disagree. I mean BJJ is more popular these days, but sayin theres no such thing as JJJ anymore is a bit like saying theres no such things as french fries anymore because they serve them in America aswell

JJJ is not the same as doing BJJ in Japan. There are obviously excellent grapplers of all types in Japan. I wouldn't call them any better than Brazils, but thats not the point.

I don't think you get the history of all this. JuJutsu was a name for a variety of systems of fighting. Kano developed Judo from this around 1880. Eventually Maeda taught the Gracies Judo, the Gracies tweaked it and called it BJJ. They chose BJJ as the name because of poor relations with the Kodokan, which ran Judo.

So yes, there are a few schools in the world claiming to be Japenese JuJutsu, but they are absolutely worthless unless you happen to live in fuedal Japan. JJJ hasn't produced anything useful to the world since Judo.

I mean really, tell me the best JJJ practioner alive today. Tell me any JJJ practioner alive today. Put them in with the best Japanese BJJ guy, probably Aoki or Kitaoka.

There are however some amazing Jiu Jitsu guys in Japan; the issue is that they are doing Brazillian Jiu Jitsu.

[MattMattMatt]

If you ask any Frenchman he would tell you that chips/fries are considered to be of Belgian origin. Though there is debate as to whether they were originally Spanish.